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Peace...

Men love dating, knowing, talking to, spending time with, and even purchasing things for women who are liberal with sex. Men appreciate the hell out a woman who is just as willing as he is to have sex. the bigger her appetite, the better.

Truth is, most men today don't even have a problem with the fact that while a woman is not with him, she is in bed with someone else.

This kind of woman is good to know...When asked what the nature of the relationship is...the man smirks, and says "She is just a good friend"...His friends know what that means, and so they start begging for her telephone number. They want to be her friend too.

Will a man knowingly marry a "Freak"? Hell Naw...Why??

Well the truth is that a man cannot stomach the thought of his woman in the bed of scores of other men. Even while he would date this kind of woman, he does not like the idea that this woman will carry, and raise his seed.

men aren't necessarily looking for a pristine woman..he understands that most women have some sexual experience by the time they reach adulthood, however, he just doesn't want the woman who was willing, and ready to have sex at the drop of a dime simply for the sake of pleasure.

Some men will lie and deny this. But...it is the truth. I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife.

Now there is a silver lining to this. there is a way for a woman to redeem herself in the eyes of a potential husband. She must be able to demonstrate plainly that she rejects this kind of lifestyle, that she regrets living like that, and that she wants to be a better woman....

Are there men ready to admit this?



Kai
________________________ By the sun and his brightness! And the moon when she borrows light from him! And the day when it exposes it to view! And the night when it draws a veil over it! And the heaven and its make! And the earth and its extension! And the soul and its perfection!-Surah 91 Holy Qur'an
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Are you really asking a question or are you making a statement? You've already discounted any potential dissenting opinions as "lying and denying" so what's the point of presenting this as a question?

Have you polled enough men to know that:
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Men love dating, knowing, talking to, spending time with, and even purchasing things for women who are liberal with sex. Men appreciate the hell out a woman who is just as willing as he is to have sex. the bigger her appetite, the better.

Truth is, most men today don't even have a problem with the fact that while a woman is not with him, she is in bed with someone else.

This kind of woman is good to know...When asked what the nature of the relationship is...the man smirks, and says "She is just a good friend"...His friends know what that means, and so they start begging for her telephone number. They want to be her friend too.


is an accurate characterization of all (or even most) men?

Additionally, where is your data to validate these conclusions:
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Will a man knowingly marry a "Freak"? Hell Naw...Why??

Well the truth is that a man cannot stomach the thought of his woman in the bed of scores of other men. Even while he would date this kind of woman, he does not like the idea that this woman will carry, and raise his seed.
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I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife.



IMO, people should view sexuality from a pragmatic, or a functional/moralistic standpoint.

If it's pragmatic, everyone should acknowledge that sex is used for pleasure & procreation. Be honest & responsible in your sexual decisions and drop the value judgements. If your view is functional, any sex outside of procreation is unnecessary. This makes man & woman "freaks". How is "spilling seed" in the context of marriage any different than pre-marital sex?

You present this topic with the notion that a sexually liberated woman is always loose & immoral. You also appear to suggest that a high female libido is wrong in some way. I think that when a person is ready for marriage, they are no longer interested in people who are not of like mind. If a women is seriously preparing for marriage with a man, why would she be out dating others? You're setting up an enigmatic scenario.
Not true,

There are men including myself who would marry a women who you have characterized as a "freak". Number one you can change a person, if they are willing to take a new perspective on life. Number two, even if you could not successfully change a person, there are understandings that can be reached.

There are married couples, who seperately *become the "freaks" you characterize. Furthermore, some of these very same individuals stay married for one reason or another, namely their children, aside from all else they share, including sex.
Peace....


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Are you really asking a question or are you making a statement? You've already discounted any potential dissenting opinions as "lying and denying" so what's the point of presenting this as a question?



Actually I was doing both. I made a statement, and I asked a question.

I never said that every man likes a promiscuous woman.

There is always the rule, and the exception to the rule. I would say that men who date specifically for the purpose of finding a wife are the exception.

My request for an admission was directed at men who date women hoping for a sexual encounter. Men who will only date women that they would marry have no standing as it relates to this issue.

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Have you polled enough men to know that:


Yes I have

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Additionally, where is your data to validate these conclusions:


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Will a man knowingly marry a "Freak"? Hell Naw...Why??Well the truth is that a man cannot stomach the thought of his woman in the bed of scores of other men. Even while he would date this kind of woman, he does not like the idea that this woman will carry, and raise his seed. I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife.


My data was compiled from interviews onducted with men that I have encountered for several years. Did I conduct a formal study? No...

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If it's pragmatic, everyone should acknowledge that sex is used for pleasure & procreation. Be honest & responsible in your sexual decisions and drop the value judgements. If your view is functional, any sex outside of procreation is unnecessary. This makes man & woman "freaks". How is "spilling seed" in the context of marriage any different than pre-marital sex?


Very well. Ddouble are you saying that you would be willing to marry a woman who has enjoyed hundreds of sexual partners before she fell in love with you? Let us go as far as saying that you were certain that she had no STD...Would her sexual past be irrelevant? What if you knew quite a few of the men she was intimate with? What if she was involved in an orgy with the entire football team at your college?

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You present this topic with the notion that a sexually liberated woman is always loose & immoral. You also appear to suggest that a high female libido is wrong in some way.


I have made no such suggestion. i have made no judgment relating to morality on this thread.

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I think that when a person is ready for marriage, they are no longer interested in people who are not of like mind.


There are many woman who would like to be married, but while they are still single they enjoy a promiscuous lifestyle.

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If a women is seriously preparing for marriage with a man, why would she be out dating others?


because she enjoys the cmpany of the opposite sex, and she is lonely.

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You're setting up an enigmatic scenario.



This scenario is the everyday life of many black men in America.



Kai
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
I don't like being involved with promiscuous women.... As I am not myself promiscuous. I do not become involved with women who I would never consider marrying. Maybe I'm weird that way. But that is the way I am.


Well, HB, if you are weird, them I am right there with you....I don't like promiscuous women as I am not promiscuous....way too much drama involved.
It sounds like you're saying men should make their marriage decisions based on what other people think. I disagree. If I love a woman who is committed to a monogamous relationship with me, disease free & honest enough to inform of her past, why should I care what past lovers and other people outside of our relationship think? If I've decided that I'm OK with it, that's all that matters.

I must be leading a blessed (or sheltered) life because I can't relate to your everyday scenario.
Peace....

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It sounds like you're saying men should make their marriage decisions based on what other people think. I disagree. If I love a woman who is committed to a monogamous relationship with me, disease free & honest enough to inform of her past, why should I care what past lovers and other people outside of our relationship think? If I've decided that I'm OK with it, that's all that matters.

I must be leading a blessed (or sheltered) life because I can't relate to your everyday scenario.



I think this is noble of you. However, what if this woman only ceased to live like this because she loves you? What will happen to the relationship once the two of you face a serious conflict? Would you trust her to take time away from you? Just asking....But..wouldn't you start wondering about what she might be doing?



Kai
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Originally posted by virtue:
Question.....

Then I'm jumping off this thread....


Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?


Just curious....

That's all...


Peace,
Virtue


You are too funny! Don't throw a jab & run - stick around.

Please explain your correlation between the picture threads in the Den and promiscuous women. Also, since you're here, please explain why your question is directed only toward men who don't like promiscuous women. Do you believe there are men at AA.org that like loose women? How can you tell who's who? I'm just trying to figure out why you make such a clear distinction in your question? I don't want to be accused of putting any words in your mouth - please make your statements (whatever they are) & make them plain.
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Originally posted by Kai:
Peace....

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It sounds like you're saying men should make their marriage decisions based on what other people think. I disagree. If I love a woman who is committed to a monogamous relationship with me, disease free & honest enough to inform of her past, why should I care what past lovers and other people outside of our relationship think? If I've decided that I'm OK with it, that's all that matters.

I must be leading a blessed (or sheltered) life because I can't relate to your everyday scenario.



I think this is noble of you. However, what if this woman only ceased to live like this because she loves you? What will happen to the relationship once the two of you face a serious conflict? Would you trust her to take time away from you? Just asking....But..wouldn't you start wondering about what she might be doing?



Kai


If the trust, communication & fidelity in our relationship is that shallow, then neither of us were really ready for the covenant of marriage in the first place.
Peace...


Bruh...almost every marraige suffers serious trials...To separate for a time would be normal especially in the beginning of the relationship. Trust is based upon something. If trust is built upon love for one another, and not a love of self, then as soon as one of you doubts the other's love, the trust will fail.


If a woman willfully allows many different men to enter her, then I believe that she is lacking self esteem, and self love. Once her feelings for you come into question, what is to stop her from returning to her former life? especially since there will be plenty of men in constant pursuit of her.



Kai
Before we go further Kai, please understand that if you truly want a dialogue you have to be open to one. You keep presenting personal philosophies as universal truths.

All couples do not resolve conflict in the manner you describe, nor do all people make decisions for the reasons you state. You keep setting up strawmans to make your point. Every time you do that, you might as well be talking to yourself. It's tough to engage you when you attempt to shut down any opposing viewpoint before you finish asking your question. Work with me brother...
Peace...

I am open to a discussion, and I do not intend to offer my opinions as Universal truths. some things are pretty typical of marraige. Conflict is typical of any relationship, marraige especially.

Trust is based on something. This is a truth. You must have a reason to trust someone. Most people would readily agree that trust is something you build. Anytime you build a thing you build it upon something which upholds it. If love is the foundation of trust, then the trust will stand so long as the love stands. If something shakes your love, it will disturb your trust. When you trust a person because of who they have crafted themselves to be independent of their love, then even if they are not with you, you will trust that they will be the same trustworthy person they have always been.

Ddouble, I say this to you, and to everyone one this board, I am not unreasonable. I will respect a dialogue so long as I feel like I am being respected. I understand that you all are a family, and that I am a stranger...Fine. I would hope that this forum is receptive to new members who have their own way of thinking which may or may not agree with the consensus here. I am sure that while I am here I will learn much...Perhaps if everyone on this board is open to the same we all can benefit.



Kai
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Originally posted by Kai:
Truth is, most men today don't even have a problem with the fact that while a woman is not with him, she is in bed with someone else.
I think that men may say this, but in reality I don't believe this is true...

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...His friends know what that means, and so they start begging for her telephone number. They want to be her friend too.
Screw the same girl as my boy while he is too?? I don't think so...


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...he just doesn't want the woman who was willing, and ready to have sex at the drop of a dime simply for the sake of pleasure.
Yes he does - as long as it's with him... he just doesn't want her to be that free with others...

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...I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife."
Which is exactly why most women will lie about their past regardless of how many partners she as had...
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Originally posted by virtue:
Question.....

Then I'm jumping off this thread....


Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?


Just curious....

That's all...


Peace,
Virtue


Hey Virtue,
don't jump ship...we don't bite, maybe nibble but definitely no biting. Anyway, the pics of half-naked women on this section is just eye-candy...no more! Besides, the ladies posted a few eye-candies for Sandye with no complaints from most of the guys! As you may know, guys tend to be visual but after seeing and reading the comments on Sandye's eye-candy section, I have to say that the neurology textbooks might need a little revision.

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