Analysis: Offhanded remark indicates his different approach to race.

WASHINGTON - It popped out casually, a throwaway line as he talked to reporters about finding the right puppy for his young daughters.

But with just three offhanded words in his first news conference as president-elect, Barack Obama reminded everyone how thoroughly different his administration "” and inevitably, this country "” will be.

"Mutts like me."

By now, almost everyone knows that Obama's mother was white and father was black, putting him on track to become the nation's first African-American president. But there was something startling, and telling, about hearing his self-description "” particularly in how offhandedly he used it.

The message seemed clear "” here is a president who will be quite at ease discussing race, a complex issue as unresolved as it is uncomfortable for many to talk about openly. And at a time when whites in the country are not many years from becoming the minority.

Obama made the remark as he revealed his thinking in what is becoming one of the highest-profile issues of this transition period: What kind of puppy will he and his wife, Michelle, get for their daughters as they move into the White House.

Because Malia, 10, has allergies, the family wants a low-allergy dog. But Obama said they also want to adopt a puppy from an animal shelter, which could make it harder to find a breed that wouldn't aggravate his daughter's problem.

"Obviously, a lot of shelter dogs are mutts like me," Obama said with a smile. "So whether we're going to be able to balance those two things, I think, is a pressing issue on the Obama household."

Defining part of Obama's life.

In his first postelection news conference, the man who will be president in just over two months described himself as a mutt as casually as he may have poked fun at his jump shot.

If he thought nothing of such a remark in his first news conference, doesn't that signal that over the next four years, the country is likely to hear more about race from the White House "” and from the perspective of a black man "” than it ever has before?

It's not necessarily that he will make a crusade about the issue once he takes office. There was little sign of that in his election campaign, in which he ran on issues like the economy with a broad appeal to all Americans.

But it does underscore that the president-elect clearly does not see race as a subject best sidestepped or discussed in hushed tones. To Obama, race in all its complications has long been a defining part of his life, and he is comfortable talking about it.

The timing seems fortuitous. Obama will be sworn in as the country is rapidly becoming more racially diverse. The latest government projections indicate that by 2042, white people will make up less than half the nation's population.

Blacks have been elected to local and statewide office in growing numbers in recent years, a sign that the country is becoming more tolerant. Obama lost the white vote to Republican John McCain by 12 percentage points, according to exit polls of voters "” a better showing than Democrat John Kerry's 17-point deficit with whites four years ago.

Still, a conversation about race over the next four years that is more open and explicit than the country has ever heard from its president can't be bad, can it?

Message discipline "” usually.

Obama's comment was all the more noteworthy coming from a man who just ended a presidential campaign in which he stayed relentlessly on-message and made few comments that could be hurled against him. This is a man who can limit himself to saying exactly what he wants to say "” usually.

One remark that did haunt him came during his long-running primary campaign against Hillary Rodham Clinton. Speaking at a private fundraiser in San Francisco, Obama said some residents of depressed rural areas get bitter and "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them."

Eager to avoid slips like that in the campaign's closing days, Obama usually avoided reporters and seldom departed from prepared remarks.

At his news conference Friday, Obama seemed less guarded. But that led to another eyebrow-raising moment.

Obama told reporters that he has turned for advice to all "living" former presidents. But he then joked, "I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about, you know, doing any seances."

The former first lady actually has not been linked to conversations with the dead. President Reagan's former chief of staff, Donald Regan, did write that she set her husband's schedule with the help of an astrologist.

Obama called Mrs. Reagan late Friday to apologize.

Ironically, Obama's remarks came just a day after Italy's Premier Silvio Berlusconi, in an apparent joke, described Obama as "young, handsome and even tanned." Critics called the comment racist, while Berlusconi defended it as a compliment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27606637
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
You're slipping, cholly. I waited 3 whole days for you to post something about the "mutt" comment.

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3 days? Obama said it yesterday. I never heard of that term before. Multi-racial or mutt. Take your pick. I don't like it at all. Comparing mixed race to a dog's lineage? That foul.

Obams needs to realize that whatever he says regarding race is front page debatable news and African Americans don't need any more labels whether some Afreican Americans or any other minorities use the term multi-racial or not.

Obama should have kept that to himself.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
i'm not sure how i feel about him saying this...

seems weird, but it is, afterall, his reality

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Obama needs to realize that this is solely not his reality.

He's acting like he's the only mixed raced person in America and he needs to realize that the "mutt" comment can stick to African Americans and other minorities. Hell. he just needs to look at his kids. Are are not considered multi racial but considered Black but if someone called Sasha or Malia a mutt (meaning no harm) I don't think that Michelle would be to happy about it.
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
I can see it all now:

Presidential daughters refer to flatulation as "farting".....a shining example of Barack's and Michelle's failed and miserable parenting. They will undoubtedly lead a life of premarital sex and drug abuse.
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I got a feeling that Sasha and Malia will be on permanent lock down just like Chelsey Clinton.


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Originally posted by Cholly:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
You're slipping, cholly. I waited 3 whole days for you to post something about the "mutt" comment.


3 days? Obama said it yesterday.

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I never heard of that term before. Multi-racial or mutt. Take your pick. I don't like it at all. Comparing mixed race to a dog's lineage? That foul.


Man, damn, why are people making such a big deal out of this?!?!?! There's nothing foul about it. People, especially white people, call themselves "mutts" all the time when they're of mixed ethnicity. Just last week, a coworker described himself that way. I live in a very ethnically diverse region, and people who are, for example, German, Irish, Polish & Italian use that term a lot. Obama's been in Chicago for years. That term is undoubtedly common there as well.

I was wondering why Yahoo & CNN have had that headline on their front pages non-stop since yesterday.
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by Cholly:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
You're slipping, cholly. I waited 3 whole days for you to post something about the "mutt" comment.


3 days? Obama said it yesterday.

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I never heard of that term before. Multi-racial or mutt. Take your pick. I don't like it at all. Comparing mixed race to a dog's lineage? That foul.


Man, damn, why are people making such a big deal out of this?!?!?! There's nothing foul about it. White people call themselves "mutts" all the time when they're of mixed ethnicity. Just last week, a coworker described himself that way. I live in a very ethnically diverse region, and people who are, for example, German, Irish, Polish & Italian use that term a lot. Obama's been in Chicago for years. That term is undoubtedly common there as well.

I was wondering why Yahoo & CNN have had that headline on their front pages non-stop since yesterday.

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Nigger, Negro, Colored, Black, African American, (Shine, Buckwheat, Mud People, Negra, Coon, Tar Baby etc... Mutt..........see the pattern and the problem?

Besides, who gives a flying fuck what Whites call themselves. Vox, wake up and quit accepting labels even if it came from a mixed race Black man.
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Originally posted by Cholly:

Nigger, Negro, Colored, Black, African American, (Shine, Buckwheat, Mud People, Negra, Coon, Tar Baby etc... Mutt..........see the pattern and the problem?

Besides, who gives a flying fuck what Whites call themselves. Vox, wake up and quit accepting labels even if it came from a mixed race Black man.
Cholly, it's his experience, as NS said. He understands better how to navigate it than most of us do. The "pattern" you cite is nonexistent. You posted racist insults about black people, and mixed in some valid terms for black people. Where's the pattern there? With all respect to you, I just don't see the similarity between "African-American" and "nigger", or "black" and "tar baby." And I don't see how any of them relate to his comment about being a mutt. I've never heard of a person of mixed ethnicity being offended at the reference. I'm curious, though, if there's a reaction like this on mixed-race message boards.
for two years the media has been calling him a black man, and black people really identify with him, and voted for him like no other candidate in the past. So in regards to obama, we've been seeing first BLACK this, and BLACK that and BLACK the other splashed across the headlines, above pictures of Blacks in Kenya, Atlanta, Chicago, Haiti, and the caribbean celebrating...

meanwhile he publicly calls himself a mutt..


i'm sure it's affectionate family talk amongst the obamas, but it just falls strangely on the ears, after hearing him branded as an angry leftist, radical fringe, revenge seeking blackest of black black men for 21 months...

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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by Cholly:

Nigger, Negro, Colored, Black, African American, (Shine, Buckwheat, Mud People, Negra, Coon, Tar Baby etc... Mutt..........see the pattern and the problem?

Besides, who gives a flying fuck what Whites call themselves. Vox, wake up and quit accepting labels even if it came from a mixed race Black man.
Cholly, it's his experience, as NS said. He understands better how to navigate it than most of us do. The "pattern" you cite is nonexistent. You posted racist insults about black people, and mixed in some valid terms for black people. Where's the pattern there? With all respect to you, I just don't see the similarity between "African-American" and "nigger", or "black" and "tar baby." And I don't see how any of them relate to his comment about being a mutt. I've never heard of a person of mixed ethnicity being offended at the reference. I'm curious, though, if there's a reaction like this on mixed-race message boards.

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Big picture Vox:

This is not about being able to navigate around terms, it about eliminating the use of them and not accepting them just because someone says so.

Barack is not the only mixed race African American. He used his story to get elected. It worked. Now it's time to put it away and let it go.

There are millions of mixed raced Africans Americans who don't feel comfortable navigating around terms such as "mutt" or anything else that may be used. This is not about Obama. It is about all Black people in this country. If Obama wants to refer to himself as a mutt, fine but let Obama keep that comforting terminology and so-called race diffuser to himself because as President being Black, everything and anyting he says will be under a microscope, scrutinized and refered back to Black people. Not Hispanic, not Asian, not Indian, not White people, but Black people.

I can hear it now, "If it's OK for President Obama to say that (mutt) about himself as a Black person, why are you offended by it? You shoudn't be.

Black children being called a mutt at school and when they get home, mom and dad having to explain it.

Just some more dumb ass bullshit that needs to stop.

If you want to eliminate labels, quit creating them.

Quote: I just don't see the similarity between "African-American" and "nigger", or "black" and "tar baby."

Vooooooooooooooooooooox..come on bruh!

Quote: "People, especially white people, call themselves "mutts" all the time"

Good for them. Don't extend the invitation.


Vox, read a history book once in a while and brush up on your Black history. bang
Okay, this story is crazy on so many different levels I don't even know where to start!! Eek

First of all ... I haven't been following the news and this is the first I've heard of it, but from what I'm hearing, the comment was indeed an "off-handed remark" and I can't believe that there's a big deal being made out of it!! I figured it was going to happen, but this micro-dissection of every little syllable coming out of his mouth is going to more than ridiculous. Obviously. Roll Eyes

Secondly ... after reading this article, I came to the conclusion that this writer must be on some kind of hallucinogenics to take Obama's statement and conclude that "here is a president who will be quite at ease discussing race, a complex issue as unresolved as it is uncomfortable for many to talk about openly." Or better yet that "over the next four years, the country is likely to hear more about race from the White House". And if that wasn't good enough (and it wasn't because then he added this little gem) "But it does underscore that the president-elect clearly does not see race as a subject best sidestepped or discussed in hushed tones. To Obama, race in all its complications has long been a defining part of his life, and he is comfortable talking about it. "

Has thing guy been livin' in a cave for the last 22 months?? Confused I looked for a picture of him but couldn't find one. I'm praying he's Caucasian. At least that would give him some kind of an excuse.

Obviously, Mr. Fram doesn't realize that we are talking about "Mr. Post-racial" here. And while Barack has never tried to hide or disavow his total heritage, he, himself, has pretty much tried to avoid the *race* issue at all costs!! He has repeatedly stated that he is, and prefers to be referred to as an American, first and foremost. And I have yet to hear him refer to himself as an African American candidate, nominee or president.

Not that I'm mad at him for it! He's being real about how he feels about it and for that he has my uncompromising respect. But, the "First Black" title is mostly media-driven (except, of course, for it being spoken in hushed tones throughout our community). Once people stopped being crucified for using the "B" word in regards to him (and, yes, there are more than a few bodies buried because of it!), the media took it and ran with it and now it's hard to find a conversation where that title does not precede his name! Eek

But, the bottom line is, everybody but Obama is (and always has been) talking about his race. And only the media seems to be addressing the issue in societal terms. The "mutt" comment was meant to be humor .. and I'm not seeing how Mr. Fram comes to the conclusion that it somehow translates into an open-door policy that the President-Elect plans to walk through once he takes office.

And lastly .. the man is a *mutt*!! Smile And for the life of me, I can't figure out why the truth is only acceptable if it's something we want to hear. Honesty should be respected and accepted for what it is. Sometimes it hurts ... but it's always better than the alternative.
fro From where I sit, I heard blackfolks refer to themselves as MUTTS all the time. And these are scholarly folks at that. We are ALL infused with diverse cultures: European, Asian, Amerindians and African. I don't understand when somethin' that it say among ourselves often gets twisted as a racial slur when it's said in PUBLIC! OMG! Frankly, if you're going to insult me, I refer Mutt than the 'N' word. Mutt in my view is closer to the truth. I guess IF we were all called victims of almaglmation[sp]...that would be a problem too. And for MANY of us[more than not] it's the TRUTH. Here we go nic pickin' again.... there are MORE important issues to addressRoll Eyes It's that crab in the barrell syndrome in its shinning/finest glory! Can't we just enjoy this? Why must WE [of all people] dismantle his every utterance? His every misstep? He didn't get us in this MESS! Geezzzzzz!Roll Eyes Ooooops I'm sorry. I forgot I'm surrounded by all these PERFECT [holier than thou] blackfolks....who have the RIGHT to critize cuz they walk on water. My bad! Roll Eyes I thought we were all human! Guess not. fro
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Has thing guy been livin' in a cave for the last 22 months??


In a cave with a blindfold and ear plugs. lol

If Obama was so "at ease" with talking about "race in all its complications" then Colin Powell would have had one less point to make on Meet The Press. Obama really could have been presidential and showed some leadership by putting some meat to his "no Black America, no White America, etc." rhetoric by doing Race Speech 2 dealing with the slur against Arabs/Muslims. Seems to me the same kind of race issues were present then as they were when Obama decided to give his race speech.

The author of the article here obviously wasn't aware of this information:

Aides: We Didn't Obsess About Obama's Race
One Of His Top Aides Tells 60 Minutes "Zero" Meetings Were About Obama's Race
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/07/60minutes/main4584507.shtml
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Meanwhile, in local news...


A sister on NBC 13 news continuously refers to President Elect Barack Obama as "Mr. Obama" yet refers to Joe Biden as "Vice President elect Biden." This chick needs her ass whooped.
Before you let sensitivities get the best of you, listen carefully next time you hear her for the following. It's customary in the news to refer to "President" or "Vice-President-Elect So & so" the FIRST time they're mentioned in a piece, and then "Mr. So-and-so" thereafter. If she had already mentioned "President-Elect Obama" in the first sentence, then the next sentence would normally go, "Mr. Obama and Vice-President-Elect Biden," if that's the first reference to Biden.
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by Cholly:

Nigger, Negro, Colored, Black, African American, (Shine, Buckwheat, Mud People, Negra, Coon, Tar Baby etc... Mutt..........see the pattern and the problem?

Besides, who gives a flying fuck what Whites call themselves. Vox, wake up and quit accepting labels even if it came from a mixed race Black man.
Cholly, it's his experience, as NS said. He understands better how to navigate it than most of us do. The "pattern" you cite is nonexistent. You posted racist insults about black people, and mixed in some valid terms for black people. Where's the pattern there? With all respect to you, I just don't see the similarity between "African-American" and "nigger", or "black" and "tar baby." And I don't see how any of them relate to his comment about being a mutt. I've never heard of a person of mixed ethnicity being offended at the reference. I'm curious, though, if there's a reaction like this on mixed-race message boards.

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Big picture Vox:

This is not about being able to navigate around terms, it about eliminating the use of them and not accepting them just because someone says so.
Not if there's nothing wrong with the term. Are you sure you're not confusing this usage with "mongrel"? You act like he said mongrel.
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Barack is not the only mixed race African American. He used his story to get elected. It worked. Now it's time to put it away and let it go.
Now it sounds like you're suggesting that ANY reference to the fact that he's mixed is off-limits. When you do that, you're basically saying that there's something wrong with it. I think I posted once about this mindset, maybe in the "Pet Peeves" thread, where a supervisor asked me to hand something to one of two new hires who were next to each other. I'm like, "Which one's Dan?" She goes, "That one." Which one? "The -- uhhh.... the one in the blue!" The one in the blue PANTS? Or the one in the blue SHIRT?

If it's all that, just say "the BLACK one." It's okay. To me, "moving past race," if that's a goal, means moving past the DISCOMFORT about race. It doesn't mean acting like it doesn't exist. It means being happy with the fact that it does exist.

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...everything and anyting he says will be under a microscope, scrutinized and refered back to Black people.

I can hear it now, "If it's OK for President Obama to say that (mutt) about himself as a Black person, why are you offended by it? You shoudn't be.
Well, maybe you shouldn't be. Not too many people are.

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Quote: I just don't see the similarity between "African-American" and "nigger", or "black" and "tar baby."


Vooooooooooooooooooooox..come on bruh!
Let's see. "African-American" is the term to denote our ethnicity. "Nigger" and "tar-baby' are derogatory terms used to attack our race. I see a difference there. Are you suggesting we stop calling ourselves anything?

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Vox, read a history book once in a while and brush up on your Black history. bang
See, this is why I sometimes wonder why I bother with message boards. You should never take a difference of opinion for a deficiency in knowledge level. Especially not when I'm the one you're disagreeing with.
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Meanwhile, in local news...


A sister on NBC 13 news continuously refers to President Elect Barack Obama as "Mr. Obama" yet refers to Joe Biden as "Vice President elect Biden." This chick needs her ass whooped.
Before you let sensitivities get the best of you, listen carefully next time you hear her for the following. It's customary in the news to refer to "President" or "Vice-President-Elect So & so" the FIRST time they're mentioned in a piece, and then "Mr. So-and-so" thereafter. If she had already mentioned "President-Elect Obama" in the first sentence, then the next sentence would normally go, "Mr. Obama and Vice-President-Elect Biden," if that's the first reference to Biden.



Nah, I'm not sensitive at all. The man won and silenced every asshole from sea to shining sea. The point is, she never referred to him as "President Elect Obama." The heffa referred to Barack from the beginning of her little newscast to the end saying "Mr. Obama".

But here's what was really fucked up was this cracker:



Pam Huff of 33/40 news repeatedly shook her head as her co-anchor first announced Obama's victory Wednesday morning.
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Originally posted by Cholly:
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
You're slipping, cholly. I waited 3 whole days for you to post something about the "mutt" comment.

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3 days? Obama said it yesterday. I never heard of that term before. Multi-racial or mutt. Take your pick. I don't like it at all. Comparing mixed race to a dog's lineage? That foul.

Obams needs to realize that whatever he says regarding race is front page debatable news and African Americans don't need any more labels whether some Afreican Americans or any other minorities use the term multi-racial or not.

Obama should have kept that to himself.



Yesterday!?!?! Don't nobody that considers him or herself on the cutting edge of news reporting brag about posting old ass news!!!!! Like I said, you're SLIPPING. Obama made that comment two weeks ago. I should know because I just got a letter from Social Security. They said I'm going to collect my first check tomorrow. If you had waited any longer people would've been reading my damn obituary!!!!
Okay ... Obama made the mutt comment in reference to the dog he planned to get for his daughters. He made the comment on friday during his press conference.

But that said, I think this is a precursor to Obama's doing something directly related to race[but non-racial, i.e., announcing an "Urban Marshall Plan" involving urban investment in business zones, schools and community groups.

Who said Obama wasn't Black enough. His comment clearly indicated that he knows from where he comes. This is gonna be good. Smile
~DAMN!!! How low will ya'll go?!!! You'll excuse of him of ANYTHING. Roll Eyes So, he's going to just use all of these "colorful terms" during his administration and thusly make them "all right" to use? Or just for him to use? If someone ELSE said it from behind a microphone in front of the nation, would they have your pardon as well? Hell no! So why they hell does he get pardoned? A lot of us use "nigga" when referring to ourselves and don't mean any harm either...and this never ceases to stir up controversy in the black community.

Now he, basically, condones the use of self-debasing "affectionate" terms, so there goes the "We've got to STOP using the N-word on each other!" argument right out the window. There is NO difference between mutt and halfbreed and nigger and any of the rest of it. They are ALL labels applied to our ancestors and handed down through the generations by the oppressors AND the oppressed. NONE of the names are "fine" to use and have a DEFINITE NEGATIVE affect on young impressionable minds. The president has NO BUSINESS giving that crap any validity in front of the world. What HE may meant by it, and how it is PERCEIVED are two different things. Now when somebody comes behind him and uses it on him or our kids, what can he say?

Unbelievable. Two years of "don't mention or imply in any way that he's black, or you're a racist who has set out to ruin his chances of becoming POTUS". Now that he's made it, his "white half" starts repeating the racist crap that he probably heard his "typical racist" grandmother (may she rest in peace) spew. Not cool, no matter HOW you try to twist it. Roll Eyes~
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Originally posted by OhBlackButterfly:
NO difference between mutt and halfbreed


I begrudgingly(considering the source) must agree with this... Hence, I don't like when anyone uses the term, and am highly uncomfotabe when someone uses it to describe themselves, even in jest...

IMO, as long as he knows how to pronounce the word 'nuclear'... I have little of an issue with him. My ONLY (admittedly low) expectations for the next president, after watching/listenning to Bush's dub ass for the last 8 years, were that of literacy and some sembance of eloquence. Obama obviously qualifies! Razz
Obama's mother was white and father was black, putting him on track to become the nation's first African-American president.---article

What an interesting series of response, including the author of the article.

President-elect's mother was Irish-American.

His father was Kenyan.

The author assumed the 'mutt' reference was to the color of his parents...,and therefore solely about race.

Everyone responded to the 'red meat', and took off at a 'dead run'.

In a society constructed on 'color', it should be no surprise that those raised in that society should interpret this kind of comment...by, or about, a person of such lineage as a refer solely to 'color'.

When the same comment is made by a person of say.....Irish-American and...Icelandic lineage, it is presumed to be about ancestral nationality. This clearly cannot be about ethnicity.

When I first heard the comment by President-elect Obama I thought...'Here we go!'

Then I thought, 'Thank God the election is over.

This kind of the thing is fodder for the blogger, and every other 'voice' in the media....including those voices of African Americans, and those others who categorize themselves as 'People of Color'.

Such spokespersons 'name the game', and then charge those who question their interpretation as 'Not seeing the obvious intent of the speaker'.

After all, what else could he have possibly meant?

So...the stage is set for 'background music' for the next four years.


PEACE

Jim Chester
fro As I asked several times, CAN'T WE PLEASE JUST ENJOY THIS? Oh nawl....can't do that cuz we got these ungrateful "Black" haters who have NO IDEA what this accomplishment means....no idea of the millions upon millions of Africans who died to get to this point....this top. The ones who were STOLEN from their countries, deprogrammed and RAPED by the Europeans, Arabs and Asians, thrown in a culture not their own. Debased, humiliated, dehumanized for hundreds of years after that. Then victimized by Jim crows laws with no civil right to marry, be educated or VOTE! So. The foot soliders of the Black community said Hell Nawl! And took to the streets while cowardly artifical black intellectuals squabble about the five finger plan.Roll Eyes The foot soliders said loudly "FOCK the five finger plan....we WANT it all as HUMAN BEINGS we have a right." And so they won the right for all us including those who come from aboard to have civil rights as any other American citizen.

But what I see before me now is the generation of the 80s and 90s that have NO clue what it means to have a Black President. Cuz why? They don't know what it feels like to be hosed down by police, chased by white haters, open the front door to a burning cross in your lawn, denied a job when you are more than qualified, they don't know about the angst of segregation, not being able to live where you want, not being able to MARRY who want....all this legislated by old mighty massa. This generation pisses me off cuz they have unsubstaniated ARROGANCE....talk this artifical intellect and scared to DEATH to go out there and FIGHT the cause. Where were YOU! Who have benefitted quite nicely from all this blood shed? And have the nerve to be upset cuz the man was being HIMSELF. He didn't call yall a mutt.....he called himself a mutt. So. I don't understand how anyone could be insulted when he wasn't implying or making a statement that blackfolks like him are muttsRoll Eyes Give me a break! Don't yall have some celebrating to do? Ridiculous. Stupid. Immature.


This generation of blackfolks are the most SELFISH, self centered, stuck up, self righteous[for no reason], self-entitled, ignorant mofo I ever met in my life! And I know why? Cuz my generation SPOILED them. Shield them from the reality of what it really feels like to be a kneegrow in America. And because of that along with many of my generation turning black love to material black love. Cuz they didn't want their kids to go through what we went through. What we got in return is a bunch of snot-nosed educated snobbish set of individuls [not all-thank God] who will waste precious energy breaking down a historic moment just cuz they do not have a thing to do in their real lives... I know...Go read a BLACK HISTORY book! Cuz it's real comfy to critize than mobilize.

And because of segregation and jim crow a lot of blackfolks didn't have or develop the parenting skills to raise children. They were only taught to produce them-not give them self-esteem. As a result, many black families are dysfunctional....but the trade off is instilling material success to equate love to their children instead of promoting family success through love. It has been a mess. Cuz a lot blackfolks were having children when they were children as early as 13 and 14 years old...it was considered NORMAL back then to have so young and is why we had so many troubled parents trying to raise children.

I am so embarassed with this generation. I know you were failed....here are the evidence. Never in our history[Black] have sooooooo many children been placed in foster care, homeless, and neglected. Cuz why? Drugs, Prision and Parental Abandonment. The biggest thing: Blackfolks scared of each other....and really wanting to be WHITE! This didn't happen in my generation and if it did you didn't know about it. Cuz why? Black people were Proud. I know that our community failed this generation....by far the only generation that had free chance to excel in education and other unprecendented opportunities.

Today, Athletes , celebrities, succuessful business folks in this generation really had the chance to really turn our social consequence around. Did they? Hell to the Nawl. Their only interest is all the bling bling, cars, diamonds, clothes= material intellect....while black children are starving for nourishment and nurturment from their community. These folks answer to that? "It ain't my problem. This is my money!" If we felt like that throughout the years, we will STILL be slaves.

The man, President Elect Obama hasn't even got in the door without hearing empty noise from the BLACK peanut gallery! Just like Douglass who refused to join Harriet in the quest to free slaves. He rather stay on stage where it was safe. COWARD! Over the years there has been those like that who talk that talk....but when it comes to participating in the revolution they hide behind some SKIRT or stage!

I'm sick and tired of this generation debasing and talking trash about President Obama. If you don't like him...why in the fock did you VOTE for him? We need to be enjoicing this moment in time. Full circle. But I know this generation don't know what that means to celebrate a much DESERVED MILESTONE cuz they've been sooo busy dodging drive-bys, embracing gangsta mentality and listening to that negative hip hop persona so much that they do not know HOW to be happy for their culture. They're too busy booping their heads to the beat of ignorant rap stars whose lyric incites violence against women, children and each other that! they don't see the universe finally opening up after YEARS of despair saying CLEARLY.....that. It. Is. Our. Time. Cuz why? SUCCESS for our people fell right into place where nothing or any one could stop the progress.

This current generation of black folks are soooooooo deaf to the advancement of colored people. They are NUMB to those who DIED, and shed BLOOD FOR them. They are unappreciative of our GREAT unbreakable history showing that all of us. did. not. just. lay. down. and take. it. We kept moving forward. We did not give up. Like water dipping on a rock. It. Finally. Cracked. The foot soldier fought to the end. Cuz we know the "people" put him in office. Where were our so-called leaders? Our so-called black organizations? Jackson and Sharpton too busy squabbling out of jealousy and envy. Big organizations like the NACCP neglected and abandoned the cause. They chose to be like this generation: only come out to bling! So. I. Guess. They together will be there watching him being sworn in as President. Which is. Typical. Kneegrow. Behavior. Which has been passed down to this generation of blackfolks who REALLY don't get it. It's PITIFUL. Simply. Tragic. I am more than ashamed.....I am SADDENED! Not for this generation...but for the children they are RAISING. God help us all. Cuz we will definitely need it. I am TOTALLY pissed off? to the tenth power!! BUT! JMHO is allsck

BTW: Who is any one to say what is appropriate "racial" identification? Black scholars? Everyday blackfolks? I think those of you wjo are insulted....should be MORE insulted by what our black children have been through in last 20 years. And I also feel each to his own...what you define yourself....is absolutely personal...and you have a RIGHT to shout that identification to the mountain top is you CHOSE to. This is really an unneccesary distraction...how about watching to see what kind of [Black] President he's gonna be...eh? How about that? The arrogance of this discussion is nauseating.....fro
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3 days? Obama said it yesterday. I never heard of that term before. Multi-racial or mutt. Take your pick. I don't like it at all. Comparing mixed race to a dog's lineage? That foul.

Obams needs to realize that whatever he says regarding race is front page debatable news and African Americans don't need any more labels whether some Afreican Americans or any other minorities use the term multi-racial or not.

Obama should have kept that to himself.


Good point. I agree.......
A black Face on White Supremacy doesnt necessarily mean improvement for Africans in America or around the world for that matter. We must understand what the hell is going on. Obama basically ran a centrist campaign geared to middle class and working class whites. I have not heard Obama one time tell working class and poor whites to take responsibility for their situation.The only ones now who has to take responsibilty for their own situations are African people. The only group to be forced to this country and put under 400 years of slavery and a 100 years of Defacto Slavery and now all of a sudden we have ot be responsible. No to mention no other group in human history has come so far in so little time with so little resources. With that said the symbolism of a Black President or (Mutt) is just that symbolism. Especially if he only wants to carry out the liberal/centrist White Agenda. Obama never seriously talked about any core areas of greasted concern to black people. 1 Drugs and the prision industrial complex. 2. Restoration of voter rights and Citizenship rights to ex felons. 3. Jobs how will African Americans get access to jobs when the Educational systems most Africans Americans are under are terrible, to compond the problem so many African American do not have High School Diplomas or Job Readiness Skills to take advantage of the already changed economy. All these Public Work Programs and Green Jobs. Where will they Be?? Who will be in a position to take advantage of these jobs.? We need to be very careful about being so excited about a Black President. Another thing, look at Obamas foreign policy. Nothing in it about our relationship and aid to the Third World Particularly Africa, the Carribean and Central and South America. Nothing was said about The WTO or NAFTA. The only thing Ive heard about his foreign policy is Protecting Israel, Keeping Iran from aquiring Nuclear Weapons and chasing Al Queada.

So as we are so excited and happy about the election of the Nations first Black President, lets really look at how this affects the masses of African people and poor people in general around the World. Remember there were 8 African Popes of Rome.
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Obama basically ran a centrist campaign geared to middle class and working class whites.


Hey, let's not go that far. Leave it at:

Obama ran a centrist campaign geared to middle class

Had he said "working class" or "lower class" out loud people would have really thought he was the "Black" candidate. lol

I'm just saying... I noticed what you did. He avoided talking about po' folks like the plague. That's why the Republicans jumped at the chance to turn a really good impromptu Q&A with "Joe The Plumber" into something bad = Barack the "Redistributionist."

Nothing but the fear of being seen as the po' folks (and, by extension, Black folks) president can explain why the Obama campaign never thought to combat McCain's directly using White folks own language: "I'm going to put more of your hard-earned money back in your pocket."

That would be too much like saying poor, working class folks aren't lazy...
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A black Face on White Supremacy doesnt necessarily mean improvement for Africans in America or around the world for that matter. We must understand what the hell is going on. Obama basically ran a centrist campaign geared to middle class and working class whites. I have not heard Obama one time tell working class and poor whites to take responsibility for their situation.The only ones now who has to take responsibilty for their own situations are African people. The only group to be forced to this country and put under 400 years of slavery and a 100 years of Defacto Slavery and now all of a sudden we have ot be responsible. No to mention no other group in human history has come so far in so little time with so little resources. With that said the symbolism of a Black President or (Mutt) is just that symbolism. Especially if he only wants to carry out the liberal/centrist White Agenda. Obama never seriously talked about any core areas of greasted concern to black people. 1 Drugs and the prision industrial complex. 2. Restoration of voter rights and Citizenship rights to ex felons. 3. Jobs how will African Americans get access to jobs when the Educational systems most Africans Americans are under are terrible, to compond the problem so many African American do not have High School Diplomas or Job Readiness Skills to take advantage of the already changed economy. All these Public Work Programs and Green Jobs. Where will they Be?? Who will be in a position to take advantage of these jobs.? We need to be very careful about being so excited about a Black President. Another thing, look at Obamas foreign policy. Nothing in it about our relationship and aid to the Third World Particularly Africa, the Carribean and Central and South America. Nothing was said about The WTO or NAFTA. The only thing Ive heard about his foreign policy is Protecting Israel, Keeping Iran from aquiring Nuclear Weapons and chasing Al Queada.

So as we are so excited and happy about the election of the Nations first Black President, lets really look at how this affects the masses of African people and poor people in general around the World. Remember there were 8 African Popes of Rome.


My questioin is... Should we expect ANYONE running for president to do any of this? I just don't see this as descriptive of the 'job positiion'.

I don't think folks should look to Obama or any other president of this system to deal with any of 'this'.
My questioin is... Should we expect ANYONE running for president to do any of this? I just don't see this as descriptive of the 'job positiion'.

I don't think folks should look to Obama or any other president of this system to deal with any of 'this'.

Hell Yeah we should Expect The President to deal with these critical issues, they are issues of National Security first of all and Second of all It was Presidnet Bill Clinton who inacted a lot of these Crazy ass laws such as the Mandatory Minimum. Before him it was Ronald Regan with his "War of Drugs" and the total dismantling of social Programs. Forward to Bush The Patriot Act and the Further distrution of social programs. President had a lot to do with making these things happen
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:
My questioin is... Should we expect ANYONE running for president to do any of this? I just don't see this as descriptive of the 'job positiion'.

I don't think folks should look to Obama or any other president of this system to deal with any of 'this'.

Hell Yeah we should Expect The President to deal with these critical issues, they are issues of National Security first of all and Second of all It was Presidnet Bill Clinton who inacted a lot of these Crazy ass laws such as the Mandatory Minimum. Before him it was Ronald Regan with his "War of Drugs" and the total dismantling of social Programs. Forward to Bush The Patriot Act and the Further distrution of social programs. President had a lot to do with making these things happen


I guess you have a faith in the shitstem, and the power of who is at the head of it, that I do not have.... Particulalrly when it comes to eliminating imperialism as U.S. foregn policy, and the prison industrial complex. I still think we live in a corporate oligarchy and therefore do not think anyone at the laregly symbolic 'head' of it can do much that changes who's interests it serves...
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I guess you have a faith in the shitstem, and the power of who is at the head of it, that I do not have.... Particulalrly when it comes to eliminating imperialism as U.S. foregn policy, and the prison industrial complex. I still think we live in a corporate oligarchy and threfore do not think anyone at the laregly symbolic 'head' of it can do much that changes who's interests it serves...



Shyt we had to vote for somebody and since we voted for this Guy overwhelmingly , there is nothing wrong with pushing our agenda hard and expecting results. I mean what hell else can we do. Brothers and sisters are suffering from these Drug laws and Prison Industrial Complex. We at dam near 40% unemployment, we need to push every dam button we can push
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Shyt we had to vote for somebody and since we voted for this Guy overwhelmingly , there is nothing wrong with pushing our agenda hard and expecting results. I mean what hell else can we do. Brothers and sisters are suffering from these Drug laws and Prison Industrial Complex. We at dam near 40% unemployment, we need to push every dam button we can push


I definitely agree with that...
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Yeah, zakar said:

A black Face on White Supremacy doesnt necessarily mean improvement for Africans in America or around the world for that matter.



That's some straight bullshit right there. And no, I'm not speaking as an Obama supporter, I'm just speaking as an everyday citizen that's about sick and damn tired of hearing all these ignorant ass conspiracy theories and underground blackness garbage some of you so-called pro black nationalists, seperatists, radicals or whatever the fuck you want to call yourselves that think y'all have the inside track on every damn thing that's black.

If some of you separatist radicals are so damn savvy about how this country needs to be run, then why haven't any of you been put in office? Better yet, if you got any better ideas on how to run this country, then put yourself in a position to run it.

Damn. Y'all niggas ain't NEVER happy. This ain't no damn 1963--that civil rights leader era is fucking over, dead, gone. People ain't buying that shit anymore--it's not even necessary. I've said this before and I'll say it again--in this day and age the only thing that's holding black people back now is ourselves. I don't want to hear shit about who's against black folks, who's got it in for black folks and-that's-why-I'm-going-to-sit-on-my-ass-and-not-do-shit-with-my- life syndrome. I'm sick of that damn shit.

I've been employed since I was 15 years old and hadn't been unemployed since. I got my damn undergrad, grad and working on my doctorate and haven't missed a beat in my professional life. I said all that to say this: I came from a single parent household and could have easily not done shit with my life but I chose not to.

You just have to work like everybody else and get in where you fit in. This nation has come a long way but it has a long way to go. You can complain all you damn want to about how bad the economy is and how racism still exists but ain't NONE of you old enough to know what Jim Crow laws feels like on a day-to-day basis. I don't want to hear shit about how hard it is when back in the day, black people REALLY had it hard but got things done ANYWAY. I don't see how the hell life can be HARDER for black people when blacks were doing better 50 years ago than they are now.
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Hell Yeah we should Expect The President to deal with these critical issues, they are issues of National Security first of all and Second of all It was Presidnet Bill Clinton who inacted a lot of these Crazy ass laws such as the Mandatory Minimum. Before him it was Ronald Regan with his "War of Drugs" and the total dismantling of social Programs. Forward to Bush The Patriot Act and the Further distrution of social programs. President had a lot to do with making these things happen


This is some more straight up bullshit. Obama isn't omnipotent. Hell--he ain't even superhuman. Assholes need to stop trying to set this man up for failure when he isn't even officially the president. You geniuses are smart enough to know that no one can take the nation in the state it's in now and turn it around overnight. And you're a damn idiot if you think Obama should turn this nation around overnight just because he's the first black president.

Don't forget he's overcoming 8 years of an incompetant, failed Bush administration. How the hell you or anyone else can think Obama can overcome the backlash W. Bush has created as well as solve other current issues in one fell swoop is fucking preposterous.

If you fucking voted for Obama because you thought he could wave a magic wand and make all that is wrong with this nation disappear, then you fucking jipped yourself. Hell---if you're that fucking stupid you shouldn't have voted at all because there is no one on the Democratic, Republican, Independent or Green party ticket that can solve all the issues at hand in one term or even two.
Idiot do the math. If black people controlled 1/2 of 1 percent of the Nations wealth in 1860 and they control 1/2 of 1 percent of the Nations wealth today what in hell kind of progress is that? Sure there are a lot of symbolism and model Token Blacks is a few position but as a whole black peopel are virtually in the same position they were in right after the Civil War and at this point possibly going backwards. Now one fucking black man as the President looks good but its gona take a tremendous amount of Self Help, Self Pride and Black Ownership development to change the condition of black people.

Some people followed Martin Some Followed Malcom.

Some followed Booker T some folled WEB .

So because you dont agree with Blacks who want to control the areas in which they live. Dont knock people who do. Just do what the fuck you do and stay out the way of others who are taking a different path.
...And another damn thing. I'm sick and damn tired of idiots running around clammering because of Obama being "tested". Anyone would sound ignorant as fuck to think Obama is being tested because he's black--as if McCain or any other honkey had won the presidency no foreign country would DARE test a white man. The fuck is wrong with y'all?

If or when Obama is tested he will be tested because America is going through a change of power not because Obama is black and, therefore, not capable of dealing with a foreign threat. Secondly, if Obama is to be tested, specifically, by Russia, unless you've been camping under a rock for the last 3 years it's been Bush and Chenney that's agitating and provoking the shit out of Russia in the first place, which is why Russia is in a position to act the fool to begin with.

Y'all need to see the big damn picture instead of treating Obama like you would treat yourselves--like dog shit.

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