MTV's Michael Jackson hypocrisy
MTV, seeking a link to its glorious but long-gone days as a music channel, has all but declared itself the Official Network Of Michael Jackson. It's running nothing but Jackson videos and documentaries Friday and Saturday. MTV and Jackson were virtually childhood friends, proclaims the network's website: "By a stroke of luck (or, perhaps, fate), MTV was fortunate to launch just before Michael Jackson went supernova... Whether it was due to luck or fate, MTV was there for that meteoric rise and everything that followed."

Maybe, but only because MTV was dragged along, kicking and screaming. The first two years it was on the air, MTV didn't run videos from black artists -- any black artist. Even when Jackson's Thriller album started going nuclear in early 1983 -- and Columbia Records began submitting stunning Jackson videos with the production values of mini-movies -- MTV stuck to its racist guns. It was only when Columbia threatened to pull all its other videos if MTV didn't air Jackson's Billie Jean that the channel reluctantly agreed to end its musical apartheid.
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Michael Jackson's MTV impact
by Alan Sepinwall/The Star-Ledger
Friday June 26, 2009, 5:28 PM


How big an impact did Michael Jackson have on MTV? Put it this way: it took Jackson's death to get the channel to start playing music videos again.
For the first day and a half after the death of the King of Pop, MTV largely abandoned its usual lineup of reality shows in favor of a marathon of Jackson videos, from the classics like "Beat It" to more obscure ones like 2001's "You Rock My World" (with a Marlon Brando cameo!).

It's been often said that Jackson brought about two fundamental changes to the world of music video: he desegregated MTV, and the cost and scope of his videos marked a paradigm shift away from the cheap, unambitious schlock MTV had been showing to that point.

There's more evidence supporting the former theory than the latter, but Jackson inarguably made as big a mark in the world of video as he did in the world of music itself.

Great as his songs were, many of our strongest memories of him come from television: The early Jackson 5 appearances with Diana Ross. The Rankin/Bass-produced Saturday morning cartoon. Jackson moonwalking to "Billie Jean" on the Motown 25th anniversary special on CBS in 1983, which has to rank alongside the "Ed Sullivan Show" debuts of Elvis Presley and The Beatles among the most iconic moments in the crossover between music and TV.

Most of all, we think of the videos: of Michael as a dancing zombie in "Thriller," Michael as a tough gang kid in "Beat It," Michael evading the paparazzi in "Billie Jean," etc. As he grew from boy to man, it was his dancing as much as his singing that made him the King of Pop, and nowhere was his otherworldly footwork on better display than in his videos.

MTV executives have always denied that there was any kind of prohibition against African American artists in the channel's early days, while Walter Yetnikoff, who was the head of Jackson's record label at the time, has always insisted there was.

Yetnikoff wrote in his autobiography, "Howling at the Moon," that "I screamed bloody murder when MTV refused to air his videos. They argued that their format, white rock, excluded Michael's music. I argued they were racist (jerks) -- and I'd trumpet it to the world if they didn't relent... With added pressure from Quincy Jones, they caved in, and in doing so the MTV color line came crashing down."

Whether MTV's resistance to Jackson had to do with color or genre, there was no question that his videos quickly became the channel's biggest draw.

The launch of the video for "Thriller" -- a 13-minute pastiche of '50s horror movies, directed by John Landis and featuring horror legend Vincent Price in a cameo -- was presented with all the pomp and circumstance of a movie premiere. Later Jackson videos, notably "Bad" and "Black or White," got similar treatment.

Whether there had previously been resistance to artists of color on the channel or not, there's no question that they became more prevalent after Jackson's ascension.

As for changing the content of the videos themselves, what Jackson and his collaborators accomplished wasn't so much a matter of kind as of degree. While the reputation of early '80s MTV was of low-budget videos that were little more than glorified concert footage, many videos of the pre-"Thriller" period were ambitious and/or expensive, like Duran Duran's "Rio," or Blondie's "Rapture."

But the "Beat It" video cost a reported $150,000, a huge figure at the time. "Thriller" was an epic. Many of Jackson's videos in later years would debut at an extreme length, then be cut down for regular airplay.

In addition to Landis, Jackson would work with directors like Martin Scorsese ("Bad"), John Singleton ("Remember the Time," which featured cameos by Eddie Murphy and Magic Johnson), Spike Lee ("They Don't Care About Us") and David Fincher ("Who Is It"). (Jackson also got Francis Ford Coppola to direct "Captain EO," the 3-D movie musical that used to play at Disney's theme parks.)

And as Jackson put more time, money and artistry into his videos, other singers followed suit.

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No one in the media wants to agree to the fact.

Michael Joseph Jackson FORCED quality into the video industry.

The fact that the quality was created by an African American...AND...was the starring performer in the product was intolerable.

MTV was...from concept...a medium for European rock 'n roll performers.

And they don't want the truth of history to touch them today.

eeeHeee!!!!!!!

PEACE

Jim Chester
MTV never tried to hide the fact that it was set up to be a rock and roll format. At that time there were no big time black rock acts. Rick James and many others began to complain and cry racism, but was their choice of music format.....they now see that choice was wrong, but race had nothing to do with it.
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Originally posted by nuggyt:
MTV never tried to hide the fact that it was set up to be a rock and roll format. At that time there were no big time black rock acts. Rick James and many others began to complain and cry racism, but was their choice of music format.....they now see that choice was wrong, but race had nothing to do with it.


You make a sound argument. You don’t hear a mixing of genres very often. When was the last time you heard a country western song on the local hip hop stations or when was the last time you heard hard rock on the local country station? So what you say is plausible. That said, did racism play a role in the format they chose? I would say yes, indirectly if not directly because they were looking to make a profit and hence were dependent upon securing big time advertisement dollars. The advertising industry has been racist for a long time. Black radio hardly got the ad dollars that white radio did, even if they had as many listeners. Racism is so engrained in the fabric of this nation that its almost always a factor. But you make a very plausible argument..aside from the absolute of "Nothing", which I take you meant as a figure of speech.
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Originally posted by nuggyt:
Fuck you mother fucker. Keep that uncle tom shit to yourself....the fact is the network's main VJ was a black man. It was music format, if don't agree with me; that is one thing. Don't come at me all fucked up like that.


I'll take that sax and shove it so far up your throat you could blow kenny g. from your azz.

You are an unabashed uncle tom.

MTV's choice to not play MJ was racism.
MTV playe "white" R&B all the time...
Hall and Oats was a mianstay at the time...
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
You make a sound argument. You don’t hear a mixing of genres very often. When was the last time you heard a country western song on the local hip hop stations or when was the last time you heard hard rock on the local country station? So what you say is plausible. That said, did racism play a role in the format they chose? I would say yes, indirectly if not directly because they were looking to make a profit and hence were dependent upon securing big time advertisement dollars. The advertising industry has been racist for a long time. Black radio hardly got the ad dollars that white radio did, even if they had as many listeners. Racism is so engrained in the fabric of this nation that its almost always a factor. But you make a very plausible argument..aside from the absolute of "Nothing", which I take you meant as a figure of speech.


nuggyt head makes no sense at all...
and his cliams are 100% false...
MTV at the time played Hall & Oats to death...
H&O's is a white R&B band...
There is really no argument here. Its not a secret that MTV wouldn't play MJ although he was one of the biggest stars at the time. CBS had to pull out the big guns by threatening to pull the videos of their white artists & consequently their financial support of MTV. CBS hit them in the purse strings at a time when MTV was truly struggling to get started. It was a great move on the part of CBS in terms of their investment into Michael Jackson.
Now of course, we are speaking of the early 1980's when many black acts were limited to dance clubs and urban radio because of the continued racism in the music business.
I guess what I'm saying is that it was a business move, plain and simple. They knew how to play MTV to get what they wanted at CBS.
fro

Brothas Brothas I know we are all UPSET about Michael…but! :nono Anymore teresterone and it'll be world war III up in this camp fo' sure. So. Be nice. I got in a heated argument about Michael yesterday myself. And I lost my cool too. But! Now that I think about it….many of us are sooooooooooo "pissed" that one of our living legends has been senselessly snatched from us unexpectedly that it causes us to be a little short-fused. Cuz we can agree we've lost a major genius and trail brazer in our community…and there will NEVER be any one black or white close to being like him or achieved what he has. Ever. At least in our lifetime, we experienced another unprecedented milestone in our African American legacy. Michael Jackson. Now we proudly can say we live the music of Michael Jackson and in his honor should create a heartfelt tradition to pass this unique experience onto the next generation of blackfolks-that's the least we can do….right? So...do what you do to defuse this...[and put that measuring stick away] cuz it's not worth getting all hot under the collar about something NOBODY can do a goddamn thang about. Right? Especially in this case. Big boys shake hands.... Don't do anything STUPID you can't take back! This is just words on a message board.....that's all. No reason to be FOOLISH...just cuz you don't like what a person saysRoll Eyes come on nowEek

fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
fro

Brothas Brothas I know we are all UPSET about Michael…but! :nono Anymore teresterone and it'll be world war III up in this camp fo' sure. So. Be nice. I got in a heated argument about Michael yesterday myself. And I lost my cool too. But! Now that I think about it….many of us are sooooooooooo "pissed" that one of our living legends has been senselessly snatched from us unexpectedly that it causes us to be a little short-fused. Cuz we can agree we've lost a major genius and trail brazer in our community…and there will NEVER be any one black or white close to being like him or achieved what he has. Ever. At least in our lifetime, we experienced another unprecedented milestone in our African American legacy. Michael Jackson. Now we proudly can say we live the music of Michael Jackson and in his honor should create a heartfelt tradition to pass this unique experience onto the next generation of blackfolks-that's the least we can do….right? So...do what you do to defuse this...[and put that measuring stick away] cuz it's not worth getting all hot under the collar about something NOBODY can do a goddamn thang about. Right? Especially in this case. Big boys shake hands.... Don't do anything STUPID you can't take back! This is just words on a message board.....that's all. No reason to be FOOLISH...just cuz you don't like what a person saysRoll Eyes come on nowEek

fro


You're right Koco. Besides, I heard on the ABC World News Now that a person on a bus last week, got a text message about the death of Michael Jackson. One person allegedly said, "About time that pedophile is dead." Needless to say, the guy who received the text, was an MJ fan and was very pissed. The fight inside the bus was so great that people were hurt due to the bus turning over.

I'm already trying to keep myself, with those "journalists" on Fox News in their hate mode, but why should I be surprised? Fox News hate to see any black man make more than minimum wage, let alone sell over a billion records.
Originally posted by Huey
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You're right Koco. Besides, I heard on the ABC World News Now that a person on a bus last week, got a text message about the death of Michael Jackson. One person allegedly said, "About time that pedophile is dead." Needless to say, the guy who received the text, was an MJ fan and was very pissed. The fight inside the bus was so great that people were hurt due to the bus turning over.


fro What!!!? See? That's what I''m talkin'' about. People just to step away from the emotion....and be considerate. This is NOT the time for personal opinions....folks have lost their son...father and brother. And fans have lost a historic figure and need some RESPECT and time to allow this tragedy to settle/digest. Cuz...he was a brotha...you know.

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I'm already trying to keep myself, with those "journalists" on Fox News in their hate mode, but why should I be surprised? Fox News hate to see any black man make more than minimum wage, let alone sell over a billion records.


True dat. They hate the fact that Michael is LOVED [and KNOWN] all over the world...and are trying to do everything in their power to discredit him by bringing up past allegations and his financial debt....they didn't do that with Farrah. Didn''t talk about who she's gonna leave everything to...but!

Another thang.....and I'm not trying to be funny...but for the life of me I can't understand why Al Sharpton is apart of this???? Could someone please tell me? Cuz I saw the press conference this morning....and brotha man could have let somebody else speak for the family....and Joseph[the father] it's clear he is gettin' old. He seems a bit senile. I'm serious!

And I am soooo afraid that they will misuse this opportunity to bring forth somethin dynamic just by lettin Joseph and Al be the spoke people. Cuz man! Even though Joseph was tryin' to justify why he said what he said on CNN...it seem a bit odd to be talkin about a record company when everybody wants to know what they are gonna about Michael's funeral. It was a ploy to me to clean up some stuff....I just think it was inappropriate...but! Where is JERMAINE??? You whoooo? Jermaine...Jackie....Tito..Anybody!!! Come get Al and your daddy....cuzConfused

fro
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There is really no argument here. Its not a secret that MTV wouldn't play MJ although he was one of the biggest stars at the time. CBS had to pull out the big guns by threatening to pull the videos of their white artists & consequently their financial support of MTV. CBS hit them........... I'm saying is that it was a business move, plain and simple. They knew how to play MTV to get what they wanted at CBS.


This is very true. I recall those days when MTV was under pressure to open its doors to black music. They had a good thing going with their all white pop-rock format. I’m sure it was probably a business decision more than a racial one (although I’m not totally ruling the possibility out). There was some fierce resistance by MTV because of the reticence of diluting an all white music format and not knowing the reaction by its dedicated viewing audience. They finally relented. But it was a celebrated battle. I guess they looked at it as someone suggested, you would not integrate soul with bluegrass or jazz with polka.
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Originally posted by Xeon:
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There is really no argument here. Its not a secret that MTV wouldn't play MJ although he was one of the biggest stars at the time. CBS had to pull out the big guns by threatening to pull the videos of their white artists & consequently their financial support of MTV. CBS hit them........... I'm saying is that it was a business move, plain and simple. They knew how to play MTV to get what they wanted at CBS.


This is very true. I recall those days when MTV was under pressure to open its doors to black music. They had a good thing going with their all white pop-rock format. I’m sure it was probably a business decision more than a racial one (although I’m not totally ruling the possibility out). There was some fierce resistance by MTV because of the reticence of diluting an all white music format and not knowing the reaction by its dedicated viewing audience. They finally relented. But it was a celebrated battle. I guess they looked at it as someone suggested, you would not integrate soul with bluegrass or jazz with polka.


On the soul and bluegrass point, I beg to differ. Some pretty innovative collaborations and fusions have come from just that combination. The Rhythm, Country and Blues album, the group Crooked Still, and some of the works of Appalshop are a few that I can think of off the top of my head. And there aren't any American musical genres that can't trace part of their roots back to Gospel. So American music has always been "integrated" in that sense, even when the performers were all white. It's always funny to me when white Americans take Black music, slang, dance, and fashion, appropriate it, rename it, and claim it as their own. God forbid they acknowledge imitating Black folks.
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Originally posted by Malik:
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Originally posted by Xeon:
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There is really no argument here. Its not a secret that MTV wouldn't play MJ although he was one of the biggest stars at the time. CBS had to pull out the big guns by threatening to pull the videos of their white artists & consequently their financial support of MTV. CBS hit them........... I'm saying is that it was a business move, plain and simple. They knew how to play MTV to get what they wanted at CBS.


This is very true. I recall those days when MTV was under pressure to open its doors to black music. They had a good thing going with their all white pop-rock format. I’m sure it was probably a business decision more than a racial one (although I’m not totally ruling the possibility out). There was some fierce resistance by MTV because of the reticence of diluting an all white music format and not knowing the reaction by its dedicated viewing audience. They finally relented. But it was a celebrated battle. I guess they looked at it as someone suggested, you would not integrate soul with bluegrass or jazz with polka.


On the soul and bluegrass point, I beg to differ. Some pretty innovative collaborations and fusions have come from just that combination. The Rhythm, Country and Blues album, the group Crooked Still, and some of the works of Appalshop are a few that I can think of off the top of my head. And there aren't any American musical genres that can't trace part of their roots back to Gospel. So American music has always been "integrated" in that sense, even when the performers were all white. It's always funny to me when white Americans take Black music, slang, dance, and fashion, appropriate it, rename it, and claim it as their own. God forbid they acknowledge imitating Black folks.


yeah

I can't tell you how many euro-american artists are performing at BLUES and JAZZ festivals. Many euro-americans picked up an appreciation for these artforms while "hanging around" bluesmen and jazz players. Country music is full of instrumentalists who honed their chops in blues houses or watching black musicians...
I think some of you may have not understood xeon's point, when he pointed out my point. What I was saying is that you don't find a hard rock or heavy metal format radio station playing Country Music; You would not find a Hip Hop station playing Jazz. I was not talking about a fusion of music forms and hence I don't believe Xeon was talking about a fusion either. MTV could have been created like a Radio station in that it was playing only one format of music and did not want to mix its format with another genre of music
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I think some of you may have not understood xeon's point, when he pointed out my point. What I was saying is that you don't find a hard rock or heavy metal format radio station playing Country Music; You would not find a Hip Hop station playing Jazz. I was not talking about a fusion of music forms and hence I don't believe Xeon was talking about a fusion either. MTV could have been created like a Radio station in that it was playing only one format of music and did not want to mix its format with another genre of music



I think some of you may not have understood Malik's point about collaborations and fusions. The larger issue being, Rock N Roll was initiated by blacks like Chuck Berry and Ike Turner, Country music relies heavily on the same subject matter, guitar riffs, and scale as blues...If a radio station/video station has to rely on the "we only play white music" rationale then they are SOL because their music is our music. You do not get an elvis, buddy holly, beatles, eric clapton, Carly Simon, etc WITHOUT blues and gospel...
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I think some of you may have not understood xeon's point, when he pointed out my point. What I was saying is that you don't find a hard rock or heavy metal format radio station playing Country Music; You would not find a Hip Hop station playing Jazz. I was not talking about a fusion of music forms and hence I don't believe Xeon was talking about a fusion either. MTV could have been created like a Radio station in that it was playing only one format of music and did not want to mix its format with another genre of music



I think some of you may not have understood Malik's point about collaborations and fusions. The larger issue being, Rock N Roll was initiated by blacks like Chuck Berry and Ike Turner, Country music relies heavily on the same subject matter, guitar riffs, and scale as blues...If a radio station/video station has to rely on the "we only play white music" rationale then they are SOL because their music is our music. You do not get an elvis, buddy holly, beatles, eric clapton, Carly Simon, etc WITHOUT blues and gospel...


Oh....I most definately agree with this! No question about it.
What are you clowns bitching and moaning about?


They're playing "black" music now aren't they?


Isn't this what you wanted? For whites to like yo museeeq?


Well they certainly like yo museeeeeq now don't they? Why is that?


How do you like it?


Be careful what you whine for.
Originally posted by MaynardJ
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What are you clowns bitching and moaning about?


They're playing "black" music now aren't they?


Isn't this what you wanted? For whites to like yo museeeq?


Well they certainly like yo museeeeeq now don't they? Why is that?


How do you like it?


Be careful what you whine for.


fro Why the FOCK are you here???? What is your purpose again? Aren't there some racist hillybilly sites you could be spinming on instead of ANNOYING the fock outta us? Why. Don't. You. Just. GO!!!! Roll Eyes

fro
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Originally posted by blaqfist:
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Originally posted by nuggyt:
Fuck you mother fucker. Keep that uncle tom shit to yourself....the fact is the network's main VJ was a black man. It was music format, if don't agree with me; that is one thing. Don't come at me all fucked up like that.


I'll take that sax and shove it so far up your throat you could blow kenny g. from your azz.

You are an unabashed uncle tom.

MTV's choice to not play MJ was racism.
MTV playe "white" R&B all the time...
Hall and Oats was a mianstay at the time...


laugh lol laugh 20 thanks
Katherine Jackson, my heart, love and prayers go to you and you only, as the international circus transpires over your son and the millions/billions he made during his lifetime.

When the final breath is made by all, not a damn cent is going with anyone.

May God give you the strength. You gave us a wonderful prodigy. I'll truly miss him. He sure was cute and very talented.
I think it is a misnomer to believe that MTV in the 1980's only played 1 genre of music. They played one "race" of music but multiple genres...

Hall and Oats, Boy George, ZZ Top, Billy Idol, Duran Duran were a cross of genres. Hall and Oats is essentially a white R&B group...

Boy George was "poppish"...

So it is patently false to continue to think it was all about genres...
Michael's a money-making machine. He's worth more dead than alive. Whenever there's millions of dollars involved, the European's on it like "white on rice." I see them all just rubbing their hands with glee. That's what this is all about. MONEY!!!!!!! And MO' MONEY!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by blaqfist:
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Originally posted by nuggyt:
Fuck you mother fucker. Keep that uncle tom shit to yourself....the fact is the network's main VJ was a black man. It was music format, if don't agree with me; that is one thing. Don't come at me all fucked up like that.


I'll take that sax and shove it so far up your throat you could blow kenny g. from your azz.

You are an unabashed uncle tom.


MTV's choice to not play MJ was racism.
MTV playe "white" R&B all the time...
Hall and Oats was a mianstay at the time...


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Again, what are you fools whining about. MTV is playing "black" music now aren't they?

How do you like it?


Maybe instead of bitching and moaning about some white company not turning your music into step-and-fetchit coon central. You could take control of your own music and it wouldn't turn into a wasteland that is turning your children into depraved animals and also not advertise AAs in a way that is eerily similar to what people in the 15th through 19th century used to justify evil acts towards AAs.

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