MUGABE DOES A BUSH-TALK AND ANGERS POWELL
By Michael Roberts
Roberts' Column - African Sun Times, July 10-16, 2003


The recent statement by Zimbabwe's president Robert Mugabe that painted United States Secretary of State, Colin Powell, as an Uncle Tom who does his master's bidding has had the U.S. Administration, and the retired general, in angry stitches. The U.S. Embassy in Harare has angrily called the characterization a racial slur and demanded that the irascible Zimbabwean leader retract his statement. But to the world, the enigmatic and dictatorial Mugabe, who has defied the British and the European Union over the controversial land seizures in his country, has spoken some shred of truth even allowing for his obviously warped and tortured political mind.

The United States must be careful about what it wishes for since Mr. Mugabe's statements about the former general are tame in comparison to some that the tough-talking President Bush has made in respect to world leaders that he considers beneath contempt.

Remember the "pygmy" reference to North Korea's president Kim Jon Il? And what about his consistent labeling of Iraq�s Saddam Hussein as the worst dictator since Adolph Hilter without providing America and the world with any such
evidence? I remember the vaunted National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice blasting
Saddam Hussein on the Sunday talk shows as someone who cuts out the tongues of his enemies as nobody asked her just where the heck she got that one from. And what about the time that Harry Belafonte accused the Secretary of States of
exactly the same things that Mugabe did?

No. When it suits the United States it speaks about elected criminals in glowing terms. For the years the United States supported and armed Angola's Jonas Savimbi, a menacing blood-thirsty thug who was killing innocent Angolans, and
called him a "freedom fighter."

It coddled with the hated Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, perhaps the most infamous mass murderer in Latin American history, even as it now castigates and vilifies Robert Mugabe for far lesser crimes.

Now I'm not saying that Mr. Mugabe is a saint, or that his hands are not stained with innocent blood. But I am saying that the U.S. attacks against him are not based on any honest principle but simply to support the rantings of Britain's Tony Blair and his land-grabbing countrymen who cannot stomach the results when the tables are turned and roles reversed.

Remember, it was these colonial-minded rapists who stole Zimbabwean lands by
any means necessary - from formenting tribal strife to outright murder all sanctioned and approved by the British government. Now that Zimbabweans are reclaiming their lands, their birthright, Bush and Blair arrogantly have problems with that.

However, that said, I believe that Robert Mugabe is just as dangerous a thug as Pakistan's president 'Busharraf' who came to power by unconstitutional means, but who is now the darling of the United States, simply for his role in Bush's war on terror. I believe that Mugabe is just as bad for Zimbabwe as Saddam Hussein was for Iraq. I think he's in the same nasty league as Liberia's Charles Taylor, or for that matter any of the Bosnian tribal warlords now masquerading as legitimate leaders with European and American - blessings. However, the Bush and Powell double standard in foreign policy is to demonize Mugabe while kissing up to their own sponsored dictators who are killing their people
and preside over undemocratic and anti-people regimes.

Maybe Mr. Mugabe got his schooling in the art of the stinging political rebuke from Blair or Bush. Or maybe he was thinking about the hilarious
"intelligence" briefing that the hapless Secretary of State had to deliver last February
to the United Nations and the world that turned out to be built on a tissue of falsehoods, spurious intelligence reports, and outright plagarization from a two-year old college paper. Or perhaps Mugabe, like the rest of the world,
watched in stunned awe as the Secretary General delivered the coup de grace about Iraq's nuclear weapons programs and its procurement of materials for same that turned out to be monumental, but simple, unsophisticated forgeries.

Or maybe he recently saw another attempt at a "WMD smoking gun" when an Iraqi scientist suddenly got a pang of conscience and remembered that he had Iraq's nuclear program buried under his backyard� or was it front yard? flower
garden at least 10 years ago? And it was the poor Secretary General that was forced to declare this new find that has disappeared from the media just as suddenly as it was floated. So given all these things and the way that the Secretary General was treated by the Pentagon when it declared victory over Iraq with a big celebration by pointedly not inviting the general, can anyone doubt that maybe, just maybe, Mugabe is not wrong on this one?

I have every respect for Secretary of State Powell. I think that he remains a strong example of a positive role model for us Black males. I think that deep down he is driven by a sense of what is right and what is wrong. I also believe that he�s the odd man out in the cabal of rabid neoconservatives that now surround President Bush and run America. I believe that he's at odds with the triumphalist, saber-rattling, and war-hungry stance that folks like Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle continue to take. But I don't believe that he�s an Uncle Tom.

Certainly, his approach and reluctance to question or criticize aspects of the Bush Administration's wrong-headed domestic and foreign policy lends itself to the charges of Uncle Tomism. The upstaging of Powell by Donald Rumsfeld, and other lower-level functionaries in the Defense Department, plus the willingness to stick him in difficult, failure-prone foreign policy issues (Israel vs Palestine) also gives the impression that Powell is a "yes man" who just has to blindly, like Uncle Tom, follow the leader.

For many Blacks the label of Uncle Tom that they want to stick to Powell is simply based on the fact that they know he's an intelligent, experienced man, much more so than the president of the United States or the Secretary of
Defense for that matter; and yet he appears to be utterly dominated and forced into doing things that tend to hurt and tarnish his reputation, by
intellectually puny men, and women, who cannot hold a candle to his sterling record of accomplishment.

I doubt that Mr. Mugabe saw it this way. The man simply lashed out at General Powell for purely domestic political reasons. He wants to play political brinkmanship with the American bull to bolster his reputation in the region and at
home. Indirectly, he's also attacking Britain's Tony Blair whose own countrymen have recently accused him of "acting presidential." It is however very dubious what political currency he will ultimately gain from this clearly calculated outburst.

But such are the wiles of Robert Mugabe, an ailing old political dinosaur whose fixed political style explains his advanced age, even as his irregular and enigmatic posturing bespeaks a leader clearly out of touch with all reality.

Black by Nature, Proud by Choice.
 
 BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
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I worship NO LEADER when the lives of MY BABIES are on the line. Name calling goes with the game. We've beem called everything in the book ever since we've been here. All this "brain splattering" is getting to be too much for me. It's been going on ever since I CAN REMEMBER. That's a long time to most of you. Too bad for Mr. Powell. So be it!!!!!
I think that it is damaging for the image of African Americans to have Powell and Rise as such high profile players in US foreign policy that is widely seen around the word as being unjust and plagued with double standards. Given that these two black faces are the likely ONLY political faces people of others countries see, they may just assume that Powell and Rice are representative of the African American community and condone the invasion and heavy-handed tactics against WEAKER people and nations.

Not that long ago, when terrorist would take US hostages, they would let the black people go, lamenting that they had enough problems and they were not our enemy. Now, with Powell and Rice at the forefront of conservative foreign policy that is viewed as unjust, African Americans are no longer being viewed as people who recognize and strive for justice due to our own empirical experiences. Now, I am afraid that no distinction is seen between the politics of African Americans vs. the politics of white America, by foreigners who face injustice.

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Good Lord the African Times has its problems. Amazingly irrelevant and error laden reporting. But they did get one point right when they described Mugabe as "has spoken some shred of truth even allowing for his obviously warped and tortured political mind."

Warped and tortured indeed. The man is a fool.

I'll leave this post with a quote from that silly article. Have a look:

"Now I'm not saying that Mr. Mugabe is a saint, or that his hands are not stained with innocent blood. But I am saying that the U.S. attacks against him are not based on any honest principle"

Really? His hands admittedly are "STAINED WITH INNOCENT BLOOD" in his own nation, but lets not criticize 'him', lets just criticize the 'criticism' of him instead????? Valuing the lives of innocents is not an 'honest' principle????

Truly amazing.
The reason the criticism of Mugabe is not honest is based on the U.S. not caring what Mugabe was doing until he start taking land from white folk and killing them. Mugabe been killing Black men and women in Zimbabwe for years, it is only when he decided to take back the land from the white folk that he got Europe and America attention. I wonder why!

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Colin Powell

"...and Colin appears to be utterly dominated and his reputation tarnish by intellectually puny men, and women, who cannot hold a candle to his sterling record of accomplishment."

Indeed herein lies the meaning of Colin Powell in the Bush administration! Uncle Tom, you God damm right! Bush, Blair and Rumsfeld would never accept subordination by a descendent of a Negro slave, - hell no, be you Colin, Clarence or Connerly. Now sergeant, I'll leave you with what I've said about Colin and Condi from the get-go and what I still believe today!!

Presently, Secretary of State Colin Powell occupies a government position that defacto prohibits him from politically, legislatively or exclusively supporting his own race. Like Condi Rice and other prominent blacks, they can never use their positions to overtly advocate for blacks whether enslaved, in bondage or free! Unlike the plethora of racist Senators and Congressman, e.g., South Carolina Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Strom Thurman, North Carolina Senator Jessie Helms, the late Governor of Alabama George Wallace and more recently, Governor Perdue who have all openly represented racism in one form or another. In contrast, black political elites are only permitted to represent the interest of white corporate America and the white imperialist government! Black political elites are disallowed from ever representing controversial symbols like the Confederate flag, as was the case with Governor Purdue of Georgia who's political race was based on reinstatement of the Confederate Flag atop the State capitol. As is the case with white politicians like Senator Strom Thurman and others, black political appointees are prohibited from associations with controversial groups like the Klu Klux Klan, White Citizens Council, and Bob Jones University or for that matter the Black Panther Party!

Any black African state that rightfully and justifiably fights to defend their homelands against an invasion of white superiority and subjugation, if America decides to militarily obliterate that state, - Colin and Condi must support white aggression and imperialism! But even worst, irrespective of Colin and Condi's high government positions, they are absolutely ineffective in fighting and combating the plague of racism most blacks face on a daily basis! This is what the Hell Harry Belafonte and now Robert Mugabe are talking about!
Thats inaccurate faheem. Any nexus search will bring loads of former criticism prior to the confiscation policies. The library is FREE, use it.

kraal, when you been man? Only one criticism for you. You've got the Condi and Colin thang backwards. Bush has often followed the advice and views expressed by Condi and Colin, not the other way around. For example, it was Colin who prompted Bush to seek the resolution in the UN against Iraq. Bush did not favor doing so, but did so based on Colin's perception of things. And Condi had the lead early in the Iraqi game, but I'm sure you can read about that if it really interests you so much.

Nice try though.
Sergeant

A question. Are you a fascist stormfromt racist posing as a blackman on this site? The reason why I ask is you are constantly bickering and putting black people down at the least opportunity or telling us how best we should live our lives. When you are not bickering and finding fault then you are fighting with someone somewhere in the forum. You don't show any desire for friendship or to learn from anyone. Your whole approach is hostile, why is that?

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Can you give me a few examples henry? Also, have you read some of the attitude and insults directed TOWARDS me? You worried about those folks as much as you worried about me?
Wonder why that is.....

So, the answer is no. I'm just dialoguing with those who wish to dialogue. Not that hard to understand if you really try. So, you got any opinions you'd like to share, or is this personal attack 101 ?
I mean look at your last response "the library is free use it" That sort of style of speaking to black people in particular is like waving a red flag at a bull



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Sarg aint black!!!!! I peeped that long ago!!! No black man I know talks like that...not even black conservatives. Its like when you hear a voice...90% of the time you know when the person is black or not...and you cannot really articualte why or how you know this. The same is true here...I cannot articulate how and why, but I just to think he is black.

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Well perhaps you right. But I do think we need some red flags every now and then to wake us up. I was a little miffed that faheem could spread such a false hood about the lack of criticism of Mugabe in times past, and I wanted to get his attention, cause its important to know the criticism has been consistent and long standing.

Alright," Mr faheem. If you go down to the corner theres this big square building with lots of flyers all over it and a whole lot of books inside. And they don't even charge you to enter. You might find it interesting"

That better? Maybe we should adjourn to the 'Home Journal Etiquette Tips' folder?
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
Sarg aint black!!!!!


Aw, hell no. He's just trying to infiltrate - and pimp his nonsense. He probably thinks he can "save" us from ourselves! Roll Eyes
Sergeant please don't think you are the only one brothers sometimes have been hostile to. I have had a few close shaves myself, but most of he time in the interest of peace I back off. I am not trying to have a go at you because you have got some very good points and it would be a shame if you leave us soon because of the unfriendly air that I believe you are building around yourself.

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It doesn't matter to me...

His language falls apart at times that makes you wonder... not to mention his Party-Line Petty Political Perspective!

But it doesn't matter to me. He can or may very well be "Black" but that doesn't change the fact that is wayyyyyyyy off-base on most things and A PROVEN LIAR!! Big Grin

{... dips head with compressed brow...
"How the HELL he gonna tell me he didn't say something I KNOW he said... Punk-Ass MotherF~@$%!" ... a nod of assurance...}
A sergeant

You forgot to address the point of my piece; Unlike the plethora of racist Senators and Congressman, e.g., South Carolina Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Strom Thurman, North Carolina Senator Jessie Helms, the late Governor of Alabama George Wallace and more recently, Governor Perdue who have all openly represented racism in one form or another. In contrast, black political elites are only permitted to represent the interest of white corporate America and the white imperialist government! Black political elites are disallowed from ever representing controversial symbols like the Confederate flag, as was the case with Governor Purdue of Georgia who's political race was based on reinstatement of the Confederate Flag atop the State capitol. As is the case with white politicians like Senator Strom Thurman and others, black political appointees are prohibited from associations with controversial groups like the Klu Klux Klan, White Citizens Council, and Bob Jones University or for that matter the Black Panther Party!

C'mon sergeant cut the selective response bullsh!t Please Address The above Points!
Its refreshing to see a compliment every now and then. Thank you henry. I get what you are telling me. Watch out for censorship. I'll take that into consideration.

If a brother get hostile, usually its due to insecurity and lack of confidence in whatever position one is taking, and that tells its own tale. Don't worry me a bit.
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Originally posted by sergeant:

If a brother get hostile . . .


OK - he used the word "brother" and he broke a verb. He's legit!!! Roll Eyes
Sorry kraal, I don't see any point you've made. Maybe you could put it in the form of an actual 'question' or something.

Are you asking me to comment on the validity of your statements there? I think its about 99% silliness. Everyone knows the flag was first raised by a liberal democrat governor.

And it seems you've totally forgotten that black folks TODAY honor and routinely vote for the party of the 'real' clansman, Senator Byrd, who can openly and publicly call people NIGGERS, and yet the congressional black caucus is wholly 'silent' about that, and routinely heap praise on him as the 'elderly statesman', etc.

If you can explain THAT unbelievably HUGE hypocracy I'm all ears.
Nmaginate, you are sound for not caring. It is a common strategy among whites that are seeking to PERSUADE blacks via forums, to attempt to present themselves as black by inference of name or use of pronouns. I think that this insults black people to 1: think that we can be fooled so easily and 2: that we do not have the integrity or character to recognize truth unless it comes from the mind of a black person. Micheal Moores book entitled "Stupid white men", should serve to disprove the latter assumption.

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Watch out for censorship. I'll take that into consideration.

CENSORSHIP!!

Please............ Spare me.

What the hell you think you could possibly say that would deserve censorship? Obviously you must think you're Columbus or something - as if you are the first one to expouse or have us "discover" your perspectives...

Puh-leaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

Now, I have less respect for you because YOU LIED to me. You tried to challenge me with some lame shit saying you didn't say what you did... Instead of own up, you took the Bytch Route...

ON TOPIC (sort of):
Yeah I'm sure the criticism of Mugabe was about equal to the criticism of SO-DAMN INSANE when Rummy paid him a visit in the 80's and was shaking his hand, grinnin' and shit!!

Yeah... US foreign policy always shows consistent criticism of brutal dictators! Wink
A nexus search by you Sergeant will result in you becoming aware that the U.S. did not make moves to put smart sanction on Mugabe until the land grabbing. Mugabe and Zimbabwe human rights violations were always mention and ignored by this government. Mugabe biggest opposition party distanced themselves from the sanction imposed by the U.S. after lobbying for years to have sanctions imposed because they understood the U.S. only approved sanction because white folk were in the line of fire. The same with the EU and with Australia.


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Maginate, maybe you should be addressing that post to Noah, seems he is the one afraid and 'sceared' of what I'm going to say. He so scared that now I've suddenly become 'white', just so he doesn't have to match wits or discuss issues honestly. You see, I've got family, loads of it. And when I'm asked on my views, I get the same type of responses, fear, censorship, and ignorance. His attitude is nothing new to me. Don't bother me none.

Black liberals are the foremost 'censors' in society today. For example, you'll never see the naacp, supposedly an organization for the betterment of ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS, support or allow to speak a more conservative AFRICAN AMERICAN, yet all the while claiming that diversity of opinion and inclusion are of value to that org. Well, diversity is ok as long as the conservative viewpoint is censored. Black conservatives are routinely demonized so as to not include them, or have to face the challenges to thought they present.

I mean, get real here, AFRICAN AMERICANS conservatives are routinely censored, routinely shunned, and routinely bashed by those claiming to speak for all 'black' folks. So I fully expect a few of us to get uncomfortable. New ideas and new viewpoints are sometimes unsettling to those who have been thinking ONE way for so long, and have never considered other viewpoints. But NOONE has the right to expect me to shut up, or be silent, or be something I'm not. Where's the value in only hearing 'half' the story on issues?
Hey Sarg, if the day ever came that I feared you, you could kiss your arse goodbye or I would be kissing mine goodbye. I do not coexist in the fear of another.

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Oh, so now faheem, its not 'criticism' all of a sudden that you claimed was lacking, but now its 'sanctions' that you think were required.

Listen up, let me know when you finally swerve your way into a consistent, and Un-changing, viewpoint that you feel 'works' for you. Then maybe we could stay on the same point when we discuss issues. Its impolite to make statements, and then take them back faheem.

So you all 'tingly' over a nation run, not by a government of the people, but by a one man Dictator, like a King. So good to see black folks getting all teary-eyed over the majesty of Royalty again.

Lordy....
If you are black Sarg, does your radical mutation from the normative of black thought render you superior or inferior to the masses of black people?

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For example, you'll never see the naacp, supposedly an organization for the betterment of ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS, support or allow to speak a more conservative AFRICAN AMERICAN, yet all the while claiming that diversity of opinion and inclusion are of value to that org.
Likewise, you don't have conservatives inviting liberals to be speakers at their events...

SO what's your point???

You CONservatives sound like a bunch of pansies!
(How's that for some White lingo! Big Grin)
WTF?? are you crying for??

... Like I said Petty Party-Line Punk-aSS Bullshit!!

And ain't nobody scared of WTF you got to say...
You shit ain't new... nor is it alarming...

Now when you get off of suckin your own penis... let me know...
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Originally posted by sergeant:
For example, you'll never see the naacp, supposedly an organization for the betterment of ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS, support or allow to speak a more conservative AFRICAN AMERICAN, yet all the while claiming that diversity of opinion and inclusion are of value to that org.


Uh, Condoleeza Rice just won the top NAACP Image Award. Roll Eyes
sergeant

"I don't see any point you've made."

Yeh, I bet you don't! Well allow me to reiterate serg. You say there is no point in racist senators and congressmen!!! I don't believe most blacks would describe racist congressmen and Senators as "silliness." Either you accept the fact of their racism and the harm it caused black folk or deny they ever were!!!!

And if you are you suggesting that because a democrat first raised the Stars and Bars that the flag is now acceptable by African Americans at-large, - then the previous posters are correct about your identity, you are fraud! Moreover, while you are partially correct about Senator Byrd, you are entirely wrong about the meaning as it applies to black folk in general. Your inference that because some ignorant southern blacks like Armstrong Williams praised Senator Byrd that the Senator is "just all right with black folk" is insulting! This sort of thinking makes me even more inclined to believe that you are the fraud others here have describe you as being. I suspect next you will argue that blacks in the south fought for the Confederacy, which would truly be as you have said "99% silliness." Now c'mon bring on more of your nonsense!
To be fair, I've seen some information that looks credible regarding those names, and much that certainly is not. What you want to do, take away their lunch money or something?

If you wish to discuss a particularly 'harmful' act that you believe a senator has done, then bring it up. Noone is stopping you.

Now, this is how 'dialogue' goes. You 'state' something, or express something, like why you've decided to turn a blind eye and cherish the only 'provable' and 'admitted' member of the kkk in the senate, and I'll be glad to hear you out.

Or for another example, I'd like to hear what you have to say regarding this:

"while you are partially correct about Senator Byrd, you are entirely wrong about the meaning as it applies to black folk in general"

So, express for us why I'm 'partially' right, that is 'which' part is 'partially right', and the subsequent part that must be 'partially' wrong.

Then tell us why I'm "entirely" wrong in your view regarding the 'meaning' of the EX KKK MEMBER senator byrd , and what you believe the 'meaning' of a senator byrd is to black folks.

What I'm truly interested in is the research you've done on those of whom kkk Byrd "recruited" into the KKK for all those MANY years, and how those 'recruits' into the kkk went on to murder, torch, and abuse Black folks all over the west virginia, Ohio, and pennsylvania region.

Please my worldly 'black minded' friend, give to us all of the names of all those who were "recruited" by kkk Byrd, who then went on to do the lords work in lynching black folks for about half a century throught west virginia, Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Yes tell us, tell us, tell us ALL THE GLORIOUS ACTS THOSE RECRUITS OF SENATOR KKK BYRD WENT ON TO ACCOMPLISHIN IN LATER LIFE, SO THAT WE WILL ALL KNOW WHO KILLED WHICH BLACK FOLKS, WHO LYNCHED WHICH BLACK FOLKS, WHO TORCHED AND CASTRATED AND RAPED AND DENIED BLACK PEOPLE ALL OVER WEST VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA, PENNSYLVANIA AND OHIO. TELL US WHY WE SHOULD LOVE THIS MAN KRAAL!!!!

GIVE US THE NAMES OF kkk BYRD'S RECRUITS BLACK VICTIMS kraal AND GIVE US "THAT" HISTORY OF DESTRUCTION AND DEATH AND ABUSE THAT ALL THOSE BLACK VICTIMS OWE MR BYRD GRATITUDE FOR KIND SIR!!!

And then we'll sit down and 'discuss' what ole friendly Mr Byrd 'means' to Black people according to 'you'. ok?


BTW, if you looking for a boot licker to line up behind your little list of 'hate', you won't find one in me. You'll have to earn my concensus, especially when the views expressed are as radical, naive, and subjective as yours are.

Go on, tell us why KKK Byrd is GOOD in your view, and how lovely the legacy of having been a KKK RECRUITER all those years has been to Black folks you cretan.


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I see Sergeant has now edited his post. but oh well..

NAACP Criticizes U.S. Senator For Using 'N-Word'

Date posted: 03/09/01



(Special to the NNPA) - The NAACP has called "repulsive and revealing" Sen. Robert C. Byrd's (D-W.Va.) use of the word "nigger" in a taped interview on FOX-TV's "Fox News Sunday." Byrd has apologized for using the word.

The context came as Byrd, a member of the Ku Klux Klan as a young man, talked about the importance of harmony among different racial groups.

"My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that," the senator recalled. "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time-I'm going to use that word."

"The fact that Byrd felt free enough to make that kind of statement about any group," NAACP President and CEO Kweisi Mfume told the Associated Press, "suggests that any progress he has made on race is relative."

The interview, which was taped on Friday, March 2 and broadcast this past Sunday, March 4, was followed up on "Fox News Sunday" by a written statement of apology by Byrd after it aired. Show host Tony Snow read Byrd's statement over the air.

Most dictionaries define "nigger" as both an ignorant person and as a derogatory term for African-Americans, although for two centuries the word has as largely been used by white Americans as the latter.

For Full Text, See New Journal and Guide, March 8-14, 2001

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Your Brother Faheem
Oh, and poor ole kindly 'Mr' Byrd apologized. Well well well, thats good enough for me. How about you? That makes it all better now. Think I'll go out and vote for him based on his 'apology'.

Thats pretty much what I'm talking about. Byrd cries NIGGER, Black folks 'posture' as if something might be wrong, make a few statements to the press, and then its alright. Its just all democrat dirt swept under the KKK rug. How nice and tidy. And I'm all so sure the apology of an ex-Klansman is universally trusted and heart-felt throughout our community right? I mean, how couldn't it be??? We can all go home happy now.

Lordy, can't find a better example of weak negroes than that. I mean truly folks, the man is an EX KLANSMAN shouting NIGGER on national TV in the gotdam 21st century no less!!! And all some weak negroes got to say is , "duh, but he said he sorry".

Better watch out for those repubs though".

F_cking marvelous....
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Go on, tell us why KKK Byrd is GOOD in your view, and how lovely the legacy of having been a KKK RECRUITER all those years has been to Black folks you cretan.

What is up with the "Who's The Better White Guy" shit!???

Republicans and Democrats, NEITHER have embraced or forwarded a Black Agenda. Therefore, NEITHER ONE is worthy of any Black person's defense, IMO.

Both work to preserve White Privilege, White Power and White Supremacy. and act and tactics they learned well from the "founding fathers"...
(and you can include Abe "Freed-dem" Lincoln in that as well...)

I sure hope you [Johny SARG.] don't think I give a DAMN about either party. F-bomb every last one of them - Black WHITE purple or poke-a-dot...

Message to America from the Racist Republican Regime: We Don't Really Care About Improving Race Relations
Byrd is as repulsive as you make him out to be and I have never and would never be found defending Byrd; the article was to inform you that Byrd was criticized as you said he was not.

While a white man throwing the word NIGGER around is a problem, white men making policies that adversely affect the Black community is far more dangerous than some white beast dropping the N word. Byrd is an elected official and his constituents are responsible for him being in office not Black folk. So how about you go after those white folk that put him in office, I am sure you will have fun doing that. It would be great to know Byrd's past and the number of Black folk he killed, or his recruits killed.

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When our most educated, and best prepared turn their back on our community, stagnation sets in and the men and women who are not the most educated and not the most prepared become the example for those coming behind them. It is up to those of us who are not rich and well off but are educated and prepared to educate our youth and prepare them for what they will face when entering the world.



More to come later!

Your Brother Faheem
Ask black democrats that question maginate, its they who have obviously deemed KKK byrd one of the 'friendlies', right?

And you think choosing ignorance over political involvement and knowledge is something to be 'proud' of?

What planet elected you to speak for black folks? You are NOONE by your own admission. OH please, tell me of that great all black party that is going to magically appear some day and make black folks 'gay' or whatever...., I luv dat stuff......
    I can't count the number of times some Anglo conservative has used the N-word in reference to African-Americans in front of me, even towards those they root for, such as Dallas Cowboys running back Emmitt Smith. I can't count the number of racial "jokes" or references some white City Council member, police officer, businessman, or other establishment figure - whom I know is a Republican - has told to my face. A popular "joke" during this time of year by such racist Republicans is, "What are you doing for Martin Luther ˜Coon' Day?" Or they will snicker, "Have you learned anything during ˜Black Ass' History Month?"

    I've sat at high school football games in Republican-dominated towns as Anglo adults in the stands taunted the lone black player on the opposing team using that N-word. I've attended all-white meetings – as a reporter, not participant - in which elitist Republicans have discussed getting around the Voting Rights Act by lobbying for requirements that voters have to own property. I didn't need someone to spell out what they were talking about – they wanted some way to keep blacks from voting.

    Name a white public figure who espouses racist views, and the vast majority of the time he or she is affiliated with the Republican Party [yes, there is racism exhibited by some African-American public figures, but that's the subject for another column]. David Duke, the former Klansman and Louisiana state representative, chaired the Republican Parish Executive Committee of the largest Republican parish in Louisiana as late as 2000, when he skipped the country and eventually was convicted of fraud and tax evasion. Many Republicans are associated with the openly-racist Council for Conservative Citizens, including outgoing Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, who has spoken before the segregationist group, and Republican National Committee leader Buddy Witherspoon, who has resisted calls that he resign his CCC membership.

    As the Internet site, evilGOPbastards.com, points out, Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist, a Republican, launched his career as a GOP operative in 1964 by harassing black voters. Republican Attorney General John Ashcroft opposed racial integration and the appointment of African Americans to offices as Missouri governor and attorney general and has uttered pro-Confederate views.

    The Republican Party in general launched a strategy during the late 1960s to capture the southern racist vote by opposing affirmative action, supporting the rights of states like South Carolina to fly the Confederate flag in front of public buildings, and similar positions. Dubya Bush himself spoke before the segregationist Bob Jones University in South Carolina, genuflected before the Confederate flag...

    White House strategist Karl Rove also aided with the racist Horton ad and oversaw the racist 2000 South Carolina smear campaign against Sen. John McCain, which alluded to McCain's "black child," who actually is an adopted daughter from Bangladesh. While in Congress from 1979 until 1989, Dick Cheney opposed measures strengthening laws against housing discrimination and collecting hate-crime data. Cheney supported apartheid in the racist South African regime, even as it crumbled. Republican politicians in Georgia and South Carolina, such as Sonny Perdue, the new Republican governor of Georgia, were elected in 2002 on platforms that included "restoring pride" in the Confederate flag...

    Getting to Lott, Republicans still think highly enough of him to make Lott chairman of the Senate Rules Committee, despite his public banishment as Senate Majority Leader and a racist record that includes far more than a few errant comments. As our last elected president, Bill Clinton, recently said, "[Lott] just embarrassed [Republican leaders] by saying in Washington what they do on the back roads every day." And as Jack Hughes of evilGOPbastards.com writes, the majority of Republican senators who elected Lott as their leader "must either share his views [which were so often repeated that nobody could plead ignorance of Lott's sympathies], or were at the very least ˜comfortable' with a leader that held those beliefs."

    Indeed, many senators, such as new Majority Leader Bill Frist and Don Nickles, the first Senate Republican to call for Lott's resignation as majority leader – not because he's a racist but because it was giving Republicans bad publicity - have a civil rights voting record nearly identical to Lott, according to the NAACP. One of the worst – perhaps even worse than Lott – is Jefferson Sessions of Alabama. Sessions has called a black assistant U.S. attorney "boy" and a white civil rights attorney a "disgrace to his race." As a prosecutor, Sessions pursued civil rights workers on phony voter fraud charges. As Alabama attorney general, he again pursued allegations of voter fraud in African-American communities, looked the other way in Anglo communities, and refused to aggressively investigate burnings and bombings of black churches. He also said he thought KKK members were "OK" until he heard some might have smoked marijuana and charged the NAACP with being "un-American" and "Communist-inspired." Despite such a past, Bush and other Republicans have campaigned for Sessions.
sergeant

To be fair, I've seen some information that looks credible regarding those names, and much that certainly is not. What you want to do, take away their lunch money or something? Is this an admission or not? And NO sergent, they can have their ill begotten lunch money.

If you wish to discuss a particularly 'harmful' act that you believe a senator has done, then [I]bring it up. Noone is stopping you. And then what sergeant? You will likely counter with arguments showing all the good things the bigoted Senators and Congressmen have done for poor ole black folk, - like hiring black shoe shine boys! WASTE OF TIME seargent!

Now, this is how 'dialogue' goes. You 'state' something, or express something, like why you've decided to turn a blind eye and cherish the only 'provable' member of the kkk in the senate, and I'll be glad to hear you out. Nobody has turn a blind eye, you have yet to confront and admit to the very harmful policies the likes of Lester Maddox, George Wallace or Strom Thurman embraced that were viewed by black people at-large as bigoted and racist! Oh yes I forgot, black people wouldn't know a racist policy if you slapped them with it, - correct serg?

Now, I'd like to hear you explain that statement. Tell us why I'm entirely wrong in your view, especially since I haven't commented on the 'meaning' of anything as yet. YES YOU HAVE! You said and I quote "black folks TODAY honor and routinely vote for the party of the 'real' clansman, Senator Byrd, who can openly and publicly call people NIGGERS, and yet the congressional black caucus is wholly 'silent' about that, and routinely heap praise on him as [I]the 'elderly statesman," Are you now trying to say that your statement "Senator Byrd, who can openly and publicly call people NIGGERS" is without meaning? Oh stupid little kraaaal, even after b!tch slapping the bastard he still can't see meaning, - what a dumb little colored boy!

"I do not agree just to 'get along" A serg, I'm sure I don't have to tell you, you never have to get along with me, but are you sure about that BOOTLICKIN?

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