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ALLPEOPLE...

There is an old OutKast song that said:
This Shit Here Must Stop!

The One-Drop Rule, properly understood, was one that was IMPOSED upon this nation and, in particular, The "Black" Community. Irrespective of Blood Content, out of circumstance if not out of compassion, the "BlacK" Community by far has been the most accepting. But here's the deal:
    Here you are on this website speaking the under the pretense as if it is the "Black" Community that's [most] in need of this message.
Double-D, has already addressed that... So, back to this One-Drop Rule thing.

There is nothing that has been said here that says a person of "mixed" heritage, no matter how many generations, can't or shouldn't identify however they like. No one here, for sure, is holding anyone to some percentage mixture saying at such and such a measure that person is "Black" and holding the person to it.

The observations here are clear. The history is even clearer. Hell, they even made a movie about it: The Human Stain. "Passing" is a historically documented phenomenon, spurred by that One-Drop Rule that's still in effect. A person's ancestrial heritage isn't gauged when they are Racial Profiled either by police, cab drivers, store security, etc.

There is no "Mixed Race" Card for those things.
And, again, it certainly isn't Black people holding people to identifying one way or the other.

Hmmm.... Let's see? Did Tiger Woods get death threats because he was "Mixed"? We know that's hardly the case. He can identify however he wants to, but "Black" as a social construction has hardly been about strict bloodline measurements.

It has been about the Black Experience of a people, even an extremely mixed heritage people, who were grouped together through no absolute cause of their own but, again, by circumstance.

Sally Hemings children were "mixed" but they still lived that Black Experience -Part "oppression" and a lot of embrace irrespective of their blood-count.

Vin Deisel was never forced to identify himself as a Black Actor. So all this BS is sorely misplaced here. As suggested, go try that on a "White" website and try to hold those ideas of yours (the underlying ones) as self-evident and, most of all, relevant then come back and give us a report.

Also, I would like to see someone actually answer to Double-D's question. This was not and answer:
quote:
This is an issue of people coming to a realization that they should not being afraid of nor ashamed to embrace the totality of their FULL lineage.
Beyond why someone would be "afraid", what does embracing the "totality of ones FULL lineage" entail? What does it require?

And, back to that thing again, when and where is this being sold to "White" Americans who have devalued their own ethnic heritage for that age-old White Privilege.

Please speak at length on all of that...
It would seem the White Community would be the place to start with all that. Historically they have had the toughest time with recognizing and embrace people different from them and accepting people in their bloodline family, etc. See Essie Mae Washington and Sally Hemings descendants.
Please feel free to make yourself aware fo the following:

1) If you want to have an intellecual conversation with me -- you are hereby
advised to communicate with me without the low-brow tactics ofsing swear words.

2) Everyone is more than aware that many people in "the Black Community"
have, of late and for whatever reason (ignorance perhaps?, who knows),
chosen to "bow their knee in subjectation to" the racist one-drop rul.

The point of my thread was that those of us who are not ashamed
to be multi-generationally multiracially-mixed should not allow
ourselves to feel socially pressured to "choose to acknowledge
your lineage" --or-- "choose to acknowledge your ethnicity"
(particularly seeing that BOTH of them are already 'multi'-racial).

Why anyone would take pride in voluntarily subjegating themselves to any concept
as racist as the 'One-Drop Rule' and call it 'an expression of ethnic pride'
(when in reality, they are simply epressing shame in being of 'multi'-racial
lineage) -- and, ono top of everything else, try to argue with those of us who
say (and prove) that "true ethnic pride" is being willing to tell the truth
about your 'ethnic heritage and lineage' -- which, in this case means owing
up to the genetically tested and proven, as well as historically documented,
fact that the majority (+70) of the people who belong to the ETHNIC group
(it's not a 'racial' group we are taklking about here, it's an 'ethnic' group) known
as 'African-American' (AA) are 'Multi'-racially MIXED NOT 'mono'-racially BLACK.

Now listen -- if you are born to two AA parents, the chances
of you actually being 'mono'-racailly Black are pretty low
(and almost any actual African will let you know that in a heartbeat).

There is nothing wrong with the fact that many of you are Mixed
(and that your family has been throughout your generations)!

At least 'Mixed', by definition of being 'multi'-racial alone, incorporates 'Black'
-- while 'Black', by definition of being 'mono'-racial alone, excludes 'Mixed'

Which group seems to be 'exlusive' now?
Hmmmm? Did you ever think about that?

You can still adhere to a "black" socio-political "identity" even
if you choose to admit to and not be ashamed of the fact that you are
'multi'-racially Mixed person and not 'mono'-racially Black person.

Thusv -- instead of sitting around falsely accusing those of us who are not afraid
or ashamed to tell the truth about our FULL lineage -- some of you need to
"STOP 'PASSING' AS BLACK" and simply have the courage to PUBLICLY ADMIT that
you, your parents and your grandparents (and probaly a lot of other ancestors)
ARE, in fact, a 'Multi'-racially MIXED person and NOT 'mono'-racially BLACK.

Geez -- Get over it!!!

For more information -- see the links listed below:

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed


quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:

ALLPEOPLE...

There is an old OutKast song that said:
This **** Here Must Stop!

The One-Drop Rule, properly understood, was one that was IMPOSED upon this nation and, in particular, The "Black" Community. Irrespective of Blood Content, out of circumstance if not out of compassion, the "BlacK" Community by far has been the most accepting.

... back to this One-Drop Rule thing ...

The observations here are clear. The history is even clearer. ... A person's ancestrial heritage isn't gauged when they are Racial Profiled ...

"Black" as a social construction has hardly been about strict bloodline measurements.

It has been about the Black Experience of a people, even an extremely mixed heritage people, who were grouped together through no absolute cause of their own but, again, by circumstance.

Sally Hemings children were "mixed" but they still lived that Black Experience -Part "oppression" and a lot of embrace irrespective of their blood-count.

Vin Deisel was never forced to identify himself as a Black Actor. So all this BS is sorely misplaced here. As suggested, go try that on a "White" website and try to hold those ideas of yours (the underlying ones) as self-evident and, most of all, relevant then come back and give us a report.

Also, I would like to see someone actually answer to Double-D's question. This was not and answer:
quote:
This is an issue of people coming to a realization that they should not being afraid of nor ashamed to embrace the totality of their FULL lineage.
Beyond why someone would be "afraid", what does embracing the "totality of ones FULL lineage" entail? What does it require? ...

Please speak at length on all of that...
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quote:
2) Everyone is more than aware that many people in "the Black Community"
have, of late and for whatever reason (ignorance perhaps?, who knows),
chosen to "bow their knee in subjectation to" the racist one-drop rul.
BULLSHIT!! And that's for both the BULLSHIT low-brow fallacious claim and your BULLSHIT about "wanting to communicate" to you.
I will try one last time:

What do you & those who share your passion for recognizing multi-racial lineage want to accomplish by making the public declaration that they are "mixed"?

If you are secure in your announcement of being "mixed", why do you care if other people of African descent co-sign it?

Is there a political or social agenda behind the movement to recognize multi-racial lineage beyond the bounds of your family? Will acknowledging the multi-racial designation assist the "black socio-political"(your words) agenda in any way?

I think you're catching heat here because you aren't answering the questions asked of you. You said "get over it" - we're telling you we are over it. You seem to be stuck on us validating your view of multi-racial bloodlines. You've posted essentially the same response 5+ times. Obviously, we don't see the answer to our questions.

Again, once we admit we are "mixed", then what?
Most other Africans...

I live in NY and encounter Africans from many countries (Nigeria, Gambia, Kenya, etc.) on a regular basis. Most of them say I look Fulani and claim to be able to pinpoint the country of origin (on the Continent) in other Africans in America that they see.

...it's that anecdote into argument thing again.
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Is there a political or social agenda behind the movement to recognize multi-racial lineage beyond the bounds of your family? Will acknowledging the multi-racial designation assist the "black socio-political"(your words) agenda in any way?


I haven't been following this thread closely; but, yes there a political or social agenda behind the movement to recognize multi-racial lineage.

It is to dilute the numbers. Plain and simple.

Like Connally's movement to bar the governmental collection of racial data. Without collecting the data, systemic discrimination is impossible to prove.
Well then ... my dear ... perhaps 'you'
are 'not' one of the 70% of the people
who are of the African-American ethnic
group who are, in fact, in a lineage that
is multi-genrationally multi-racially
mixed (mgm-mixed) -- but rather,
are part of the -30% which are not.

Keep in mind that I said 70% of the
AAs were mgm-mixed, not 100% of them.

Just because you are a part of the AA
ethnic grouping does 'not' mean that
your are mgm-mixed -- anymore than
being mgm-mixed would make you an AA.

There are many groups which are also
mgm-mixed and of part-black ancestry
-- yet they are not mgm-mixed groups.

Examples of such include latinos and arabs.

Just like most AAs, their ancestry includes
black-admixture AND they are also mgm-mixed.

They are not, however, of the AA ethnicity.

For more information on exactly 'who'
is a part of the AA ethnicity and
'how' they are such -- once again
-- see the sites listed below.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by Isome:

Most other Africans...

I live in NY and encounter Africans from many countries (Nigeria, Gambia, Kenya, etc.) on a regular basis. Most of them say I look Fulani and claim to be able to pinpoint the country of origin (on the Continent) in other Africans in America that they see.

...it's that anecdote into argument thing again.
Lawd, I have a nose so hooked up, you'd think the whole chief was in it and I wear it with pride and ain't nothin' but African. Bunches of us have it here. What is never talked about is the 80% of "white" folks that have African relatives and the "white" folks that never MENTION their African blood in this country. One thing I've never heard in MY LIFE is a "white" person mention "I'm part black". They mention every race but that. America is nothin but lies; heaps of them. Doesn't matter the racial makeup. No one's better than anyone else. Richer maybe, better looking maybe, but NO ONE'S BETTER.
quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
Well then ... my dear ... perhaps 'you'
are 'not' one of the 70% of the people
who are of the African-American ethnic
group who are, in fact, in a lineage that
is multi-genrationally multi-racially
mixed (mgm-mixed) --


That (yeah, that quoted section of your response) is why if I want an intellectual conversation, I will not post to you. You have consistently missed the point of numerous posts in this thread.

The point was, MGM, FGM, or not, some Africans believe they know from whence your ancestors originated. If you knew my lineage, you wouldn't foolishly try to bolster your false statement.
There is no moral weight to biological race.

The agenda of the multiracial activists is clear. They think it is morally superior to claim two (or three) races instead of one.

The purpose of creating a multiracial category is to destroy the other categories. In other words, to destroy the white race, the black race and all other races except the 'multiracial race'.

That sounds to me like a theory of racial superiority. So I don't buy it.
In answer to your question -- here is 'what'
-- some of you would stop being so ashamed
of the fact of your 'multi'-racial lineage
and of your non-Black ancestors that you'd
be willing to stop going through life trying
to pass as a 'mono'-racial AND you would
understand that you can still hold on to a
"black" socio-political "identity" without
feeling the need to falsify your ancestry
and hide and deny your FULL lineage.

You are still a person of the
African-American 'ethnicity'
-- regardless of whether you
are of a 'multi'-racial lineage (+70%)
or of a 'mono'-racial lineage (+30%).

Can't you just be proud to be a member
of 'our' Ethnic group and to be a person
of a "black" socio-political "identity"
-- without having to feel this strange
need to falsify your lineage; deny your
ancestry and downplay your heritage?

The great thing about the African-American (AA)
'Ethnicity' is that it can and does embrace
the fact that it's members can be fully
united under our singular 'Ethnic' banner
-- regardless of our lineage and ancestry.

Whether we are of a 'mono'-racial or of
a 'multi'-racial lineage -- the important
thing is that we are ALL of the AA Ethnicity.

As AAs we should be able to accept the fact
that SOME of us are of a 'multi'-racial
admixed ancestry and others of us are
of a 'mono'-racial non-admixed ancestry.

Those who are of a 'multi'-racial ancestry
should feel that they are supported as
AAs -- just as much would those who
are of 'mono'-racial ancestry.

Unfortunately, so many people do not seem
to understand the fact that having a "black"
socio-political "identification" IS NOT
the same as being a 'mono'-racially
'Black' person (nor must it be).

In addition, they do not understand that
RACE and ETHNICITY are NOT the same
thing -- thus a person CAN be of the
AA "Ethnic" grouping ---yet- does not
have to be fully of the Black "Race.

Also, they do not seem to comprehend that
RACE and socio-political IDENTTITY are
NOT the same thing -- thus, a person can
be of a socio-political "black" IDENTITY
-- yet remain very open about the fact
that their RACIAL lineage is composed
of 'multiple' ancestral groupings.

Do you get it?

Again -- you don't' have to be 'mono'-racially
Black in order to be of the AA Ethnicity or
to be of a "black" socio-political "identity".

If we (the AAs) want to have TRUE UNITY --
as a people -- then we must stop working
to try to force ALL of 'our' people to take
on the 'racial' lineage of some other people
AND we must let ALL AAs know that they
(and their entire ancestry and lineage)
will find themselves welcomed in and supported
as a part of the community -- without feeling
a need to deny any part of who they or their
family are -- regardless of whether their
lineage is 'multi'-racial or is 'mono'-racial.

Can you understand now what
I have been saying to you?

If there is 'an agenda' here at all ----
that agenda is the TRUE UNITY of ALL of 'my'
people, (the African-Americans) -- A UNITY,
that is, that does not include the behavior
of falsely believing their is some sort
of strange 'pride' to be felt in trying to
pressure part of us (+70%) to feel some strange
need to "deny our ancestry" and go through life
trying to falsely "pass" ourselves off as being
a 'mono'-racial Black person (or people) in
order to proudly proclaim that we (and the
ancestors who brought us into being) are a
part of the African-American 'Ethnicity'.

Once we, the AAs, are truly UNITED as a people
and openly accept the fact that some of us are
of ˜mono'-racial heritage while still others
are of ˜multi'-racial heritage – we can
lead the way in helping ˜oppressed people'
(both our own and others) all over the world.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

-- AllPeople

P.S. It's not just 'my' family that is impacted
by this -- it is more than 70% of all AAs who
are also impacted by this erroneous and racist
concept that "if you are not or do not claim to
be 'mono'-racially Black, then you cannot be
seen as being truly, fully and proudly AA"

quote:
Originally posted by ddouble:

What do you & those who share your passion for recognizing multi-racial lineage want to accomplish by making the public declaration that they are "mixed"?... why do you care if other people of African descent co-sign ...?

Is there a political or social agenda behind the movement to recognize multi-racial lineage beyond the bounds of your family? Will acknowledging the multi-racial designation assist the "black socio-political"(your words) agenda in any way? ...

Again, once we admit we are "mixed", then what?
No – you are incorrect here.

The number of African-Americans
(AAs) WILL NOT and CANNOT become
˜diluted' by acknowledgment of the
fact that many of us are and have been
mixed-race 'throughout' the multiple
generations of our familial lineage.

We (multi-racial AAs) are still listed
as being of the AA "ethnic" group
-- regardless of our ancestry.

Again -- you don't have to be
BLACK in order to be an AA.

The term BLACK is in reference to
one's RACE -- while being of the AA
ETHNICITY, means that a person can
be of any or no 'admixture' of races.

The reason that the numbers WILL NOT
and HAVE NOT become ˜diluted' was quite
clearly proven in the last (2000) census.

It is a fact that even though the
"multi"-racial category was added
to the Census Form during the 2000
Census, those who listed themselves as
'multi'-racial and then broke it down into
the specific groups that made up their lineage
-- were STILL counted by the Census as BLACK
if they listed any part Black ancestry at all.*

Thus --- particularly for those of you
who have believed the 'urban legend'
that having people acknowledge their
FULL lineage would 'reduce the numbers'
--- "the numbers" remained the same.

The concept of making sure that members of
the AA Ethnic group do not feel a need to
hide, deny or minimize the fact of their
˜multi'-racial lineage is not part of some
political agenda to 'dilute the numbers' of AAs
(or even 'Blacks') found in the United States.

It is part of an attempt (at least on my
part and on the part of many others) to get my
people to UNITE as an Ethnic grouping of people.

This "Ethnic" UNITY should be one can be proud
of ALL of it's members without trying to take
on some other group's RACIAL makeup -- under
the falsehood of ˜ethnic pride' when we all
know that to feel forced to deny any part of
yourself is a actually sign of ˜shame' and
not a sign of ˜pride' (of any sort) at all.

For more information on this see the article
and the resource links found listed below.

*Article:
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/509877/

(Article Summary:
"Per Cornell University Professor of Sociology,
David Harris, the system is set up so that
in tabulating race data -- multiracial
self-reporting is often defaulted
back into a single race category.")

Resources:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

quote:
Is there a political or social agenda behind the movement to recognize multi-racial lineage ...?


I haven't been following this thread closely;
but, yes there a political or social agenda behind
the movement to recognize multi-racial lineage.

It is to dilute the numbers. Plain and simple.
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At no point were any of my statements false.

From the very beginning I made it abundantly
clear that every single AA was not Mixed-race
-- and that 70%, however, are Mixed-race.

Why does this confuse you?

quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
Well then ... my dear ... perhaps 'you'
are 'not' one of the 70% of the people
who are of the African-American ethnic
group who are, in fact, in a lineage that
is multi-genrationally multi-racially
mixed (mgm-mixed) --


That (yeah, that quoted section of your response) is why if I want an intellectual conversation, I will not post to you. You have consistently missed the point of numerous posts in this thread.

The point was, MGM, FGM, or not, some Africans believe they know from whence your ancestors originated. If you knew my lineage, you wouldn't foolishly try to bolster your false statement.
Have you bothered to read this entire thread
or to visit any of the sites recommended?

Using your same rationale -- as a
mixed-race person -- I could very
easily claim that there is 'an agenda'
going on to try to make every single
person of the African-American
"ethnicity" -- (an ethnicity which
is +70% 'multi'-racial, by the way)
-- feel some sort of social obligation
to falsely claim themselves to be
'mono'-racial Black (despite the
fact that their family has
been continually mixed-race
for multiple generations).

It's not about being BLACK --it's about
being an AA -- and many, many, many people
are in fact quite proudly AAs -- yet they
are not 'mono'-racial BLACKS and will not
"bow their knee" in submission to the
white racism of the 'One Drop Rule'.

It utterly amazes me that there are AAs who
are proud to submit themselves to the white
racism of the 'One Drop Rule' and expect the
rest of us to participate in such behavior.

SAY IT LOUD -- 100% African-American, and I
am also Mixed-race and, yes, I AM still very,
very PROUD (yes, I carry no shame at all in
regards to my lineage and never, ever will)!

Smile

quote:
Originally posted by Cobb:
There is no moral weight to biological race.

The agenda of the multiracial activists is clear. They think it is morally superior to claim two (or three) races instead of one.

The purpose of creating a multiracial category is to destroy the other categories. In other words, to destroy the white race, the black race and all other races except the 'multiracial race'.

That sounds to me like a theory of racial superiority. So I don't buy it.
quote:
Originally posted by Cobb:

There is no moral weight to biological race.
And this is what ALLPEOPLE fails to see. One's bloodline lineage does not directly correlate to "Who You Are". IDENTITY is not so much a question of "biology" (as we know by dead-beat dad's, etc.) but much more about CULTURE. And to reflect on that Fact-of-Life, I present this:
quote:
Who you are today is directly related to the family that raised you and the country from which they came.

http://www.milforded.org/schools/westshore/agekas/wq/immigration.html
That's a quote from an Immigration website. On another forum, I posted it in a debate with a White guy who makes a similar argument to AP; he wants to "Get Rid of Race" (at least, so-called singular ones) too. And his is ColorBLIND... In One Eye, that is.

Needless to say, his motives for doing so were clearly to depreciate Black Identity; and he, too, wrapped all his arguments in biology to the exclusion of culture.

The biology of "multi-racialism" is hardly relevant, particularly for those who are not presently within such "multi-racial" situations because all human beings live in/within a culture. Typically, people are either creatures/products of their own culture or objects in someone else's.

In the US there is no "multi-racial" framework that functions as a culture. Only some vague concepts about acknowledging one's "Full Biological Lineage". Outside of that empty rhetoric, there is no core belief system. At least not one distinguishable from the prevailing, "dominant" White culture - my White "ColorBLIND" friend, as a prime example.

We've already seen the fruits of that MEMO.

But, if "multi-racialism" is something different from the WHITE Status Quo, in substantive terms, then AP... please tell us how it is? Tell us how it will dismantle White Supremacy.

I mean, Dead Beat Dad's are proof that "biology" amounts to nothing that should ever be taken as an automatic thing to regard or "embrace". Again:
Who you are today is directly related to the family that raised you.

But under you inane logic, Essie Mae Washington should not be "ashamed" that her biological father was an active participant in the system that oppressed the actual family that raised her.

quote:
Can't you just be proud to be a member
of 'our' Ethnic group and to be a person
of a "black" socio-political "identity"
-- without having to feel this strange
need to falsify your lineage; deny your
ancestry and downplay your heritage?
Who has "falsified" their lineage here, AP?
quote:
SAY IT LOUD -- 100% African-American
You're confusing, conflating Biology and Ethnicity/Culture.

One critical and typical (speciously motivated) error.

Please find a new fallacy to evoke.
Again, you expose yourself by presenting this BS on this site when, by sense of need or urgency alone, your efforts would be best spent and directed at our "White" brothers and sisters.

But we know that's not even in your *agenda*...
It is actually 'you', and not AllPeople,
who has 'failed to see', a great deal here.

One's choice of socio-political "identification" ---
(which means 'where you choose to stand
from a socio-political perspective'
-- not 'how others see you' ... in case
you are confused by what the phrase
"socio-political identification" means)
is NOT a 'question of biology'.

Millions of people who have 1/2 or less Black
bloodlines and openly refer to their lineage
as 'Mixed' (i.e. 'multi'-racial) STILL choose
to "identity" (socio-politically) as "black".

In addition -- there is no need to or basis for
comparing me to these people who claim to
be 'colorblind' or want a 'colorless' society.

Clearly I am a person who celebrates
ALL aspects of their ethnicity --
thus I would not fit into such a category.

Also, your statement that "In the US there is no
"multi-racial" framework that functions as
a culture" -- is simply completely UNTRUE.

There is such a framework -- and again, it is
called the African-American ETHNIC grouping.

Many of you seem to wonder why I insist that
those African-Americans (AA) who are of a
Mixed-race lineage have the courage to
publicly embrace and acknowledge this fact
-- yet none of you have explained 'your'
desire that every AA, whether 'mono'-racially
Black' or not, falsely claim to be such.

Can you not understand that a person can make
the choice to have a socio-political "identity"
which is "black" (i.e. pan-African) without
pretending to be a 'mono'-racial Black person
(i.e. going through life "passing" as Black")?

Here is a question for you .... "What's wrong
with a person being proud to be 100% AA and
also proud to a 'multi'-racial as well?"

quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cobb:

There is no moral weight to biological race.
And this is what ALLPEOPLE fails to see. One's bloodline lineage does not directly correlate to "Who You Are". IDENTITY is not so much a question of "biology" (as we know by dead-beat dad's, etc.) but much more about CULTURE. And to reflect on that Fact-of-Life, I present this:
quote:
Who you are today is directly related to the family that raised you and the country from which they came.

http://www.milforded.org/schools/westshore/agekas/wq/immigration.html
That's a quote from an Immigration website. On another forum, I posted it in a debate with a White guy who makes a similar argument to AP; he wants to "Get Rid of Race" (at least, so-called singular ones) too. And his is ColorBLIND...
Typically, people are either creatures/products of their own culture or objects in someone else's.

In the US there is no "multi-racial" framework that functions as a culture. ...
Who you are today is directly related to the family that raised you. ...
To be honest with you -- I am not the
one who is confusing anything here.

Not only have I -- multiple times --
provided definitions, resources,
sources, links, websites, etc.
-- but I have also, at length,
explained my point concerning
the truth of the FULL lineage
of the majority (+70%) of the
people who are members of the
African-American ethnic group.

Perhaps 'if' you would bother
to refer to and check out at
least 'some' of the information
I have provided to you -- you
would be able to grasp at least
some compehension of what has
been presented to you thouroughly.

Here goes ....

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
quote:
SAY IT LOUD -- 100% African-American
You're confusing, conflating Biology and Ethnicity/Culture.

One critical and typical (speciously motivated) error...
quote:
To be honest with you -- I am not the
one who is confusing anything here.
You shall know them by their rhetoric. bsm

Nice qualifier... though. I'm sure you're "honest" now that you've said that. Though you persist, I'll just take your (face value) word for it.

quote:
Who you are is directly related to the family that raised you
All biological parents not needed. "Raising" is a Cultural vs. Biological process. GET A CLUE.

Oh and those pictures... Let's just say they don't say anything sufficient (let alone relevant) in all their thousand words.

Thanks for playing... sck
quote:
Clearly I am a person who celebrates
ALL aspects of their ethnicity --
thus I would not fit into such a category.
Needless to say, [your] motives for doing so were clearly to depreciate Black Identity

If that is not the case, then you would have made this statement:
You can still hold on to a
"black" socio-political "identity" without
feeling the need to falsify your ancestry
and hide and deny your FULL lineage.


Again, the Confusion is there.

I asked you who here has "falsified" their "lineage". You apparently have no answer for that. But I guess that made you feel like you had a point. So it didn't matter that there was No Truth to it; nothing that you could actually establish or demonstrate by what anyone has actually said here.

You automatically depreciate Black Identity by this selective mission of yours to do exactly what COBB said: Present Multi-Racialism as something "Superior" To Black/African-American Identity.

You know, it's not "FULL" unless every little biological microchip from over the thousands of years a person's family tree can go back (hmmm.... Are you counting the ethnicities, etc. before Coming To America?... ALL OF THEM?) is acknowledged and, apparently, given equal weight and emphasis for the sake of claiming, superficially, "FULLNESS"?

Please...

Your unproveable claim that we falsify our lineage shows your intent and effort to depreciate Black/African-American Identity.
Merely claiming that one can choose to embrace an even spurious and Dead-Beat part of one's Biological Lineage (you know, the one most of us are supposedly "ashamed" of) and still be socio-politically "Black" in no wise establishes how that can and is accomplished. Saying there are people who do it, in no wise establishes that it can be and is being accomplished. That's why this question you left unanswered was, unanswered:

quote:
In the US there is no "multi-racial" framework that functions as a culture. Only some vague concepts about acknowledging one's "Full Biological Lineage". Outside of that empty rhetoric, there is no core belief system...

But, if "multi-racialism" is something different from the WHITE Status Quo, in substantive terms, then AP... please tell us how it is? Tell us how it will [how it proposes to] dismantle White Supremacy.
Let's see you step beyond rhetoric and show how "multi-racialism", as you articulate it, addresses the whole idea of White Supremacy.

Simply, your FULL LINEAGE theology (because it's like a religion; you just "believe" in the power) is steeped in Tragic Mulatto-isms. But, if I'm wrong, then you should be able to speak convincingly at lengths about how your brand of "multi-racialism" coincides with the Black/African/Afrocentric Worldview.

The topic/question is: WHITE SUPREMACY.

Since you say you "celebrate ALL aspects of your ethnicity", explain how you reconcile that with, how that perspective interprets and informs your view on WHITE SUPREMACY.

That will establish what you claim about being able to maintain a Black "socio-political" identity while being [fully] "multi-racial".
WHEN, if ever, are you going to develop the
courage to join (or at least take a look at)
the sites that I have repeatedly posted?

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

It's sad --really, really sad -- the
way you see my lineage as a threat.

Hey -- kiddo -- just face it -- I AM NOT a
'mono'-racially BLACK person -- but rather I AM
'multi'-racially MIXED AND am also 100% of the
AFRICAN-AMERICAN Ethnicity as well AND I think
that it's great that both statements are true.

If 'the facts' concerning my existence (and that of millions and
millions of other people who are 100% African-American) threatens
you -- there is really nothing at all I can do to help you.

Perhaps your only option is to continue your futile attempts to try to
pressure people to continue "passing as Black" (even when they are not).

At least as a 'multi'-racially Mixed person, 'my' lineage
(by definition alone) also emcompasses Black admixture
(as, by definition, 'multi'-racialism accepts one's FULL lineage)
-- while your precious 'mono'-racial Black status, on the other
hand, (by definition alone) excludes any type of admixture at all.

Hmmmm ... it seems to me that to include and acknowledge
ALL of a person's ancestry sounds far less prejudiced
than to include only 'one' portion of their ancestry.

Well ... anyway ...keep in touch.

quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:

[QUOTE] "Clearly I am a person who
celebrates ALL aspects of their ethnicity --

You can still hold on to a "black"
socio-political "identity" without
feeling the need to falsify your ancestry
and hide and deny your FULL lineage."


--AllPeople
quote:
WHEN, if ever, are you going to develop the courage to join (or at least take a look at) the sites that I have repeatedly posted?
Ha! Dude, if you can't speak to how your "multi-racial" Worldview (assuming you have one) addresses WHITE SUPREMACY - i.e. the history and current socio-political/economic INEQUALITY forged by granting [the most] privilege to White Skin/Elites (a very pressing and present issue for those of genuine, determined "Black socio-political Indentity") - then "there is really nothing at all I can do to help you" and you've exposed your "multi-racialism" for what it is: Exactly what people here have suspected.

quote:
Perhaps your only option is to continue your futile attempts to try to pressure people to continue "passing as Black"...
AP, don't make me laugh so hard, while shaking my head at how easy you are.

"Pressuring People"...
Ummm... Me? When?
YOU? Here:
When are you going to develop the courage to join?

See... I'm not the one trying to attract new members (or keep old ones). That whole membership thingy has everything to do with your lonely torment. Ironically, you're here on this site trying to convince people who supposedly "falsly" label themselves as "mono-racial" to JOIN you (or, truth be told, to relinquish their "Black Indentity" and the AGITATION that goes with it)... and NOT the other way around. That is, no one here (I'm sure) goes around to "multi-racial" boards and "pressures" people there to do anything.

But, as always, there are at least TWO SIDES...
Funny how the "pressure" from White society never comes up. Hmmm... Tragic Mulatto, indeed.

Yep! Just like the "ColorBLIND" elements in the White Community, you want to assault "Black Indentity" and maintain White Supremacy By Any Means Necessary, by design or default.

(Note: My friend postulates that we can/should "FUCK Our Way Out Of This" via becoming more and more "mixed". Striking isn't it? The similarities between you and he. And he, too, took a nose-dive on addressing WHITE SUPREMACY. Just like you, he didn't want to address it. Hmmm....)


Anyway, on that "courage" thing... Better rhetoric please.
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1) Please be advised that, just as I am a ˜multi-generational
multi-racial' person who is 100% of the African-American
˜Ethnic' group (and not a ˜mono'-racial person of the Black
˜Race' group) -- I am also a woman (and not a 'dude').

2) Feel free to become aware of the fact that it is 'you' (via your
constant "bowing the knee to the racist, white supremacist concept
of the One-Drop-Rule") who has (quite voluntarily, I might add)
submitted yourself to the concept of 'white supremacy'

3) Work to understand the fact that I, as a person who acknowledged,
embraces and celebrates in the FACT of my 'multi'-ancestral lineage
(rather than spending my life trying to "pass" as Black, White
or any other sort of 'mono'-racial -- clearly have, in my humble opinion,
a much healthier attitude regarding issues of "race" and "racial admixture".

4) Try to accept the fact that 'you' are the person who is accepting the concept
of "racial supremacy" -- for, as a 'multi'-racially mixed person who is 100%
of the African-American 'Ethnicity', 'I' will never allow myself to see 'any'
group (not the 'mono'-racial Whites, Blacks or any other) as 'supreme' to me.

5) Feel free to claim to be ˜mono'-racially Black, if you'd like (regardless
of whether you or actually of ˜multi' or ˜mono' racial lineage) – as whatever
it is that you ˜claim' to be is most certainly your choice --- but, do try
to understand that one does not have to be a ˜mono'-racial Black
in order to lay claim to a "black" socio-political "identity".

In other words, there are many, many, many ˜multi'-racial individuals
who have chosen to "identify" as "black" – in the socio-political sense
of the word – but are absolutely NEVER going stop acknowledging,
proclaiming and even embracing the truth of their ˜multi'-racial lineage
--- and there is nothing that you can do or say (including name calling,
false accusations and other trite actions) to make them ever feel that
they have to go through life "passing" as being a ˜mono'-racial
Black in order to choose a "black" socio-political "identity".

Anyway, I hope you have a great day and can manage to loose what appears
to be a feeling of threat by my right to acknowledge my FULL lineage.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
WHEN, if ever, are you going to develop the courage to
join (or at least take a look at) the sites that I have repeatedly posted?
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Ha! Dude, if you can't speak to how your "multi-racial" Worldview
(assuming you have one) addresses ... then "there is really nothing at
all I can do to help you" and you've exposed your "multi-racialism"
for what it is: Exactly what people here have suspected.
quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
Perhaps your only option is to continue your futile attempts
to try to pressure people to continue "passing as Black"...
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
AP, don't make me laugh so hard, while shaking my head ....
quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
When are you going to develop the courage to join?
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
... no one here (I'm sure) goes around to "multi-racial" boards ....
Anyway, on that "courage" thing...
quote:
In other words, there are many, many, many ˜multi'-racial individuals
who have chosen to "identify" as "black" – in the socio-political sense
of the word – but are absolutely NEVER going stop acknowledging,
proclaiming and even embracing the truth of their ˜multi'-racial lineage
--- and there is nothing that you can do or say (including name calling,
false accusations and other trite actions) to make them ever feel that
they have to go through life "passing" as being a ˜mono'-racial
Black in order to choose a "black" socio-political "identity".
I'm not interested in how you feel about being Black and how you feel you can do that and still be "multi-racial". I did, however, ask you plainly what does your "multi-racialism", the philosophy/ideology that it is, the Worldview that it is... what does it, what do you say about WHITE SUPREMACY in terms of the social, political and economic INEQUALITIES that were forged by America's RACIST History and are perpetuated currently via systematic and structural forces/institutions?

Given you have no answer or just refuse to do anything but speak about trivial BS, then, as you say: "Please be advised"... YOU ARE EXPOSED!

Also, please GET A CLUE!

You claimed you could "claim Black Socio-Political Identity". I guess your "claim" is about as good a claim as me saying I own an island called Hawaii that I can sale you. You sure haven't produced anything that would suggest that you can or can even concieve of a "Black" socio-political Indentity.

Without talking about the Unequal Power Relationships WHITE Racism forges and perpetuates in terms of the long standing White Supremacy social order (of which Slavery and American Jim Crow APARTHEID Segregation were most indicative of), without talking about the Racial INEQUALITIES (social, political, economic, etc.) that persists and were never corrected when Segregation fell... without doing that then your claims are, obviously, empty ones.

WHITE SUPREMACY and RACISM existed before there was the pseudo-science of "Race" and pre-dates the One-Drop Rule.

Like I said... GET A CLUE.
Slavery wasn't started by employing the One-Drop Rule. That old Virginia law didn't measure of "multi" or "mono"-racial lineage.

GET A CLUE.
Forget the "racial" jazz, I'm still trying to find ONE document that says I'm an 'AMERICAN'. When I find it, I'll letchaknow.

So far, I've heard descriptions such as nigger, yard ape, refugee, evacuee, coon, M-I-N-O-R-I-T-Y, jigaboo, these people, those people, etc. Neva A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N. Maybe it's on a Passport. Don't have one yet. Europeans don't give one iota whatcha mixed with. They sold their "Mixed" babies straight up into slavery.
quote:
Originally posted by Norland:
Forget the "racial" jazz, I'm still trying to find ONE document that says I'm an 'AMERICAN'. When I find it, I'll letchaknow.

So far, I've heard descriptions such as nigger, yard ape, refugee, evacuee, coon, M-I-N-O-R-I-T-Y, jigaboo, these people, those people, etc. Neva A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N. Maybe it's on a Passport. Don't have one yet. Europeans don't give one iota whatcha mixed with. They sold their "Mixed" babies straight up into slavery.




That's what I'm talking about. You got it. I can name that tune. It's called dixie.

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