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Well, there's an arrest warrant out for MJ for committing "lewd and lascivious" acts with someone under 14. What do you think? Did he do it? Is he a pedophile? Will he end up in prison or will he buy his freedom?

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Well, there's an arrest warrant out for MJ for committing "lewd and lascivious" acts with someone under 14. What do you think? Did he do it? Is he a pedophile? Will he end up in prison or will he buy his freedom?

What do you think?



I think it comfirms the old wive's tale I heard about molesting kids. I heard that doing it causes your skin to turn white, your nostrils to turn triangular, a super-deep cleft to form in your chin, your cheekbones to rise higher, and it makes your voice really high and soft. Wow, who knew???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

But seriously: I don't know if he's guilty, but he's probably done for regardless. Great career, great talent, up in flames behind an evil, sick predilection. He should've gotten the help he needed after the 1993 scandal ended. If he has committed these acts since then, I don't feel sorry for him.
I want to know where the parents of this (these) children were when the alleged assult took place.

I'm not about to say guilty until it's proven 'to me' beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, I don't want to hear what the media has to say on the issue, take it to court air it on national TV, and let the world decide for themselves.

Most of the above statements are mere reflection of media sound bites with dashes of optimism.

Mike is stupid for having all of those children on his property in the first place, my guess is there are hundreds of parents that would put their children in harm's way just to make some money. So if anything happened, especially given the previous lot of accusations, all parties would be to blame.

Would you let your child go to MJ's house alone, would you let your child be with MJ alone; I doubt it, even if you don't think he did anything to those children, you just would not take a chance with your child. So what was on the mind of any parent that brought their child to nonoland?

I think mike is sick because of the whole whitification of himself, but just because of the accusations alone I would not let he even hold my daughter's hand.


[wait a second, isn't this forum suppose to be about positive things?????]
Personally I believe he is innocent. He has the money and the influence so much so that if he was really this bad man and wanted to mess about with children he could have apartments and houses dotted around the world in third world countries and carry out this so called paedophilia without the arrests, negative and damaging publicity he is currently getting. Think about that.

Do you guys notice how hardly any successful black musicians and sportsmen make it to the end of their lives with their reputation intact. Why is that? Don't many whites in this position make a mistake or two. They do but white people protect their own and turn a blind eye many times to their indiscretions. Elvis had more problems than Jackson but many white people idolize him. I doubt if Michael would get that kind of adulation from African Americans if he died tomorrow.

Here in England a famous white footballer called George Best is a very sick man but the English establishment protects his reputation and is quick to jump to his defense if necessary. Maybe we can learn a trick or two from whites in sticking up and backing our own especially when we can clearly see they are being exploited or victimized.

Very few black people in the UK that I know of and have spoken to about the case think HE IS GUILTY of any crime. Many of us believe it is some evil people out for some publicity or to make a quick buck at his expense. Anyway it is up to the Police to make a successful case against him. Until then HE IS INNOCENT and please let us wait and see.

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I'm just tired of black men being in the news about sexual assaults or lewd acts. The fact remains that up until recently in the African-American community this (sexual assaults on young children) was something that was kept hushed for a long time. Unfortunately the way that these things are coming out are through the white media. And since we didn't want to handle it, someone else is taking care of it for us in a way that is distasteful. We should be thinking more about that than Michael Jackson who will most likely get off. I won't make the blanket statement that Michael Jackson is innocent, but we'll see what the DA has on him when this all goes to court.
I heard a report this morning that the "victim" is a cancer survivor that Mike brought to his compound on a "make a wish" kinda thing. Mike brought the "victim" and his whole family (mother and at least two other children), to live in his compound while Mike paid for the "victim's" cancer treatments. Mike alos provided for the family, giving them food, clothing shelter, etc. (Prior to Mike's invite, the family reportedly was living in a barn.)

Well, the report went on to say that after about 6 months, Mike told the family "okay, time to go." And, the mother got angry.

I guess, no good deed goes unpunished.

What troubles me about this whole thing is that the "victim" is reported to be "very cooperative." I'm no expert, but from everything I've heard, victims of sexual abuse, especially homosexual abuse, are rarely willing to speak openly about the abuse, let alone be "very cooperative."

Me thinks I smells a "somebody trying to get paid" rat. It probably doesn't help Mike that the last allegation resulted in a reportedly multi-million dollar settlement.

That said, if he touched that boy in an inappropriate manner, Mike needs to go to that other "Never Neverland" called prison.
Kweli4Real, wasn't that the kid that was on the Michael Jackson special a year ago?! The little hispanic boy and his brother and sister? If so, they sure didn't look like they were being sexually assaulted then. If this is the case, then Mike ought to sue them afterwards!

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
Henry, Michael Jackson has too many issues with third world hygiene issues (not to mention race) to mess with children from those countries. Remember the medical mask when he went to Africa?

But I think he probably didn't do it. Hopefully, if/when he beats the charges, he will STOP putting himself in positions where these accusations could happen. If you have the money to afford the best psychologists, you can do something about these issues he has with childhood & adulthood.
We have to worry about big racists that on the surface are calm but underneath are fast moving currents. Unlike the clan and other fascists that make a lot of noise, these bastards on the other hand don't make any noise but quietly take jobs like media men, Judges and Policemen to do their damage. All these do is throw out a lot of mud and hope that some would stick. They know that the worst thing you can do to anyone is not to kill them but damage their reputation forever, so even where there is no case they allege there is. The have pulled this trick on every black icon from Marcus Garvey right up to the very dirt they are always looking to dig up on present black iconic figures. The bastards may not have a case at all but they would make a publicity of calling for the arrest of Michael knowing that with the history of a similar accusation, a news item like this would destroy the guy for good and even kill him. Well I hope not and we as the black population should not allow it. We should hold up our iconic figures and we should not allow the bastards to win over come rain or shine.

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

I guess, no good deed goes unpunished.





Mike has learned that long ago, however, he is still of the beliefe the love, truth and honor will prevail.

Mike is just unaware of the fact that love, truth, and honor don't prevail in hell (America) so as long as thoses in power want certain people to get destroyed then that is their agenda.

Given the huge number of people that visit his compound each year, he's got to know that people are going to try to financial rape him, but he continues to open his heart, home, and pockets.

At the time of this post, the media actually cut into normal news to report that Mike was in Sheiff's custody, and only upon posting 3 million dollars bond will he be released.

That 3million is just another set up of sorts, he is as likely to flee with a 3 million dollar bond as he would with a 3 trillion dollar or 3 dollar bond.

For those that believe he has a sexual problem, in addition to his self hate problem (which is obvious to me), what is your proof? My guess is all you will point to is what you have heard from the unfair media.
henry38,

thanks for articulating the phenomenom of black people always getting their reputations destroyed...if mike wanted to moloest children, he could do it the way he wanted to within the guidelines of laws in some places....and James Chester is right.....he needs to fade that schit and keep himself out of that position.....like the lady said in an email to the news....if mike really molested children in the past....no amount of money should make a parent drop charges.....if they did and it was true....that is a way of saying you can molest my kid.....for a certain price.....i think poor white people with their accusations have learned to make an economy out of this type of thing.....not only the accuser, but the media and others with the extra jobs they create FOR WHITES ONLY during these kinda situations.....just look at OJ........
Kevin41,

I think that what you posted is about what probably happened. In that initial charge, why did the child protective agency out there not go after him? Why did they not charge the parents of that child with not fulfilling their duties as a parent after knowing that their child was molested and not report it to the proper authorities, or do anything about it except take money.

If you or I knew that a man molested our child and did nothing about it except take money, we would be charged with child abuse, and could be charged with prostitution. I believe those parents were either lying or they were knowingly prostituting their own child for money.
"But I think he probably didn't do it. Hopefully, if/when he beats the charges, he will STOP putting himself in positions where these accusations could happen."-Vox

Asking MJ to "Stop putting himself in positions where these accusations could happen," is like telling him to "Stop" being the hopelessly altruistic and charitable person that he is. The man loves children. He loves being in the company of children. I think in another lifetime he could have been a child care worker or a teacher, or most likely a pediatrician. And when all of this blows over, he will undoubtedly continue to interact with children, probably until someone does put a restraining order against him or legally bans him from interacting with children.

Supposedly, the family is charging him with "inappropriate touching." Well, anything from a pat on the shoulder to a pat on the leg can qualify as inappropriate touching. Like the last responder said, we have to wait and see.
Michael Jackson's Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Booking Number and Photo!

Similar allegations surfaced against Jackson a decade ago, but they never led to criminal charges and in 1994 the probe became inactive. Jackson had maintained his innocence but reportedly paid a multimillion-dollar civil settlement, and the child would not testify in any criminal proceeding. I find it hard to believe that any truly innocent individual would pay off a multi-million dollar civil settlement for alleged wrongdoing, rather than fight back to protect their good name, in a court of law. More than likely such an individual, truly committed the act as claimed, but chose to settle such a dispute without fanfare to quash the situation, rather than face criminal prosecution, and any subsequent civil suit for damages! This would be especially the case for any individual who has the capability to hire the best defense attorneys that money can buy, to which slim chance would exist that such an individual would just say "Oh Well" here is a few million dollars. It is absurd to think or believe that any truly innocent individual is going to accept financial responsibility for an act or set of actions, that they did not commit and/or have anything to do with!

"Why Any Parent Would Leave Their Child With a Known Child Molestor/Pedophile is Beyond Me!"

"Jackson Returns to Face Molestation Charge
By Mary MacVean
Times Staff Writer

2:41 PM PST, November 20, 2003

Michael Jackson, the self-described King of Pop, walked into the Santa Barbara County sheriff's office early this afternoon, his hands cuffed behind his back, to confront allegations of child molestation.

Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson said Jackson was taken into custody at 12:05 p.m. After a short drive from Santa Barbara Municipal Airport in Goleta, he and his lawyer, Mark Geragos, arrived at the station about 12:25 p.m.

Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Chris Pappas told reporters at about 2 p.m. that Jackson was booked and released after he posted bail, which was set at $3 million.

Pappas said the booking - at which Jackson also surrendered his passport - took less than an hour and that the process was "completed without incident."

Jackson will be arraigned on Jan. 9, Pappas added.

Earlier, the pop star's attorney told reporters outside the station that Jackson was "greatly outraged" and "considers this to be a big lie."

Geragos said Jackson, who was dressed in a dark suit, had already posted the bond and was "processed out." Geragos refused to answer any questions.

Hoards of reporters and photographers spent the morning at airports and offices of law enforcement authorities, engaging in "where's Michael Jackson" speculation, as they waited to see the occupants of two planes and various cars.

Geragos said Jackson will fight the allegations. And Jackson's brother, Jermaine, strongly defended his brother on CNN this afternoon in an interview in which he used obscenities to vent frustration with the justice system, and how Michael was portrayed in the media.

"The whole family supports Michael 100%, 1,000%," he said.

"At the end of the day, this is nothing but a modern-day lynching," he said.

Michael Jackson, who could go to prison if he is eventually convicted of allegations in the warrant, returned today from Las Vegas, where he had been making a music video.

Jackson left Las Vegas this morning, and his plane taxied into a hangar, where it was partially shielded and the press could not see who got out.

Today was the third consecutive day of intense media scrutiny of the pop star, whose recordings over four decades include "Thriller," one of the best-selling albums of all time.

Santa Barbara County Dist. Atty. Thomas W. Sneddon Jr. and Sheriff Jim Anderson held a news conference Wednesday, a raucous event at which they announced the arrest warrant but refused to provide more than a few details of the case. They said they would ask Jackson to hand over his passport.

A day earlier, investigators carried out search warrants at Jackson's Neverland Ranch - a 2,600-acre compound that includes amusement rides and a zoo - and at two other unspecified Southern California locations.

A lawyer for the Jackson family has said the case stems from a 12-year-old boy's charges of molestation during visits to Jackson's Santa Ynez Valley ranch. According to two sources, including a close friend of the boy's family, the investigation centers on the boy's allegations that Jackson served him wine before molesting him on several occasions last winter.

Stuart Backerman, a Jackson spokesman, denounced the allegations Wednesday as scurrilous and unfounded. "Michael would never harm a child in any way," he said in a statement.

"He is absolutely resolute that he is going to fight this," said Geragos, who also represents Scott Peterson, accused of killing his pregnant wife in Modesto.

Sneddon, who intends to be part of the prosecution team, said that unlike a similar Jackson investigation by his office a decade ago, law enforcement officials have a cooperative victim.

No charges were filed in that case, and the investigation was dropped after the boy decided not to testify. A civil suit was settled out of court.

The arrest warrant accuses Jackson of violating Section 288 (a) of the California Penal Code - which prohibits lewd or lascivious acts with a child under the age of 14. A count of child molestation is punishable by up to eight years in prison.

Jackson grew up in a family of performers, the youngest member of the Jackson Five. Although his record sales have waned in recent years, Jackson, the father of three, has remained a closely watched public figure, drawing attention for his brief marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, surgical reconstruction of his face and bizarre behavior, including dangling his 9-month-old son from a hotel balcony in Berlin.

In a documentary broadcast on ABC television in February, Jackson said he shared his bedroom overnight with a 12-year-old boy, but said it was innocent. Jackson said he slept on the floor while the boy slept in his bed.

"Why can't you share your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone," Jackson said in the film. "It's a beautiful thing. It's very right; it's very loving."

At Wednesday's news conference, Anderson and Sneddon refused to answer reporters' questions about whether the victim in the current criminal case was the boy shown in the documentary.

Jackson's supporters have suggested that the allegations were part of an effort to squeeze money from a singer whose enormous wealth and fame made him a target for false claims and extortion.

Times staff writers Marisa Lagos, Tracy Wilson, Steve Chawkins and Richard Winton contributed to this report."

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"You also use the term "known" pedophile" when referring to Michael. When was it proven that he was actually that way? Or are you just saying some stupid shit again without any basis for proving it? You know, like your illegal immigrant status you give to certain black elected officials? You are a trip for real homie.......once again, when had MJ been proven to molest kids?" by Kevin41

This is not news, or a new revelation, because adults from all walks of life would truly agree that Michael Jackson is in fact a pedophile! Many individuals have openly stated numerous times, "Why would any parent leave their child or children with any adult who has a history of molesting children?"

"Any parent who REALLY knew their kid was molested would either get their gun or have Mike's azz locked up no matter what was offered. So Lofton, let the truth come forth and quit wetting your panties at the unfortunate circumstances another black person is facing.....you can be one low-lifed sonofabiitch sometimes......you really can......" by Kevin41

I differ with this assessment. Should any individual of such wealth as a Michael Jackson, Michael Bolton, etc., violate the property rights or otherwise of another, it would be very foolish, ignorant, counter-productive, for the victim, victims, and/or their heirs to commit a criminal act to resolve their differences or the dispute!

By the Way, the Isley Brothers Should Get Angry, Mad, and Just Resolve This Dispute With Their Fists. Should this be the case Michael Bolton Would Walk Free, and the Isley's Claim for Copyright infringement would at that moment become worthless, etc. It is certain that not a one of the Isley Brothers would agree with a Kevin41, or otherwise, that this score can be settled by "Beating the Crap Out of Michael Bolton", or using a firearm to settle this dispute once and for all!

The commission of such a counter-productive criminal act would destroy any prospect of seeking redress for civil or criminal wrongdoing. Just ask Mike Tyson and it is certain that he would agree. A while back a Caucasian male rear ended Mike Tyson's wife's vehicle. Most every driver would surely agree, that should anyone rear end your vehicle, such a claim for damages would be a "Slam Dunk" in a win, for the owner, and/or passengers of the vehicle "Rear Ended". Instead of allowing the court process to resolve this "fender bender" for the damage done to his wife's vehicle, Mike Tyson decided to floor the individual with his fists. Instead of being the plaintiff in a civil lawsuit for damages, Mike Tyson at this moment became the defendant, to which Mike Tyson was sued for damages that resulted from criminal assault and battery, bodily injury lawsuit filed against him.

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 23, 2003 at 03:11 PM.]
You are one opportunist motherf-ker Lofton.......those people wanted to get paid..so spend your time equally talking about white parents who sell their children's souls for profit......anyone who allows a payment to be made to them in order to skip court (as in Mike's first allegation) is just prostituting their kids out for profit (if the allegations are true). Be sure and show equal disdain for the parents who allowed their kids to go to his ranch after the first accusations will you? Any parent who REALLY knew their kid was molested would either get their gun or have Mike's azz locked up no matter what was offered. So Lofton, let the truth come forth and quit wetting your panties at the unfortunate circumstances another black person is facing.....you can be one low-lifed sonofabiitch sometimes......you really can......
You also use the term "known" pedophile" when referring to Michael. When was it proven that he was actually that way? Or are you just saying some stupid shit again without any basis for proving it? You know, like your illegal immigrant status you give to certain black elected officials? You are a trip for real homie.......once again, when had MJ been proven to molest kids?
Lofton posted;

This is not news, or a new revelation, because adults from all walks of life would truly agree that Michael Jackson is in fact a pedophile! Many individuals have openly stated numerous times, "Why would any parent leave their child or children with any adult who has a history of molesting children?"

**So in other words, you are taking speculation and turning it into facts to satisfy that self-hating mindset of yours? Is that the case Lofton.....any black is whatever you choose to label them as? I didn't ask you what the f-k adults from all walks of life know. I asked you what factual proof do you have that Michael is actually a child molester? can you answer THAT question please?
I can't call it. Normally I'm the first person to say you're innocent until proven guilty. In this case, you have a man who paid out millions to make the whole thing go away. That money would have been better spent paying lawyers and having his day in court. To me, if you have nothing to hide you go to court and stand up for yourself. If for nothing else, it stymies the ambitions of future extortionists.

Peripheral issue: Funny how we blacks vehemently defend people who want nothing to do with us. First OJ, now MJ. Not saying either one was or is guilty, but why rally around celebrities who clearly want to distance themselves from other African Americans?
Well said Solomonic,

I can't call it. Normally I'm the first person to say you're innocent until proven guilty. In this case, you have a man who paid out millions to make the whole thing go away. That money would have been better spent paying lawyers and having his day in court. To me, if you have nothing to hide you go to court and stand up for yourself. If for nothing else, it stymies the ambitions of future extortionists. by Solomonic

"Peripheral issue: Funny how we blacks vehemently defend people who want nothing to do with us. First OJ, now MJ. Not saying either one was or is guilty, but why rally around celebrities who clearly want to distance themselves from other African Americans?" by Solomonic

Heck, and 99.999% of the time Michael Jackson shared his bedroom, toys, gratuity, time, money, benevolence, interest, etc., with Caucasian children, and/or their Caucasian family members. Just like OJ, Michael Jackson didn't identify with Black people until facing bankruptcy, criminal indictment, and/or civil lawsuit damages for breach of contract, etc. Just like OJ couldn't wait to shack up with his next Caucasian female companion, should this whole set of circumstances end tomorrow, Michael Jackson will continue to spend 99.999% of bedroom, toys, gratuity, time, money, benevolence, interest, etc., with Caucasians.

Heck, Michael wanted to be Caucasian, to the extreme that he has ruined his appearance, health, etc., while Caucasian medical doctors make that financial killing off of his desire to be something that he will never be. It is even doubtful the kids he now has are even his. Neither of them look like him, or have any features of Black people. All that ex Caucasian wife/ registered nurse wanted, is to live the life of easy street, namely through alimony payments, etc., financed by you guessed it, the head over heals for Caucasian anything dis-associate themselves from Black people, truly disoriented very confused world renowned soon to be financially insolvent Michael Jackson.
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"Although he released a new greatest hits package Wednesday, Jackson's career has been in decline for years, a victim of changing tastes and a series of lurid stories about his personal life. They included allegations in 1993 that he had molested a 13-year-old boy. Although no criminal charges were brought and Jackson insisted that he was innocent, he eventually settled a lawsuit brought by the alleged victim for a sum reported to be at least $15 million." This Statement Says it all Because it is Highly Unlikely That Any Sane Truly Innocent Individual is Going to Settle a Civil Lawsuit for Child Molestation and/or Otherwise, Out of Court for $15 Million. On the flip side it is highly likely that a truly sane child molestor and/or other serious criminal offender, would make such an arrangement, if nothing more than to keep from facing the music of that felony jail record or penal incarceration, that would result should the victim(s) choose to file charges against the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator in this instance being Michael Jackson. It has been reported by reputable sources that the out of court settlement was actually more like $20 Million, to which the plaintiff's attorney received one third of the actual court settlement!

Although no criminal charges were brought and Jackson insisted that he was innocent, he eventually settled a lawsuit brought by the alleged victim for a sum reported to be at least $15 million.


"Jackson Released on Bail After Arrest on Molestation Charges
By William Overend and Andrew Blankstein
Times Staff Writers

November 21, 2003

SANTA BARBARA "” Michael Jackson, the international pop sensation whose career has been eclipsed by his increasingly erratic behavior, surrendered to authorities Thursday and was booked on multiple counts of child molestation.

Arriving by private jet from Las Vegas, the reclusive singer was driven to the Santa Barbara County sheriff's office and escorted inside, his wrists handcuffed behind his back.

After being booked and surrendering his passport, he posted $3-million bail and was released, flashing a "V" sign before being driven away in a black SUV under police escort.

His attorney, Mark Geragos, said Jackson had denied the allegations that he had committed "lewd and lascivious" acts on a child younger than 14. He said Jackson had called the charges "a big lie."

"Michael is here," Geragos told a swarm of reporters outside the sheriff's office while Jackson was being processed. "He has come back specifically to combat these charges head-on. He is greatly outraged by these charges, and has authorized me to say the charges are categorically untrue. He looks forward to fighting this in court."

Authorities would say almost nothing about the case against Jackson, even declining to specify how many charges he faced.

The Sheriff's Department did release a copy of a booking photograph in which Jackson's sunken cheeks and surgically enhanced features appeared to be accentuated by makeup and lipstick. His thick, black, shoulder-length hair hung over and partly obscured his right eye.

Jackson, 45, is listed on the booking sheet as 5 feet 11 and 120 pounds.

A lawyer for the Jackson family has said the case stems from a 12-year-old boy's charges of molestation during visits to Jackson's 2,600-acre Neverland Ranch in the Santa Ynez Valley. The alleged victim has not been identified by authorities.

According to two sources, including a close friend of the boy's family, the boy alleges that Jackson served him wine and molested him several times last winter.

In addition to those sources, Los Angeles criminal defense attorney H. Russell Halpern said Thursday that he had had discussions with the boy's father, who lost custody after being accused of physically abusing two of his three children. The father pleaded no contest in 2002 to a single count of domestic violence.

Halpern said his client did not have any information about whether Jackson had committed the crimes that have been alleged. But he said the father had told him that Jackson had met the boy while the boy was being treated for cancer at Childrens Hospital Los Angeles.

Jackson was visiting children and "became particularly interested in my client's son," the lawyer said. As time passed, Halpern said, Jackson, the boy and his parents became friends.

"My client thinks he's a good guy, and he was very proud of their friendship," Halpern said.

He said the father believes, however, that the boy's mother exercised poor judgment in allowing the child to stay overnight at Jackson's home.

The mother could not be reached for comment.

According to one person familiar with Jackson and the alleged victim's family, the boy's mother and other siblings were with him when he stayed at Neverland Ranch.

A documentary about Jackson that aired in the United States and Great Britain in February showed the singer holding hands with the boy as the child discussed his sleepovers at Jackson's ranch.

In the documentary, Jackson said the boy slept in his bed while he slept on the floor, but he also defended sharing a bed with children. "Why can't you share your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone," he said.

After the documentary aired, Jackson called it "terrible and unfair," and said the filmmaker had betrayed his trust.

"Everyone who knows me will know the truth, which is that my children come first in my life and that I would never harm any child," he said at the time.

When Santa Barbara authorities executed a search warrant Tuesday at Jackson's ranch, he was in Las Vegas, making a music video.

He returned voluntarily on Thursday, two days after an arrest warrant also was issued, arriving at Santa Barbara Airport in a Gulfstream jet that taxied to a hangar under intense media scrutiny. The jet pulled partially into the hangar, allowing Jackson to emerge and enter a car without being seen. He was then driven to the county jail.

In a brief announcement to a crowd of more than 100 reporters and photographers, Sheriff Jim Anderson announced that Jackson had been taken into custody at the airport at 12:05 p.m. The booking procedure lasted about 45 minutes.

After leaving the sheriff's office, Jackson flew back to Las Vegas, where clusters of curious pedestrians approached his black SUV as it paused in heavy traffic, touching the fingers that Jackson offered through a partially opened window.

Throughout the day, as Santa Barbara residents watched the unfolding saga on television, a few dozen local spectators "” mostly high school and college students "” joined the media crowd at the compound housing the sheriff's office and jail.

Two UC Santa Barbara students held a cardboard sign reading, "Moonwalk 2 Jail," a reference to Jackson's signature dance step.

"It's really the biggest news event of the year, other than the war," said Jared Lyons, 18, a student from nearby San Marcos High School, who had come with two friends after watching the media scrum on television.

A child star alongside his siblings in the Jackson 5, Michael Jackson soared into the pop world's stratosphere in the 1980s.

Although he released a new greatest hits package Wednesday, Jackson's career has been in decline for years, a victim of changing tastes and a series of lurid stories about his personal life. They included allegations in 1993 that he had molested a 13-year-old boy. Although no criminal charges were brought and Jackson insisted that he was innocent, he eventually settled a lawsuit brought by the alleged victim for a sum reported to be at least $15 million.

Among those jumping to Jackson's defense Thursday was his brother Jermaine, who heatedly charged in a brief interview with CNN, punctuated by an on-air obscenity, that the charges amount to "nothing but a modern-day lynching."

"The whole family supports Michael 100%, 1,000%," he said, adding, "Michael is in very strong spirits because he is innocent. My brother is not eccentric. We had an incredible, wonderful childhood."

Geragos, in a telephone interview, said Jackson was eager to face his accuser. An arraignment was scheduled for Jan. 9 in Santa Barbara County Superior Court.

"I spent quite a bit of time with him, and I can tell you he is strong and resolute and determined to fight what he considers to be absolutely scurrilous allegations," said the lawyer, who also represents Scott Peterson of Modesto, who is accused of killing his pregnant wife.

Geragos said Jackson had been outraged by the accusations.

"This is a gentleman who has spent the greater part of his life donating millions of dollars and devoting countless hours to benefiting children and those who are disadvantaged," he said. "That's the most hurtful thing of all of this. Michael Jackson doesn't have urges or desires to ever hurt or damage a child. He finds that utterly repulsive."

"Their success and station in life is what is important to all of us especially our children who need to see success in the black community so as to emulate it and make them aspire to success themselves. It does not help if all they see of successful blacks are pimps by and drug dealers." by Henry38

More Like, "It does not help if all they see of successful blacks are pimps, drug dealers, child molestors, other Black people blaming Caucasians for crimes when Black people are in fact the true perpetrators, other Black people who defend misfits in a Michael Jackson or otherwise, etc. Heck, Michael Jackson has used the "race card" to deceive the gullible of Black America, into believing that he is innocent, when the writing is all over the wall that Michael Jackson, is in fact a pedophile."

Why else would any forty five year old man want to share his bedroom with children? Why else would any adult lure children into his bedroom? Why else would any adult have additional secret bedrooms and/or alarms, to which the act of child molestation can occur, right under the nose of friends or family members who may be visiting the "Jackson" residence. Come on folks, this is not considered normal from any vantage point, no matter how you look at it!


"**So in other words, you are taking speculation and turning it into facts to satisfy that self-hating mindset of yours? Is that the case Lofton.....any black is whatever you choose to label them as? I didn't ask you what the f-k adults from all walks of life know. I asked you what factual proof do you have that Michael is actually a child molester? can you answer THAT question please?" by Kevin41

A self hating individual:

A. is any individual who pays hundreds of thousands dollars to plastic surgeons to have his nose straightened, lips modified, skin deformed from being natural, etc.

B. is that Black man or woman who has his or her hair straightened so as to be more Caucasian like!

C. is that individual who allows medical doctors to inject silicone into their breasts or legs, for very short lived outward beauty, which is very harmful to the inner body.

D. is that very dark Black man or woman who dyes their hair blonde, or who chooses to wear blue contact lenses, so as to fool themselves into believing that they have Caucasian features.

E. as it relates to sexual perversion, self hatred, self destruction, being sleazy to their own people, bending over backwards to serve every other ethnic group but black people, the killing or maiming of Black people for recreation, etc.

F. are those who defend all of the above and more, who at the same time condemn other Black people truly worthy of praise.

I have done none of the above, and no amount of fame or wealth will cause me, to change what I came into the world as.

"yeah....i remember when James sung "say it loud, i'm black and i'm proud" that song did sooo much to help us transition from the mental shackles that whites tried to place on us when we were called negroes........" by Kevin41

Michael Jackson would be the very last to say, "say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud". Taking the reality of it beyond face value, Michael Jackson is a disgrace to himself and to Black people. It is very doubtful that James Brown, the "GodFather of Soul Music" would consider Michael Jackson as being a part of the essence of the meaning as applied to "The Blacker the Juice the Sweeter the Berry".

Afroman said it best, "I can't believe the metamorphosis he has made from childhood..check out the makeup, I really feel sorry for him..."

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 21, 2003 at 07:12 PM.]
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Peripheral issue: Funny how we blacks vehemently defend people who want nothing to do with us. First OJ, now MJ. Not saying either one was or is guilty, but why rally around celebrities who clearly want to distance themselves from other African Americans?
It is not a question of protecting Jackson or OJ. It is more to do with looking out for our own thereby protecting ourselves. Can you understand that? Looking out for your own is a good habit to cultivate because it ends up creating a strong race. Doesn't every race lookout for their own. Do you notice how when there is a crisis the US or Europe sends out planes and helicopters to pick up their citizens from the crises area? Have you ever heard them say, "oh those people abandoned their own and went to live with people in that area so we should leave them to stew or die?" No they don't they go out to save their own. By doing this they save KEY BRAINS that are essential to their development as a people.

We have to cultivate a higher form of thinking which goes with not worrying about the moment but have a lot to do with long term planning for the future. We have to become more sophisticated and clever as we educate our children for tomorrow. OJ and Jackson may prefer white, that is their preference and there is nothing wrong with that. They are still black men and GIFTED and whatever their preference is not our business. Their success and station in life is what is important to all of us especially our children who need to see success in the black community so as to emulate it and make them aspire to success themselves. It does not help if all they see of successful blacks are pimps and drug dealers. They need to see black men and women with talent and brains on display on a grand scale. I remember as a young boy growing up how much we idolized James Brown the singer and how deflated we felt when the establishment set out to destroy him.

Now the racists know this and in order to damage our children and take out any desire in them to aspire for tomorrow what they do is destroy black iconic figures that our children see as the inspiration to do well. Some of us see through this evil that is why we are loath to sit back and allow these bastards to pick and destroy these success stories in the black community one by one. We should not let our enemies destroy our success stories for the sake of our children.

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henry38,

One would think that you would not have to even explain that to some of these idiots in here, but they are so self-loathing they do not understand....some of the same people in here who rail on MJ's dealings with whites seek out poor uneducated racist whites in talk forums themselves to castigate their own.....while living in conditions that are a direct result of the conservative pro-white policies they support. And the way some of these negroes jump on the bandwagon everytime a high-profile black is ACCUSED of something reminds me of that white lynch mob mentality where they would go into a frenzy and hang a black man based on what some inbred trash falsely accused him of.


yeah....i remember when James sung "say it loud, i'm black and i'm proud" that song did sooo much to help us transition from the mental shackles that whites tried to place on us when we were called negroes........
That "innocent until proven guilty" statement applies to the European. When Michael goes to court, he'll have to prove he's innocent. He wiped the war and Bush from the television yesterday. He's already "guilty" in the media and with that DA. He's "Guilty until proven Innocent". He now knows for real what it means to be An African-in-America MALE. Color be damned.

The past is not dead. In fact, it's not even past. - William Faulkner, Novelist; Mississippi
Hello Isistah, Afroman, and/or all others of similar expression!

"That's not makeup, Afroman. He had his eyeliner permanently tatooed on back in the 80's. As for his facial color... well (sigh)." by Isistah

This pervert has had numerous surgeries performed by plastic surgeons, etc., to make himself think that he could be Caucasian, while Caucasian surgeons make a financial killing off of his inability to face the reality, that he will never be Caucasian.

....and even worse, truly innocent Black men and women face prison time, rot in prison, many have been beaten up to the point they couldn't be recognized by their own family, some have had dogs sicked on them, dogs commanded to start "chewing" by the LAPD, and/or other policing authorities, to which these truly innocent Black men and women can't find any support from the Black community.

In a crowd of one million Black people you could hear a pin drop because of the silence of those from within the Black community who place more value in freeing the truly criminal, than in standing up in the name and honor of the truly innocent. It is truly disgraceful that numerous Black people defend a punkish little boy chasing tap that "ass" pedophile in a Michael Jackson, while sticking their noses up, turning their backs on, and/or helping to send innocent Black men and women to the gallows, while bending over backwards to free a pervert, a sex offender, a truly disgraceful piece of trash in truly deserving prison time, this time, prison bound Michael Jackson.

Although it is a fact of life that many truly innocent Black men and/or women face unearned and/or unwarranted criminal prosecution, penal incarceration, court fines, etc., Michael Jackson is about as close to being among the truly innocent, as finding an elephant mating with a dolphin.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 22, 2003 at 05:52 AM.]
LOFTON,

I am sure others have asked you this before but honestly I have not come across what your response is to the question, it's obvious you hate black people, why do you hate us so much? Can you help me out with an honest response pleaseConfused Confused Confused

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Henry, I don't think Lofton "hates" blacks. He's just in a perpetual state of disgust. People in this stage are usually described as self-righteous fault-finders. Some get a great sense of satisfaction from finding a problem in someone else's behavior, then telling them about it. I'm slowly recovering from this character flaw. I can be a mercilous and terribly harsh critic. What's getting me through is the realization that people, like you, are going to do whatever that is best for them. Period. And no amount of disgust and anger is going to change this. And there is a huge difference between making a positive influence and impact on people's lives and creating a situation where people dread your presence. You must be very careful with your approach to a debate, lest you want to come off as tactless and anti-social. The goal is to get people to pay attention to and respect your opinion, not resent it and eventually ignore and avoid you altogether.

[This message was edited by Rowe on November 22, 2003 at 03:56 PM.]
Originally posted by Kevin41:

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Any parent who REALLY knew their kid was molested would either get their gun or have Mike's azz locked up no matter what was offered.


I think that's basically true for any Black parent .... or for most of the Hispanic parents that I know .... But as for just any parent ... well ... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
I am going to give MJ the benefit of the doubt and not act like whites have trained some of us to be....in a constant state of disdain for black people. I think Lofton actually hates blacks......it took him many many posts to answer the question of what do black people do exceptionally well....and then it was some BS about W's prize blacks and a few of the warped in here. But hey, that is his self-image affliction not mine. MJ as donated money to many causes.....such as black colleges and other black-oriented efforts. I do not have a problem with Mike...i'll let the courts run their course and give him the benefit of the doubt, like it is suposed to go. Once he started speaking out against racism and the way the music industry tried to f-k him, he became another bastard child to white america......like on Fox, they mentioned him, Kobe and OJ all in one breath......
"Any parent who REALLY knew their kid was molested would either get their gun or have Mike's azz locked up no matter what was offered." from the thoughts of a Black university professor

......Should any Black man or woman follow this advice, or for that matter any individual, shame on them, because should they own anything they will be sued for their worth, and/or face criminal prosecution for assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, wrongful death, etc. Oh Well, keep increasing the percentage of Black people in penal institutions! Black people who choose to earn that prison sentence and/or felony jacket, keep everyone else gainfully employed, the exception being Black people!

"Henry, I don't think Lofton "hates" blacks. He's just in a perpetual state of disgust. People in this stage are usually described as self-righteous fault-finders. Some get a great sense of satisfaction from finding a problem in someone else's behavior, then telling them about it." by Rowe

To say or even suggest that I hate Black people, would mean that I hate myself. It is truly disgusting for me to personally witness or be aware of, so many Black people receiving the short end of the deal, meaning being the loser, many times because of those who fit the description, own inability to be ethical, law abiding, trustworthy, competent, remain steadfast if they are truly innocent, etc. Again, unless the individual is spineless, no truly innocent individual, accused of a penal and/or civil offense, is going to willingly give up one thousand dollars of his or her assets, let alone 20 million dollars of his or her assets, in lieu of due process through an actual trial, to prove that the assets are owed by a valid court judgment! Should your attorney or a battery of attorneys advise you to give up one thousand dollars, to twenty million dollars, when a mountain of evidence exists to convince a jury and/or a judge that you are in fact innocent, then oh well, Fire the Jerk or set of Jerks, because you don't need the services of any attorney to misrepresent your best interests! Heck, no one chooses to be a loser. The decisions you make determine whether you win or lose. I will say that I choose to distance myself from being any part of the greed, sleaze, blatant ignorance, and/or incompetence that truly exists within communities across Black America, because should I lose, I would feel better about my failure to succeed, should any loss occur, if I made every effort to be the best that I can be, as opposed to being the very opposite.

Sleaze, greed, incompetence,and/or treason is very costly and destructive. My sisters and brothers spent years being moved between Black families out of their greed to make money at the expense of another's family members, to which this treasonous activity is very real in the Black community. Mind you, not a one of these individuals had so much as the first legal document to justify holding my sisters, and/or brothers for all those years. But here, again, it must be Caucasian America's fault, even though the greed, sleaze, disrespect, treason, etc., that exists with the Black community kept this activity going.

The games of sleaze that Black America's own elected leadership play on Black people is no fairy tale. The tendency for the typical Black Electorate, who choose to keep misfits in elected office, again is nothing to "brag or boast about", nor is this a fairy tale. The political process within the Black community amounts to a popularity contest between carpetbaggers, individuals who use false pretenses to hold or seek elected office, illegal immigrants, treasonous individuals, criminals in business attire, and/or other misfits, who win overwhelming over those who are truly honorable, ethical, real. The so-called university educated class within the Black community have shown themselves to be educated fools, and/or co-conspirators in the destruction of the Black community, because more times than not, the so called university educated class support this activity.

No need to perform any psychological study, Michael Lofton being the individual under study, because there are many others who think like me, and the numbers are growing. Any constructive study that takes place should be taken to study the failure of the Black middle class to be competent, ethical, honorable, real, trustworthy, etc., and the effect that this has on the future of Black people both within the U.S., and/or around the world, so that working solutions are applied to curtail this very self destructive activity.

It is certain that this message will be taken with a grain of salt, by the usual few on this board, but the cold reality will prove that the Black community is the deadliest, most perverted, most poverty stricken, most devoid of competent elected leadership, well on its way to extinction ethnic community within the U.S.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 23, 2003 at 03:13 PM.]

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