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And you think choosing ignorance over political involvement and knowledge is something to be 'proud' of?
What ignorance are you talking about?

Where did you go on the COLORBLIND thread?? GOT SCARED???

Just because I don't celebrate the ineffective TWO-PARTY system as it relates to Black people or rather properly see it as ineffective does not mean I am not "politically involved" or unaware.

You should refrain from trying to shame people cause I got your goat everytime you stepped up... REMEMBER, Punks JUMP UP to get BEAT DOWN!
...and I never run out.

(... Where ya at?? ...)
Hey Sarge ...

Who is your model Senator?? You can lament the evils of others ... who do you feel is our savior in Congress? Oh don't tell me .... the Honorable Trent Lott, perhaps? Or was Newt Gingrich your man, maybe? :congress:

Who should we look up to old wise Sarge? Tell us please, so that we may see the light!!

Black by Nature, Proud by Choice.
SCREW SARGEANT Let's not allow some idiot to get us off the topic at hand. Once someone has their minds made up, they aren't going to change them, this is the case with the aforementioned poster. By the way there is enough anger in the black community that if pointed in the right direction will hit sargeant and his buddies when and where they least expect it.

Now about Mugabe, I've said this in other posts, but I must repeat it again. Mr. Mugabe has done nothing wrong in terms of land reform. Back in 1999 as reported by the BBC, the people were demanding land. Roughly 75% of the land in Zimbabwe was farmland owned by white farmers. While 25% of the land was "reserved" for Black Zimbaweans to live on. They were within their rights to demand the reform, the president obliged. My former landlord in Italy was one of these property owners. I'm speaking on what I know and what has been reported in the world press. Land reform in Zimbabwe was just and something that was determined to happen from Zimbabwe's independence in 1980. I agree with the author, that the position that Colin Powell is being put in does compromise our image in the African world view. Reference Sep 10, 2001 issue of Time Magazine to get the situations Mr. Powell has been put in by Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush. He was fully grey and old looking in less than a year of taking office under the Bush administration. Powell can get angry until the cows come home, but he should look at the situation from an external view. Sometimes that's all it takes.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
You're absolutely right, Yssys!!

I don't have a problem with the land reform issue. My problem with Mugabe is that that land reform policy was issued and implemented without any regard of the consequences or a valid agenda about what to do next!! Kind of like Bush and Iraq!

To take land and give it back to Black people who know what to do with it and can continue the prosperity of the country is one thing. He could have had a plan to teach and tutor those acquiring the land on how to farm it or something like that. To take land and give it to friends and relatives who have not the slightest clue of what to do next is another! That brand of land reform has reduced Zimbabwe to a disaster.

Aside from that Mugabe's humanitarian record is a nightmare. He is a dictator, pure and simply. And his people have and are still suffering from his rule. I have no respect for him in that area.

Mugabe often does tell the truth as it relates to his criticism of Western powers ... and he is brutally honest in his assessment, which is what leaders like Bush and Blair try to run from, ignore, and spin propaganda on. Powell has been made to look bad in front of the rest of the world. But I don't think he holds up the image for the whole of Black America. He is just seen as the puppet of this Administration that he is!

Black by Nature, Proud by Choice.
The people working the farms were black, EbonyRose, however I agree that land management should've been taught. Again I must say that the people were the ones calling for the land reform. This is a well known fact by the British gov't since at least 1999 as reported by the BBC. However, they did nothing in conjunction with the Zimbabwean gov't to aid them in the land transfer. Mugabe had to appease the people or watch the country fall apart and himself getting the coup. The farmers themselves demanded reparations from the British gov't, which they reluctantly gave them for the land that they lost. This is the reason the Brits are so upset. They didn't care when Mugabe was doing all of these other things in Zimbabwe. Basically that shows the West in a true light.
Since Powell is black and holds a high post in the U.S. government he does represent black america to those who do not live here.I never said that he represents the whole, however he is a high profile and substantial representation of us. Think about it to know that a black man for example, makes decisions that directly affect you is heavy. He does, whether he wants to or not, represent the will of Black america to Black countries.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
You know what, Yssys .... I hear ya!! And let me explain that I do fully understand that my way of thinking on this subject is probably less than a minority point of view! Razz I don't know that I know many (if any) other Black people who think on this the way I do! I sure this might make you cringe Big Grin .. but here goes!

To me, I do not look on Powell as the (or a) Black Secretary of State). He does not represent Black people to me in his present capacity. He is the Secretary of State in a (Republican) Administration, who happens to be a Black man! I don't look to him to stand up for any of our issues or policies. I don't look to him to promote our struggle or influence agendas that elevates our position. More than that, as a Republican, his way of thinking is already atypical to best solutions that are in our favor.

To me, Powell is a very successful and high-achieving Black man. He is the type of person that our Black youth can look up to, inasmuch as the notion that one can achieve great things in this world. And role models are such a necessity in this day and age.

As far as I'm concerned, his station and military achievements carry much more weight to me than the fact that he is a Black man ... because he is not a Black man working for Black issues. He's not a Martin or Malcolm, so his race has little merit in the performance of his job duties. He is a Black man working for Bush and cronies, who we know doesn't and never will put African American issues at the top of any agenda.

Now, what other Black countries think of him is far more important that what I do. And if his tarnished image tarnishes us as well, well that's definitely an unfortunate problem. But for me, Powell's being Black is not a big deal. To me, he would be much more influential if he were the Director of African-American Affairs and bending Bush ear to really make a difference for us!

Black by Nature, Proud by Choice.
(henry38
State Representative
posted July 23, 2003 08:06 AM
Sergeant please don't think you are the only one brothers sometimes have been hostile to. I have had a few close shaves myself, but most of he time in the interest of peace I back off. I am not trying to have a go at you because you have got some very good points and it would be a shame if you leave us soon because of the unfriendly air that I believe you are building around yourself.)

My point in regards to Africans and blacks being some what different.

Whites have no business telling blacks how to improve their lives since they have and probably will never experience what blacks have to go through. Sgt, from a fellow military man, your comments are not welcome, but this is America, say what you will.
Faheem I agree with you when you say a white man using the N word is less dangerous than a racist white implementing racist policies. President Truman used the N word regularly but it was him that desegregated the armed forces and appointed blacks to the Supreme Court. Other Presidents talked a good game and came off as heroes of the oppressed e.g Roosevelt but really didn't deliver the goods. In the end its not what you say but what you do.
Truman most likely desegregated the Armed Forces to build up the military. I doubt if it was out of the black people of this country appealing to his sense of morals and empathy. Empathy towards African-americans didn't exist then Roll Eyes

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965

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