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Mexicans Battle Blacks for jobs in the ATL.

FabulousFabulousA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by ac9311:
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/homepagenew



Why are white supremacist hate groups being linked to as sources in a forum advertised as Intelligent. Black. Community.?

Eek


The same reason your white a** is always here & always sticking your nose in black folk business.

btw, I'm sending a link to this site (to the appropriate people) in order to help you out with your 'failure to appear'. Wink
FabulousFabulousA1
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But that said, we are fighting the wrong fight ... we should be fighting to create an environment where there is no longer a need to immigrate to the US for purely economic reasons.


Are you even reading the posts???

BECAUSE. . .

we are NOT referring to those who 'immigrate' into the U.S., we are discussing those who SNEAK across the border (illegally) aka ILLEGAL ALIENS.

There's a difference.
FabulousFabulousA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Fabulous:

btw, I'm sending a link to this site (to the appropriate people) in order to help you out with your 'failure to appear'. Wink


Your post has been reported for incivility and threats of real world harrassment.

Stop stalking me.


you put it out there IN PUBLIC that you have a 20 year old warrant for your arrest, I'm being the good citizen that I am by reporting you to the proper authorities. . .that's no real world harassment, I feel it's my duty to report you.

Just as I would a child molester or any other such deviant,

as for stalking you, *I* was posting to this thread FIRST, long before YOU came on the scene, so who is stalking who?

Stop lying.
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FabulousFabulousA1
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case in point:

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Ok, OK...I can't take it any longer!

I confess!...I confess!

I have a 20 year old outstanding FTA (failure to appear) in Washington DC. It just slipped my mind...totally spaced it off at the time...



Guess I won't be going to the inaugeration...one illegal left turn and my ass is grass...



I'll see youse guys on TV...watching from a safe distance in Iowa...wave to the camera!


The minute you foolishly posted this information to the board, it became PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

Therefore, don't try to accuse me of harassing you in the real world because nobody forced you to post this information.

word to the wise, don't be so sure those you consider 'dumb & stupid' are really what they appear to be (to you).

That is your bad, ricardomath, not mine.
FabulousFabulousA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Fabulous:

btw, I'm sending a link to this site (to the appropriate people) in order to help you out with your 'failure to appear'. Wink


Your post has been reported for incivility and threats of real world harrassment.

Stop stalking me.


Let me get this straight, YOU (a white man) tell a black woman FUCK YOU! (in all caps & using the correct spelling) because you disagreed with her, yet you report me for incivility because I have a problem with ppl like you who break the law?

A black man couldn't get away with driving for 20 years with a 'failure to appear' under his belt.

YOU come on a thread that I'm ALREADY POSTING TO, but you say that I'm stalking YOU?

Get the fock outta here. . .

There's something seriously wrong with the picture you paint, WB. nono
CS Cocoa StarrA2
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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I don't feel sorry for them because they (imo) are destroying the schools & hospitals in the black community by 1) crippling schools that were already in need of resources and 2) closing down hospitals that could no longer bear the financial burden of the illegal alien's medical care.


Fabulous, I don't know if that's your quote or not, but it fits your sentiment ... so ...

This has been refuted and deconstructed time and time again. In fact, the onl;y place where you can find this argument are on white supremacist/anti-non-white immigration sites. So please stop spreading bad info.


Are you sure about that??? Have you ever considered the people who live in the communities and what they are seeing going on there?? Also who is refuting these points, the pro-immigration groups who have framed immigration in a way to make it seem as if you are against illegal immigration you are against immigration altogether?? Specifically illegal immigration of Mexicans and Latin Americans??
N nayoA1
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Originally posted by Cocoa Starr:
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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I don't feel sorry for them because they (imo) are destroying the schools & hospitals in the black community by 1) crippling schools that were already in need of resources and 2) closing down hospitals that could no longer bear the financial burden of the illegal alien's medical care.


Fabulous, I don't know if that's your quote or not, but it fits your sentiment ... so ...

This has been refuted and deconstructed time and time again. In fact, the onl;y place where you can find this argument are on white supremacist/anti-non-white immigration sites. So please stop spreading bad info.


Are you sure about that??? Have you ever considered the people who live in the communities and what they are seeing going on there?? Also who is refuting these points, the pro-immigration groups who have framed immigration in a way to make it seem as if you are against illegal immigration you are against immigration altogether?? Specifically illegal immigration of Mexicans and Latin Americans??



I grew up in one of these communities, and saw/see this on the daily. I have acquaintances in Los Angeles, and it. is. horrifying. And sad, because it is going to[being allowed] to run its course. Frown

I do'nt know if I stated this before, but I had an uncle, now deceased, who used to, in my opionion, make these 'Archie Bunker' type comments about the border, and 'illegal immigration'. I/we used to laugh at, and ridicule him; this was when I was in my 'we are the world phase', when I was 10 thru 20- something. Then, as 'things' began to change, I sat up and took notice. yikes! I owe my uncle an apology.
MomentumMomentumA1
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Originally posted by nayo:
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Originally posted by Cocoa Starr:
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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I don't feel sorry for them because they (imo) are destroying the schools & hospitals in the black community by 1) crippling schools that were already in need of resources and 2) closing down hospitals that could no longer bear the financial burden of the illegal alien's medical care.


Fabulous, I don't know if that's your quote or not, but it fits your sentiment ... so ...

This has been refuted and deconstructed time and time again. In fact, the onl;y place where you can find this argument are on white supremacist/anti-non-white immigration sites. So please stop spreading bad info.


Are you sure about that??? Have you ever considered the people who live in the communities and what they are seeing going on there?? Also who is refuting these points, the pro-immigration groups who have framed immigration in a way to make it seem as if you are against illegal immigration you are against immigration altogether?? Specifically illegal immigration of Mexicans and Latin Americans??



I grew up in one of these communities, and saw/see this on the daily. I have acquaintances in Los Angeles, and it. is. horrifying. And sad, because it is going to[being allowed] to run its course. Frown

I do'nt know if I stated this before, but I had an uncle, now deceased, who used to, in my opionion, make these 'Archie Bunker' type comments about the border, and 'illegal immigration'. I/we used to laugh at, and ridicule him; this was when I was in my 'we are the world phase', when I was 10 thru 20- something. Then, as 'things' began to change, I sat up and took notice. yikes! I owe my uncle an apology.


Tell the truth.

Nayo, could you explain more please because I have tried to get through to some of these black folks who just can't get it for some reason. It puzzles to me because they appear to be intelligent.

I am trying to be patience but this ignorance is very irritating because they claim to be in black folks corner but some of these comments are offensive to say the least.

I live in a Spanish speaking household although we are African American, we hear the real deal in their own words, and we see the real deal on radio and on TV and from honest Spanish speaking friends from Colombia and Mexico. My DVR records 3 Spanish night time soaps because of the interest in Spanish culture in my home. My African American wife lived in Mexico for several years, my daughter will do a semester in Chile or Colombia for University, I worked in some parts of S. America, I know this issue very well but for some reason some blacks think it's OK to fight another front of racism from uneducated and simple thinking immigrants who live in a state of survival who could give a damn about fairness and black people.

I think this is another case of those who put ideology ahead of black people, there can be no other explanation.
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FabulousFabulousA1
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John Tanton?


Here's what I found regarding the man, however, my feelings are SO WHAT? Nobody said they were supporting him & his views. Roll Eyes

Anyway. . .

John Tanton



Social Contract Press: Publisher
Pro English: Founder
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR): Co-founder
NumbersUSA: Founder
Right Web News

last updated: September 29, 2004

Highlights & Quotes

John Tanton is widely recognized as the leading figure in the anti-immigration and "official English" movements in the United States.

Initially, Tanton's public policy advocacy work was driven by his commitment to zero population growth and environmental conservation.

By the late 1970s, however, this concern about the environment and population growth evolved into a crusade against immigration flows into the United States, particularly from Latin American and Caribbean nations.

At the time that the New Right, Christian Right, and neoconservative political tendencies were mobilizing new constituencies against center-left politics in the United States, Tanton played a central role in mobilizing backlash sentiment against immigrants.

Tapping his base in environmental and population control organizations such as the Sierra Club, National Audubon Society, and Zero Population Growth, Tanton in 1979 cofounded what has become the most influential anti-immigrant policy institute in the nation: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

In 1983, he also cofounded the most influential "official English" or English-only organization, U.S. English.

Today, Tanton stands in the center of a web of anti-immigrant and official English groups. As the founder and publisher of Social Contract Press, Tanton has published books that have helped shaped a nationalist ideology focused on the threat of immigrants to the white, English-speaking population.

Social Contract books also stoke fears about immigrants taking over the United States, with research that highlights the rapid rise of Spanish-speaking residents and related socioeconomic problems, while ignoring research that points to the positive contributions of immigrants.

In addition to FAIR, where he still is a board member, Tanton has been a central player in an array of anti-immigrant, nationalist groups and institutes, including Pro English, U.S. Inc., Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), U.S. English, and Numbers USA.

Funding for these and other organizations in which Tanton is a key figure, often flows through the organization, U.S. Inc. (7) (8)

According to Tolerance.org, a project of the Southern Poverty Law Center: "The organized anti-immigration 'movement' is almost entirely the handiwork of one man, Michigan activist John. H. Tanton."

In June 2002, it listed thirteen groups that formed part of the "loose-knit Tanton network." The following groups were founded and funded (through U.S. Inc.) by Tanton: Center for Immigration Studies, Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA, Pro English, Social Contract Press, U.S. English, and U.S. Inc. Others, such as American Immigration Control Foundation, American Patrol/Voices of Citizens Together, Californians for Population Stabilization, ProjectUSA, are part of the Tanton network because their funding has been channeled through U.S. Inc. Another organization cited by Tolerance.Org, as part of the network is Population-Environment Balance, because Tanton had joined its board. (1)

Replying to a critique by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Tanton wrote: "Having suffered the slings, arrows, barbs, insults, cheap shots, and body blows that have come as a result of taking a position in opposition to mass immigration, I would certainly not have reservations about claiming credit for being the guy secretly manipulating U.S. immigration policy."

He concludes on an ironic note, saying that if he were the powerful puppeteer of the immigration restrictionist movement then why have immigration levels to the United States been steadily rising since he started his fight for tighter controls on immigration flows. (11)

According to Tanton, he is not against immigration but is an opponent of mass or massive immigration because it is not in his self-interest or that of other U.S. citizens. "Most Americans," writes Tanton, "oppose mass immigration because mass immigration is not in their interests.

They are guilty of looking out for themselves and their perceived interests-exactly as the immigrants and their supporters do."

Elaborating on the self-interest argument, Tanton explains. "Americans do not see the loss of their jobs or wages to immigrants to be in their interests.

They do not see the crowding of their children's schools with large numbers of kids who have language and other difficulties to be in their interests.

They do not see rapid cultural and linguistic transformations of their neighborhoods to be in their interests." (11)

Tanton is a retired ophthalmologist from Petoskey, Michigan. While in medical school in the late 1950s, Tanton started studying the population issue, which, mixed with his concerns for the environment, prompted him to become involved with the Sierra Club.

A major cause of environmental distress, in his opinion, was increased population. In 1970, Tanton attended the Earth Day meeting of the Congress on Optimum Population and the Environment (COPE).

At this meeting, he began associating with leading figures in population control advocacy, including authors Bill Paddock, Paul Ehrlich, and Garrett Hardin. (2)

Tanton became the chairman of Sierra Club's Population Committee in 1971. Two years later, he was on the staff of Zero Population Growth (ZPG). In 1975, he became president of ZPG, a position he held until 1978.

The surge in the zero population growth movement and concern about population increase in the United States steadily declined in the late 1970s as it became accepted that population growth rates had fallen sharply since the baby boom years following World War Two.

Tanton gradually changed his focus from population control and the environment to immigration issues. Along with other leading ZPG members who regarded immigration control as the main solution to population control in the United States, Tanton left ZPG in 1978 and in 1979 created FAIR.

According to two observers of this split, "Their idea was that FAIR would take no stand on abortion and other controversial family planning issues in order to attract a wider constituency which would work for immigration reform not only for environmental reasons, but for economic relief for the working poor and taxpayers, for social cohesion, and for national security."

In contrast, ZPG evolved to focus more on gender-related education, women's issues, and family planning than on population restriction policies as a solution to environmental problems. (9)

Along with a few other FAIR board members, in the early 1980s Tanton founded a nationalist organization called WITAN-short for the Old English term "witenagemot," meaning "council of wise men." In 1986, Tanton signed a memo that went to WITAN members that highlighted the supremacist bent of Tanton and FAIR.

The memo charged that Latin American immigrants brought a culture of political corruption with them to the United States and that they were unlikely to involve themselves in civil life.

He raised the alarm that they could become the majority group in U.S. society. What's more, he asked: "Can homo contraceptivus compete with homo progenitiva?" Answering his own rhetorical question, Tanton wrote that "perhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down!"

According to Tanton, "In California 2030, the non-Hispanic Whites and Asians will own the property, have the good jobs and education, speak one language and be mostly Protestant and 'other.'

The Blacks and Hispanics will have the poor jobs, will lack education, own little property, speak another language and will be mainly Catholic."

Furthermore, Tanton raised concerns about the "educability" of Hispanics. In 1988 the media published the Tanton memo, causing a number of former supporters of U.S. English to cut ties with Tanton, including Walter Cronkite.

Other fallout from the publication of the WITAN memo included the simultaneous resignations of Linda Chavez, the executive director of U.S. English, and board members John Tanton and Gerda Bitrales.

Chavez, who pleaded ignorance about reactionary ideological and funding sources for U.S. English, later founded the Center for Equal Opportunity, which opposes affirmative action programs in universities and bilingual education programs. Tanton and Bitrales later founded ProEnglish, another official English organization.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1360.html
R ricardomathA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
Ever hear the name John Tanton?

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Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Report

The Puppeteer


The organized anti-immigration 'movement,' increasingly in bed with racist hate groups, is dominated by one man, John Tanton.

Before he even said a word, U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) got a standing ovation from the 27 anti-immigration activists who gathered at the Cannon House Office Building in Washington, D.C., on the morning of Feb. 13 to kick off a two-day lobbying effort on Capitol Hill.

Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, proceeded to regale his audience with ominous warnings of a global plot to destroy the United States.

Many countries are pushing immigration in order to erode American sovereignty, Tancredo warned: "China is trying to export people. It's a policy for them, a way of extending their hegemony. It's a government-sponsored thing."

After Tancredo's 10-minute pep talk, Brian Bilbray, a former Republican congressman from San Diego, Calif., weighed in with horror stories about an impending social catastrophe due to immigration.

"We are creating a slave class that criminal elements breed in," said Bilbray, who complained bitterly "” and improbably "” that he lost his 2000 re-election bid because "illegal aliens" had voted against him.

But all was not doom and gloom, according to Bilbray.

Praising the post-9/11 sweeps of Arab communities by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) that resulted in the indefinite detention of more than a thousand people, Bilbray called for the INS to carry out an enlarged dragnet. "We could have a terrorist coming in on a Latin name," he said.

The meeting with Tancredo and Bilbray "” and the entire lobbying operation in mid-February "” was masterminded by NumbersUSA, an anti-immigration group that had recently opened a "government relations office" in a three-story, red-brick Victorian near the Capitol.

NumbersUSA hosted an afternoon open house at its plush new digs, where the lobbyists relaxed, nibbled on catered food, and conversed with the leaders and other officials of key anti-immigration organizations.

Patrick McHugh of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which purports to be a squeaky clean think tank that rejects racism, was there pressing the flesh along with Barbara Coe, head of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, who repeatedly referred to Mexicans "” as she has for years "” as "savages."

The Citizens Informer, a white supremacist tabloid put out by the Council of Conservative Citizens hate group, was available.

NumbersUSA executive director Roy Beck, a long-time friend of Coe's, adopted a more moderate tone when he addressed his guests and told them what they should be doing to end the current immigration regime.

It would be better, Beck counseled, if their attempts to lobby legislators that week did not appear to be orchestrated by NumbersUSA. For their campaign to be effective, he said, it "needs to look like a grassroots effort."

Grassroots "” or Astroturf?

To be sure, this was no grassroots effort. Nor is NumbersUSA, in any sense of the word, a grassroots organization.

Despite attempts to appear otherwise, it is a wholly owned subsidiary of U.S. Inc., a sprawling, nonprofit funding conduit that has spawned three anti-immigration groups and underwrites several others, many of which were represented at the NumbersUSA conclave.

What's more, this interlocking network of supposedly independent organizations is almost entirely the handiwork of one man, a Michigan ophthalmologist named John H. Tanton.

A four-month investigation by the Intelligence Report, conducted in the aftermath of the September terrorist attacks, found that the appearance of an array of groups with large membership bases is nothing more than a mirage.

In fact, the vast majority of American anti-immigration groups "” more than a dozen in all "” were either formed, led, or in other ways made possible through Tanton's efforts.

The principal funding arm of the movement, U.S. Inc., is a Tanton creation, and millions of dollars in financing comes from just a few of his allies, far-right foundations like those controlled by the family of Richard Mellon Scaife.

Moreover, tax returns suggest that claims of huge numbers of members "” in the case of one group, more than 250,000 "” are geometric exaggerations put forward to create a false picture of a "movement" that politicians should pay attention to.

Finally, even as activists court increasing numbers of national politicians in the wake of Sept. 11, the Report's investigation reveals that they are moving in large numbers into the arms of hate groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens "” a 15,000-member organization whose website recently described blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity."

In fact, many anti-immigration groups have been growing harder- and harder-line since 1998, when they first began working together with open white supremacists. Today, many of their leading officials have joined racist organizations.

There's a word in Washington for outfits like these anti-immigration organizations "” "astroturf," meaning that they lack any genuine grassroots base.

That such groups, with their increasingly direct links to racist organizations, should have real power in the nation's capital may seem hard to believe.

But Americans have grown increasingly xenophobic in the wake of the September terrorist attacks, and the rapid growth of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus that Tancredo heads reflects that "” from just 10 legislators prior to the attacks to 59 by May.

What kind of influence do extremists have in this congressional caucus?

Although that is hard to measure, the caucus website now carries a prominent link to an outfit called American Patrol "” a racist hate group run by Californian Glenn Spencer.

With a tip of the hat to Tancredo and the other legislators who have helped to provide him legitimacy, Spencer recently deleted from his website the image of a cartoon figure urinating on a Latino Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient.

From Environment to Race

It is not often that a single individual is largely responsible for creating an entire political movement. But John Tanton can claim without exaggeration that he is the founding father of America's modern anti-immigration movement.

In addition to directly controlling four prominent immigration restriction groups, Tanton has been critical in establishing or helping fund several other anti-immigration groups.

He serves on the board of the group with the largest membership, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which he founded 23 years ago.

It was an odd turn of events for an erstwhile liberal activist who loved beekeeping and the rural life.

Raising a family and practicing medicine in Petoskey, Mich., Tanton started out as a passionate environmentalist. In the 1960s and early 1970s, he was a leader in the National Audubon Society, the Sierra Club and other mainstream environmental groups.

But Tanton soon became fixated on population control, seeing environmental degradation as the inevitable result of overpopulation.

When the indigenous birth rate fell below replacement level in the United States, his preoccupation turned to immigration. And this soon led him to race.

Tanton had something akin to a conversion when he came across The Camp of the Saints, a lurid, racist novel written by Frenchman Jean Raspail that depicts an invasion of the white, Western world by a fleet of starving, dark-skinned refugees.

Tanton helped get the novel published in English and soon was promoting what he considered the book's prophetic argument.

"Their [Third World] 'huddled masses' cast longing eyes on the apparent riches of the industrial west," Tanton wrote in 1975. "The developed countries lie directly in the path of a great storm."

And so he began to develop a counter-force. After 1979, when he co-founded FAIR, Tanton launched "a whole array of organizations that serve the overall ideological and political battle plan to halt immigration "” even if those groups have somewhat differing politics," explained Rick Swartz, the pro-immigration activist who founded the National Immigration Forum in 1982.

"Tanton is the puppeteer behind this entire movement," Swartz said. "He is the organizer of a significant amount of its financing, and is both the major recruiter of key personnel and the intellectual leader of the whole network of groups."

Tanton declined to be interviewed for this story.

The Strategy Emerges

Tanton's strategy was to fight his war on several fronts. FAIR relied heavily on arguments about diminishing resources and jobs.
In 1982, Tanton created U.S. Inc. to raise and channel funds to his anti-immigration network. The following year, he created his second major vehicle, U.S. English, which made a cultural argument "” that the English language was in mortal danger of being made irrelevant.

And later, in 1985, FAIR would spin off yet another major Tanton organization "” the Center for Immigration Studies, which presented itself as an impartial think tank and later even sought to distance itself from the organization that had birthed it.

Today, the Center regularly dispatches experts to testify on Capitol Hill, and last year it was awarded a six-figure research contract by the U.S. Census Bureau.

In the 1980s, U.S. Inc. provided millions of dollars to FAIR, U.S. English, the Center for Immigration Studies and several similar groups "” the 21st Century Fund, Population-Environment Balance, and the Immigration Reform Law Institute, which is now a litigation arm of FAIR.

During the 1990s, Tanton's U.S. Inc. adopted a new tactic, creating programs called NumbersUSA, The Social Contract Press (which publishes The Camp of the Saints), and Pro English.

Although these units would often present themselves as independent, tax forms make it clear that they are merely programs of U.S. Inc.

Tanton's funding organization, U.S. Inc., also has recently given money to Barbara Coe's California Coalition for Immigration Reform and Glenn Spencer's American Patrol (also known as Voice of Citizens Together), two of the most virulently anti-Hispanic groups in Tanton's network.

In the Trenches

Tanton's "movement" achieved some notable successes:

  • Almost 30 states and many more local communities passed "English Only" statutes enshrining English as the language of official business.

  • In 1994, after extensive campaigning by Tanton-supported groups, millions of Californians joined in passing Proposition 187, which denied social services to undocumented workers.

  • Two years later, Tanton celebrated the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, a law meant to cut illegal immigration that was heavily backed by anti-immigration groups. It required that asylum seekers be held in detention until they established a credible fear of persecution at home, a process that could take years.

There were failures, too. In 1996, Tanton helped to energize an effort to get the Sierra Club, a mainstream environmental group whose Population Committee he had headed during the 1970s, to pass an anti-immigration plank.

A major battle ensued, with many Sierra Club members seeing the proposed plank as fundamentally racist and out of line with the group's charter. The plank was finally rejected by 60% of those voting "” but that may not be the end of it.

Another Tanton-financed group, Californians for Population Stabilization, is now gearing up to reintroduce the issue to the Sierra Club.

Tanton was also careless in several ways.

Between 1985 and 1994, FAIR accepted $1.2 million from the Pioneer Fund "” an outfit once described by eugenics expert Barry Mehler as a "neo-Nazi organization, tied to the Nazi eugenics program in the 1930s, that has never wavered in its commitment to eugenics and ideas of human and racial inferiority and superiority."

When the Pioneer link was disclosed in 1988, Tanton, who was then president of FAIR's board, said he knew nothing of Pioneer's unsavory history. Yet his group continued to accept Pioneer grants for another six years, until 1994.

The Wise Men's Mistake

More damaging, however, was the leak, shortly before a 1988 English Only referendum in Arizona, of the so-called WITAN memos written by Tanton and the then-executive director of FAIR, Roger Conner. (WITAN was short for the Old English term "witenangemot," meaning "council of wise men." The memos were meant for Tanton colleagues who met at retreats to discuss immigration.)

The memos were replete with derogatory references to Latinos, reflecting a kind of entrenched bigotry that had only been suspected before. They complained mightily of the high Hispanic birth rate suggesting that Latin American immigrants would bring political corruption to the United States.

The memos included a demographic punchline that depicted Hispanics as hyperactive breeders and revolted many readers: "[P]erhaps this is the first instance in which those with their pants up are going to get caught by those with their pants down."

Linda Chavez, executive director of Tanton creation U.S. English and later a prominent Republican conservative columnist, quit over what she saw as Tanton's bigoted, anti-Latino bias.

So did several well-known U.S. English board members, including advisory board member Walter Cronkite, who called the memos "embarrassing."

Eventually Tanton left, although he complained he was being smeared as a racist, and went on to form a replacement organization "” English Language Advocates, later renamed Pro English.

More to the point, perhaps, the WITAN memos spelled out the strategy that Tanton would continue to follow for years. "We have spent some time, money and effort trying to build a membership for purposes of political validity and power," one memo said, "but this has not been a major emphasis."

The memos candidly added what anti-immigration groups would not admit publicly "” that the "movement" was "heavily based on a small number of donors."

Crossing the Rubicon

In many ways, 1998 became a kind of political Rubicon for Tanton and his colleagues. That year, a federal judge found much of Proposition 187 unconstitutional, dealing the anti-immigration movement one of its harshest setbacks ever and igniting a kind of desperation that drove many activists into increasingly extremist politics.

At the same time, Congress was whittling away at the 1996 immigration law, and u.s. political and economic elites generally were supporting immigration.

At least partly as a result of these developments, anti-immigration activists increasingly came to embrace conspiracist ideas like the notion pushed by Spencer and Coe of a Mexican plot to reconquer the American Southwest.

More and more key leaders in the Tanton network seemed to abandon all caution when it came to joining forces with like-minded white supremacist activists.

That summer, The Social Contract Press released a special issue of its journal, The Social Contract (published by Tanton), that was entitled "Europhobia: The Hostility Toward European-Descended Americans."

The lead article was written by John Vinson, head of the Tanton-supported American Immigration Control Foundation, and argued that "multiculturalism" was replacing "successful Euro-American culture" with "dysfunctional Third World cultures."

Tanton himself elaborated on Vinson's remarks, saying an "unwarranted hatred and fear" of white Americans was developing. The main culprits, in Tanton's view, were immigrants and their ideological allies, the "multiculturalists."

The issue was one of the first public manifestations of a collaboration between Tanton's network and open racists. In addition to Tanton and Vinson, the line-up of authors included:

  • Sam Francis, who would later become editor of the Citizens Informer, the racist publication of the Council of Conservative Citizens;

  • Lawrence Auster, who also spoke at conferences of American Renaissance, a pseudo-scientific magazine devoted to racial breeding and the idea that blacks are less intelligent; and

  • Joseph Fallon, who writes for American Renaissance.

Later issues of The Social Contract would carry articles by James Lubinskas, an editor of American Renaissance; Derek Turner of Right Now!, a similar British publication; and Michael Masters, the Virginia leader of the Council of Conservative Citizens.

An unholy alliance had begun to take shape.

Number Inflation

Tanton also wrote an editorial in 1998 that spoke of "trying to touch off the political phase of the immigration reform movement."

While Tanton didn't spell out exactly what he meant, it seems clear that he sought to develop a real base of popular support "” and to regain the trust of lawmakers, particularly the many Republicans who were scared off in the wake of the Proposition 187 fiasco. Many already had been punished at the polls for their support for the California proposition.

Typically, American politicians respond most to those groups that seem to represent a real constituency "” groups whose leaders are presumed to be able to command votes and money. Obviously, it was in the interest of the now struggling anti-immigration groups to appear to have large numbers of paid-up members.

The problem was, most of them did not.

First of all, the vast majority of funding for most of these groups comes from just a handful of donors, many of them large, right-wing foundations.

  • In 2000, the latest year for which tax returns are available, Vinson's American Immigration Control Foundation (AICF) received 90% of its funding from just three contributors.

  • Five contributions accounted for 82% of U.S. Inc.'s income in the same year.

  • Fifty-eight percent of FAIR's 2000 donations were provided by six donors.

  • Fourteen donors account for 94% of the Center for Immigration Studies income for that year.

The narrow funding base of such groups becomes even more apparent in cases like that of FAIR (with a budget of $4.2 million in 2000), which received more than $6 million from a single donor between 1996 and 1999.

U.S. Inc. (whose 2000 budget was $2.3 million) likewise got nearly $5 million in that period from one donor, while three other Tanton-linked organizations were given $1 million to $2 million donations by single donors.

If these kinds of major grants are subtracted from the groups' annual donation totals "” and if the membership fees posted on group websites are taken seriously "” then the membership claims made by many groups are clearly exaggerated.

For example, after subtracting the three major donations reported on AICF's 2000 tax forms, only $39,386 in income is left. If members pay $15 a year, as the AICF website says, then the group has at most 2,625 members "” hardly the 250,000-plus that it claims.

Similarly, ProjectUSA has said it has 3,000 members; but if a donation of $20 "” a figure recently suggested on its website "” was paid by each donor, then it would have had 841 members.

In the case of FAIR, which claims 75,000 members, the 2000 tax forms suggests a real membership base of about half that.

FAIR's executive director, Dan Stein, defends his numbers, telling the Intelligence Report members pay "a certain amount over a period of 24 months ... like $20" "” in other words, $10 a year. FAIR's website says that membership costs $25 a year.

The Foundations

The tax returns reveal another hidden aspect of many anti-immigration groups "” their heavy reliance on funding by right-wing foundations.

Tanton's most important funding source for the last two decades may well have been the Scaife family, heirs to the Mellon Bank fortune.

Richard Mellon Scaife, a reclusive figure, has been instrumental in establishing right-wing organizations like the Heritage Foundation and supporting causes like the "Arkansas Project," an effort to dig up dirt on President Clinton.

Scaife family foundations, including those controlled by Scaife's sister, Cordelia May Scaife, provided some $1.4 million to FAIR from 1986-2000.

These foundations, along with private trusts controlled by Scaife family members, have also provided millions of dollars to other anti-immigration groups.

Other foundations that have supported the Tanton network include:

  • The McConnell Foundation, whose president, Scott McConnell, is on both FAIR and the Center for Immigration Studies' boards;

  • The Shea Foundation, which also funds the Council of Conservative Citizens; and

  • The Weeden, Salisbury, Smith Richardson, Blair and Sikes foundations.

Joining the Extremists

Since 1998, the links have been strengthened between key anti-immigration activists and groups and white supremacist organizations – in particular, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) and American Renaissance (also known by the name of its parent, the New Century Foundation).

That year, Coe, Spencer and Rick Oltman, FAIR's western regional representative, all came to Cullman, Ala., for a CCC-organized protest against a swelling local population of Mexican workers.

After the protest, Vinson, the leader of the American Immigration Control Foundation, began writing of the perils of immigration for the CCC's paper, the Citizens Informer. Spencer started selling his anti-immigrant videotape in the same tabloid.

In 1999, the CCC hosted a panel on immigration that featured four key anti-immigrant activists "” Vinson, Spencer, Population-Environment Balance's Virginia Abernethy and Wayne Lutton, who had begun to edit The Social Contract, a Tanton publication, just a year earlier.

More recently, Lutton joined the editorial board of the Citizens Informer "” and also became a trustee of the racist New Century Foundation, parent of American Renaissance magazine.

Barbara Coe of California Coalition for Immigration Reform has spoken at three recent CCC conferences and writes regularly for the Informer.

Brent Nelson, who is on the board of Vinson's AICF, began serving as president of the CCC's Conservative Citizens Foundation and as an adviser to the Informer.

Asked by the Intelligence Report about Lutton "” who works out of Tanton's Petoskey, Mich., offices "” and other anti-immigration activists who have climbed on board with hate groups, Tanton declined to answer that or a series of other questions faxed to him by the Report at his request.

The questions showed "little evidence of tolerance for differences of opinion," he wrote.

Last year, Virginia Abernethy, a professor emeritus at Vanderbilt's medical school and leader of the Tanton-influenced Population-Environment Balance, became the latest in the Tanton network to join the Citizens Informer editorial board.

"My view of the Council of Conservative Citizens," she told the Intelligence Report, "is that they support traditional values and the freedom of people to associate with people that they want to associate with."

She spoke on the same day that the CCC's website carried a comparison of black pop singer Michael Jackson and an ape "” a comparison that Abernethy suggested may have reflected "bad taste," but not racism.

"What is the point of a society that pushes [racial] mixing?" she asked when told of another CCC web item that derided the wife of murdered Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl as a "mixed race" woman who is "committed to racial and ethnic amalgamation."

"Our society pushes mixing," the retired Vanderbilt professor added. "I think this is probably not a good thing for the society."

The Threat from the Right

Two weeks after the NumbersUSA lobbying trip to the offices of Tom Tancredo and a series of other congressmen, Glenn Spencer, head of the Tanton-funded anti-immigrant American Patrol, was one of the main speakers at a conference hosted by Jared Taylor of American Renaissance magazine.

Joining Spencer, who warned his audience that a second Mexican-American war would erupt in 2003, was an array of key extremists:

  • Mark Weber, a principal of the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review;

  • White power web maven, former Klansman and ex-con Don Black;

  • Gordon Lee Baum, "chief executive officer" of the CCC; and

  • several members of the neo-Nazi National Alliance.

Neo-Nazis like those of the National Alliance were not among those who lobbied Tancredo and the other politicians during the NumbersUSA event two weeks earlier.

But there were strong indications that the Tanton network and some of its new friends did make a number of key inroads in the halls of Congress.

The white supremacist CCC, for instance, later boasted in print about how its "members were welcomed ... and made a number of stops" during the lobbying trip. Both congressmen and senators were offered copies of its Citizens Informer, the group's newspaper reported.

Several of the anti-immigration activists who attended later claimed that the Tancredo caucus had grown in size specifically because of their lobbying efforts. At the end of the day, the CCC told its members that the Senate was now expected to pass a restrictive visa-tracking bill, which it said President Bush would likely sign.

There were other indications, too, of the strength of the Tanton network inside Tancredo's congressional immigration caucus.

Rosemary Jenks, who used to be a researcher at the Center for Immigration Studies, and Linda Purdue, who has worked with Tanton for years, are now both lobbyists with NumbersUSA.

Addressing her fellow lobbyists with Tancredo still in the room, Jenks said that she and Purdue could be reached any time in Tancredo's offices "” where, she said, they were "virtual staffers."

This kind of strategy was explicitly foreseen in the WITAN memos, described under subtitles like "Infiltrate the Judiciary Committee" and "Secure appointments of our friends" to key governmental positions.

Indeed, Cordia Strom, who was once FAIR's legal director, became a staffer for the House Immigration Subcommittee in 1996. Today, Strom is counsel to the director and coordinator of congressional affairs for the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

There is a real threat that members of Congress "” many of whom are rushing to become involved in immigration issues in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks "” may be taken in by the propagandists of the racist right.

Opinion polls consistently show that a majority of Americans believe that immigration needs to be cut below current levels, although that does not imply that they support the ideas of white supremacists or other bigots.

Certainly, the lobbyists who visited in February were taken seriously by many of those they visited "” today, the web page of Tancredo's Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus carries links to the pages of a whole array of Tanton-associated groups.

The danger is not that immigration levels are debated by Americans, but that the debate is controlled by bigots and extremists whose views are anathema to the ideals on which this country was founded.

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A ac9311A2
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Why is it that whenever someone talks about the impact of illegal aliens you call them hate mongers or racist?

I'm just curious. Because you always say that without ever acknowledging the fact that people are speaking specifically about illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

I would like very much to read your response. I want to understand your line of thinking as it relates to illegal immigration.


Ricardomath,

The question still stands. Please answer. I explained to you why I mentioned "FAIR". Personally, I don't have a problem whatsoever with legal immigration.

I have and will always have a problem with illegal immigration, for a variety of reasons too long to list in this thread (besides many of my personal reasons have been listed already).

In all honesty, at this point in my life, I am only concerned about the plight of African Americans.

It has never served us well when we create these fake coalitions with other people.
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R ricardomathA1
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Originally posted by ac9311:
quote:
Why is it that whenever someone talks about the impact of illegal aliens you call them hate mongers or racist?

I'm just curious. Because you always say that without ever acknowledging the fact that people are speaking specifically about illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

I would like very much to read your response. I want to understand your line of thinking as it relates to illegal immigration.


Ricardomath,

The question still stands. Please answer.


When did you stop beating your wife?
FabulousFabulousA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
quote:
Originally posted by ac9311:
quote:
Why is it that whenever someone talks about the impact of illegal aliens you call them hate mongers or racist?

I'm just curious. Because you always say that without ever acknowledging the fact that people are speaking specifically about illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

I would like very much to read your response. I want to understand your line of thinking as it relates to illegal immigration.


Ricardomath,

The question still stands. Please answer.


When did you stop beating your wife?


When did YOU stop calling your wife a "N"?

With your quick temper, I'm sure that's the first thing out of your BIG FAT MOUTH.

What an a**hole, the brother asked you an honest question, and here you are being UNcivil for no damn reason at all.

It makes sense that a person (like you) who is OBVIOUSLY in the habit of breaking the law (with a 20 year old 'failure to appear' on your record), would also advocate sneaking across the border aka ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES.

I will make it MY BUSINESS to inform law enforcement of your TOTAL disregard & disrespect of the law. . .

cause black men have been shot down & murdered for less.

Yet here you are rubbing your 'arrest warrant' in our 'black faces' by PUBLICLY announcing your white lawlessness aka WHITE PRIVILEGE.

shame on you nono
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ATPWordProATPWordProA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
quote:
Originally posted by ac9311:
quote:
Why is it that whenever someone talks about the impact of illegal aliens you call them hate mongers or racist?

I'm just curious. Because you always say that without ever acknowledging the fact that people are speaking specifically about illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

I would like very much to read your response. I want to understand your line of thinking as it relates to illegal immigration.


Ricardomath,

The question still stands. Please answer.


When did you stop beating your wife?


RicardoMath, come on now, what the hell?!?!

If you don't have an answer, just man up and say so. Responses like this are just pure fuckery. 6
R ricardomathA1
quote:
Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
quote:
Originally posted by ricardomath:
quote:
Originally posted by ac9311:
quote:
Why is it that whenever someone talks about the impact of illegal aliens you call them hate mongers or racist?

I'm just curious. Because you always say that without ever acknowledging the fact that people are speaking specifically about illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.

I would like very much to read your response. I want to understand your line of thinking as it relates to illegal immigration.


Ricardomath,

The question still stands. Please answer.


When did you stop beating your wife?


RicardoMath, come on now, what the hell?!?!

If you don't have an answer, just man up and say so. Responses like this are just pure fuckery. 6


That is my usual response to questions that assume facts not in evidence.

How is my question any different than the question that I was responding to? Both contain (not so) hidden false assumptions.

My question is merely the standard archetypical example of such a "hidden assumption" question. I figured that folks would recognize it as such.
ATPWordProATPWordProA1
I don't see anywhere in the quoted material where he brought your family into the picture.

I believe the question on the table was regarding illegal vs. legal immigration and how those who oppose the former are characterized.

If your, or anyone else's, debating skills are not strong enough to keep wives, husbands, sister, brothers, etc. out your mouth, you need to be quiet.
FabulousFabulousA1
quote:
Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
I don't see anywhere in the quoted material where he brought your family into the picture.

I believe the question on the table was regarding illegal vs. legal immigration and how those who oppose the former are characterized.

If your, or anyone else's, debating skills are not strong enough to keep wives, husbands, sister, brothers, etc. out your mouth, you need to be quiet.


Well, Imma tell you. . .I will go there if ricardomath goes there and debating skills be damned.
R ricardomathA1
quote:
Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
I don't see anywhere in the quoted material where he brought your family into the picture.

I believe the question on the table was regarding illegal vs. legal immigration and how those who oppose the former are characterized.

If your, or anyone else's, debating skills are not strong enough to keep wives, husbands, sister, brothers, etc. out your mouth, you need to be quiet.


I am not bringing anybody's family into the discussion. The question "when did you stop beating your wife" is the standard archetype (in my experience, anyway) of a question whose phrasing contains an assumption that the person answering may not agree with. It is never used as a serious question.

If somebody asks me that question, I assume that they feel that my previous question to them contains a hidden (or not so hidden) assumption. Indeed, this is the only context in which I have ever heard the question asked. (Maybe it is a cultural thing? Are people really not familiar with that question?)

It is a statement only superficially phrased as a question. The question mark at the end of the statement is for decoration only.
FabulousFabulousA1
quote:
I am not bringing anybody's family into the discussion. The question "when did you stop beating your wife" is the standard archetype of a question whose phrasing contains an assumption that the person answering may not agree with.

If somebody asks me that question, I assume that they feel that my previous question to them contains a hidden (or not so hidden) assumption. Indeed, this is the only context in which I have ever heard the question asked. (Maybe it is a cultural thing?)


Or maybe it's just plain ole BULLSHYT!
ATPWordProATPWordProA1
quote:
Originally posted by Fabulous:
quote:
I am not bringing anybody's family into the discussion. The question "when did you stop beating your wife" is the standard archetype of a question whose phrasing contains an assumption that the person answering may not agree with.

If somebody asks me that question, I assume that they feel that my previous question to them contains a hidden (or not so hidden) assumption. Indeed, this is the only context in which I have ever heard the question asked. (Maybe it is a cultural thing?)


Or maybe it's just plain ole BULLSHYT!


Co-sign. Straight bull-fuckery.

"When did you stop beating your wife" implies that the person you are asking at some point did beat their wife. I don't care what kind of archetype, phrasing or other verbal tom-foolery you are trying to pull off. In OUR culture "When did you stop beating your wife" means just that.
FabulousFabulousA1
quote:
Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
quote:
Originally posted by Fabulous:
quote:
I am not bringing anybody's family into the discussion. The question "when did you stop beating your wife" is the standard archetype of a question whose phrasing contains an assumption that the person answering may not agree with.

If somebody asks me that question, I assume that they feel that my previous question to them contains a hidden (or not so hidden) assumption. Indeed, this is the only context in which I have ever heard the question asked. (Maybe it is a cultural thing?)


Or maybe it's just plain ole BULLSHYT!


Co-sign. Straight bull-fuckery.

"When did you stop beating your wife" implies that the person you are asking at some point did beat their wife. I don't care what kind of archetype, phrasing or other verbal tom-foolery you are trying to pull off. In OUR culture "When did you stop beating your wife" means just that.


@ATPWordPro. . . tfro

Ricardomath makes a negative statement then falls back on 'it's a culture thing'? 17

19

What? did he forget he was posting to/on a BLACK forum???

Seems to me before making such a statement he would consider his AUDIENCE. . .

some statements are plain WRONG depending on the audience and I believe ricardomath's "when did you stop beating your wife" qualifies as pure unadulterated bs

the only time he ever 'considers' folks, though, are when they are illegal aliens or black folk who buy into his rhetoric.


BTW. . .Merry Christmas ATPWordPro Smile
FabulousFabulousA1
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
For folks who are truely unfamiliar with the question, its archetypical nature, or with the concept behind the question, for an explanation I would invite you to click on just about any link that you can find in the following google search:

"When did you stop beating your wife?"


sleep

You are full of shit. . .

If you what you say is true then why didn't you 'explain yourself' in the FIRST PLACE (in that first post), rather then leave it open to be misinterpreted?

I believe you did this because you INTENDED to insult.

KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE

or keep that bullshyt to yourself.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. . .

You were making an ASSumption.

you 'assumed' your statement wouldn't be offensive (when it was).

That makes you a hypocrite and no better than the folks who YOU SAY 'make assumptions' regarding illegal aliens AKA those you point your finger at.

A**hole.
MalikMalikA1
quote:
Originally posted by ac9311:

In all honesty, at this point in my life, I am only concerned about the plight of African Americans.

It has never served us well when we create these fake coalitions with other people.


A goodly number of the immigrants in question are themselves Black. Why should we play a zero-sum game where in order for us to win, they have to lose?
FabulousFabulousA1
Dear Readers, so there is no confusion. . .

The basic definition of an "immigrant" under the U.S. federal law is A NON-CITIZEN (ALIEN) LAWFULLY ADMITTED FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE.

Therefore, any non-citizen that isn't "lawfully admitted' for 'permanent residence' is not an immigrant.

In other words, those admitted on tourist visas are not immigrants. Those admitted on student visas are not immigrants and those admitted on temporary work visas are not immigrants.

THAT is the bottom line.

to call ppl who come here ILLEGALLY 'immigrants' is to totally disregard the term as stated by federal law.
EbonyRoseEbonyRoseA1
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Originally posted by Malik:
quote:
Originally posted by ac9311:

In all honesty, at this point in my life, I am only concerned about the plight of African Americans.

It has never served us well when we create these fake coalitions with other people.


A goodly number of the immigrants in question are themselves Black. Why should we play a zero-sum game where in order for us to win, they have to lose?


Surely you aren't suggesting that Black people should be allowed to break the law just because they're Black, are you?? Confused
EbonyRoseEbonyRoseA1
quote:
Originally posted by Fabulous:
quote:
Originally posted by ATPWordPro:
quote:
Originally posted by Fabulous:
quote:
I am not bringing anybody's family into the discussion. The question "when did you stop beating your wife" is the standard archetype of a question whose phrasing contains an assumption that the person answering may not agree with.

If somebody asks me that question, I assume that they feel that my previous question to them contains a hidden (or not so hidden) assumption. Indeed, this is the only context in which I have ever heard the question asked. (Maybe it is a cultural thing?)


Or maybe it's just plain ole BULLSHYT!


Co-sign. Straight bull-fuckery.

"When did you stop beating your wife" implies that the person you are asking at some point did beat their wife. I don't care what kind of archetype, phrasing or other verbal tom-foolery you are trying to pull off. In OUR culture "When did you stop beating your wife" means just that.


@ATPWordPro. . . tfro


yeah

It's a White thang ... Only Ricardomath is supposed to understand. Big Grin
FabulousFabulousA1
quote:
Originally posted by EbonyRose:
quote:
Originally posted by Malik:
quote:
Originally posted by ac9311:

In all honesty, at this point in my life, I am only concerned about the plight of African Americans.

It has never served us well when we create these fake coalitions with other people.


A goodly number of the immigrants in question are themselves Black. Why should we play a zero-sum game where in order for us to win, they have to lose?


Surely you aren't suggesting that Black people should be allowed to break the law just because they're Black, are you?? Confused


'Right on' Sistah ^5 tfro

And Merry Christmas to you, EbonyRose hug
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