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OK let me see if I get this straight, a black mayor running a predominantly black city where 27% of the people are under the poverty line. That translates to about oh, 50,000 households that don't own a car. He orders an evacuation and leaves the most vunerable of his constituents behind with no means to get out. These by the way are the facts, now here are the questions;

1. Did Mayor Ray Nagin know these folks did not have cars?

2. Did Mayor Ray Nagin not care that these folks had cars?

3. Did Mayor Ray Nagin care about these poor folks period?

Here we have this nigger, who is pointing the finger at everyone but himself trying to lay the blame at everyone elses feet to deflect blame from his utter and inexcusable incompetence.

Yes, I agree the Feds response was pathetically slow, but when the water recedes and the body count mounts, the majority of this should be placed at the feet of Mayor Ray, an obvious failure within our own leadership.

The stench coming out of New Orleans comes from years of corruption, not caring about the poor and of course, the welfare state.

There are a lot of black folks who left New Orleans, but nobody is talking about that. Do you know what those folks have in common? Most of them are self-sufficient.

You foolish-ass negroes can keep blaming as many white folks as you like. Everytime I see a black mayor, I see black folks suffering in misery, continuing to add to the permanent underclass.

Isn't it interesting though that we never hear about the stench that always resided in city hall before. The media was strangely silent when everybody was "shucking and jiving" along, black folks living in poverty and horrible conditions.

Now that we have a tragedy which exposes Mayor Ray Nagin and his cronies along with that incompetent ass Governor, the blame should go to Bush.

That's OK though, because the people that lost their loved ones, they know the deal,.....they know the deal" by Big Shaft


Well said Big Shaft,

Indeed this is true. Mayor Ray Nagin especially, and the Governor of Louisiana, Mayor Nagin, more so than the Bush Administration, should have been the first line of defense, offense, action, etc.

As it stands, by and large, the affluent, middleclass Blacks, Mayor Nagin High Class Associates, middleclass Caucasian, other individuals of middleclass status left New Orleans, well in advance, of the wrath of Hurricane Katrina and the death that followed.

It should have been Mayor Ray Nagin's first responsibility to aid the disenfranchized, the poverty stricken, who primarily are Black, so that they too, would have escaped the wrath of Hurricane Katrina, and the death that followed. At sea, the captain of the ship, is the last to leave, in the event the ship begins to capsize. Generally, the captain takes action to save or grant life boats to the sickly, women, children, the elderly, before his fellow shipmates, and the captain can leave a sinking ship. The same should apply to Mayor Ray Nagin. Mayor Ray Nagin bent over backwards to save his personal friends, himself, and the "Hell" with the indigent!

It is a known fact that typically our own Black leadership could care less about the plight of the Black underclass, and/or the Black community in general, because the same conclusion can be proven as it relates to Black Los Angeles, Black Baltimore, etc., etc.

....But as usual, blaming the Bush Administration, the Feds, President Bush, Racist Caucasians, gives our own disgraceful inept Black elected leadership an excuse to do nothing but play the race card, or the pointing finger at everyone else except themselves, "Blame Game".

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Michael:

Your post is no different in spirit than the people who are using this tragedy to bash Bush.

It is clear that there was no EFFECTIVE plan of action to deal with the enevitable flood that was predicted.

I blame folks from the local all the way up to the Fed for not having a plan in place before hand.

I also ask why a greater portion of the Black community that needed service was not engaged in the SERVICE PROVIDER side of the house. Were were the Black National Guards Men who could offer their hand in service to their own people?

It is sad that this event will be used to forward the debate that was going on in this country prior to the storm hitting.
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Michael:

Your post is no different in spirit than the people who are using this tragedy to bash Bush.

It is clear that there was no EFFECTIVE plan of action to deal with the enevitable flood that was predicted.

I blame folks from the local all the way up to the Fed for not having a plan in place before hand.

I also ask why a greater portion of the Black community that needed service was not engaged in the SERVICE PROVIDER side of the house. Were were the Black National Guards Men who could offer their hand in service to their own people?

It is sad that this event will be used to forward the debate that was going on in this country prior to the storm hitting.


.....This has nothing to do with any debate, or any analogy to "Bush" bashing. Our own Black elected leadership, and/or that so called Black middleclass have failed. It is certain, that Mayor Ray Nagin, will be the first in line to be fired, should responsible voters, residents, speak their minds. Mayor Ray Nagin had the power, the authority, and the resources at his disposal, to create an opportunity for the indigent to be evacuated from the area, before Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

...and the same can be said with respect to the inept elected Black leadership and disgraceful Black middleclass who praise them, as it relates to Los Angeles, Compton, Baltimore, etc., etc., etc.

A Black man spoke his mind over national television today, which brings the point home, the statement being, "Like the Caucasian middleclass, the Caucasian affluent,.....the Black middleclass and/or Black affluent, ran and never looked back, to leave the Black underclass behind".

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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KATRINA'S AFTERMATH

NBC Deletes Rap Star's Remarks on Telethon

By Matea Gold and Scott Collins, Times Staff Writers

September 4, 2005

Kanye West's impromptu attack on President Bush during a live telecast Friday prompted NBC to delete his remark in its West Coast broadcast of the benefit for hurricane victims.

"George Bush doesn't care about black people," West said.

The rap star also criticized coverage of the catastrophe. "I hate the way they portray us in the media," West said. "If you see a black family, it says they're looting. See a white family, it says they're looking for food."

West's remarks aired unedited in NBC's East Coast and Midwestern markets, and also on the simulcast versions for MSNBC, CNBC and Pax. However, the network turned off his microphone and switched to another performer shortly after he mentioned Bush. The criticism of the president was deleted from the version that appeared on the West Coast three hours later on tape delay.

West Coast viewers did, however, hear West's criticisms of the media and the pace of the relief. NBC officials said the network made the decision to cut the Bush remark because of a desire not to politicize the concert and possibly dissuade viewers from donating.

The benefit "was a live television event wrought with emotion," said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks. "Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him and in no way represents the views of the networks. It would be most unfortunate if the efforts of the artists who participated and the millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person's personal opinion."

During the middle of the telethon, West was paired with actor Mike Myers, who began with prepared remarks. Myers appeared surprised after West began criticizing the media's portrayal of blacks and the pace of rescue and relief efforts. Myers waited for West to finish and then spoke again, sticking to the script.

After a short pause, West said: "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Within minutes, MSNBC President Rick Kaplan, who produced the telethon at Rockefeller Plaza in New York, had cameras cut to actor Chris Tucker, who was on a different part of the stage and who appeared to be looking at something off camera. Viewers could hear West's voice trailing away as his audio was switched off and Tucker began reading from prepared remarks.

Although the event was aired with a brief time delay so technicians could edit out profanity, it took a few minutes for producers to realize that West had strayed from the script.

At the end of the program, host Matt Lauer of NBC's "Today" referred to the high level of emotion surrounding the hurricane's aftermath. He did not address West's remarks directly.

Officials did not have a final tally of the money raised, but Marks said she thought it was a "very substantial" amount.

Gold reported from New York, Collins from Los Angeles. Staff writer Robert Hilburn and Times wire services also contributed to this report.

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The articles that follow spell out the reality of it, namely that the Bush Administration, President Bush, the Republican Party are not responsible for oppressing Black people, but rather the Democratic Party, many times through our own inept, greedy, sleazy, and/or self-serving Black elected officials.

This reality being said, KNBC had good reason and justification for pulling the plug on Kanye West!
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Louisiana's poverty politics

Katrina's aftermath lays bare the state's dirty secret: its ongoing failure to address the needs of its neediest citizens.

By Emily Metzgar, EMILY METZGAR is a columnist for the Shreveport Times. She writes a blog at

September 4, 2005

IF A GOVERNMENT'S primary responsibility is to protect its citizens, then the heartbreaking aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans illustrates the utter abdication of that responsibility. Was the evacuation order for New Orleans issued in time? Sure "” but only for people with sufficient money in their pockets and a car in their garage.

It was no secret that there was going to be a problem. As early as 2002, the New Orleans Times-Picayune speculated about "the big one." The newspaper noted, "Once it's certain a major storm is about to hit, evacuation offers the best chance for survival. But for those who wait, getting out will become nearly impossible as the few routes out of town grow hopelessly clogged. And 100,000 people without transportation will be especially threatened."

In the years that followed, officials sought to anticipate a number of travel woes for residents with cars. It wasn't perfect, but thanks to smart traffic management, many hundreds of thousands of people were able to flee the area in advance of Katrina.

But the state never bothered to address the issue of the 100,000 people without cars "” among the poorest people in the state "” who were unable to leave no matter how badly they might have wanted to. The tragedy unfolding on television over the last few days has provided graphic testimony of that.

How could that have been allowed to happen? The Louisiana political machine in general, and the New Orleans political machine in particular, are famous for their ability to turn out the vote at election time. Legend has it that vans magically show up to transport voters to the polls and that meals or money can just as magically appear as rewards for votes well cast. Where were those vans when it came time to flee the city? Where are the hot meals and cold drinks now?

THE ANSWER HAS to do with the Louisiana government's long-standing lack of interest in the state's neediest residents. By nearly every socioeconomic measure available, the gap between our "haves" and our "have-nots" is stark. A few examples: The state's indigent defender program is in desperate need of reform, but change is being blocked by powerful political players with a vested interest in maintaining the system as it is. The high school dropout rate "” already tied for worst in the nation "” is rising despite much-touted accountability efforts that still fail to keep kids in school. The per-capita prisoner incarceration rate is the highest in the country without the accompanying high rates of crime, recent events in New Orleans notwithstanding. Kids Count, the annual ranking of child well-being, ranks Louisiana 49th for its overall performance, and no wonder: Nearly 50% of the state's children live in poverty (as do 15% of its residents over 65). In New Orleans, the Census Bureau reported that 27.9% of the population lives in poverty "” more than double the national average.

In Louisiana's most recent legislative session, the state saw an influx of tax revenues from the oil industry, increasing the state budget by more than $1 billion over the year before. But despite being flush with new money, somehow there wasn't enough to provide a much-needed salary increase for the state's public schoolteachers. Instead, state money went to legislators' pet projects, a nonsensical reservoir creation program and construction of a convention center hotel in the northwest corner of the state.

Clearly this was an indefensible allocation of resources given the importance of quality public education for any successful poverty reduction plan. Instead, Louisiana's plan for poverty has been limited to a series of so-called summits at which officials talk piously about the problem while doing nothing substantive.

Unfortunately, Louisiana's response to Katrina now appears to be coming from the same playbook.

For years, Louisiana has failed to address the needs of its poorest citizens "” despite politicians' reliance on that same population to maintain the political status quo at the state, parish and municipal level. The dirty secret of Louisiana's poverty politics is now broadcast for the world to see. At this point, the only question is how much longer the state's unwillingness "” or inability "” to serve vast segments of its population will continue to be tolerated.


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Notice the key phrases here, in that state and local officials had no problem at all finding transportation to get those who vote, who are also in poverty, to make it to the polls, so that the Democratic Party can elect or re-elect individuals from within and outside the community into political office. When the alarm was sounded to evacuate the poverty stricken, many of whom also voted, no form of transportation is available. This being said, it is a bunch of crap to even insinuate that President Bush is the culprit, when as reality has it the local and state officials of the area, affiliated with the Democratic Party, used the voting poor to promote their concerns, while ignoring the plight of the underclass to be evacuated from the area in advance of Hurricane Katrina.

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And all that jazz ...
New Orleans' pleasures are legendary, its amazements endless. What might seem a lovely infatuation can turn into a long-term love affair.

By Harry Shearer, HARRY SHEARER is a satirist and actor. He has a weekly show on KCRW.

September 4, 2005

TALK ABOUT love at first sight. A day-and-a-half visit, bracketed by carom-shot flights from Seattle via Dallas, and I was absolutely smitten with New Orleans. What was it, exactly, that snared me as it has so many others?

It was 1988, and I was visiting Jazzfest, the famous festival that so far exceeds the boundaries of its name as to embrace all the music that can claim Africa, the Caribbean and the American South in its roots. I had a couple of meals but nothing astonishing, aside from the sauce-upon-sauce tautology of eggs at Brennan's. What made me fall in love with New Orleans was, simply and inexplicably (like all great love affairs), New Orleans herself.

Two return visits that year, one in the blast furnace of August, sealed the deal. Bringing my then-new wife for her first visit, and watching her fall in love with the place, made it official; ultimately, we bought a place there, which we stay in as much as we can.

Here was a city in the United States but not of it "” the only city in our country where "culture" didn't solely mean "let's act like the classy Europeans do." Daily life had rhythms and meanings unknowable to the outside world "” nearly every square on the calendar has some special significance for the New Orleanian. The city has absolutely different ideas about life and death, and other little topics, from what the rest of America thinks. And it's as grandly welcoming to all comers as the employees in the brothels where, a century ago, on the pianos in the front parlors, jazz was born.

It is corrupt. God, is it corrupt. It's as crooked as the course of the river that gave it its nickname, the Crescent City. It is elegant. It puts on the most amazing airs, building cotton-candy hierarchies of faux royalty and stringing necklaces of plastic beads on the magnolias and live oaks at Carnival time.

It is poor. You may have noticed that almost everybody who didn't or couldn't evacuate was black. And it is fascinating in its racial histories and divides, a city where Creoles have ruled society and, lately, City Hall.

New Orleans partakes of Southern American folkways in its pace "” Caribbean slow "” and in its tendency to make every errand, every chance encounter an opportunity, if not an obligation, to "visit." Its pleasures "” food, music, architecture, the careening highs and lows of conversation that must sustain through three-hour dinners "” are legendary. Its amazements "” the above-ground cemeteries, the street musicians who could play in clubs if they wanted to take a pay cut, the children's Mardi Gras parade, the dog Mardi Gras parade, the Baby Dolls, the lore and the beauty of the Mardi Gras Indians "” are endless. Its cheesy side "” Bourbon Street, Canal Street, drunk college kids throwing up in the gutters "” gets too much attention, but confusing that side with New Orleans is like mistaking Disneyland for L.A. Worse, actually.

How much of this New Orleans, the "land of dreams," will be there when I get to go back, after the water has been pumped and drained, after the sediment has somehow been sucked up, after the debris has been cleared by the city's world-class cleanup crews? Already the speaker of the House, J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), has hinted that he is reluctant to spend billions of federal dollars rebuilding the city, given its vulnerability (although he quickly tried to back off that statement).

The culture lives in its people; unlike Quebec, that culture isn't legislated. Will those people "” the musicians, chefs, sound engineers, writers, waiters, bartenders, hotel staff, photographers, mask makers "” have a way to make a living between now and then? It's easy to know how to make a contribution that will help the immediate relief effort. It's harder to know how to make a contribution that will answer that question.

Do I romanticize New Orleans? Yes and no. Every time I go back, I think to myself, "Maybe this was just a lovely infatuation, and now it's over." And then, every time I open the front door and stroll into the French Quarter for the first time, and look around and inhale the intoxicating mixture of divine cooking aromas and flowers and decay, I know that the affection has only deepened.

But I also live three blocks from the street corner where the best gospel singer/choir director/keyboardist I've ever seen and heard was dumped after he was murdered for his Lincoln Navigator.

The city has a real, cruel, savage side, and poverty certainly doesn't gentle that side down any.

The song asks, "Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?" I fear I do, in a way the songwriter never meant. The slowness of the official response to the situation, to the breach in the canal floodwall and to the needs of so many stranded people, means that I may be missing it for a long, long time.

Copyright Los Angeles Times


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Yet more evidence to prove that President Bush is not responsible because the creoles are running their own "Good Old Boys and Girls" club to further oppress Black people to keep them in poverty, to which many of the creole affluent population are also Black people!

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A NEW New Orleans

Forget crawfish étouffée -- look to ugly Houston for a vibrant economic model.

By Joel Kotkin,

Joel Kotkin, an Irvine Senior Fellow at the New America Foundation, is the author of "The City: A Global History" (Modern Library, 2005)

September 4, 2005

BECAUSE THE OLD New Orleans is no more, it could resurrect itself as the great new American city of the 21st century. Or as an impoverished tourist trap.

Founded by the French in 1718, site of the first U.S. mint in the Western United States, this one-time pride of the South, this one-time queen of the Gulf Coast, had been declining for decades, slowly becoming an antiquated museum.

Now New Orleans must decide how to be reborn. Its choices could foretell the future of urbanism.

The sheer human tragedy "” and the fact that the Gulf Coast is critical to the nation' s economy as well as the Republican Party's base "” guarantee that there will be money to start the project. Private corporations, churches and nonprofits will pitch in with the government.

But what kind of city will the builders create on the sodden ruins?

The wrong approach would be to preserve a chimera of the past, producing a touristic faux New Orleans, a Cajun Disneyland.

Sadly, even before Hurricane Katrina's devastation, local leaders seemed convinced that being a "port of cool" should be the city's policy. Adopting a page from Richard Florida's "creative class" theory, city leaders held a conference just a month before the disaster promoting a cultural strategy as the primary way to bring in high-end industry.

This would be the easy, bankable way to go now: Reconstruct the French Quarter, Garden District and other historic areas while sprucing up the convention center and other tourist facilities. This, however, would squander a greater opportunity. A tourism-based economy is no way to generate a broadly successful economy.

For decades before this latest hurricane, public life, including the police force, were battered by corruption and eroded by inefficiency. Now Katrina has brought into public view the once-invisible masses of desperately poor people whom New Orleans' tourist economy and political system have so clearly failed.
Although the number of hotel rooms in the city has grown by about 50% over the last few years, tourism produces relatively few high-wage jobs. It encourages people to learn extraordinary slide trombone technique, develop 100 exquisite recipes for crawfish and keep swarms of conventioneers happy "” none of which are easy or unimportant tasks. But this economy does little to nurture the array of skills that sustain a large and diverse workforce. Contrary to Florida's precepts, having a strong gay community, lively street culture, great food, tremendous music and lively arts have not been enough to lure the "creative class" to New Orleans. The city has been at best a marginal player in the evolving tech and information economy.

Meanwhile, the tourism/entertainment industry is constantly under pressure from competitors. Once, being the Big Easy in the Bible Belt gave New Orleans a trademark advantage. But the spread of gambling along the Gulf has eroded that semi-sinful allure. Mississippi's flattened casinos, with their massive private investment, will almost certainly rise years ahead of New Orleans' touristic icons.

For all these reasons, New Orleans should take its destruction as an opportunity to change course. There is no law that says a Southern city must be forever undereducated, impoverished, corrupt and regressive. Instead of trying to refashion what wasn't working, New Orleans should craft a future for itself as a better, more progressive metropolis.

Look a few hundred miles to the west, at Houston "” a well-run city with a widely diversified economy. Without much in the way of old culture, charm or tradition, it has far outshone New Orleans as a beacon for enterprising migrants from other countries as well as other parts of the United States "” including New Orleans.

Houston has succeeded by sticking to the basics, by focusing on the practical aspects of urbanism rather than the glamorous. Under the inspired leadership of former Mayor Bob Lanier and the current chief executive, Bill White, the city has invested heavily in port facilities, drainage, sanitation, freeways and other infrastructure.

At least in part as a result of this investment, this superficially less-than-lovely city has managed to siphon industries "” including energy and international trade "” from New Orleans. With its massive Texas Medical Center, it has emerged as the primary healthcare center in the Caribbean basin "” something New Orleans, with Tulane University's well-regarded medical school, should have been able to pull off.

Attention to fundamentals has always been important to cities. Hellenistic Alexandria was built in brick to reduce fire dangers that terrified ancient urbanites, and it lived off its huge new man-made harbor. Rome built stupendous, elaborate water systems and port facilities to support its huge population.

Amsterdam and the Netherlands provide particularly relevant examples, as they offer great urban culture at or below sea level. For centuries the Dutch have coped with rising water levels with ingenious engineering. In this century, the most notable example was the determined response to the devastating 1953 North Sea storm, which killed more than 1,800 people. Responding with traditional efficiency, the Dutch built a massive system of dikes, completed in 1998, which has helped them to remain among the most economically and culturally vibrant regions in Europe.

Giving priority to basic infrastructure may not appeal to those who would prefer to patch the structural problems and spend money on rebuilding New Orleans as a museum, or by adding splashy concert halls, art museums and other iconic cultural structures. Ultimately, the people of the New Orleans region will have to decide whether to focus on resuscitating the Big Easy zeitgeist "” which includes a wink-and-nod attitude toward corruption "” or to begin drawing upon inner resources of discipline, rigor and ingenuity.

Some may argue that such a shift would diminish New Orleans' status in cultural folklore as a corrupt but charming waif. Yet that old ghost is probably already gone. Even a rebuilt, reconfigured Latin Quarter would no doubt seem more Anaheim than anti-bellum. In contrast, a new New Orleans "” a city with a thriving economy, a city of aspiration as well as memory "” would in time create its own cultural efflorescence, this time linked as much to the future as the past. This should be the goal of the great rebuilding process about to begin.

Copyright Los Angeles Times


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The facts speak for themselves. Why is it that the affluent of Houston are more willing to promote fairness, and inclusion for all residents while the same cannot be said for New Orleans?

"For decades before this latest hurricane, public life, including the police force, were battered by corruption and eroded by inefficiency. Now Katrina has brought into public view the once-invisible masses of desperately poor people whom New Orleans' tourist economy and political system have so clearly failed. "

This more so than the unwarranted character assassination of President Bush is also part of the problem, for the intentional and blatant neglect of poverty stricken Black people in New Orleans.
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Notice the key phrases here, in that state and local officials had no problem at all finding transportation to get those who vote, who are also in poverty, to make it to the polls, so that the Democratic Party can elect or re-elect individuals from within and outside the community into political office. When the alarm was sounded to evacuate the poverty stricken, many of whom also voted, no form of transportation is available.This being said, it is a bunch of crap to even insinuate that President Bush is the culprit, when as reality has it the local and state officials of the area, affiliated with the Democratic Party, used the voting poor to promote their concerns, while ignoring the plight of the underclass to be evacuated from the area in advance of Hurricane Katrina.

[COLOR:BLUE]Michael I'm trying to understand how the Mayor let this happen, with disastrous results. What could he have been thinking?
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Michael said:

Notice the key phrases here, in that state and local officials had no problem at all finding transportation to get those who vote, who are also in poverty, to make it to the polls, so that the Democratic Party can elect or re-elect individuals from within and outside the community into political office. When the alarm was sounded to evacuate the poverty stricken, many of whom also voted, no form of transportation is available.This being said, it is a bunch of crap to even insinuate that President Bush is the culprit, when as reality has it the local and state officials of the area, affiliated with the Democratic Party, used the voting poor to promote their concerns, while ignoring the plight of the underclass to be evacuated from the area in advance of Hurricane Katrina.

[COLOR:BLUE]Michael I'm trying to understand how the Mayor let this happen, with disastrous results. What could he have been thinking?


....In addition to "What could he have been thinking"........


.....Contrary to what some of the detractors of this message board have expressed, closer to the reality of it, far too many of our own elected black leaders, and/or many of the Black middleclass are bending over backwards, begging to serve, kissing up to please, etc., every other community but the Black community!

At what point will the Black community hold its' own elected leadership accountable?

The election, and re-election of misfits, into influentual positions of influence, such as an elected representative, etc., as it pertains to far too many of our own Black elected leaders more so than the Bush Administration and/or racist caucasians, is mainly responsible for keeping the Black community in poverty.

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Michael,

Here is a link to article I read:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...AR2005090901767.html

Questions that have been raised regarding Nagin's readiness:

Should there have been a better plan to evacuate those without cars? Was his police force up to the task? Why weren't there supplies for the legions of people directed to the Superdome? Why were all those city buses left in low-lying areas? Why did so many of his officers leave their posts as the city descended into a chaos that left many residents afraid that either thugs or the elements would kill them?


And here is a thought process of questionable motive:

"The Bush administration has the upper hand because they have the apparatus in place to come up with fingers to point," he said. "They have surrogates. They have a huge network that can help them through talk radio and national radio. They have talking points. State and local governments in Louisiana aren't in the propaganda mode. They don't have the ability to fight back. They are in the rescue and rebuilding mode."

Well, at least the rebuilding part anyway.....
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Michael,

Here is a link to article I read:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...AR2005090901767.html

Questions that have been raised regarding Nagin's readiness:

Should there have been a better plan to evacuate those without cars? Was his police force up to the task? Why weren't there supplies for the legions of people directed to the Superdome? Why were all those city buses left in low-lying areas? Why did so many of his officers leave their posts as the city descended into a chaos that left many residents afraid that either thugs or the elements would kill them?


And here is a thought process of questionable motive:

"The Bush administration has the upper hand because they have the apparatus in place to come up with fingers to point," he said. "They have surrogates. They have a huge network that can help them through talk radio and national radio. They have talking points. State and local governments in Louisiana aren't in the propaganda mode. They don't have the ability to fight back. They are in the rescue and rebuilding mode."

Well, at least the rebuilding part anyway.....


Hello Jefftec,

I know that you clearly understand what should have, or what must be done. You have shown, by your response, that you do not allow excuses, or a personal bias, such as hatred for Caucasians, blind the thought process, or block you from taking the necessary action to save your own community, to the best of your ability.

Be it flood, hurricane, earthquake, fire, etc., and ample warning and/or local resources exist, to save the lives of people in your community, there is not a single excuse as to why any mayor, city councilperson, and/or others who are in local positions of influence, would stand idle when the lives of children, women, senior citizens, the disabled, the poverty stricken, your neighbors, your family, and/or your own are at stake.

This would be expecially the case where the people to be saved are of your same ethnic or cultural background. To cry that the Federal government, the State authorities have not arrived, or will not come, therefore as the leader of the community, I will sit by and do nothing, when resources of all forms exist to make things happen. The resources can be people, vehicles, existing roads, boats, helicopters, food, clothing, etc., etc. Considering the circumstances, it would behoove any leader, his followers, and/or others to do the best that they can by using their own talents, energy, resources, etc.,.......that is if the aim is to survive.

It is certain, that many of the poverty stricken, most of whom are Black, who lacked transportation to leave, who wanted to leave before Katrina hit New Orleans, have lost respect for Mayor Ray Nagin. It is certain that his chance of being re-elected by the local residents, especially those who choose to stay and/or who will return will not back Mayor Ray Nagin for re-election. Furthermore, slim chance exists where any outsider who has followed this story, who elects to relocate to New Orleans, would support Mayor Ray Nagin in any bid for re-election.
Michael,

It is certain, that many of the poverty stricken, most of whom are Black, who lacked transportation to leave, who wanted to leave before Katrina hit New Orleans, have lost respect for Mayor Ray Nagin.

Agreed, and let's not forget Governor Blanco.
The failure of their actions (or failure to act) will be on their conscious.

The resources can be people, vehicles, existing roads, boats, helicopters, food, clothing, etc., etc. Considering the circumstances, it would behoove any leader, his followers, and/or others to do the best that they can by using their own talents, energy, resources, etc.,.......that is if the aim is to survive.
You realize that, and you're not even the elected Mayor....for the first line of defense to not use the resources available to him (the Mayor), was just sheer neglect and disregard for the saftey of others.
"Mayor Nagin and Governer Blanco are to blame for this mess...So many people are to blame-- on a local,state,and federal level!!" by jefftec

.....it is just a matter of time, before Governor Blanco, is also booted out of office.

Any elected official who ignores the plight of his or her constituency, meaning the voting public, has just diminished their chance of being re-elected to their present position, and/or in some instances their political career is over!

It is certain that Governor Blanco's, like Mayor Ray Nagin's days are numbered as it relates to being an elected representative.
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"Mayor Nagin and Governer Blanco are to blame for this mess...So many people are to blame-- on a local,state,and federal level!!" by jefftec

.....it is just a matter of time, before Governor Blanco, is also booted out of office.

Any elected official who ignores the plight of his or her constituency, meaning the voting public, has just diminished their chance of being re-elected to their present position, and/or in some instances their political career is over!

It is certain that Governor Blanco's, like Mayor Ray Nagin's days are numbered as it relates to being an elected representative.



I agree
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Any elected official who ignores the plight of his or her constituency, meaning the voting public, has just diminished their chance of being re-elected to their present position, and/or in some instances their political career is over!
by Lofton

We can only hope. But then the Bush cartel has diebold and the supreme court going for it. Who need the electorate?
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Any elected official who ignores the plight of his or her constituency, meaning the voting public, has just diminished their chance of being re-elected to their present position, and/or in some instances their political career is over!
by Lofton

We can only hope. But then the Bush cartel has diebold and the supreme court going for it. Who need the electorate?


Kweli,

Bush will have to eventually give an accounting of the disaster relief effort.
What does Diebold and The Supreme Court have to do with this?
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More Likely Black People Should be Angry With Our Own Leadership!


Spoken like a TRUE apologist. Look, it is the failure of the government at ALL levels for not responding to the needy, handicapped and elderly people of the Gulf Coast who could not get out. Ray Nagin only has control of New Orleans. This hurricane hit 3 states. How is "Black leadership" responsible for the lack of recovery efforts?
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Kweli,

Bush will have to eventually give an accounting of the disaster relief effort.
What does Diebold and The Supreme Court have to do with this?



**Diebold, the big Republican contributor manufactured the voting machines used in the last election that coincidentally were flawed...they make ATM's...and did you ever wonder why you get a receipt for a bank transaction but not a vote....when you get to keep a stub wit traditional voting? just like Florida happened to be the decisive state in the first "selection" of W. As so far as the surpeme court.....that is a no brainer...they put W in office......come on jefftec....you gotta work harder to connect the dots!!!!
**Diebold, the big Republican contributor manufactured the voting machines used in the last election that coincidentally were flawed...they make ATM's...and did you ever wonder why you get a receipt for a bank transaction but not a vote....when you get to keep a stub wit traditional voting? just like Florida happened to be the decisive state in the first "selection" of W. As so far as the surpeme court.....that is a no brainer...they put W in office......come on jefftec....you gotta work harder to connect the dots!!!!


Mr. Kevin,
In Florida it was first the chards on the ballots, now its the ATMs that are flawed.....what will it be next?
If the voters indicate that they expect a receipt, they just might get what they ask for. (and the expense that the requests call for).
Kev,
Bush won the electoral college vote in both 2000 and 2004 elections, very decisive in both situations.

The Supreme Court recently made a controversial ruling on Eminent Domain.....if I don't have to see rulings like that one, that would be alright by me. Unfortunately, the Justices invoking the ruling all had a liberal slant in their philosophies. If Bush elects a conservative then, I understand.
and that is why I thought it was a waste of time to even reply....i'll learn though...read about the technical difficulties associated with using the machines...and if your mind is pre-programmed to rebut facts with vague rhetoric..please spare me the time and do noteven ask me....just research on the Net and you'l find it out....thankz
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Originally posted by Yssys:
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More Likely Black People Should be Angry With Our Own Leadership!


Spoken like a TRUE apologist. Look, it is the failure of the government at ALL levels for not responding to the needy, handicapped and elderly people of the Gulf Coast who could not get out. Ray Nagin only has control of New Orleans. This hurricane hit 3 states. How is "Black leadership" responsible for the lack of recovery efforts?


...indeed jefftec, it was Florida that used the names of deceased individuals, ficticious individuals, felons, noncitizens, allowed more than one vote to be cast by the same individual, etc., all of which add up to fraud, that led to the Democratic Party's demise.

......But as usual, it must be the Republican Party's doing, President George Bush's doing, racist Caucasians doing, etc., etc. This just proves that the Black community is still sleeping, very gullible, and must enjoy being kicked in the rear end, kicked in the rear end as a result of ignorance on the part of the bulk of the Black middleclass, far too many no good Black preachers, snake oil sales poverty pimps, our own treasonous Black elected representatives, and/or those who praise them who have join forces with the perpetrators.


Can't compare the chain of events of the more organized rescue effort that took place in Mississippi, with the chaos, the neglect, the truly disorganized rescue effort on the part of local elected representatives, etc., etc., that are attributed to what took place in New Orleans.

.....but it is local government officals first responsibility to act here. Local government stepped up to the plate for the affluent, the middleclass, the well connected, the local government officials being primarily Black and the primary individuals left behind being indigent Black people.

The Black people who were left behind who wanted to leave, lacked the financial means, and/or otherwise to move out. By and large the individuals who were left behind did not own a car, and could not afford to finance their own relocation.

This being said, President Bush, the Federal Government, the Bush Administration, and/or the Governor are not the primary individuals responsible for the wrath of the Black indigent left behind because of this disaster. The slow response, a truly disorganized rescue effort, disregard for the lives of the indigent, etc., etc., by Ray Nagin, and the Black middleclass left the Black poor in a very vulnerable position.

When the SOS for assistance was sent out by Mayor Ray Nagin to rescue these individuals, the primary individuals doing the rescuing, and providing food, clothing, and shelter for the Black poor who were left behind are primarily Caucasians, affluent Caucasians, and/or virtually anyone else but the Black middleclass, or our Black elected representatives.

But OH well, it must be the fault of the Bush Administration, racist Caucasians, the Governor of New Orleans, FEMA administrators, the Federal Government, etc., etc., while our own elected representatives, and/or the Black middleclass look out for their personal friends, themselves, outsiders, and the "Hell" with the rest of the Black community.

Mind you the Black upperclass, the Black middleclass, Mayor Nagin, etc., etc., had a enough foresight to protect themselves, and left the poverty stricken of the Black community, who needed help to leave the area behind.

.....Heck, many school buses and other forms of transportation stood idle, that could and should have been used to provide transportation for the Black indigent before Katrina hit.

When it was time for the election process, finding a means of transportation to get indigent Black voters to the polls to support Democratic candidates came easy, but when the poverty stricken, the indigent, the underclass who are primarily Black, needed support in the form of government or privately financed transportation from this same group of elected officials, and/or the so-called Black middleclass, their calls for help fell on deaf ears.

Furthermore, the damage resulted from the failure of the levies more so than Hurricane Katrina, to which Mayor Ray Nagin, and/or the Black middleclass were not left out of the loop as it pertains to this reality.
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