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No one is suggesting that parents should get a gun or kick someone's azz.....that is just the reality of the matter...Learn to look at things realistically and stop taking someone else's words and misconstruing them to fit your arguement. That was not advice you dipshit, it was an observation of what allot of parents would do to your azz if you bothered their children. Can you please get that through your thick azz skull and quit speaking incorrectly on my behalf? That is the MO of a dumb-azz okay?
Well Kevin41,

"No one is suggesting that parents should get a gun or kick someone's azz.....that is just the reality of the matter...Learn to look at things realistically and stop taking someone else's words and misconstruing them to fit your arguement. That was not advice you dipshit, it was an observation of what allot of parents would do to your azz if you bothered their children. Can you please get that through your thick azz skull and quit speaking incorrectly on my behalf? That is the MO of a dumb-azz okay?" by Kevin41

Although this is the reality of it in the inner-city, where:

A. The judicial system, the legislative system, law enforcement, the policing authorities, the elected officials, the churches, the educational system, social services, community concern, respect for family rights, respect for human life, respect for the property rights of others, the so-called university educated, etc., are truly dysfunctional, as it concerns protecting the rights of the law abiding.

B. In a Mike Tyson's school of how best to go after those who allegedly molest your children or otherwise.

.....this is not the reality of it in any functioning working class or affluent community where:

C. The court system truly functions.

D. The preachers and/or church membership are not sacrilegious.

E. The policing authorities truly defend, protect and serve as the decal clearly states on the side of most every police vehicle.

F. The elected officials truly act as servants of the people, and honor their sworn under oath duty to respect the U.S. Constitution, the respective State Constitutions, the "Bill of Rights", etc.

G. The residents are very politically active, so much so, that they will remove those who disrespect the rights of the law abiding from any position of authority.

H. The university educated prove that they deserve respect and/or recognition by their actions to be ethical, competent, faithful, show by their actions over "lip service" they are in fact intelligent, trustworthy, law abiding, real, christian, moral, responsible, American, ethnic, etc.

to protect the rights of all law abiding U.S. citizens. It would be very foolish for anyone in a functioning law abiding working class or affluent community, "to get a gun or kick someone's ass" to settle the score, when the penalty for doing so may land you in prison, and/or subject you to civil liability, just as surely as it will land anyone proven to be a child molestor or otherwise in prison, subject the perpetrator to civil liability for damages incurred, etc.

Case in point, in the 1970's, Stan Dukes, a Black newscaster, caught another Black man fooling around with his wife, to which he killed this individual. Stan Dukes was criminally indicted and convicted of murder, to which he served time in prison, which ended his newscasting career.

It would have been more productive for Stan Dukes to divorce his wife, to let by gones be by gones. California being the community property state that it is, it would be of more value, to take the necessary legal action to keep his wife from acquiring 50% of their shared assets, than to take the law into his own hands to commit the crime of murder. Here is a Black man, who's career is ruined, because he chose to kill another individual, for a wife that was basically a piece of "trash". Heck, should an arm or leg become infected to the point that it would behoove you to amputate the leg or arm, over losing your life because of the infection, so be it.

"**So in other words, you are taking speculation and turning it into facts to satisfy that self-hating mindset of yours? Is that the case Lofton.....any black is whatever you choose to label them as? I didn't ask you what the f-k adults from all walks of life know. I asked you what factual proof do you have that Michael is actually a child molester? can you answer THAT question please?" by Kevin41

The only idiot here is you. As far as speaking incorrectly in another's behalf perhaps you should take some of your own advice, because you continue to attempt to speak for me, and your contentions are very inaccurate.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

P.S.

It is certain that numerous standup comics are having a field day with this one, "Oh I'm absolutely, positively innocent, but never mind here's twenty million! Sure, Sure, Sure, this clearly means the guy did it, because closer to the truth,the twenty million is for the victim and/or his attorney to sweep the incident under the carpet, so that the fact that children molested by the defendant doesn't make the news, or go to trial!"

"I did not speak for you. You referred to MJ as a known pedophile......I asked you to explain where you got proof from. Now if you do not see the difference between me using your words exactly as they were spoken by you and taking my words outlining people's actions and calling it advice, then you are a f-king idiot Lofton. I use your exact speech to phrase a question to you.......what do you not understand? So once again, where is the prof that MJ is KNOWN child molester as YOU stated?" by Kevin41

If an animal walks like a duck, smells like duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is 99.9999 percent chance that it is a duck! Although there have been many truly innocent Black men and women who have been falsely accused, defamed, criminally indicted, jailed, and/or fined, Michael Jackson, is not even close to being among the truly innocent!

I referred to Michael Jackson as a known pedophile, because he is a world renowned pedophile! Well Kevin41, I'm flipping your script, "What do you not understand?"


[This message was edited by Lofton on November 24, 2003 at 07:42 PM.]
People do those kinda things all the time....no one is saying it is right....just the reality of things.......did you see where the white guy pushed his daughter off a cliff because he did not want to pay child support, or do you have a filter that only captures undesirable behavior by blacks? What people SHOULD do and what they ACTUALLY do differs quite a bit of the time.....


I did not speak for you. You referred to MJ as a known pedophile......I asked you to explain where you got proof from. Now if you do not see the difference between me using your words exactly as they were spoken by you and taking my words outlining people's actions and calling it advice, then you are a f-king idiot Lofton. I use your exact speech to phrase a question to you.......what do you not understand? So once again, where is the prof that MJ is KNOWN child molester as YOU stated?
The more I hear about this sad, sad, story, the more I think that both sides of the coin are true.

1)That he really did do these things
2)That the boy's mother is a straight up pimp, and is using her child to get money out of Michael.

I'm sorry, I know Mike's been said to be extremely sheltered and Naive, but the business sense that he has shows that he's not THAT out of the loop to keep allowing kids to sleep over at his house AFTER he's already been in trouble for the same thing before.

I feel sorry for Mike because he's obviously a VERY disturbed man with A LOT of issues. Of that we can all be sure, but he needs to stop putting himself in harm's way. I also heard about how he completely flipped out on the plan. I wouldn't be surprised if the man commits suicide soon.
Well Kevin41, and/or anyone else of similar mindset,

"I did not speak for you. You referred to MJ as a known pedophile......I asked you to explain where you got proof from. Now if you do not see the difference between me using your words exactly as they were spoken by you and taking my words outlining people's actions and calling it advice, then you are a f-king idiot Lofton. I use your exact speech to phrase a question to you.......what do you not understand? So once again, where is the prof that MJ is KNOWN child molester as YOU stated?" by Kevin41

If an animal walks like a duck, smells like duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a 99.9999 percent chance that the animal is a duck!

Although there have been many truly innocent Black men and women who have been falsely accused, defamed, criminally indicted, jailed, and/or fined, Michael Jackson, is not even close to being among the truly innocent of Black America, who have been so seriously, unwarrantedly violated!

I referred to Michael Jackson as a known pedophile, because he is a world renowned pedophile! Well Kevin41, I'm flipping your script, "What do you not understand?" Now if you can't see this reality, then no amount of explanation will do, because that idiot, can just as surely be a university professor, any wire puller, or any other individual. Being an idiot is an "equal opportunity reality", because Affirmative Action is not needed to classify or validate, that such an individual is a hard headed, very backwards, heading the wrongway Baffoon of an idiot!

....Furthermore, it is the height of an insult to even associate Michael Jackson, the pedophile, the Caucasian "wanna be" ..."who never will be"...."who surrounds himself with nothing but Caucasians", who seeks to deceive the gullible of Black America into believing he is innocent,....height of insult to associate any Michael Jackson with the untold numbers of truly innocent Black men and women, who deserve to be compensated, and exhonerated for atrocities truly unearned, and/or penal incarceration clearly not deserved.

Again, mind you, many truly innocent Black men and women, who face truly unearned penal incarcertion, perhaps the "Death Penalty", like a Geronimo Pratt, rot in prison, never to see the streets again, to which many of the so called Black middle class, and/or others could care less! Many of the truly innocent of Black America, are not behind bars for crimes of disgrace, such as child molestation, to which even the prison inmates would frown on with disgust, but rather for attempted murder, armed robbery, burglary, drug dealing, possession of illicit narcotics, prostitution, bank robbery, murder, check forgery, GTA, embezzlement, assault with a deadly weapon, car jacking, welfare fraud, resisting arrest and/or interferring with a police officer, stealing food to feed themselves, stealing clothing to keep their children warm, etc., be it earned or unearned.

Since Michael Jackson likes to play with little boy's tootsie rolls, it won't be long before Michael receives the thrill of his life, in meeting and greeting "Bubba the Booty Bandit". It is certain, that just as surely as we all follow the news reports concerning Michael Jackson, and his sexual preferences for little boys, numerous prison inmates in various penal institutions across the U.S. have also followed, this story.

Michael Jackson is going to wish that he was dead, should he be mixed with the general male prison population. I'm willing to bet strongly that it will be a matter of seconds before any prison inmate forgets that he is a celebrity, and subjects Michael to his favorite passion, meaning sodomy, or perhaps running a train on his rear end!

Let an O.J. Simpson, or a Michael Jackson beg for mercy, both of whom are as guilty as guilty can get, and an overwhelming majority of Black people march, plead, fight, defend, etc., individuals who are not worth setting free, period, period, period!

But here again the perversion of the Black community, stands tall in the name of unrighteousness. Typically, the Black community, is a community where known criminals walk free daily, and/or where individuals who should be behind bars never see so much as one day behind bars, while the truly innocent of Black America, have the book of penal incarceration thrown on them, all with the blessing of middle class Black America!

Even after gaining his freedom, O.J. could not wait to hook up with his next Caucasian mistress, never looking back, to so much as say, "Thank You", to the many Black men and/or women, who came to his rescue, some of whom lost their jobs, risked death, faced heated arguments, faced stress beyond belief, faced heart attack, perhaps lost best friends, careers were damaged, etc.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

P.S.

"***man, listen to how you sound.........." by Kevin41

What is the matter Kevin41, you don't appreciate the truth coming out, and/or factual evidence sent you running. Just a short while ago the question posed to me was, "So once again, where is the proof that Michael Jackson is a KNOWN child molester as YOU stated?"

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 25, 2003 at 09:30 PM.]
Lofton posted,

I referred to Michael Jackson as a known pedophile, because he is a world renowned pedophile! Well Kevin41, I'm flipping your script, "What do you not understand?" Now if you can't see this reality, then no amount of explanation will do, because that idiot, can just as surely be a university professor, any wire puller, or any other individual. Being an idiot is an "equal opportunity reality", because Affirmative Action is not needed to classify or validate, that such an individual is a hard headed, very backwards, heading the wrongway Baffoon of an idiot!

***man, listen to how you sound..........
Memo Could Boost Jacko's Defense
Dec. 9, 2003


Los Angeles police and child welfare officials earlier this year cleared pop singer Michael Jackson of allegations that he sexually abused a cancer-stricken boy, according to a confidential government memo.

The internal memo, obtained by The Smoking Gun Web site, says a confidential investigation found that the allegations against Jackson were "unfounded," months before Jackson was arrested on molestation charges.

The self-proclaimed "King Of Pop" surrendered to Santa Barbara County authorities Nov. 20 after an arrest warrant alleged he committed lewd or lascivious acts with the boy. He was released on $3 million bail, and authorities said they expect to file formal charges the week of Dec. 15. He has denied the allegations.

According to the Nov. 26 memo, the child was interviewed in February by a social worker assigned to the Sensitive Case Unit of L.A.'s Department of Children & Family Services and "denied any form of sexual abuse" by Jackson and said he never "slept in the same bed as the entertainer."

Jackson is never specifically named in the memo, and is instead referred to as "the entertainer."

The Jackson abuse case resulted from an investigation that was launched in response to a complaint filed by an official from the Los Angeles Unified School District, the memo states.

The memo indicated that the school official suspected the boy was being neglected by his mother and sexually abused by "the entertainer."

According to the memo, the boy's 12-year-old brother also denied sexual abuse. Their sister told investigators that she accompanied her brothers on sleepovers to Jackson's Neverland Ranch, but had "never seen anything sexually inappropriate between her brothers and the entertainer."

While acknowledging that her son "has slept in the same room as the entertainer," the boy's mother told investigators "they did not share a bed," adding that the entertainer would sleep on the floor.

According to The Smoking Gun, the joint probe by DCFS and the Los Angeles Police Department ran from February 14-27 and, the memo states, the investigation, "concluded the allegations of neglect and sexual abuse to be unfounded both by the LAPD-Wilshire Division and the Department."

It is unclear how the Smoking Gun obtained the government document.


There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
Lofton posted,

What is the matter Kevin41, you don't appreciate the truth coming out, and/or factual evidence sent you running.


*** well lofton, the documentation associated with an accusation is not factual at all. If you ever go to school and answer questions with the irrelevancy you do, you are in for a long long struggle. Now what is your take on the memo released. I am sure you can assert yourself with the same vigor you used to endict the man as a KNOWN pedophile. When asked for facts, you stated if it walks and looks like a duck then it is a duck. Is such a juvenille and simple reply indicative of your acacdemic acumen? If so, you really need to develop comprehension, retention and articulation skills that will afford you the ability to specifically answer a specific question.
"According to the Nov. 26 memo, the child was interviewed in February by a social worker assigned to the Sensitive Case Unit of L.A.'s Department of Children & Family Services and "denied any form of sexual abuse" by Jackson and said he never "slept in the same bed as the entertainer."

That is not proof, that is garbage. The credibility of that typical social worker is very unreliable, and/or much, much, less than credible. The Credibility of Social Workers Does Not Account for Much Now Days, Especially as Applied to California. Such an endorsement, memo, etc., would mean the "Kiss of Death" to any claim supporting Michael's innocence!

I can't see or say anything good about a one of them, because my experience has taught me well not to believe, place any faith in, or trust any advice coming from any social worker. This would be especially the case as it concerns many Black social workers, and some liberal Caucacian social workers, who have been a part of conspiring to break up truly law abiding Black families for profit, as so clearly depicted by the Daily News published account which definitely carries more weight than anything that may come from the Los Angeles County Department of Social Services.

"The petty bourgeoisie are the first to sell out. When they obtain status their lives generally lose both content and significance. - Black Consciousness......" by Norland

...now that is one statement I will agree with, that surely fits many of Black America's social workers, Black elected officials, treasonous liberal Democrats, pseudo civil rights organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Cut-Throat People (the NAACP), that poverty pimping no good jack leg preacher, and/or fake community activist, whose concern for the disenfranchised, is about as slim as finding a slice of cheese on the moon's surface. More, likely and closer to reality, those who fit the description have the primary goal of lining their own pockets with wealth at the expense of the property rights, the human rights, the U.S citizenship rights of the dis-enfranchised, the un-represented, the under-represented, the sick, elderly, the disabled, honorably discharged U.S. Black veterans of foreign wars, the truly oppressed, the truly innocent, minority children, the sanctity of the Black family structure, etc.

Oh, Well, Garbage in, Garbage out, as it pertains to the veracity or any truth that eminates from any social worker, and/or L.A.'s Department of Children & Family Services.


Surely No Truly Innocent Individual Would Pay $100 dollars, let alone $20 million dollars, unless they don't believe in their own innocence, they are spineless, .....or they truly committed the crime of child molestation!

[This message was edited by Lofton on December 11, 2003 at 07:51 PM.]
Lofton posted,

That is not proof, that is garbage. The credibility of that typical social worker is very unreliable, and/or much, much, less than credible. The Credibility of Social Workers Does Not Account for Much Now Days, Especially as Applied to California. Such an endorsement, memo, etc., would mean the "Kiss of Death" to any claim supporting Michael's innocence!


***So Lofty,

You do understand the concept of their being a difference between proof and hearsay or "garbage" as you so fondly call it. With that in mind, can you grasp the difference between ALLEGED and PROVEN? Try to do so fella and also stop that warped practice of making what you WANT to be true stated as FACT even though it cannot be proven to be a FACT. Your views are bad enough, but when you get into that imaginary shit, reading what you post and trying to talk to you sensibly is a burden to bear.....not based on the complexity or substance of your posts, but trying to see what kinda f-king logic made you reach the conclusions you do. .....
We can hash MJ over until hell freezes over. I don't believe there are many African PARENTS who'd let their sons bleach themselves into "ghostdom", listen to all these accusations against them without stepping and asking "What the hell is wrong with you, have you lost your mind?" or "Son, you need some serious help; get it NOW"!! His family watched his destruction, now they're stepping up in his defense. It's TOO LATE NOW!!!! This chit started with his FATHER and his MOTHER. MONEY is the ROOT of ALL EVIL (and just for the record, so is WAR). This is a prime example in my opinion.

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The petty bourgeoisie are the first to sell out. When they obtain status their lives generally lose both content and significance. - Black Consciousness
I feel ya Norland but once MJ was 18, he was calling his own shots....so parents couldn't stop him from doing whatever he wanted to. this is not about MJ but about how high-profile blacks are treated in particular where an accusation becomes fact. The racist white media does it enough and now they are being aided by their subordinate house-pet negroes. I don't give a flying f-k about MJ or anyone else for that matter, but they are supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt until PROVEN guilty, not castigated by negroes who have adopted the white lynch-mob mentality where an accusation starts a feeding frenzy. that is my only point......they all have more green than me so I need to worry about my dammy more than any of them. It is just a matter of principle that I am speaking on......
This is what I am talking about:

Michael Jackson, 45, turned himself in Nov. 20 on suspicion of molesting a boy at his Neverland Ranch outside Los Olivos. He has denied the allegation and was released on $3 million bail. He has not been charged.


**Now this guy has not been charged, but you have negroes falling all over themselves to carry the torch to say so. They really need to look at themselves and see how they have been treated the same way and accepted it.
Kevin, Africans-in-America are blind as bats. Everything's been done to 'em in the worst way, but they still go shufflin' along thinking they're loved to the hilt. That's deaf, blind, dumb and bamboozled. Really, there are no words to describe any of this MADNESS.

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The petty bourgeoisie are the first to sell out. When they obtain status their lives generally lose both content and significance. - Black Consciousness
Yes Norland,

As much as I would like to disagree with you, I cannot do so. The progressive blacks in this forum alone have explained to house-negroes why their thinking is unrealistic, self-subjugating and pathological to the extent that they cannot even sensibly rebut the facts. I have basically given up on trying to convince them of anything, but will not hesitate to correct them on the dumb shit they come up with as the great white defenders they are. It must be very very sad not to see yourself or your own as adequate.....I only wish they would be as outspoken in the real world as they are in this forum...they would get crushed something brutally......
As much as I would like to disagree with you, I cannot do so. The progressive blacks in this forum alone have explained to house-negroes why their thinking is unrealistic, self-subjugating and pathological to the extent that they cannot even sensibly rebut the facts. I have basically given up on trying to convince them of anything, but will not hesitate to correct them on the dumb shit they come up with as the great white defenders they are. It must be very very sad not to see yourself or your own as adequate.....I only wish they would be as outspoken in the real world as they are in this forum...they would get crushed something brutally......" by Kevin41

....Again better than 90% of Michael Jackson's employees are Caucasian, be it now or in his prime.

Heck, the typical Black celebrity could care less about taking that risk to hire Black people, especially as it pertains to Black males, because just like Michael their earnings circulate to keep everyone else gainfully employed but Black people.

Should things go sour, to the point that they are taken to the cleaners, or face the prospect of losing their assets, to the very Caucasians they prefer to do business with, then and only then, does any concern arise, ..... meaning after deserting the Black community, now these individuals expect to be supported by the Black community.

Why should other Black people stick their necks across the chopping block for a Michael Jackson, who does everything in his power to surround himself with nothing but Caucasians.

Heck, as reality would have it, the typical Black celebrity with wealth makes it possible for everyone but Black people to earn a decent wage. Since this is where Michael Jackson, etc. loyalty lives, then that is where his greatest support should come to bear. Michael's loyalty is to the Caucasian community, and not the Black community.

....and the nay sayers, in a Professor Kevin41, have the gall to call other Black people "Uncle Toms", or "Caucasian Defenders", while that typical Black celebrity in a Michael Jackson or otherwise, make the Caucasian and/or every other community, but the Black community richer, .....while better than 40% of the Black male population remains unemployed.

The only time, these individuals show any concern for Black people, is when they return to the Black community penniless. When they were riding high, that individual in a Michael Jackson or otherwise couldn't run to that affluent Caucasian community fast enough.


Should prison be the answer, Michael Jackson will really be in for a huge awakening of what it really feels like to share the Black male experience, as it pertains to being roughed up by police officers, prison guards, trying your best to leave the prison system like you went in, and/or the wrath of the penal system in general.

....just like O.J. Simpson, Michael Jackson has his permanent live in house guests. I'm willing to bet not a one of them is a Black person. Better than that, I'm willing to narrow it down further, to say that his permanent live in house guests are Caucasian male children, while numerous Black children, and/or their parents, are themselves homeless.

Heck, O.J. Simpson chose to pick up a total stranger, in a Caucasian homeless free loading Brian "Kato" Kaelin, before reaching back to uplift a homeless hard working able bodied Black male!

In the end O.J. Simpson made fools out of the Black community. Upon gaining his freedom from a murder case, by way of a blatantly incompetent Black jury, O.j. Simpson has yet to look back at the Black community!


It is probably a good thing that Michael Jackson dislikes "dark meat", because if not, not a Black person reading this thread would have a clue as to when, where, how often, or how many Black children, would have been used for Michael Jackson's sexual pleasures. Such disgraceful activity would not make the news, unless a Black newspaper, a Black journalist, or some other credible Black person blew the whistle.

"The progressive blacks in this forum alone have explained to house-negroes why their thinking is unrealistic, self-subjugating and pathological to the extent that they cannot even sensibly rebut the facts." by Kevin41

Well now, damn any progressive Black who supports such nonsense, because that is not being progressive, because this is truly regressive.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on December 12, 2003 at 10:27 PM.]
I sincerely believe that there's not ONE AFRICAN MOTHER, in her right mind (whatever that is) that would allow her CHILD to SLEEP OVER WITH MICHAEL JACKSON or anyone else other than loving family members that can be thoroughly trusted. Sick as folks are these days, that should be a moot point. Money doesn't rule us all.

Kevin, there's no equality between Africans and Europeans. That's why we're here. WE make them RADIANT in their FALSE WHITE SUPREMECY. We're the SCAPEGOATS; always have been, always will be. They build us UP, knock us DOWN, beat us UP, kill US, send us off to WAR (we get killed some more), send us off to PRISON, disrespect US, call us NAMES, HATE US, as WE keep on rolling merrily ALONG, TRYING TO ASSIMILATE. There's no WORDS to DESCRIBE US. (That's because we've forgotten WHY we are here and HOW we GOT HERE. We think they're FRIENDS; they haven't forgotten we were/are their SLAVES.)

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The petty bourgeoisie are the first to sell out. When they obtain status their lives generally lose both content and significance. - Black Consciousness

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