
Kai, for the record, Virtue lost a great deal of respect in my mind when it really dawned on me that she ever gave a flip about you.... To me that says a lot about a person... Birds of a feather... 

quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Peace...
Honest Viking wrote:quote:Okay, let's not be dishonest. We are also not limiting the fantasizing to professional strippers. We are including women who pose in tasteful photographs.
Any fantasizing of promiscuous women means that you have a taste or desire for the object in the fantasy...hence you like..
Black brother wrote:quote:Once again, provocative does not equal promiscuous. Why are these shades of gray so difficult to understand
it is not difficult to understand. the idea here is not whetehr all nude photos of women mena a promiscuous woman, but rather that sometimes these photos are photos of loose woman, and on the occasions when the woman are notoriously loose...You still fantasize about her while claiming to not like her....
Kai
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Peace....
Well, HonestBrother, to tell you the truth, on many occasions you have entertained those who have viewed you as nothing more than a joke.
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Your lack of respect for me is only the result of the fact that I am not like those of your ilk. I am not a happy go lucky dud. yeah dud.
quote:Names please?, SARACEN DOG?
quote:Those of my ilk? Intelligent? Educated? Geniuses?
quote:Bring it on, Bitch.
quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
The SARACEN DOG... BOW WOW
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That's all you get from me. It's all you're worth...
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
No... I was actually thinking more along the lines of depressed janitors with a phd.quote:Bring it on, Bitch.
Soon the font will grow....And then I will regret that I ever challenged the king of all weirdos.
The internet stalker, stalker..
Kai
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Peace....
Okay seriously, I gotta ask...what do you think that you have that I want?
You repeated this over and over the last time that i beat you like a bowl of eggs....
So far you have admitted that you are lonely, depressed, lack a sex life, have no clue as it relates to how to treat a woman, have a job developing white kids, and used to be in love with a woman that you decided to attack in front of the people you claim to respect....
Honestbrother, what is there to be jealous of? i am actually curious....
Kai
quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
MUTHAFUCKA, you remind me of the negroes who made fun of me because I read growing up.... Weirdo? Me? .... Only to CONTROL FREAK NIGGERS LIKE YOURSELF who need to be on top of the rest of us to make yourselves feel like men....
quote:Originally posted by donna529:
WELL, I HATE TO STEP IN THIS ENRICHED CONVERSATION OF MEANESS, BUT TO BE HONEST
HONEST BROTHER--YOU HAVE BEEN AN AA FAMILY MEMBER FOR A LONG TIME, AND KAI--YOU ARE THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK. TAKE THE HINT KAI, AND STEP OFF OF HONEST BROTHER. WE HAVE HIS BACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM. WHO HAS YOURS?
quote:DAMNED, Kai... I'm a stalker? You've been reading ALL my shit
Now THAT'S TRUE STALKER QUALITY FOR YA
Maybe it's really ME that you want
Is that it?
You lust after men?...
quote:Maybe I have some things that you want?
like true intellect, TALENT?, true independence, a Ph.D.?, a job?, a future?, some actual game to back up my talk?, MY ASS?...
I wonder... My ass? Right?
quote:HONEST BROTHER--YOU HAVE BEEN AN AA FAMILY MEMBER FOR A LONG TIME, AND KAI--YOU ARE THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK. TAKE THE HINT KAI, AND STEP OFF OF HONEST BROTHER. WE HAVE HIS BACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM. WHO HAS YOURS?
quote:Neither one of you has an ounce of decorum. Everyone can tell what the hell you two are hinting at and it's very upsetting that the two of you persist in dragging *other people's business* into your arguments over and over again
quote:Originally posted by Kai:quote:DAMNED, Kai... I'm a stalker? You've been reading ALL my shit
Now THAT'S TRUE STALKER QUALITY FOR YA
You have serious issues dude....
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Wow....
Do you really think that i would contiue talking to you when you obviously want to turn this into something relating to homosexuality?
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Now go watch a lap dance while we all laugh at you.
quote:Originally posted by Frenchy:
Neither one of you has an ounce of decorum. Everyone can tell what the hell you two are hinting at and it's very upsetting that the two of you persist in dragging *other people's business* into your arguments over and over again.![]()
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Once again...When I say nothing to the attacks hurled by this man you all have nothing to say...But as soon as I begin to return in kind the treatment he initiates, I see people here objecting...get your dog, and i won't beat him....But if you watch your stray animal walk up to bite me and say nothing...what do you expect?
the man has issues...if he belongs to you all...Put a fence around him...Okay?
Kai
quote:Neither one of you is my responsibility. Have your disagreements. But it's piss poor behavior to drag other people's offline activities and comments onto the board. It does not bolster your argument to continually ask HB on the board about this woman or bring up the contents of what are clearly private conversations. It's rude and wildly inappropriate.
quote:Originally posted by virtue:"I don't assess the morals of a woman with her azz in my face.... I just enjoy it.... and Virtue.... you are very wrong for pointing out that she is loose..... I don't see her azz as loose.... I see her AZZ.... and enjoy the beauty of it.... YOU, my dear Virtue, have the nerve to JUDGE this lovely piece of AZZ grinding in my face as loose!....."quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
You failed to undertand my point. I was not denying being excited. But, YOU, my dear, are the one looking at the picture making the judgement that the woman is "loose."
Who are you to tell us what goes on or doesn't go on in the mind of a fantasizing man??Especially when I, a man, am telling you something very specific about my experience. Who are you to over-rule my opinion on the matter?
My point was that the idea of the woman being "loose" plays no part in the enjoyment of the pictures. In fact, the idea may ruin that enjoyment.
-My interpretation....
I get it....
so be it....
Peace,
Virtue
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board.......
quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
But my point was that
1) The model is not herself necessarily promiscuous just because she's posing.
2) The mere fact that she is posing suggestively does NOT necessarily send the message that she is promiscuous.
3) The person enjoying the photographs is not necessarily perceiving the model as promiscuous nor deriving pleasure from the thought that the model may be promiscuous.
AGAIN: YOU'RE "DEBATING" A PHOTOGRAPHER
ALL I'm saying, folks, is that it depends: On the model, the pose, the viewer...
There are many variables in this situation. And not everyone responds the same way.
What's so damned controversial about this statement??
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
Ddouble .... you attack me often...... for the same reason.....
not agreeing with you......
my statements always have to have some "veiled" attempt at something.....
nope....
sorry....
you don't know me that well....
my questions are simply that.......
an honest question.......
I jump out of threads to ask questions, because some people, like you for instance, are aggressive with their responses...... and I am not....... so the only way to get a question answered without taking a beating is to preface the statement with I'm leaving......
you don't know me....
but I don't like to argue....
I rarely do.....
it is obvious that the men here are VERY sensitive about seeing women half naked do lap dances and posing provocatively....... apparently if I think that this behavior is untoward.... THEN I HAVE AN AGENDA....
this is simply not true...
my position is not yours...... and the truth is..... that rather than engage me from my standpoint.... you brow beat the issue and make claims on MY intentions....
you never address the point you say you think I make.... you're upset that my position is "moral"...... and because it is so..... I somehow am trying to what? convert AA?
No.....
let me state my intentions for you.......
I truly don't understand how men can view half naked women gyrating sexually before thousands of men.... with the intent to stimulate them sexually and then say "these women are absolutely NOT sending a message of promiscuity"!
Now for the record..... I don't try to put words into people's mouths..... what I DO is COMMUNICATE..... and what that means is when you make a statement.... like every other human being ON THE PLANET.....I make an interpretation of what I heard..... just like you TRY to interpret my statements..... and then afterwards what happens is the person lets you know whether or not that is his/her position.....
But some of you do not do this..... you simply say I have an agenda.... I'm putting words in your mouth..... this is not "force" its an interpretation...
guess what?
I have a right to it.....
By the way I was frustrated when speaking to HB and had had enough of arguing over the issue all day.....
But if anyone knows me here they know that I usually treat EVERYONE with kindness..... and I NEVER attack..... my nerves were spent....
Frenchy and I don't see eye to eye on many issues..... but.... she KNOWS me..... and my persona..... I don't just respect her because her position is my own.... We have respect for one another because we value being respectful..... and its funny, that's all it takes for us to continue dialog......
so she was simply explaining things to others because she knows me..... not defending my position but MY RIGHT TO HAVE ONE.
I've been here for a year.....
I've been countered on my opinions by Nmaginate (harshly), Melesi, Rowe and once I've even ticked off MBM..... and I tick off AudioGuy regularly (smile)..... but I have never taken any of it personally or felt like I was attacked for simply THINKING differently.....
With you and HB.... I do......
I feell like taking a moral stance is the issue with you..... not the moral value....
and what's interesting is I never really made a moral issue.... you all labeled it that......
I pointed out what I thought was an inconsistency.....
As far as KAI......
He is the new guy here..... but.... I know him..... and he is a very good guy..... he has never disrespected me and has always treated me kindly........ and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board....... but.... I know he is a man first, a poster on a message board last (if that)...... and what he considers a good woman being attacked is a trigger with him..... I am grateful for his defense......
I do expect special treatment.... I expect EVERY WOMAN HERE to expect special treatment.... because its the value system with which I was raised...... and the special treatment is not one where my viewpoints are agreed with..... but simply my consistent kindness given extra consideration....
I understand where I come from is antiquated.... we've been liberated from men treating us with kid gloves..... and I'm sure there are many men that are all too happy to FINALLY be able to slap us around and justify it with the fact that we're just like them and deserve nothing different than what they would give their friends......
But I have always treated everyone here kindly.....
My outburst wasn't even an attack on HB.... but the ridiculousness of his POSITION..... I never attacked him PERSONALLY...... personal attacks started with him..... go back and read the thread..... He took it to a personal level........
But ddouble.... according to you..... I need to fight more often...... sorry.... I'm not going to do it.... I will continue to avoid unnecessary tension when I can..... and when I slip up.... I will try to rein it in as soon as I can.....
That's why I said Okay to your earlier response.....
Because I knew that's all you wanted me to say....
You just wanted to be right.....
But you aren't.....
As far as staying away from the Den.... I prefaced my statement initially in another thread with "I know I said I wouldn't do this but..." apparently I don't have the right to change my mind..... but I've changed it before..... the topic stimulated me enough to want to respond.....
I decided to act on my own will and post rather than make you happy and be consistent.....
But being consistent is not a problem for me.....
I'm tired....
I've never been hurt so on this board....
until now....
I'll stay away.....ddouble....
I won't change my position because you don't like it or think I have an agenda.....
I actually have a right to disagree with you and my position does not mean you are forced to submit...
but to your other point of being consistent and staying out of the DEN your wish is granted....
Peace,
Virtue
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