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In order to find out more about the
'multi'-racial / tri-racial (Black -
Amerindian - White) lineage of many
of the people who have two parents who
belong to the African-American 'Ethnicity',
simply click on the links listed below and
do a search on the word 'African-American'.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed /

AND

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/

AND

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed/
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td6 This topic sucks!! Self worshiping whites and other elitist wanta bes are the only ones foolish enough to get caught up in this preoccupation with how much white is in their lineage – we are not cattle. Intelligent blacks see it as the promotion of a caste system mentality that it really is. Self worshiping whites want nothing more than to have us assigning value to ourselves based upon their likeness. Another Willie Lynch tactic.
quote:
Originally posted by shemika:
td6 ... Self worshiping whites and other elitist wanta bes are the only ones foolish enough to get caught up in this preoccupation with how much white is in their lineage – we are not cattle. Intelligent blacks see it as the promotion of a caste system mentality ....


Clearly -- you did not bother to
visit ANY of the links provided.

(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed/)

Had you actually bothered to have even tried to
do so -- you probably would have saved yourself
a lot of embarassment by realizing that your
assumption-based statements have utterly
nothing whatsoever to do with 'this topic'.

In addition, it's also interesting to
me how you immediately focused only
on the topic of white (which indicates
that 'you' may actually be the one with
a 'white preoccupation') -- as, despite the
fact that +70 of AAs have +25% Amerindian
admixture, you didn't even bother to note
Amerindian admixture at all -- but rather,
you immediately went on to focus on what
appears to be 'your' topic of preoccupation.

Interesting ... very interesting ... Smile


By the way -- I am quite proudly 100%
of the African-American 'Ethnicity'
and also equally proudly of a fully
multi-generational tri-racial lineage!!


------------Say it loud---------
"I'm 100% African-American and also
fully tri-racially mixed and proud"!! Smile
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Originally posted by shemika:
...I didn't look at your site.


It looks similar to others I've seen, compleat with pictures of fair-skinned, light-eyed or long-haired people. There appears to me to be a preoccupation with how close to non-Black they are-- how recent the non-African parentage. This is evidenced by the multitude of confusing acronmyns designating whether it is one's parents or grandparents who are part of the interracial coupling.

quote:
... I don't believe I care for such a preoccupation regardless the labels.


You and me both. I detect that just beneath the surface (and I do mean just) of this pride and acceptance in all parts of their lineage is a disdain for the Black part and a strong desire to distance themselves from it, or at a minimum be seen as one of those special ones because of it.

It is much like Tiger Woods declaration of being a Cablinasian. Now, why the heck the caucasian comes first in his self-titled racial group is puzzling since his Dad is clearly of African descent and his mom is clearly Asian.

It's a sticky subject that can be downright yucky. *ha*
quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
... I detect that just beneath the surface (and I do mean just) of this pride and acceptance in all parts of their lineage is a disdain for the Black part and a strong desire to distance themselves from it, or at a minimum be seen as one of those special ones because of it.

It is much like Tiger Woods declaration of being a Cablinasian. Now, why the heck the caucasian comes first in his self-titled racial group is puzzling since his Dad is clearly of African descent and his mom is clearly Asian.


tfro You make some very wise observations sistah!
The frequent rape of Black slave women and their impregnation on the platation by ol' massa and those escaped slaves who made it into the Native America tribes have left their mark on Black America.

Another theory is the number of Black male slaves far outnumbered that of Black slave women until 1836 when the numbers began to equalize; prior to this many slave men took Native American women as wives and of course produced off-spring.

Native Americans were also platation slaves who worked right along side Blacks until the late 1700's.

The above was obtained from "Sex and Race" volumes 1-3 by A.J. Rogers.
quote:

Originally posted by Isome:
You and me both. I detect that just beneath the surface (and I do mean just) of this pride and acceptance in all parts of their lineage is a disdain for the Black part and a strong desire to distance themselves from it, or at a minimum be seen as one of those special ones because of it.


My African great-great grandmother on my mother's side was sold as a slave in Decatur, GA. Because she was separated from her family at that time, we have no idea who else we are related to.
My Sioux great-great grandmother on my father's side that wove a beautiful quilt that has been passed down in our family. Countless members of their tribe had been raped, killed and beaten, not to mention infected with disease by Europeans.
How exactly is it shameful of me to acknowledge that my lineage contains both African and Native American blood?
Actually -- you are not
telling the truth here at all.

In fact, when the sites were created --
the person who created the sites went out of
their way to purposely make sure that many of
the pictures selected that included those who
were of any part black-admixture also had
'dark' features (ex. skin, eyes, etc.)

So right there -- it proves that
you are not being truthful.

For the most part - the only
'light' individuals on the sites
were those who were "Ameriasians".

So either you can't tell the difference
between a person who is an "Amerasian"
and a "person of part-black admixture"
-- or -- you were purposefully being deceitful
-- or -- you simply glanced at the sites, made
your erroneous assumptions, then posted
said wrong assumptions on this thread.

If you had bothered to take a true look
at the sites (without your pre-judging,
bigoted assumptions) -- you would have
saved yourself the embarrassment of
having been exposed as being either
purposefully deceptive and/or too simply too
indolent to bother to truly check out the sites.

For those interested in actually checking out the sites
– without prejudgment and assumptions –
the links are listed as follows:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed /

AND

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/

AND

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed/


quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
quote:
Originally posted by shemika:
...I didn't look at your site.


It looks similar to others I've seen, compleat with pictures of fair-skinned, light-eyed or long-haired people. There appears to me to be a preoccupation with how close to non-Black they are-- how recent the non-African parentage. This is evidenced by the multitude of confusing acronmyns designating whether it is one's parents or grandparents who are part of the interracial coupling.

quote:
... I don't believe I care for such a preoccupation regardless the labels.


You and me both. I detect that just beneath the surface (and I do mean just) of this pride and acceptance in all parts of their lineage is a disdain for the Black part and a strong desire to distance themselves from it, or at a minimum be seen as one of those special ones because of it.

It is much like Tiger Woods declaration of being a Cablinasian. Now, why the heck the caucasian comes first in his self-titled racial group is puzzling since his Dad is clearly of African descent and his mom is clearly Asian.

It's a sticky subject that can be downright yucky. *ha*
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Smile

It is so good to meet an African-American
(AA) who is proud of ALL aspects of their
FULL lineage and do not feel some sort of
societal pressure-based 'obligation' to
acknowledge only one (1) portion of their
bloodline out of fear that they will be
falsely accused of 'being ashamed' or
'trying to deny' that portion if they
do not place it above or focus on it
to the denial of their other lineages.

Let it not be forgotten that while many of
our Amerindian ancestors risked their lives
helping our Black and Mixed-race ancestors
to escape from slavery -- in most cases
it was actually other Black people who had
captured and sold our Black ancestors into
slavery to the whites in the first place .

So many African-Americans are taught to focus
only on their Black ancestry and to ignore the
remaining 1/2 to 2/3 of their lineage for fear
of being falsely accuse of ˜not wanting to be
black' and/or of being a ˜colorist', etc.

Such allegations are so baseless, empty
and pathetic that it amazes me that people
still try to throw them at a person and
actually expect it to have the person
respond by no longer acknowledging the
obvious facts of their mixed-lineage.

Are these naysayers kidding me?

Do they honestly think that a person is
going to deny acknowledging their FULL
lineage simply due to a bunch of clearly
desperate, false and baseless accusations?

Remember:

More that 70% of people who have two parents
who belong to the ˜multi'-racial AA Ethnic
group -- have a familial lineage which is
+25% Amerindian and 20-30% European as well.

Both genetic tests and historical
record has repeatedly proven this.

Personally I am very proud of ALL three
(3) heritages found in my tri-racial lineage
(which, by the way, is the same lineage found
in more than 70% of all African-Americans).

No one will ever 'shame' me into denying that
my lineage is tri-racial nor will they ever
be able to 'pressure' me into attempting
to go through my life trying to "pass" as
being a 'mono'-racial person of any sort.

Personally -- I think it is pathetic
that so often when an African-American
(AA) stands up and publicly acknowledges
their lineage as being 'multi'-racial
(rather than trying to falsely "pass"
themselves off as being a 'mono'-racial")
--- some 'anti-multiracial bigot' or some
'pro-monoracial radical' attempts to stand
up and falsely accuse them of trying to deny,
ignore or downplay one (1) aspect of their
lineage (which is a lie) -- when in reality,
the person is simply embracing ALL aspects
of their lineage (which is the truth).

My advise for the +70% of the people who
are both born to two parents who are
both of the AA Ethnicity -- and -- are
also of a 'multi'-racial lineage is to
"Stop trying to "pass" yourself off as
being a 'mono'-racially 'Black' person
(or as any other sort of 'mono'-racial,
person or people grouping for that matter)
and simply accept and boldly embrace the fact
of the FULL racial-admixture of your lineage."

While it's perfectly acceptable to have
a 'socio-political' "identification" as
being 'black' (socio-politically) -- that
socio-political "identification" does not
ever have to lead to a denial, downplaying,
minimizing or ignoring the fact that one's
FULL lineage is truly 'multi'-racial.

-----------------------------------

For those interested in actually
checking out the sites simply visit:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed /
AND
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/
AND
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed/

quote:
Originally posted by Tannenisis:

My African great-great grandmother
on my mother's side was sold
as a slave in Decatur, GA.
Because she was separated from her
family at that time, we have no
idea who else we are related to.
My Sioux great-great grandmother on my
father's side that wove a beautiful quilt
that has been passed down in our family.
Countless members of their tribe had been
raped, killed and beaten, not to mention
infected with disease by Europeans.
How exactly is it shameful of me to
acknowledge that my lineage contains
both African and Native American blood?
quote:

Originally posted by Isome:

You and me both. I detect that just beneath the surface (and I do mean just) of this pride and acceptance in all parts of their lineage is a disdain for the Black part and a strong desire to distance themselves from it, or at a minimum be seen as one of those special ones because of it.
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My son is African, Sioux, Seminole, Irish, and Norwegian. His father is white.

My son is mistaken for Hispanic all the time because he is so fair. Now what should he tell people about his racial lineage? Is he supposed to say that he's Black and ignore the fact that his father's family came from Ireland in the 1940's? Will he be "distainful" of his black heritage if he acknowledges that he's mixed? Does he have to choose which one he is?

My two cents,
Tannenisis
That's an excellent point you have made.

In addition – we must keep in mind the
fact that simply because racist have,
for hundreds of years, attempted to
˜one-drop' ("rule") African-Americans
(AAs) out of the right to their own full
heritage; force them to deny their full
lineage; and coerce them into the
wrong so-called "racial" category ---
--- is no reason whatsoever for
people of the largely 'multi'-racial
African-American Ethnicity to thus,
follow the same footsteps of said
racists and to, of their own volition,
take such action against themselves, their
ancestors, their lineage and their heritage.

Absorbing the behavior of our oppressors
(ex. becoming a ˜one-droppist') is not a
sign of Ethnic or Racial pride so much as
it is a sign of Ethnic and Racial shame and
of succumbing to the wishes of those who
would deny us public acknowledgement of and
connection to what is truly our FULL heritage.

Related Link:

http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-02/12-18-02/a12op061.htm

Also – the fair complexion of her son is likely
indicative of BOTH his ˜white' father's lineage
AND of ˜Tannenisis's' very own ˜multi-racial
(black –and- amerindian) lineage as well.

If ˜Tannenisis' were a person who
was fully of the ˜mono'-racially
˜Black' Race (rather than a person
who is of the ˜multi'-racial
˜African-American' Ethnicity)
her son (who is half-white) would
likely have been far darker or
far less ˜fair' in appearance.

His fair appearance is likely another
indication of her ˜multi'-racial lineage.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed /
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FGM-Mixed/

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Originally posted by Tannenisis:

My son is African, Sioux, Seminole, Irish, and Norwegian. His father is white.

My son is mistaken for Hispanic all the time because he is so fair.
Now what should he tell people about his racial lineage?
Is he supposed to say that he's Black and ignore the fact
that his father's family came from Ireland in the 1940's?
Will he be "distainful" of his black heritage if he acknowledges that he's mixed?
Does he have to choose which one he is?

My two cents,
Tannenisis
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quote:
Originally posted by shemika:
quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
... I detect that just beneath the surface (and I do mean just) of this pride and acceptance in all parts of their lineage is a disdain for the Black part and a strong desire to distance themselves from it, or at a minimum be seen as one of those special ones because of it.

It is much like Tiger Woods declaration of being a Cablinasian. Now, why the heck the caucasian comes first in his self-titled racial group is puzzling since his Dad is clearly of African descent and his mom is clearly Asian.


tfro You make some very wise observations sistah!




**Yep...that is an outward cry for some self-adequacy relative to what I guess they call "those regular blacks" like myself....if a negro feels better about themselves just because they look like anything white...then something's really wrong with their azz.......
quote:
Originally posted by Tannenisis:
My son is African, Sioux, Seminole, Irish, and Norwegian. His father is white.

My son is mistaken for Hispanic all the time because he is so fair. Now what should he tell people about his racial lineage? Is he supposed to say that he's Black and ignore the fact that his father's family came from Ireland in the 1940's? Will he be "distainful" of his black heritage if he acknowledges that he's mixed? Does he have to choose which one he is?

My two cents,
Tannenisis




So if light is fair....then I guess the opposite which is dark is actually UNfair by definition correct? Many of you do not even recognize the colonization of white supremacy in your minds.....that schit sounds close to being smart is "acting white".....'sigh'........
Actually -- it seems that it is 'you'
who has missed recognizing the fact
that your obsession with color as well
as your voluntary adherence to the racist
'one-drop' rule -- is actually a sign of your
having succumbed to racist oppression
and thus, bought into the lies of racism.

In addition, the "ILL"-logical comment
and assumption that you made regarding
'Tannenisis's' description of her son
is simply baseless in it's weak attempt
to try to prove and/or imply that --
simply because she happened to notice that
her half-white son has a fair-complexion
-- she must, thus, have a white obsession.

Give me a break.

The fact of the matter is that because
'Tannenisis' is actually of a 'multi'-racial
lineage herself (rather than of a 'mono'-racial
lineage) -- the child she and her husband (who,
yes, is a white person) had, just happened
to have turned out with a fair-complexion.

Her tri-racial child (black-amerindian-white)
has a right (even duty) to acknowledge
his entire heritage -- which, of course,
includes is mother's (black-amerindian)
'multi'-racial lineage and his father's
(white) 'mono'-racial lineage.

Like his mother (and more than 70% of those
born to two African-American parents) --
the child is NOT 'mono'-racially 'black'
-- but rather is 'multi'-racially 'mixed'.

My opinion is "Good for 'Tannenisis' for
her public acknowledgement of both her
and her son's Mixed-race lineage" (found
along different generational lines).
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Originally posted by Kevin41:

So if light is fair....then I guess the opposite which is dark is actually UNfair by definition correct? Many of you do not even recognize the colonization of white supremacy in your minds.....that schit sounds close to being smart is "acting white".....'sigh'........
quote:
Originally posted by Tannenisis:

My son is African, Sioux, Seminole, Irish, and Norwegian. His father is white.

My son is mistaken for Hispanic all the time because he is so fair.
Now what should he tell people about his racial lineage?
Is he supposed to say that he's Black and ignore the fact
that his father's family came from Ireland in the 1940's?
Will he be "distainful" of his black heritage if he acknowledges that he's mixed?
Does he have to choose which one he is?

My two cents,
Tannenisis
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Racist one-drop rule? As in:

There may be African in my bloodline but I am much better than those full-blood Black folks.


The originators of the one-drop rule were no doubt racist in their intent to separate the darkies from the pure white folks. But, the vehement protests to it in this day and age point to an aversion to Blackness, because most of us have something besides African blood from somewhere down the line and take it as almost a given. But it's no big deal. (credit to the poster who said that in this thread) Everyone is free to just be.

Also, meticulously listing multiple caucasian/anglo countries seems redundant:

Norway=Norwegian. Spain=Spanish. Ireland=Irish

Just saying one has caucasian or anglo ancestry/parentage is enough, unless, of course, you actually incorporate the culture of a Norwegian, Spainard, etc, in your daily life.

It is pointless to insist that others accept your definition of your phenotype (or what that phenotype means to you), when you have no control over other people. Just do you. It's a waste of energy to berate a group of people you don't know and will never meet.

...as I thought, sticky and just as yucky.
well...answer the question then...what is actually the opposite of fair...unfair correct? what is the opposite of light? dark, correct? don't attack the messenger...attack the racism associated with damn near everything black and dark as negative....now if you want to play like the dumb niave white and tell me that is just a figment of my imagination...then go ahead..I don't give a damn what she calls her son..it is her son....I am referring to the origins of the word usage.....people can call themselves what they like...unless they wear it on a t-shirt sayingas much....social perception will drive the race issue more than I ever could...take her to alabama and explain that multi-cultural philosophy...i'd be curious to see how it flies......
Where do you get -- and even more important, why do you
keep making -- these baseless assumptions about people?

You continually make these fact-less, assumption-based
statements about people and their worldview -- and you
have absolutely no basis on which to make these statements.

Your false premise, that one's pride in being of 'multi'-racial lineage
MUST AUTOMATICALLY MEAN that they are ashamed
of or think they are better than their 'mono'-racial Black
(or any other 'mono'-racial) ancestors, is not only baseless,
but it is illogical and founded on mere conjecture as well.

Do you not realize how illogical it is for your to erroneously
'assume' that because a person has been taught to openly
acknowledge their full lineage -- that they 'think
they are better' than ANY group of 'mono'-racials?

Do you not realize how asinine
such an assumption is?

Using your very same thought process, one
could easily say that 'you' are implying
1) that a person of a 'mono'-racial lineage
is 'much better than' one who is of a
'multi'-racial lineage and that by
openly acknowledging their lineage,
they are claiming to be such and /or
2) that those who are of a 'multi'-racial
lineage should hold such lineage as if
it were some shameful secret or minor
incident in their heritage.

Do you not understand how baseless and
irrational such a conclusion would be?

In addition, please be advised that ...
at no point have I made a statement
about ˜my' phenotype nor have I berated
nor tried to control anyone for any reason.

In addition, while ˜your' lineage may have
admixture ˜down the line somewhere' -- the
lineage of 'most (+70%) African-Americans
(AAs) is and has continually remained
mixed "throughout" (rather than somewhere
'down') the multiple generations of their
family -- while a very small number of
others have no known admixture at all
(ex. The Gullah of North Caroline).

Again -- both Geneticists and Historical
Researchers have repeatedly proven that
"most" (+70%) AAs are and have been
"continually" admixed "throughout" the
multiple generations of their familial
lineage -- thus your assumption-based
statement that 'most' AAs only have an
admixture that is located somewhere
" ˜down' the line", (rather than
"throughout" the line) is erroneous.

For more information, see the posts found at
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
Racist one-drop rule? As in:

There may be African in my bloodline but I am much better than those full-blood Black folks.


The originators of the one-drop rule were no doubt racist ... because most of us have something besides African blood from somewhere down the line ...

...It is pointless to insist that others accept your definition of your phenotype (or what that phenotype means to you), when you have no control over other people. ... It's a waste of energy to berate a group of people you don't know and will never meet...
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We must be honest here, there are no other people who scurry about attempting to self identify as anything other than what they obviously are other than Black folk in America and in the Diaspora. The question then is why? Why do Black men and women the world over try to identify as something other than what they are. I believe it is because we know and understand in a world built on white supremacy being able to say of oneself I am not 100% African or Black may just open up a door way to have the individual claiming such to be treated differently and most of all perceived differently by not having the stereotypical racist B.S. attached to who and what they are. Black men and women history is a sordid history, one filled with lies and propaganda manufactured by our open enemy that would make any sane man or woman not want such a history attached to who they are but in a time where the truth behind the lies and propaganda are known why are we still running from who we are claiming to be one percent of this, five percent of that which has no relevancy when one looks at you but by saying you are mixed you hope that in the racist mind they immediately detached all ill conceived and false notions about Black people from you.

Taking a look at the world and the men and women around the world, the one thing we can say for sure is, non-African\Black men and women do not try to associate themselves with being part Black or African even when it so painfully obvious that they are and the reveres is also true, a great many African\Black men and women try to painstakingly disassociate themselves with being African\Black by claiming to be one percent this and five percent that; the one thing both groups have in common is neither want to be fully African\Black and make it known that they are not. So what we have here is African\Black folk who do not want to be 100% African\Black and non-African\Black folk who do not want to be any percent Black\African. No one wants to be African\Black so it seems but no such arguments are being presented by anyone claiming they are not white. Why is that? The answer lies in us understanding the reason people claim to be mixed is not about them not wanting to be identified as white, it is about them not wanting and refusing to be identified as Black which they understand is a mathematical handicap in a world built on white supremacy.

This is why groups like the one "Allthepeople" belong to exist; these groups are formed to sing out loud I AM NOT BLACK! My response to these people is, I hear ya and I am glad you are not Black but attempting to make others accept white supremacy as you have and express by your attempts to not self identify as being Black is an exercise in futility. We are not afraid of our African\Black lineage or history and believe it to be traitorous and an act of betrayal to buttress our links to white people through acts of brutality and rape simply because those links may offer us a benefit in a world built on white supremacy. So please take your "I do not want to be Black" arguments back to the hybrids that think like you and tell them Faheem said Go to hell.
Maybe I missed it in the thread responses, but what is the point of acknowledging a "multi-racial" lineage? How many people on the planet are 100% pure in racial makeup? What are the social, political, financial, psychological advantages of celebrating being multi-racial? In the reality of the world, is a person who professes to be multi-racial treated differently than those of us that just call ourselves Black or African-American?

BTW, I'm looking for a serious answer from the proponents of "multi-racial" designations.
quote:
What are the social, political, financial, psychological advantages of celebrating being multi-racial?


Not being Black in a world built on white supremacy. that is the whole purpose behind the multi-racial designation.

quote:
is a person who professes to be multi-racial treated differently than those of us that just call ourselves Black or African-American?


In their mind it will offer them a benifit that they can not get by claiming to be Black. White folk can not and do not identify with Black men and women thus if what a Black man or woman is trying to do needs the support of white folk it works in their interest to claim they are multi-racial and then there are those who just suffer from self hate who want the benifits afforded to white folk and believe saying they are not Black may help attain those things for them.
Yes, it appears that you have most definitely 'missed it'.

Such a question is, in my humble opinion,
the equivalent of asking 'What is the
point of spending so much time
streesing one's Black lineage?'.

While many of us are fortunate enough
to know a great deal about BOTH our
Black and our non-Black heritages
-- others are grilled by people who
ask such nonsensical questions as
"Why do you acknowledge being part Indian, etc.
-- when you don't even know what or anything
about the indian tribe you descended from?"
-- all the while ignoring the fact that the same
can be said of the 'African tribes' they are from.

In addition -- I am not talking
about the issue of 'pure' races.
Of course there are no 'pure' races anywhere.
This is not an issue of 'racial purity'
(as clearly no such thing exists).

This is an issue of people coming to a realization
that they should not being afraid of nor ashamed
to embrace the totality of their FULL lineage.

It's a sad state of affairs when African-Americans
find themselves fighting to 'keep' a racist "rule"
that was designed to force them to deny the truth
of their very own lineage, heritage and history.

There is no way possible anyone will ever get me
to embrace something as obviously racist as the
"one-drop rule" -- as to embrace such a concept
would be a display of being ashamed (not proud) of
the repeatedly proven truth of my FULL lineage.

For those who are also not willing to
"bow to the 'rules' of white racism"
and who, thus, refuse to embrace the
racist concept of the "one-drop" rule
-- my advise is to feel free to visit the
sites below in order to learn more of why
one should not be afraid or ashamed to
publicly and proudly acknowledge the fact of
their FULLY 'multi'-racial heritage and lineage.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed

By the way, when you visit the sites -- you may come
to a better understanding of 'how' and 'why' the terms
'Black' (a 'mono'racial "race" group) and 'African-American'
(a 'multi'-racial "ethnic" group) -- are NOT synonymous terms.

(And again -- we are not referring to a "black"
socio-political "identification" -- but, again, we
are speaking of the "Black" 'racial' categorization.)

quote:
Originally posted by ddouble:
Maybe I missed it in the thread responses, but what is the point of acknowledging a "multi-racial" lineage? How many people on the planet are 100% pure in racial makeup? What are the social, political, financial, psychological advantages of celebrating being multi-racial? In the reality of the world, is a person who professes to be multi-racial treated differently than those of us that just call ourselves Black or African-American?

BTW, I'm looking for a serious answer from the proponents of "multi-racial" designations.
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Sorry -- but your conjecture-based statements
on this matter hold no validity whatsoever.

It appears that a lot of baseless and erroneous
assumptions have been made here -- on your part
(perhaps that will teach you to stop believing that you
can fabricate notions of what goes on in anyone's mind).

Perhaps the data below will be of benefit to you.

1) You don't have to be 'Black' in order to be a non-white.

2) Being a 'multi'-racial does not make one not
accept and embrace their "Black" 'racial 'lineage'
nor does it preclude a person from taking on
a "black" socio-political "identity".

3) One does not always need to have or even get an "advantage" (of
any sort) in deciding to embrace the truth of their FULL lineage.
(For proof of this, just ask any of the African-Americans who
have lived on impoverished Indian reservations for generations.)

For those interested in THE TRUTH of why many African-Americans
are very open about THE FACT that their lineage is (and has been
for generations) 'multi'-racially admixed -- you are advised
to visit the sites listed below and, when at the site,
do a search on the word 'African-American'.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed

Say it loud -- "I am 100% of the 'multi'-racial
"ethnicity" called African-American and proud!"

quote:
Originally posted by Faheem:
quote:
What are the social, political, financial, psychological advantages of celebrating being multi-racial?


Not being Black ...In their mind it will
offer them a benifit that they can not
get by claiming to be Black ...thus if
what a Black man or woman is trying to
do needs the support of white folk it works
... to claim they are multi-racial ....
quote:
1) You don't have to be 'Black' in order to be a non-white.


Faheem grabs hold of it and tries to rip it from Allpeople but fails to do so, it appears that Allpeople have a firm grip of the obvious. haha....

quote:
2) Being a 'multi'-racial does not make one not
accept and embrace their "Black" 'racial 'lineage'
nor does it preclude a person from taking on
a "black" socio-political "identity".


The grip is tightened but this time I ask the simplest question. Being that the vast majority of Black men and women who are multi-racial did not become so by righteous means what is there to celebrate?

quote:
3) One does not always need to have or even get an "advantage" (of
any sort) in deciding to embrace the truth of their FULL lineage.
(For proof of this, just ask any of the African-Americans who
have lived on impoverished Indian reservations for generations.)


You are not dealing with fools here, we know and understand that there are always exceptions to the rule and we do not speak in absolutes. However generally speaking we are right and exact and such is demonstrated by you having to resort to the small number of Black men and women that live on the reservation with out Native brothers and sisters.

Make sure you tell your buddies what I said. Wink
AllPeople-

I still don't see the answer to my questions in your response. We can research our family trees to learn about our lineage, but that is a personal matter, internal to your family. In my eyes, announcing to the world that you are "multi-racial" is an attempt to distance yourself from the tribulations & challenges associated with being African-American.

Let me restate my question:
What do you hope to accomplish by declaring yourself "multi-racial"?


If you acknowledge that the notion of pure racial heritage is moot in today's world (and I believe you did in your response to me), what's the point of making the distinction?
Interesting that this subject was brought up. This past Saturday on Tony Brown's Journal, for the few of us who can get it, there were two professors from Penn State who are instructors of a multicultural course. They recently conducted DNA testing as part of their class to find out the ethnicity of their students. Some of their so-called white students were a percentage African. As a matter of fact, in one instance one student who was Italian and German was 14% African! That student was totally surprised.
The point is here, that any DNA testing or racial composition will have a much greater impact on those who call themselves white in America. Black people are mostly all aware of their so-called multi-racial heritages. Not all black people are mixed with white, some are genuinely African based on DNA. Do we want to continually bring up this topic of mixed race in the black community? We know it exists and for years we've had to deal with it. I think its been explored enough. What I want to find out is the white community's reaction to finding out that someone in their family has been passing. That is really a topic that should be explored. I don't think that many of them are mentally prepared to deal with that kind of knowledge.
quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
Where do you get -- and even more important, why do you
keep making -- these baseless assumptions about people?

You continually make these fact-less, assumption-based
statements about people and their worldview -- and you
have absolutely no basis on which to make these statements.

Your false premise, that one's pride in being of 'multi'-racial lineage
MUST AUTOMATICALLY MEAN that they are ashamed
of or think they are better than their 'mono'-racial Black
(or any other 'mono'-racial) ancestors, is not only baseless,
but it is illogical and founded on mere conjecture as well.

Do you not realize how illogical it is for your to erroneously
'assume' that because a person has been taught to openly
acknowledge their full lineage -- that they 'think
they are better' than ANY group of 'mono'-racials?

Do you not realize how asinine
such an assumption is?

Using your very same thought process, one
could easily say that 'you' are implying
1) that a person of a 'mono'-racial lineage
is 'much better than' one who is of a
'multi'-racial lineage and that by
openly acknowledging their lineage,
they are claiming to be such and /or
2) that those who are of a 'multi'-racial
lineage should hold such lineage as if
it were some shameful secret or minor
incident in their heritage.

Do you not understand how baseless and
irrational such a conclusion would be?

In addition, please be advised that ...
at no point have I made a statement
about ˜my' phenotype nor have I berated
nor tried to control anyone for any reason.

In addition, while ˜your' lineage may have
admixture ˜down the line somewhere' -- the
lineage of 'most (+70%) African-Americans
(AAs) is and has continually remained
mixed "throughout" (rather than somewhere
'down') the multiple generations of their
family -- while a very small number of
others have no known admixture at all
(ex. The Gullah of North Caroline).

Again -- both Geneticists and Historical
Researchers have repeatedly proven that
"most" (+70%) AAs are and have been
"continually" admixed "throughout" the
multiple generations of their familial
lineage -- thus your assumption-based
statement that 'most' AAs only have an
admixture that is located somewhere
" ˜down' the line", (rather than
"throughout" the line) is erroneous.

For more information, see the posts found at
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
Racist one-drop rule? As in:

There may be African in my bloodline but I am much better than those full-blood Black folks.


The originators of the one-drop rule were no doubt racist ... because most of us have something besides African blood from somewhere down the line ...

...It is pointless to insist that others accept your definition of your phenotype (or what that phenotype means to you), when you have no control over other people. ... It's a waste of energy to berate a group of people you don't know and will never meet...


you obviously haven't talked to many of the multiculturalists who scream and wail like a banshee when they are called black by someone who just thinks they are black...they act like you called their mama a whore or something....hell, no one knows what someone is so they do not have to get so fucking repulsed by mention of the word "black" to them...i'm not accusing this individual...but that is the reality of things........independent of whatever in the hell i think.....
Actually -- had you bothered to check out any of the sites
I have recommended or any of my posts ion this thread,
you would have been more than aware of the fact that
-- your "question" has been answered by me, repeatedly.

In additon, in case you have yet to figure this out --
please be advised of the fact that I am a person who is
more geared toward intellectua.l discussion rather than
the presentation of statements in the form of a question
followed by a feigning of the pretense that the alleged
"question" had never been answered or even addressed.

In addition, not only have I made it clear that in no way am
I attempting to distance myself from being of the (largely
'multi'-racial) "ethnicity" known as 'African-American'
(AA) -- but I have also made it clear that, since more than
70% of all people with two AA parents are of 'multi'-racial
lineage -- the "ethnic" group known as 'African-American'
is actually more synonymous with the term
'Multi'-racial than it is with the term 'Black'.

Genetically speaking, it has been repetedly, repeatedly proven
that the majority (+70%) of people with two parents of the
(largely 'multi'-racial) "ethnicity" known as 'African-American'
actually have a 'blood' lineage which included no more
than 1/2 (and some have 1/3 of less) Black ancestry.
In fact, this same group actually has +25 % Amerindian lineage
and 20-30% European lineage.

Therefore, the only way most of those who belong
to the (largely 'multi'-racial) "ethnicity"
known as 'African-American' can be considered
as being 'mono'-racially 'Black' (rather than
'multi'-racially 'Mixed') would be to apply the
racist concept of the 'one-drop rule' to them.

it is utterly beyond my comprehension that people
actually expect an AA to "bow the knee to white
racism" and accept, even embrace, this racist concept
-- and, downplay, ignore, or even deny the truth
of their familial ancestry, lineage and heritage.

My question to you is 'why' do you pretend to not understand
things that I have made abundantly clear -- both on this
board and via the sites recommended at the following:

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed


If you want to know why I will quite openly
---"Say it loud -- I am 100% of the
largely 'multi'-racial) "ethnicity" known
as 'African-American' -- and thus, am
also tri-racially admixed -- and proud"
-- my advice is that you vist the sites
noted above and learn more about how
one can be proud to be 100% AA and also
openly acknowledge adn embrace the
facts of their FULL lineage as well.

quote:
Originally posted by ddouble:
AllPeople-

I still don't see the answer to my questions in your response. We can research our family trees to learn about our lineage, but that is a personal matter, internal to your family. In my eyes, announcing to the world that you are "multi-racial" is an attempt to distance yourself from the tribulations & challenges associated with being African-American.

Let me restate my question:
What do you hope to accomplish by declaring yourself "multi-racial"?


If you acknowledge that the notion of pure racial heritage is moot in today's world (and I believe you did in your response to me), what's the point of making the distinction?
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Far too many times I have had the misfortune
of meeting both militant-"blacks" and of meeting
'militant-mulattoes' (as I refer to them as being) also
-- and can assure you that BOTH types of 'militants'
are filled with nothing but arrogance, ignorance
and false pride -- all of which seem to stem around
their refusal to accept the facts that a person can
socio-politically "identify" in any manner that they
choose -- yet, their Mixed-lineage remains regardless.

If what you have encountered in the past were
the ever-so-disgraceful 'militant-mulattoes',
no wonder you are so supicious of anyone who
openly embraces the fact of the presence
of the non-black ancestry in their lineage.

Please be advised that I do not belong to or even
remotely associate with any type of militant at
all and beleive that BOTH types are a disgrace
to the African-American 'ethnic grouping'.

Acknowledging (and even embracing) the fact of one's 'multi'-racial
ancestry DOES NOT mean that a person is in any way trying to deny,
downplay or minimize their Black ancestry (again, that is the
behavior of the ignorant, arrogant type of person that I refer
to as the 'militant-mulatto' and /or the 'militant-multiracial').

It is possible to acknowledge that one is 'multi'-racial without
the motive being to deny or downplay one's black ancestry.

being a multi-racial does not annihilate one's Black lineage --
nor does it make a person "more than just black" (a phrase,
which, by the way, I utterly despise and openly see as racist).

All it means is that a person is not afraid or ashamed
to admit the true facts of thier FULL lineage.

For more information on the group that I have referred
to as being 'militant-mulattoes', see links found at:
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
and do a search on the word 'militant-mulatto'

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:

you obviously haven't talked to many of the multiculturalists who scream and wail like a banshee when they are called black by someone who just thinks they are black...they act like you called their mama a whore or something....hell, no one knows what someone is so they do not have to get so fucking repulsed by mention of the word "black" to them...i'm not accusing this individual...but that is the reality of things........independent of whatever in the hell i think.....

quote:
Originally posted by AllPeople:
Where do you get -- and even more important, why do you
keep making -- these baseless assumptions about people?

You continually make these fact-less, assumption-based
statements about people and their worldview -- and you
have absolutely no basis on which to make these statements.

Your false premise, that one's pride in being of 'multi'-racial lineage
MUST AUTOMATICALLY MEAN that they are ashamed
of or think they are better than their 'mono'-racial Black
(or any other 'mono'-racial) ancestors, is not only baseless,
but it is illogical and founded on mere conjecture as well.

Do you not realize how illogical it is for your to erroneously
'assume' that because a person has been taught to openly
acknowledge their full lineage -- that they 'think
they are better' than ANY group of 'mono'-racials?

Do you not realize how asinine
such an assumption is?

Using your very same thought process, one
could easily say that 'you' are implying
1) that a person of a 'mono'-racial lineage
is 'much better than' one who is of a
'multi'-racial lineage and that by
openly acknowledging their lineage,
they are claiming to be such and /or
2) that those who are of a 'multi'-racial
lineage should hold such lineage as if
it were some shameful secret or minor
incident in their heritage.

Do you not understand how baseless and
irrational such a conclusion would be?

In addition, please be advised that ...
at no point have I made a statement
about ˜my' phenotype nor have I berated
nor tried to control anyone for any reason.

In addition, while ˜your' lineage may have
admixture ˜down the line somewhere' -- the
lineage of 'most (+70%) African-Americans
(AAs) is and has continually remained
mixed "throughout" (rather than somewhere
'down') the multiple generations of their
family -- while a very small number of
others have no known admixture at all
(ex. The Gullah of North Caroline).

Again -- both Geneticists and Historical
Researchers have repeatedly proven that
"most" (+70%) AAs are and have been
"continually" admixed "throughout" the
multiple generations of their familial
lineage -- thus your assumption-based
statement that 'most' AAs only have an
admixture that is located somewhere
" ˜down' the line", (rather than
"throughout" the line) is erroneous.

For more information, see the posts found at
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed

quote:
Originally posted by Isome:
Racist one-drop rule? As in:

There may be African in my bloodline but I am much better than those full-blood Black folks.


The originators of the one-drop rule were no doubt racist ... because most of us have something besides African blood from somewhere down the line ...

...It is pointless to insist that others accept your definition of your phenotype (or what that phenotype means to you), when you have no control over other people. ... It's a waste of energy to berate a group of people you don't know and will never meet...
You are at AA.org AllPeople. You started the thread. If you have cogently voiced your opinions on multi-racial lineage at Yahoo, you should be able to do the same here without me having to read through an entire newsgroup.

Yes, I am skeptical, but I'm also trying to give you an opportunity to clearly express the purpose of publically acknowledging what many of us here are saying WE ALREADY KNOW - the fact that our bloodlines are not 100% African is obvious. What is the point of a public pronouncement of this? Is changing the racial designation from Black/African American to Multi-Racial the goal? What does that accomplish? Since Caucasians (addressing Yssys' point), Hispanics, Asians have "multi-racial" bloodlines, are you suggesting we are all the same? Again, are you attempting to make a social or political statement?
How kind of you to inform me of the site that I am on.

Please be aware, however, that being a fully literate
person, I was able to figure that out on my own. Smile

In addition, please also be aware that I
too have provided 'you' with an opportunity.

That opportunity is one in which you have been
provided with multiple posts on this site and
to multiple links to sites with similar posts
in which my perspective on this matter is
provided in absolute full detail.

Also -- it would be greatly appreciated
if you would stop addressing me with
what are "your assumption-based statements
falsely presented it the form of an inquiry".

In addition, for the umpteenth time
-- please be advised that 'Black'
(a mono-racial "race" group) and
'African-American' (a multi-racial
"ethnic" group) are NOT the same groups
nor are they synonymous terms.

Not every single 'African-American' is
'mono'-racially Black (as a matter of fact,
+70% are actually 'multi'-racially Mixed)
and not every Black is an 'African-American'.

For more information -- feel free to take a look
at the resources found at the sites listed below.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
quote:
Originally posted by ddouble:
You are at AA.org AllPeople. You started the thread. If you have cogently voiced your opinions on multi-racial lineage at Yahoo, you should be able to do the same here without me having to read through an entire newsgroup.

Yes, I am skeptical, but I'm also trying to give you an opportunity to clearly express the purpose of publically acknowledging what many of us here are saying WE ALREADY KNOW - the fact that our bloodlines are not 100% African is obvious. What is the point of a public pronouncement of this? Is changing the racial designation from Black/African American to Multi-Racial the goal? What does that accomplish? Since Caucasians (addressing Yssys' point), Hispanics, Asians have "multi-racial" bloodlines, are you suggesting we are all the same? Again, are you attempting to make a social or political statement?
So let me get this straight: if I say my son is so "fair" then I am adhereing to white supremacist mentality?
How about "light-skinned?" Is that a better phrase for you, Kevin 41? I find it interesting that you neglected to mention that I said he is mistaken for Hispanic, which is an even better indicator of what his skin looks like than the word "fair," which you harped on.

Isome,
You say that mentioning more than one Caucasion-lineage is redundant. I don't think it is. Scandinavian CULTURE is different from Irish CULTURE, regardless of the similarity of their skin. It certainly isn't the same thing as being Russian or German.
Just as Latino, Hispanic and Spanish all describe very different regional and cultural places. I've called a person Spanish before only to have them tell me they are Latino, and so on. Same thing with Black designations.
Then you state that it is pointless to insist that others accept your definition of phenotype. Hmmm....haven't black people fought against the term "Nigger" and "Negro" for a long time as phenotype distinction? Why all the fuss if you can't insist that anybody else accept your definition of what you are?


Faheem,
You said, "White folk can not and do not identify with Black men and women thus if what a Black man or woman is trying to do needs the support of white folk it works in their interest to claim they are multi-racial and then there are those who just suffer from self hate who want the benifits afforded to white folk and believe saying they are not Black may help attain those things for them."

I'm sorry, but this is just bullshit as far as I'm concerned. Have you taken a good long look at Native American communities lately? Despite casinos, they are suffering just like us. There is horrendous poverty on the majority of the Untied States' reservations.
So I fail to see how acknowledging that I have Native American blood is trying to "get in with whitey."
Furthermore, I worked as a news-editor for seven years at an African-American newspaper in southwest Georgia, where burning crosses still go up TODAY. My office got bomb threats from the Klan starting in 1998 because of my editorials on equality. I also worked with the NAACP and the Justice Department to attempt to get to the root of the racial injustice happening in my county. I continue to speak out about injustice everywhere I see it today, through commentary and poetry.

So you can hardly ascribe your sweeping condemnation of "muli-racial acknowledgment" towards me and others like me continuing the fight for equality.

As for "what is there to celebrate," in my family there were many marriages between Native American tribes and blacks. So here we are.

My question stands: what is my son supposed to call himself?

My two cents,
Tannenisis
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quote:
Faheem,
You said, "White folk can not and do not identify with Black men and women thus if what a Black man or woman is trying to do needs the support of white folk it works in their interest to claim they are multi-racial and then there are those who just suffer from self hate who want the benifits afforded to white folk and believe saying they are not Black may help attain those things for them."

I'm sorry, but this is just bullshit as far as I'm concerned. Have you taken a good long look at Native American communities lately? Despite casinos, they are suffering just like us. There is horrendous poverty on the majority of the Untied States' reservations.
So I fail to see how acknowledging that I have Native American blood is trying to "get in with whitey."
Furthermore, I worked as a news-editor for seven years at an African-American newspaper in southwest Georgia, where burning crosses still go up TODAY. My office got bomb threats from the Klan starting in 1998 because of my editorials on equality. I also worked with the NAACP and the Justice Department to attempt to get to the root of the racial injustice happening in my county. I continue to speak out about injustice everywhere I see it today, through commentary and poetry.

So you can hardly ascribe your sweeping condemnation of "muli-racial acknowledgment" towards me and others like me continuing the fight for equality.

As for "what is there to celebrate," in my family there were many marriages between Native American tribes and blacks. So here we are.

My question stands: what is my son supposed to call himself?

My two cents,


As I wrote earlier, I do not speak in absolutes, what I wrote may not be true of you, making you the exception to the rule but generally speaking when Black folk proclaim they are multi-racial it is an attempt to escape being Black, plain and simple. Most Black folk that claim multi-racial status do so because their great great grand parent was this or that and every one else coming after them have been with a Black man or woman but leave it to the confused individual to reach back 3 generations to find a reason to say they are not Black.

Truthfully it matters not to me what you claim to be, you can be half man and half dog, the reality still stands that no other people does this except Black folk the world over trying their best not to be Black. Point me in the direction of another group of Human beings who are of a another ethnic group or race claiming to be part Black or African. They dont exist because no other people is so unhappy with themselves and suffer from hatred of self as some Black folk do.
But do you see how -- referring to people
as 'Black' (i.e. 'mono'-racial) when they
are, in ancestral fact, Racially-Admixed
(i.e. 'multi'-racial) -- is an voluntary
adherence to the racist 'One-Drop Rule'?

To defy the racist "One-Drop Rule",
is not some attempt to be 'white',
nor to be 'anything but black',
nor is it an 'attempt to deny
your black ancestry', etc.
-- but rather -- it is
an attempt to destroy
"anti-black racism'.

In addition --just as is stated and proven
multiple times in the web sites listed below
-- contrary to popular racist myth,
most of the people who are of a
multi-generationally multiracially-mixed
(MGM-Mixed) lineage DO NOT rest the
fact of their mixed-race lineage on any type
of "ancient ancestor" theory (which is the
practice of laying claim to having some sort
of singular, non-black 'great, great, great,
great whatver' ancestor in their lineage).

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

The false idea that this "ancient ancestor"
theory or concept is or would be the basis of the
existence of an MGM-Mixed person's lineage
-- is nothing more than a myth and a lie which
was created by the racists who I refer to as
being the "militant-multiracial" (MM) faction
(they did this so that they, the MM, could,
in a very double-standard format, have the
racist 'One-Drop Rule" applied to
one group of 'multi'-racials, but
not have it applied to themselves).

Unfortunately, this same racist lie and
myth is also quite often believed and
accepted by a great many other people
as well -- to the point where it is
becoming a type of urban legend of sorts.

The reality is that most MGM-Mixed people
are and have been continually mixed-race
"throughout the line" (not 'down the line',
as would be the case with those who have
a singular, non-black 'ancient ancestor')

The people who are MGM-Mixed are not
(and do not claim to be) so as a result
of some "ancient non-black ancestor"
located somewhere "down the line" in their
familial heritages -- but rather the they
are and have been continually mixed
"throughout the line" (at least of the
past 3 or generations) of their family.

Again, to admit to being of MGM-Mixed lineage
does not mean one is denying or downplaying
any portion of their black admixture.

Those who think that it does are confusing
MGM-Mixed people with the racist MMs.

These two groups are not the same.

The racist I refer to as being MMs seem

hate MGM-Mixed (largely because MGM-mixed
people celebrate the fact of their black
ancestry) and the MMs also seem to hate their
very own, and any one else's, black ancestry.

The MGM-Mixed people, on the other hand, openly
celebrate in their full black ancestry and are
willing to and not in the least bit ashamed of
openly and publicly acknowledging all of the
other admixtures found in their FULL lineage.

It must be remembers that -- just because
MGM-Mixed people and the MMs are both
examples of the many, many different
'types' of Mixed-race people, does NOT
mean that they should be seen as the same
group or as having the same agenda or goals.

The MGM-Mixed people are very proud of their
black-admixture and they would not deny
it for anything -- while, at the same time,
they also simply refuse to carry any
shame in the least bit about the fact
that they also have other admixtures
in their lineage have had such
throughout multiple generations
of their family and will celebrate
in the fact of those heritages as well.

More than 70% of the people who
are born to two parents who are
of the largely 'multi'-racial
(not 'mono'-racial) "ethnic"
(not "race") group called
'African-American' are
of MGM-Mixed lineage.

quote:
Originally posted by Faheem:

As I wrote earlier, I do not speak in absolutes, what I wrote may not be true of you, making you the exception to the rule but generally speaking when Black folk proclaim they are multi-racial it is an attempt to escape being Black, plain and simple. Most Black folk that claim multi-racial status do so because their great great grand parent was this or that and every one else coming after them have been with a Black man or woman but leave it to the confused individual to reach back 3 generations to find a reason to say they are not Black.

Truthfully it matters not to me what you claim to be, you can be half man and half dog, the reality still stands that no other people does this except Black folk the world over trying their best not to be Black. Point me in the direction of another group of Human beings who are of a another ethnic group or race claiming to be part Black or African. They dont exist because no other people is so unhappy with themselves and suffer from hatred of self as some Black folk do.

quote:
Faheem,
You said, "White folk can not and do not identify with Black men and women thus if what a Black man or woman is trying to do needs the support of white folk it works in their interest to claim they are multi-racial and then there are those who just suffer from self hate who want the benifits afforded to white folk and believe saying they are not Black may help attain those things for them."

I'm sorry, but this is just bullshit as far as I'm concerned. Have you taken a good long look at Native American communities lately? Despite casinos, they are suffering just like us. There is horrendous poverty on the majority of the Untied States' reservations.
So I fail to see how acknowledging that I have Native American blood is trying to "get in with whitey."
Furthermore, I worked as a news-editor for seven years at an African-American newspaper in southwest Georgia, where burning crosses still go up TODAY. My office got bomb threats from the Klan starting in 1998 because of my editorials on equality. I also worked with the NAACP and the Justice Department to attempt to get to the root of the racial injustice happening in my county. I continue to speak out about injustice everywhere I see it today, through commentary and poetry.

So you can hardly ascribe your sweeping condemnation of "muli-racial acknowledgment" towards me and others like me continuing the fight for equality.

As for "what is there to celebrate," in my family there were many marriages between Native American tribes and blacks. So here we are.

My question stands: what is my son supposed to call himself?

My two cents,
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Somewhere down the line...

So if it is great-grandparents who are part of the interracial coupling, as opposed to a grandparent or parent, that means one is just Black and can't claim special status. So just stop it!! Stop right now!!

All you wannabe mixed people better be paying attention to the rules. The rules are YOU DO NOT FIT IN WITH THE MIXED PEOPLE... you're just Black and that's nothing special.

Let's see how's that go again... MGM (metro goldwyn mayor)... Oh' no, that's not it. Well, how about FGM (female genital mutilation, arabs, adopted custom, Northern Africa). Uh uhhh, that doesn't sound like it...

GTH ... Go-to-hell! Oh' yeah, that sounds right, just like what Faheem said.
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the reality still stands that no other people does this except Black folk the world over trying their best not to be Black. Point me in the direction of another group of Human beings who are of a another ethnic group or race claiming to be part Black or African. They dont exist because no other people is so unhappy with themselves and suffer from hatred of self as some Black folk do.


Must I say it over and over again. Every one is running from being Black. All these negro men and women claiming to be of Native ancestry but I have not seen one Native man or woman claim to be of African or Black Ancestry. All these negro men and women claiming to be half irish, half european or simply half white but no white person is out trying to argue they are half Black or partly Black... Why is that? We know why.

Lastly, as ddouble has constantly asked and stated, after affirming you are a hybrid what happens next. Whats the point? Is there a political or social reason behind your claims? will anything be accomplished or are you simply trying to say to us you are not Black.... If that is the case, we get it, you are not Black you are a hybrid, a mut a mix of every thing and nothing at all.
Isome -- if you want to have an intellectual
conversation -- my advice to you is that you
do not resort to the low-grade behavior
of swearing at and calling the people
on this board by offensive names.

Throughout this thread that I started --
I have made abundantly clear that MGM-Mixed
people were not 'wannabees' of any sort.

When you discovered that we did not
'wannabee white' (which is something
that is more commonly thrown out
against the people who actually
have a white parent) nor were we
seeking to be 'anything but black'
(which is commonly thrown out against
all the Mixed-race people of any part
black-admixture) as the other false
accusation commonly goes -- you are now
resorting to the desperate and false
accusation of falsely claiming that we
'wannabee mixed' (despite the fact that
we are clearly Mixed-race and have been such
"throughout the line" of our familial heritage).

It would be very easy for someone to say that
you were a 'wannabee black' who has spent their
life trying to "pass as black" simply due to
some hidden shame related to not actually being
the very 'mono'-racial group you claim to be
-- but do we really want such name-calling
childish nonsense to take over this thread?

Of course not.

Thus, I am requesting that you stick
to the facts or at least not engage in
name-calling and baseless accusations.

In addition, your broken down example
of what clearly amounts to being
nothing more than another version
of the 'ancient ancestor' concept
(which, again, is another practice of
the racist 'One-Drop Rule' of measuring
'blood' percentages, fractions, AND
chronology) is an example which is
baseless, foolish and without merit.

Not only was this "One-Drop Rule"
'measurement' type of 'theory'
completely disproven in my last
post -- but, in additon, the links
to sites, which have even more
data disproving it, been repeated
listed (and apparently ignored)
throughout this entire thread.

My advice is that you take a look at the
data contained therein as -- for me –
it is very difficult (as well as fruitless)
to carry on a discussion with a person
who not only shows a complete lack of
true academic knowledge on the topic –
yet also insists on making statements that
are founded on nothing more than opinions,
assumptions and conjecture, rather than
empirical evidence and factual documentation.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

Thank you,

AllPeople

(A person who is and has been FULLY mixed
continually and throughout the generations
of the lineage of her African-American family)

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Originally posted by Isome:
Somewhere down the line...

So if it is great-grandparents who are part of the interracial coupling, as opposed to a grandparent or parent, that means one is just Black and can't claim special status. So just stop it!! Stop right now!!

All you wannabe mixed people better be paying attention to the rules. The rules are YOU DO NOT FIT IN WITH THE MIXED PEOPLE... you're just Black and that's nothing special.

Let's see how's that go again... MGM (metro goldwyn mayor)... Oh' no, that's not it. Well, how about FGM (female genital mutilation, arabs, adopted custom, Northern Africa). Uh uhhh, that doesn't sound like it...

GTH ... Go-to-hell! Oh' yeah, that sounds right, just like what Faheem said.
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Are you kidding me?!?!!

Where have you been?!?!!?

Go on the internet and look
up the Amerindian movement!!

They are pactically the first group to
tell someone they have black-bloodlines.

When you're done with that -- look up
the sites created by people who are
of Meditereanean, Irish and other
'caucasian' groups (yes, right here
in America) that are openly laying
claim to their black-ancestry.

Where have you been?!?!!

Claiming to be 'black' or 'part-black' has
become all-the-rage for half the 'white'
and other groups throughout the USA.

Where on earth have you been?!?!!

For evidence of this -- once again --
feel free to see the sites listed below.

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-
http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed

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Originally posted by Faheem:
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Point me in the direction of another group of Human beings who are of a another ethnic group or race claiming to be part Black or African. They dont exist ....


... I have not seen one Native man or woman claim to be of African or Black Ancestry. ...
no white person is out trying to argue they are half Black or partly Black... Why is that? We know why.

...after affirming you are a hybrid what happens next...we get it, you are not Black you are a hybri ...and nothing at all.

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