Kai, for the record, Virtue lost a great deal of respect in my mind when it really dawned on me that she ever gave a flip about you.... To me that says a lot about a person... Birds of a feather...
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Peace...
Honest Viking wrote:quote:Okay, let's not be dishonest. We are also not limiting the fantasizing to professional strippers. We are including women who pose in tasteful photographs.
Any fantasizing of promiscuous women means that you have a taste or desire for the object in the fantasy...hence you like..
Black brother wrote:quote:Once again, provocative does not equal promiscuous. Why are these shades of gray so difficult to understand
it is not difficult to understand. the idea here is not whetehr all nude photos of women mena a promiscuous woman, but rather that sometimes these photos are photos of loose woman, and on the occasions when the woman are notoriously loose...You still fantasize about her while claiming to not like her....
Kai
Kai, you are a complete waste of energy. I'm done.
Peace....
Well, HonestBrother, to tell you the truth, on many occasions you have entertained those who have viewed you as nothing more than a joke.
Your lack of respect for me is only the result of the fact that I am not like those of your ilk. I am not a happy go lucky dud. yeah dud.
We have already done this...Round two would be much worse than round one...But if this is what you wish for...then proceed.
Kai
Well, HonestBrother, to tell you the truth, on many occasions you have entertained those who have viewed you as nothing more than a joke.
Your lack of respect for me is only the result of the fact that I am not like those of your ilk. I am not a happy go lucky dud. yeah dud.
We have already done this...Round two would be much worse than round one...But if this is what you wish for...then proceed.
Kai
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Peace....
Well, HonestBrother, to tell you the truth, on many occasions you have entertained those who have viewed you as nothing more than a joke.
Names please?, SARACEN DOG?
quote:
Your lack of respect for me is only the result of the fact that I am not like those of your ilk. I am not a happy go lucky dud. yeah dud.
Those of my ilk? Intelligent? Educated? Geniuses?
Bring it on, Bitch.
The SARACEN DOG... BOW WOW
That's all you get from me. It's all you're worth...
That's all you get from me. It's all you're worth...
I'm going to bed..
Peace...
No... I was actually thinking more along the lines of depressed janitors with a phd.
Soon the font will grow....And then I will regret that I ever challenged the king of all weirdos.
The internet stalker, stalker..
Kai
quote:Names please?, SARACEN DOG?
quote:Those of my ilk? Intelligent? Educated? Geniuses?
No... I was actually thinking more along the lines of depressed janitors with a phd.
quote:Bring it on, Bitch.
Soon the font will grow....And then I will regret that I ever challenged the king of all weirdos.
The internet stalker, stalker..
Kai
quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
The SARACEN DOG... BOW WOW
That's all you get from me. It's all you're worth...
I noticed that you waited until I said I was going to bed... Trying to get one off behind my back, huh, BITCH?
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
No... I was actually thinking more along the lines of depressed janitors with a phd.quote:Bring it on, Bitch.
Soon the font will grow....And then I will regret that I ever challenged the king of all weirdos.
The internet stalker, stalker..
Kai
I'm a depressed janitor with a Ph.D. that an internet loser named Kai seems strangely jealous of...
Maybe I have some things that you want?
like true intellect, true independence, a Ph.D.?, some actual game to back up my talk?, ...
I wonder...
You remind me of the negroes who made fun of me because I read growing up.... Weirdo? Me? .... Only to CONTROL FREAK NIGGERS LIKE YOURSELF who need to be on top of the rest of us to make yourselves feel like men....
Peace....
Okay seriously, I gotta ask...what do you think that you have that I want?
You repeated this over and over the last time that i beat you like a bowl of eggs....
So far you have admitted that you are lonely, depressed, lack a sex life, have no clue as it relates to how to treat a woman, have a job developing white kids, and used to be in love with a woman that you decided to attack in front of the people you claim to respect....
Honestbrother, what is there to be jealous of? i am actually curious....
Kai
Okay seriously, I gotta ask...what do you think that you have that I want?
You repeated this over and over the last time that i beat you like a bowl of eggs....
So far you have admitted that you are lonely, depressed, lack a sex life, have no clue as it relates to how to treat a woman, have a job developing white kids, and used to be in love with a woman that you decided to attack in front of the people you claim to respect....
Honestbrother, what is there to be jealous of? i am actually curious....
Kai
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Peace....
Okay seriously, I gotta ask...what do you think that you have that I want?
You repeated this over and over the last time that i beat you like a bowl of eggs....
So far you have admitted that you are lonely, depressed, lack a sex life, have no clue as it relates to how to treat a woman, have a job developing white kids, and used to be in love with a woman that you decided to attack in front of the people you claim to respect....
Honestbrother, what is there to be jealous of? i am actually curious....
Kai
DAMNED, Kai... I'm a stalker? You've been reading ALL my shit
Now THAT'S TRUE STALKER QUALITY FOR YA
Maybe it's really ME that you want
Is that it?
You lust after men?...
PS:
Maybe I have some things that you want?
like true intellect, TALENT?, true independence, a Ph.D.?, a job?, a future?, some actual game to back up my talk?, MY ASS?...
I wonder... My ass? Right?
quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
MUTHAFUCKA, you remind me of the negroes who made fun of me because I read growing up.... Weirdo? Me? .... Only to CONTROL FREAK NIGGERS LIKE YOURSELF who need to be on top of the rest of us to make yourselves feel like men....
You and all your pathetic kind need to die out among us before we can ever progress as a people
WELL, I HATE TO STEP IN THIS ENRICHED CONVERSATION OF MEANESS, BUT TO BE HONEST
HONEST BROTHER--YOU HAVE BEEN AN AA FAMILY MEMBER FOR A LONG TIME, AND KAI--YOU ARE THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK. TAKE THE HINT KAI, AND STEP OFF OF HONEST BROTHER. WE HAVE HIS BACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM. WHO HAS YOURS?
HONEST BROTHER--YOU HAVE BEEN AN AA FAMILY MEMBER FOR A LONG TIME, AND KAI--YOU ARE THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK. TAKE THE HINT KAI, AND STEP OFF OF HONEST BROTHER. WE HAVE HIS BACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM. WHO HAS YOURS?
quote:Originally posted by donna529:
WELL, I HATE TO STEP IN THIS ENRICHED CONVERSATION OF MEANESS, BUT TO BE HONEST
HONEST BROTHER--YOU HAVE BEEN AN AA FAMILY MEMBER FOR A LONG TIME, AND KAI--YOU ARE THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK. TAKE THE HINT KAI, AND STEP OFF OF HONEST BROTHER. WE HAVE HIS BACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM. WHO HAS YOURS?
You just made a friend for life...
NO PROBLEM HONEST B.
Peace....
You have serious issues dude....
Wow....
Do you really think that i would contiue talking to you when you obviously want to turn this into something relating to homosexuality?
What the Hell is wrong with you????
You actually want to have sex with AA.org....That is some sick stuff....
You are scary....still very dweebish....but scary....
beat it loser....
As far as the good job you have...Son, I make jobs...
Now go watch a lap dance while we all laugh at you.
And uh...what gives with the flasher outfit???
Go away....Get...Get!!!
damn strays...
Kai
quote:DAMNED, Kai... I'm a stalker? You've been reading ALL my shit
Now THAT'S TRUE STALKER QUALITY FOR YA
Maybe it's really ME that you want
Is that it?
You lust after men?...
You have serious issues dude....
quote:Maybe I have some things that you want?
like true intellect, TALENT?, true independence, a Ph.D.?, a job?, a future?, some actual game to back up my talk?, MY ASS?...
I wonder... My ass? Right?
Wow....
Do you really think that i would contiue talking to you when you obviously want to turn this into something relating to homosexuality?
What the Hell is wrong with you????
You actually want to have sex with AA.org....That is some sick stuff....
You are scary....still very dweebish....but scary....
beat it loser....
As far as the good job you have...Son, I make jobs...
Now go watch a lap dance while we all laugh at you.
And uh...what gives with the flasher outfit???
Go away....Get...Get!!!
damn strays...
Kai
Neither one of you has an ounce of decorum. Everyone can tell what the hell you two are hinting at and it's very upsetting that the two of you persist in dragging *other people's business* into your arguments over and over again. 
Peace....
White folk say the same things to each other when one of the Negroes step out of line...it is not an issue of who is right...But who is part of the good ole boy network.
Donna, go back into the thread and see who started this exchange..And then be bold enough to stand with the person who is right..Not just part of the crowd...Will Ya???
Please accept my thanks in advance.
Kai
quote:HONEST BROTHER--YOU HAVE BEEN AN AA FAMILY MEMBER FOR A LONG TIME, AND KAI--YOU ARE THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK. TAKE THE HINT KAI, AND STEP OFF OF HONEST BROTHER. WE HAVE HIS BACK, BECAUSE WE KNOW HIM. WHO HAS YOURS?
White folk say the same things to each other when one of the Negroes step out of line...it is not an issue of who is right...But who is part of the good ole boy network.
Donna, go back into the thread and see who started this exchange..And then be bold enough to stand with the person who is right..Not just part of the crowd...Will Ya???
Please accept my thanks in advance.
Kai
THANKS FRENCHY, MAYBE THE LASHING WILL STOP.
Peace...
Once again...When I say nothing to the attacks hurled by this man you all have nothing to say...But as soon as I begin to return in kind the treatment he initiates, I see people here objecting...get your dog, and i won't beat him....But if you watch your stray animal walk up to bite me and say nothing...what do you expect?
the man has issues...if he belongs to you all...Put a fence around him...Okay?
Kai
quote:Neither one of you has an ounce of decorum. Everyone can tell what the hell you two are hinting at and it's very upsetting that the two of you persist in dragging *other people's business* into your arguments over and over again
Once again...When I say nothing to the attacks hurled by this man you all have nothing to say...But as soon as I begin to return in kind the treatment he initiates, I see people here objecting...get your dog, and i won't beat him....But if you watch your stray animal walk up to bite me and say nothing...what do you expect?
the man has issues...if he belongs to you all...Put a fence around him...Okay?
Kai
quote:Originally posted by Kai:quote:DAMNED, Kai... I'm a stalker? You've been reading ALL my shit
Now THAT'S TRUE STALKER QUALITY FOR YA
You have serious issues dude....
Why have you been reading ALL my stuff? Can't answer can you? Mr. Saracen Stalker...
quote:
Wow....
Do you really think that i would contiue talking to you when you obviously want to turn this into something relating to homosexuality?
Translate: He's looking for a way to save face and back his disgraceful ass out of this "conversation"...
quote:
Now go watch a lap dance while we all laugh at you.
WE? I don't see anybody claiming to have your back.... You have multiple personality disorder? That might explain a lot.
For the record, I don't go to strip joints...
I'll give you an easy exit: I'M GOING TO BED FOR REAL NOW. I have a job. I need sleep.
PS: donna529,
quote:Originally posted by Frenchy:
Neither one of you has an ounce of decorum. Everyone can tell what the hell you two are hinting at and it's very upsetting that the two of you persist in dragging *other people's business* into your arguments over and over again.
Frenchy, whatever...
He keeeps bringing other people's business into this and puts me in the place of having to defend myself.
I'm done with this.
Kai, you're a pathetic liar....
Goodnight.
Goodnight.
Peace...
It is late....
sleep tight...hopefully within a straightjacket.
leave the couples at the mall alone..When you feel compelled to flash...Just say No...
And if you happen to see Sanaa Lathan...Please do not kidnap her..She deserves to be alive, and in one piece..and not stuffed into the head of a grizzly bear, or some sick sh!t like that.
Kai
It is late....
sleep tight...hopefully within a straightjacket.
leave the couples at the mall alone..When you feel compelled to flash...Just say No...
And if you happen to see Sanaa Lathan...Please do not kidnap her..She deserves to be alive, and in one piece..and not stuffed into the head of a grizzly bear, or some sick sh!t like that.
Kai
quote:Originally posted by Kai:
Once again...When I say nothing to the attacks hurled by this man you all have nothing to say...But as soon as I begin to return in kind the treatment he initiates, I see people here objecting...get your dog, and i won't beat him....But if you watch your stray animal walk up to bite me and say nothing...what do you expect?
the man has issues...if he belongs to you all...Put a fence around him...Okay?
Kai
Neither one of you is my responsibility. Have your disagreements. But it's piss poor behavior to drag other people's offline activities and comments onto the board. It does not bolster your argument to continually ask HB on the board about this woman or bring up the contents of what are clearly private conversations. It's rude and wildly inappropriate.
peace...
I have not asked him about anything more than what he has made obvious on the board.
It does not require the contents of anything private to see what he is about.
Are you saying that you had no clue in regards to his feelings before i brought it up? Was it a mystery?
I simply brought it to the light because it has been the basis of his attacks against me since I have come to this forum.
And for god's sake it should have come to the light anyway since he has clearly demonstrated that he is not stable enough mentally to have what he wanted.
Justice is Blind...
Kai
quote:Neither one of you is my responsibility. Have your disagreements. But it's piss poor behavior to drag other people's offline activities and comments onto the board. It does not bolster your argument to continually ask HB on the board about this woman or bring up the contents of what are clearly private conversations. It's rude and wildly inappropriate.
I have not asked him about anything more than what he has made obvious on the board.
It does not require the contents of anything private to see what he is about.
Are you saying that you had no clue in regards to his feelings before i brought it up? Was it a mystery?
I simply brought it to the light because it has been the basis of his attacks against me since I have come to this forum.
And for god's sake it should have come to the light anyway since he has clearly demonstrated that he is not stable enough mentally to have what he wanted.
Justice is Blind...
Kai
Who is right - that's the million dollar question. Unfortunately, the answer is not as cut and dry as you present it to be Kai. Personally, I think you and HB would do well not saying anything to one another, ever again (he might need to add virtue to that list too)! Unfortunately, part of the forum culture is drama & flame wars, even at AA.org.
IMO, virtue does not get a pass for her part in this whole mess. Lately, her strategy has been to hurl veiled attacks & then claim her words have been twisted. This immediately wrecks any chance for prolonged calm, rational discussion. Between this thread and the one in A Sista's Spot, her intentions became clear: To label the picture threads here as inappropriate and to question the morality/decency/intelligence of anyone who disagrees with her assessment (phrased just vaguely enough to create the illusion of possible misinterpretation). Though Frenchy & I don't see eye to eye on a few things, I've always respected her honest, direct approach. Go back and read the threads again - v has taken digs left & right. Everyone has a breaking point and it's unfair to cite gender as a reason for accepting excessive abusive remarks.
Kai, I don't respond to you the way I do because you're new. I (and others) have issue with your approach. I'm not asking you to change anything, but you've tried your current tract multiple times and have gotten the same result. If you're cool with the way things are so be it.
The association being made between the pictures & promiscuity is tenuous at best. I don't even think this discussion is about pictures anymore. It's about control. Control to limit the number of picture threads. Control to recognize that every decision won't go your way (and not throw a tantrum about it). Control to avoid people & threads that you do not approve of. Control to respect a difference of opinion without publicly trashing someone. Control not to force everyone to see/do things your way.
I suspect everybody might need to cool it for a minute. There was a guy named IRONHORSE that acted the way you gentlemen are - and he's no longer here...
Unfortunately, part of the forum culture is drama & flame wars, even at AA.org.IMO, virtue does not get a pass for her part in this whole mess. Lately, her strategy has been to hurl veiled attacks & then claim her words have been twisted. This immediately wrecks any chance for prolonged calm, rational discussion. Between this thread and the one in A Sista's Spot, her intentions became clear: To label the picture threads here as inappropriate and to question the morality/decency/intelligence of anyone who disagrees with her assessment (phrased just vaguely enough to create the illusion of possible misinterpretation). Though Frenchy & I don't see eye to eye on a few things, I've always respected her honest, direct approach. Go back and read the threads again - v has taken digs left & right. Everyone has a breaking point and it's unfair to cite gender as a reason for accepting excessive abusive remarks.
Kai, I don't respond to you the way I do because you're new. I (and others) have issue with your approach. I'm not asking you to change anything, but you've tried your current tract multiple times and have gotten the same result. If you're cool with the way things are so be it.
The association being made between the pictures & promiscuity is tenuous at best. I don't even think this discussion is about pictures anymore. It's about control. Control to limit the number of picture threads. Control to recognize that every decision won't go your way (and not throw a tantrum about it). Control to avoid people & threads that you do not approve of. Control to respect a difference of opinion without publicly trashing someone. Control not to force everyone to see/do things your way.
I suspect everybody might need to cool it for a minute. There was a guy named IRONHORSE that acted the way you gentlemen are - and he's no longer here...
Ddouble .... you attack me often...... for the same reason.....
not agreeing with you......
my statements always have to have some "veiled" attempt at something.....
nope....
sorry....
you don't know me that well....
my questions are simply that.......
an honest question.......
I jump out of threads to ask questions, because some people, like you for instance, are aggressive with their responses...... and I am not....... so the only way to get a question answered without taking a beating is to preface the statement with I'm leaving......
you don't know me....
but I don't like to argue....
I rarely do.....
it is obvious that the men here are VERY sensitive about seeing women half naked do lap dances and posing provocatively....... apparently if I think that this behavior is untoward.... THEN I HAVE AN AGENDA....
this is simply not true...
my position is not yours...... and the truth is..... that rather than engage me from my standpoint.... you brow beat the issue and make claims on MY intentions....
you never address the point you say you think I make.... you're upset that my position is "moral"...... and because it is so..... I somehow am trying to what? convert AA?
No.....
let me state my intentions for you.......
I truly don't understand how men can view half naked women gyrating sexually before thousands of men.... with the intent to stimulate them sexually and then say "these women are absolutely NOT sending a message of promiscuity"!
Now for the record..... I don't try to put words into people's mouths..... what I DO is COMMUNICATE..... and what that means is when you make a statement.... like every other human being ON THE PLANET.....I make an interpretation of what I heard..... just like you TRY to interpret my statements..... and then afterwards what happens is the person lets you know whether or not that is his/her position.....
But some of you do not do this..... you simply say I have an agenda.... I'm putting words in your mouth..... this is not "force" its an interpretation...
guess what?
I have a right to it.....
By the way I was frustrated when speaking to HB and had had enough of arguing over the issue all day.....
But if anyone knows me here they know that I usually treat EVERYONE with kindness..... and I NEVER attack..... my nerves were spent....
Frenchy and I don't see eye to eye on many issues..... but.... she KNOWS me..... and my persona..... I don't just respect her because her position is my own.... We have respect for one another because we value being respectful..... and its funny, that's all it takes for us to continue dialog......
so she was simply explaining things to others because she knows me..... not defending my position but MY RIGHT TO HAVE ONE.
I've been here for a year.....
I've been countered on my opinions by Nmaginate (harshly), Melesi, Rowe and once I've even ticked off MBM..... and I tick off AudioGuy regularly (smile
)..... but I have never taken any of it personally or felt like I was attacked for simply THINKING differently.....
With you and HB.... I do......
I feell like taking a moral stance is the issue with you..... not the moral value....
and what's interesting is I never really made a moral issue.... you all labeled it that......
I pointed out what I thought was an inconsistency.....
As far as KAI......
He is the new guy here..... but.... I know him..... and he is a very good guy..... he has never disrespected me and has always treated me kindly........ and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board....... but.... I know he is a man first, a poster on a message board last (if that)...... and what he considers a good woman being attacked is a trigger with him..... I am grateful for his defense......
I do expect special treatment.... I expect EVERY WOMAN HERE to expect special treatment.... because its the value system with which I was raised...... and the special treatment is not one where my viewpoints are agreed with..... but simply my consistent kindness given extra consideration....
I understand where I come from is antiquated.... we've been liberated from men treating us with kid gloves..... and I'm sure there are many men that are all too happy to FINALLY be able to slap us around and justify it with the fact that we're just like them and deserve nothing different than what they would give their friends......
But I have always treated everyone here kindly.....
My outburst wasn't even an attack on HB.... but the ridiculousness of his POSITION..... I never attacked him PERSONALLY...... personal attacks started with him..... go back and read the thread..... He took it to a personal level........
But ddouble.... according to you..... I need to fight more often...... sorry.... I'm not going to do it.... I will continue to avoid unnecessary tension when I can..... and when I slip up.... I will try to rein it in as soon as I can.....
That's why I said Okay to your earlier response.....
Because I knew that's all you wanted me to say....
You just wanted to be right.....
But you aren't.....
As far as staying away from the Den.... I prefaced my statement initially in another thread with "I know I said I wouldn't do this but..." apparently I don't have the right to change my mind..... but I've changed it before..... the topic stimulated me enough to want to respond.....
I decided to act on my own will and post rather than make you happy and be consistent.....
But being consistent is not a problem for me.....
I'm tired....
I've never been hurt so on this board....
until now....
I'll stay away.....ddouble....
I won't change my position because you don't like it or think I have an agenda.....
I actually have a right to disagree with you and my position does not mean you are forced to submit...
but to your other point of being consistent and staying out of the DEN your wish is granted....
Peace,
Virtue
not agreeing with you......
my statements always have to have some "veiled" attempt at something.....
nope....
sorry....
you don't know me that well....
my questions are simply that.......
an honest question.......
I jump out of threads to ask questions, because some people, like you for instance, are aggressive with their responses...... and I am not....... so the only way to get a question answered without taking a beating is to preface the statement with I'm leaving......
you don't know me....
but I don't like to argue....
I rarely do.....
it is obvious that the men here are VERY sensitive about seeing women half naked do lap dances and posing provocatively....... apparently if I think that this behavior is untoward.... THEN I HAVE AN AGENDA....
this is simply not true...
my position is not yours...... and the truth is..... that rather than engage me from my standpoint.... you brow beat the issue and make claims on MY intentions....
you never address the point you say you think I make.... you're upset that my position is "moral"...... and because it is so..... I somehow am trying to what? convert AA?
No.....
let me state my intentions for you.......
I truly don't understand how men can view half naked women gyrating sexually before thousands of men.... with the intent to stimulate them sexually and then say "these women are absolutely NOT sending a message of promiscuity"!
Now for the record..... I don't try to put words into people's mouths..... what I DO is COMMUNICATE..... and what that means is when you make a statement.... like every other human being ON THE PLANET.....I make an interpretation of what I heard..... just like you TRY to interpret my statements..... and then afterwards what happens is the person lets you know whether or not that is his/her position.....
But some of you do not do this..... you simply say I have an agenda.... I'm putting words in your mouth..... this is not "force" its an interpretation...
guess what?
I have a right to it.....
By the way I was frustrated when speaking to HB and had had enough of arguing over the issue all day.....
But if anyone knows me here they know that I usually treat EVERYONE with kindness..... and I NEVER attack..... my nerves were spent....
Frenchy and I don't see eye to eye on many issues..... but.... she KNOWS me..... and my persona..... I don't just respect her because her position is my own.... We have respect for one another because we value being respectful..... and its funny, that's all it takes for us to continue dialog......
so she was simply explaining things to others because she knows me..... not defending my position but MY RIGHT TO HAVE ONE.
I've been here for a year.....
I've been countered on my opinions by Nmaginate (harshly), Melesi, Rowe and once I've even ticked off MBM..... and I tick off AudioGuy regularly (smile
)..... but I have never taken any of it personally or felt like I was attacked for simply THINKING differently..... With you and HB.... I do......
I feell like taking a moral stance is the issue with you..... not the moral value....
and what's interesting is I never really made a moral issue.... you all labeled it that......
I pointed out what I thought was an inconsistency.....
As far as KAI......
He is the new guy here..... but.... I know him..... and he is a very good guy..... he has never disrespected me and has always treated me kindly........ and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board....... but.... I know he is a man first, a poster on a message board last (if that)...... and what he considers a good woman being attacked is a trigger with him..... I am grateful for his defense......
I do expect special treatment.... I expect EVERY WOMAN HERE to expect special treatment.... because its the value system with which I was raised...... and the special treatment is not one where my viewpoints are agreed with..... but simply my consistent kindness given extra consideration....
I understand where I come from is antiquated.... we've been liberated from men treating us with kid gloves..... and I'm sure there are many men that are all too happy to FINALLY be able to slap us around and justify it with the fact that we're just like them and deserve nothing different than what they would give their friends......
But I have always treated everyone here kindly.....
My outburst wasn't even an attack on HB.... but the ridiculousness of his POSITION..... I never attacked him PERSONALLY...... personal attacks started with him..... go back and read the thread..... He took it to a personal level........
But ddouble.... according to you..... I need to fight more often...... sorry.... I'm not going to do it.... I will continue to avoid unnecessary tension when I can..... and when I slip up.... I will try to rein it in as soon as I can.....
That's why I said Okay to your earlier response.....
Because I knew that's all you wanted me to say....
You just wanted to be right.....
But you aren't.....
As far as staying away from the Den.... I prefaced my statement initially in another thread with "I know I said I wouldn't do this but..." apparently I don't have the right to change my mind..... but I've changed it before..... the topic stimulated me enough to want to respond.....
I decided to act on my own will and post rather than make you happy and be consistent.....
But being consistent is not a problem for me.....
I'm tired....
I've never been hurt so on this board....
until now....
I'll stay away.....ddouble....
I won't change my position because you don't like it or think I have an agenda.....
I actually have a right to disagree with you and my position does not mean you are forced to submit...
but to your other point of being consistent and staying out of the DEN your wish is granted....
Peace,
Virtue
Here is what INTERPRETATION is NOT: When the person or thing you're interpreting responds and says "No that's not what I meant" and you insist on your "interpretation" anyway, then you're implicitly accusing your source of being (for whatever reason): unreliable, corrupt, or dishonest.
You are in fact "forcing a reading" especially when you're a female making claims about what happens in a man's head. I don't think the statement below (which for me marks the turning point of all this) is an interpretation:
That's not interpretation. What you wrote approaches mockery. Of course you can believe she's loose. It is your right. I'm not debating that. I wasn't denying that you're free to do so. But I'm not obligated to share your perception. My only point was that your perception plays no part in my enjoyment. My "ridiculous position" is once again repeated below.
As for you believing "Kai is a very good guy" you can have him. The mere fact that you don't have a problem with him makes me have a problem with you - you must be seriously deluded and not quite as virtuous as your name would have us believe. As far as I can see, he's an ass, a bully, and a brazen liar when it suits him - and that's not because I disgree with him. That's not just me calling names. That's my honest opinion of him. I don't hold that opinion of any other person on this site. In fact, I don't hold that opinion of anyone else that I know ... I'm an academic... I disagree with plenty of people.... I don't accuse all of them of being liars. That's not a charge I make easily.
You want to be treated like a NOI woman? Then perhaps you should stick to NOI sites...
Anyway, whatever.... You want me off the board? I'm off.. I have a life ... and don't like dealing with fools...
Everyone else, it's been fun!
You are in fact "forcing a reading" especially when you're a female making claims about what happens in a man's head. I don't think the statement below (which for me marks the turning point of all this) is an interpretation:
quote:Originally posted by virtue:"I don't assess the morals of a woman with her azz in my face.... I just enjoy it.... and Virtue.... you are very wrong for pointing out that she is loose..... I don't see her azz as loose.... I see her AZZ.... and enjoy the beauty of it.... YOU, my dear Virtue, have the nerve to JUDGE this lovely piece of AZZ grinding in my face as loose!....."quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
You failed to undertand my point. I was not denying being excited. But, YOU, my dear, are the one looking at the picture making the judgement that the woman is "loose."
Who are you to tell us what goes on or doesn't go on in the mind of a fantasizing man??Especially when I, a man, am telling you something very specific about my experience. Who are you to over-rule my opinion on the matter?
My point was that the idea of the woman being "loose" plays no part in the enjoyment of the pictures. In fact, the idea may ruin that enjoyment.
-My interpretation....
I get it....
so be it....
Peace,
Virtue
That's not interpretation. What you wrote approaches mockery. Of course you can believe she's loose. It is your right. I'm not debating that. I wasn't denying that you're free to do so. But I'm not obligated to share your perception. My only point was that your perception plays no part in my enjoyment. My "ridiculous position" is once again repeated below.
As for you believing "Kai is a very good guy" you can have him. The mere fact that you don't have a problem with him makes me have a problem with you - you must be seriously deluded and not quite as virtuous as your name would have us believe. As far as I can see, he's an ass, a bully, and a brazen liar when it suits him - and that's not because I disgree with him. That's not just me calling names. That's my honest opinion of him. I don't hold that opinion of any other person on this site. In fact, I don't hold that opinion of anyone else that I know ... I'm an academic... I disagree with plenty of people.... I don't accuse all of them of being liars. That's not a charge I make easily.
You want to be treated like a NOI woman? Then perhaps you should stick to NOI sites...
Anyway, whatever.... You want me off the board? I'm off.. I have a life ... and don't like dealing with fools...
Everyone else, it's been fun!
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board.......
Okay...
ONCE again, here's my ridiculous position. The statement only pertains to the perceptions of a man viewing photos of a suggestively posed woman.
quote:Originally posted by HonestBrother:
But my point was that
1) The model is not herself necessarily promiscuous just because she's posing.
2) The mere fact that she is posing suggestively does NOT necessarily send the message that she is promiscuous.
3) The person enjoying the photographs is not necessarily perceiving the model as promiscuous nor deriving pleasure from the thought that the model may be promiscuous.
AGAIN: YOU'RE "DEBATING" A PHOTOGRAPHER
ALL I'm saying, folks, is that it depends: On the model, the pose, the viewer...
There are many variables in this situation. And not everyone responds the same way.
What's so damned controversial about this statement??
How arrogant do you have to be to debate a photographer on the aesthetics of viewing photographs and then refuse to actually hear what he has to say?
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
Ddouble .... you attack me often...... for the same reason.....
not agreeing with you......
my statements always have to have some "veiled" attempt at something.....
nope....
sorry....
you don't know me that well....
my questions are simply that.......
an honest question.......
I jump out of threads to ask questions, because some people, like you for instance, are aggressive with their responses...... and I am not....... so the only way to get a question answered without taking a beating is to preface the statement with I'm leaving......
you don't know me....
but I don't like to argue....
I rarely do.....
it is obvious that the men here are VERY sensitive about seeing women half naked do lap dances and posing provocatively....... apparently if I think that this behavior is untoward.... THEN I HAVE AN AGENDA....
this is simply not true...
my position is not yours...... and the truth is..... that rather than engage me from my standpoint.... you brow beat the issue and make claims on MY intentions....
you never address the point you say you think I make.... you're upset that my position is "moral"...... and because it is so..... I somehow am trying to what? convert AA?
No.....
let me state my intentions for you.......
I truly don't understand how men can view half naked women gyrating sexually before thousands of men.... with the intent to stimulate them sexually and then say "these women are absolutely NOT sending a message of promiscuity"!
Now for the record..... I don't try to put words into people's mouths..... what I DO is COMMUNICATE..... and what that means is when you make a statement.... like every other human being ON THE PLANET.....I make an interpretation of what I heard..... just like you TRY to interpret my statements..... and then afterwards what happens is the person lets you know whether or not that is his/her position.....
But some of you do not do this..... you simply say I have an agenda.... I'm putting words in your mouth..... this is not "force" its an interpretation...
guess what?
I have a right to it.....
By the way I was frustrated when speaking to HB and had had enough of arguing over the issue all day.....
But if anyone knows me here they know that I usually treat EVERYONE with kindness..... and I NEVER attack..... my nerves were spent....
Frenchy and I don't see eye to eye on many issues..... but.... she KNOWS me..... and my persona..... I don't just respect her because her position is my own.... We have respect for one another because we value being respectful..... and its funny, that's all it takes for us to continue dialog......
so she was simply explaining things to others because she knows me..... not defending my position but MY RIGHT TO HAVE ONE.
I've been here for a year.....
I've been countered on my opinions by Nmaginate (harshly), Melesi, Rowe and once I've even ticked off MBM..... and I tick off AudioGuy regularly (smile
With you and HB.... I do......
I feell like taking a moral stance is the issue with you..... not the moral value....
and what's interesting is I never really made a moral issue.... you all labeled it that......
I pointed out what I thought was an inconsistency.....
As far as KAI......
He is the new guy here..... but.... I know him..... and he is a very good guy..... he has never disrespected me and has always treated me kindly........ and in truth has never attacked anyone else on this board....... but.... I know he is a man first, a poster on a message board last (if that)...... and what he considers a good woman being attacked is a trigger with him..... I am grateful for his defense......
I do expect special treatment.... I expect EVERY WOMAN HERE to expect special treatment.... because its the value system with which I was raised...... and the special treatment is not one where my viewpoints are agreed with..... but simply my consistent kindness given extra consideration....
I understand where I come from is antiquated.... we've been liberated from men treating us with kid gloves..... and I'm sure there are many men that are all too happy to FINALLY be able to slap us around and justify it with the fact that we're just like them and deserve nothing different than what they would give their friends......
But I have always treated everyone here kindly.....
My outburst wasn't even an attack on HB.... but the ridiculousness of his POSITION..... I never attacked him PERSONALLY...... personal attacks started with him..... go back and read the thread..... He took it to a personal level........
But ddouble.... according to you..... I need to fight more often...... sorry.... I'm not going to do it.... I will continue to avoid unnecessary tension when I can..... and when I slip up.... I will try to rein it in as soon as I can.....
That's why I said Okay to your earlier response.....
Because I knew that's all you wanted me to say....
You just wanted to be right.....
But you aren't.....
As far as staying away from the Den.... I prefaced my statement initially in another thread with "I know I said I wouldn't do this but..." apparently I don't have the right to change my mind..... but I've changed it before..... the topic stimulated me enough to want to respond.....
I decided to act on my own will and post rather than make you happy and be consistent.....
But being consistent is not a problem for me.....
I'm tired....
I've never been hurt so on this board....
until now....
I'll stay away.....ddouble....
I won't change my position because you don't like it or think I have an agenda.....
I actually have a right to disagree with you and my position does not mean you are forced to submit...
but to your other point of being consistent and staying out of the DEN your wish is granted....
Peace,
Virtue
Wow! Don't know where to start. I always try to be direct in my dealings with anyone. If that is perceived as aggressive, I make no apologies for that. In fact, I think I go easy on people compared to other posters here - I usually try to remove deliberate venom from my posts. If you say you are not mincing words, OK. I won't accuse you of that again. But when a poster with an opposing viewpoint tells you what they mean, accept that as well.
I do think you attempt to use your gender as an unfair advantage. If you want special treatment, you have to give it as well. I'm sure your value system teaches you not to address men in the manner you have - but you've had no problem disregarding that. My responses to you changed when you no longer respected an opposing opinion without questioning a person's decency & morals.
In short, if you can't take it, don't dish it out...
This has never been about being right, that's the whole point. Right & what is moral is relative. Each person has their personal view of what's acceptable. I champion your right to present your vision of morality, but multiple posters (male & female) have told you that your issue is not as important to them. Not seeking the mass approval you were looking for (IMO), you started to lash out, again questioning people's decency. When I grow tired of your moral grandstanding (and arguing with you about it), you know what I will do? I won't moan & complain (or stomp out of a forum, vowing never to return again only to violate my word a day later; keeping your word is a virtue also!), hoping to have your threads & viewpoint tailored to suit my preference. I'll just avoid responding to your posts & stay out of any personally offensive threads you start. I won't make a public demonstration of it either. In fact, it will occur so quietly, you may not even notice my absence.
Kai is a big boy - I bear no malice toward him, but his hands are not clean either. For two people that profess to be enlightened & on the moral high ground, the two of you have spent a lot of time lately engaging in behavior very inconsistent to that tract.
If you stop frequenting this forum, don't try to pin that decision on me. I have the right to defend a position and any character attacks that may be launched against me. I respect your position & you don't have to submit - All I've asked you to do is respect mine & acknowledge that I don't have to submit either.
Be consistent before you question my consistency...
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY AND A CULTURE THAT IS OVERLY VIOLENT AND SEXUAL. BOTH MEN AND WOMEN LOVE PROMISCUITY.
Peace...
"Promiscuous women should be praised
Randy Woock
There is a plethora of pejorative words used to derogatorily refer to
a sexually uninhibited woman. Why are there so many negative
synonyms for a woman whose sexual mores aren't in line with the
Judeo-Christian ideal? Why do we only use pejorative terms to
describe a woman who isn't a fervent practitioner of monogamy?
Why no complimentary terms?
I propose we stop reviling the sexually promiscuous woman and
venerate her instead. Why? Well, because promiscuous women
make the world a happier place, that's why.
Tell me who brings more joy to more people: a girl in a
monogamous relationship who would never dream of sleeping with
someone that she didn't "love" or a woman who hops in bed with
any person she finds sexually stimulating?
The latter, of course. So "mad props" to all you women out there
secure enough in yourselves that you don't need to bother with
the "sex for security" trade-off so evident in most relationships.
It's understandable why lots of more sexually repressed women
may dislike their more promiscuous sisters. I mean, talk about
having one hell of an advantage in a popularity contest. While sex
may not be the only thing on a guy's mind, it does go a long way
towards making us more kindly disposed toward someone.
And speaking of guys, it's time we males stopped being so
sickeningly hypocritical about the whole "slut" issue. Any and all
male revulsion towards promiscuous women comes from nothing
more than a pathetic attack of religious sexual guilt.
This guilt is coming from our success in fulfilling our "basic
biological imperative" (a.k.a. fornication) with a willing and eager
associate (this going against typical religious tradition, which
forbids sexual knowledge of a woman before she's made your
property -- oops, I mean partner -- in marriage).
Having failed to be the perfect sexual robot as decreed by the laws
of the tribe, the male transfers the guilt he feels into anger towards
the woman gracious enough to copulate with him. "She's just a
slut," a man will say of a woman after he's enjoyed her company
for precisely that reason.
The sexual double standard of male versus female promiscuity is
too bloody apparent to even bother dealing with. We'll just
acknowledge its existence with a sad shake of the head and
continue on our way.
So let's cut the crap, people, and stop reviling those who don't
suffer from the same sexual hang-ups as the rest of us. Folks who
repress their sexuality in the confining container of monogamy like
to consider themselves "good," while regarding those not so stifled
by the abuse that annotates our society's sexual programming as
"immoral." They do this in the same manner as the slaves who were
too cowardly to revolt with Spartacus thought of themselves as
"moral" while damning those struggling for their freedom as being bad"
What is this world coming to?
Kai
"Promiscuous women should be praised
Randy Woock
There is a plethora of pejorative words used to derogatorily refer to
a sexually uninhibited woman. Why are there so many negative
synonyms for a woman whose sexual mores aren't in line with the
Judeo-Christian ideal? Why do we only use pejorative terms to
describe a woman who isn't a fervent practitioner of monogamy?
Why no complimentary terms?
I propose we stop reviling the sexually promiscuous woman and
venerate her instead. Why? Well, because promiscuous women
make the world a happier place, that's why.
Tell me who brings more joy to more people: a girl in a
monogamous relationship who would never dream of sleeping with
someone that she didn't "love" or a woman who hops in bed with
any person she finds sexually stimulating?
The latter, of course. So "mad props" to all you women out there
secure enough in yourselves that you don't need to bother with
the "sex for security" trade-off so evident in most relationships.
It's understandable why lots of more sexually repressed women
may dislike their more promiscuous sisters. I mean, talk about
having one hell of an advantage in a popularity contest. While sex
may not be the only thing on a guy's mind, it does go a long way
towards making us more kindly disposed toward someone.
And speaking of guys, it's time we males stopped being so
sickeningly hypocritical about the whole "slut" issue. Any and all
male revulsion towards promiscuous women comes from nothing
more than a pathetic attack of religious sexual guilt.
This guilt is coming from our success in fulfilling our "basic
biological imperative" (a.k.a. fornication) with a willing and eager
associate (this going against typical religious tradition, which
forbids sexual knowledge of a woman before she's made your
property -- oops, I mean partner -- in marriage).
Having failed to be the perfect sexual robot as decreed by the laws
of the tribe, the male transfers the guilt he feels into anger towards
the woman gracious enough to copulate with him. "She's just a
slut," a man will say of a woman after he's enjoyed her company
for precisely that reason.
The sexual double standard of male versus female promiscuity is
too bloody apparent to even bother dealing with. We'll just
acknowledge its existence with a sad shake of the head and
continue on our way.
So let's cut the crap, people, and stop reviling those who don't
suffer from the same sexual hang-ups as the rest of us. Folks who
repress their sexuality in the confining container of monogamy like
to consider themselves "good," while regarding those not so stifled
by the abuse that annotates our society's sexual programming as
"immoral." They do this in the same manner as the slaves who were
too cowardly to revolt with Spartacus thought of themselves as
"moral" while damning those struggling for their freedom as being bad"
What is this world coming to?
Kai
quote:Originally posted by thayfen:
No need for the popcorn now - it's time to light this baby on fire and let it float out to sea.
I'll call it: Time of death--March 22, 2006 08:43 PM