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Peace...

Men love dating, knowing, talking to, spending time with, and even purchasing things for women who are liberal with sex. Men appreciate the hell out a woman who is just as willing as he is to have sex. the bigger her appetite, the better.

Truth is, most men today don't even have a problem with the fact that while a woman is not with him, she is in bed with someone else.

This kind of woman is good to know...When asked what the nature of the relationship is...the man smirks, and says "She is just a good friend"...His friends know what that means, and so they start begging for her telephone number. They want to be her friend too.

Will a man knowingly marry a "Freak"? Hell Naw...Why??

Well the truth is that a man cannot stomach the thought of his woman in the bed of scores of other men. Even while he would date this kind of woman, he does not like the idea that this woman will carry, and raise his seed.

men aren't necessarily looking for a pristine woman..he understands that most women have some sexual experience by the time they reach adulthood, however, he just doesn't want the woman who was willing, and ready to have sex at the drop of a dime simply for the sake of pleasure.

Some men will lie and deny this. But...it is the truth. I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife.

Now there is a silver lining to this. there is a way for a woman to redeem herself in the eyes of a potential husband. She must be able to demonstrate plainly that she rejects this kind of lifestyle, that she regrets living like that, and that she wants to be a better woman....

Are there men ready to admit this?



Kai
________________________ By the sun and his brightness! And the moon when she borrows light from him! And the day when it exposes it to view! And the night when it draws a veil over it! And the heaven and its make! And the earth and its extension! And the soul and its perfection!-Surah 91 Holy Qur'an
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Are you really asking a question or are you making a statement? You've already discounted any potential dissenting opinions as "lying and denying" so what's the point of presenting this as a question?

Have you polled enough men to know that:
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Men love dating, knowing, talking to, spending time with, and even purchasing things for women who are liberal with sex. Men appreciate the hell out a woman who is just as willing as he is to have sex. the bigger her appetite, the better.

Truth is, most men today don't even have a problem with the fact that while a woman is not with him, she is in bed with someone else.

This kind of woman is good to know...When asked what the nature of the relationship is...the man smirks, and says "She is just a good friend"...His friends know what that means, and so they start begging for her telephone number. They want to be her friend too.


is an accurate characterization of all (or even most) men?

Additionally, where is your data to validate these conclusions:
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Will a man knowingly marry a "Freak"? Hell Naw...Why??

Well the truth is that a man cannot stomach the thought of his woman in the bed of scores of other men. Even while he would date this kind of woman, he does not like the idea that this woman will carry, and raise his seed.
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I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife.



IMO, people should view sexuality from a pragmatic, or a functional/moralistic standpoint.

If it's pragmatic, everyone should acknowledge that sex is used for pleasure & procreation. Be honest & responsible in your sexual decisions and drop the value judgements. If your view is functional, any sex outside of procreation is unnecessary. This makes man & woman "freaks". How is "spilling seed" in the context of marriage any different than pre-marital sex?

You present this topic with the notion that a sexually liberated woman is always loose & immoral. You also appear to suggest that a high female libido is wrong in some way. I think that when a person is ready for marriage, they are no longer interested in people who are not of like mind. If a women is seriously preparing for marriage with a man, why would she be out dating others? You're setting up an enigmatic scenario.
Not true,

There are men including myself who would marry a women who you have characterized as a "freak". Number one you can change a person, if they are willing to take a new perspective on life. Number two, even if you could not successfully change a person, there are understandings that can be reached.

There are married couples, who seperately *become the "freaks" you characterize. Furthermore, some of these very same individuals stay married for one reason or another, namely their children, aside from all else they share, including sex.
Peace....


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Are you really asking a question or are you making a statement? You've already discounted any potential dissenting opinions as "lying and denying" so what's the point of presenting this as a question?



Actually I was doing both. I made a statement, and I asked a question.

I never said that every man likes a promiscuous woman.

There is always the rule, and the exception to the rule. I would say that men who date specifically for the purpose of finding a wife are the exception.

My request for an admission was directed at men who date women hoping for a sexual encounter. Men who will only date women that they would marry have no standing as it relates to this issue.

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Have you polled enough men to know that:


Yes I have

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Additionally, where is your data to validate these conclusions:


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Will a man knowingly marry a "Freak"? Hell Naw...Why??Well the truth is that a man cannot stomach the thought of his woman in the bed of scores of other men. Even while he would date this kind of woman, he does not like the idea that this woman will carry, and raise his seed. I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife.


My data was compiled from interviews onducted with men that I have encountered for several years. Did I conduct a formal study? No...

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If it's pragmatic, everyone should acknowledge that sex is used for pleasure & procreation. Be honest & responsible in your sexual decisions and drop the value judgements. If your view is functional, any sex outside of procreation is unnecessary. This makes man & woman "freaks". How is "spilling seed" in the context of marriage any different than pre-marital sex?


Very well. Ddouble are you saying that you would be willing to marry a woman who has enjoyed hundreds of sexual partners before she fell in love with you? Let us go as far as saying that you were certain that she had no STD...Would her sexual past be irrelevant? What if you knew quite a few of the men she was intimate with? What if she was involved in an orgy with the entire football team at your college?

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You present this topic with the notion that a sexually liberated woman is always loose & immoral. You also appear to suggest that a high female libido is wrong in some way.


I have made no such suggestion. i have made no judgment relating to morality on this thread.

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I think that when a person is ready for marriage, they are no longer interested in people who are not of like mind.


There are many woman who would like to be married, but while they are still single they enjoy a promiscuous lifestyle.

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If a women is seriously preparing for marriage with a man, why would she be out dating others?


because she enjoys the cmpany of the opposite sex, and she is lonely.

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You're setting up an enigmatic scenario.



This scenario is the everyday life of many black men in America.



Kai
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
I don't like being involved with promiscuous women.... As I am not myself promiscuous. I do not become involved with women who I would never consider marrying. Maybe I'm weird that way. But that is the way I am.


Well, HB, if you are weird, them I am right there with you....I don't like promiscuous women as I am not promiscuous....way too much drama involved.
It sounds like you're saying men should make their marriage decisions based on what other people think. I disagree. If I love a woman who is committed to a monogamous relationship with me, disease free & honest enough to inform of her past, why should I care what past lovers and other people outside of our relationship think? If I've decided that I'm OK with it, that's all that matters.

I must be leading a blessed (or sheltered) life because I can't relate to your everyday scenario.
Peace....

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It sounds like you're saying men should make their marriage decisions based on what other people think. I disagree. If I love a woman who is committed to a monogamous relationship with me, disease free & honest enough to inform of her past, why should I care what past lovers and other people outside of our relationship think? If I've decided that I'm OK with it, that's all that matters.

I must be leading a blessed (or sheltered) life because I can't relate to your everyday scenario.



I think this is noble of you. However, what if this woman only ceased to live like this because she loves you? What will happen to the relationship once the two of you face a serious conflict? Would you trust her to take time away from you? Just asking....But..wouldn't you start wondering about what she might be doing?



Kai
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Originally posted by virtue:
Question.....

Then I'm jumping off this thread....


Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?


Just curious....

That's all...


Peace,
Virtue


You are too funny! Don't throw a jab & run - stick around.

Please explain your correlation between the picture threads in the Den and promiscuous women. Also, since you're here, please explain why your question is directed only toward men who don't like promiscuous women. Do you believe there are men at AA.org that like loose women? How can you tell who's who? I'm just trying to figure out why you make such a clear distinction in your question? I don't want to be accused of putting any words in your mouth - please make your statements (whatever they are) & make them plain.
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Peace....

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It sounds like you're saying men should make their marriage decisions based on what other people think. I disagree. If I love a woman who is committed to a monogamous relationship with me, disease free & honest enough to inform of her past, why should I care what past lovers and other people outside of our relationship think? If I've decided that I'm OK with it, that's all that matters.

I must be leading a blessed (or sheltered) life because I can't relate to your everyday scenario.



I think this is noble of you. However, what if this woman only ceased to live like this because she loves you? What will happen to the relationship once the two of you face a serious conflict? Would you trust her to take time away from you? Just asking....But..wouldn't you start wondering about what she might be doing?



Kai


If the trust, communication & fidelity in our relationship is that shallow, then neither of us were really ready for the covenant of marriage in the first place.
Peace...


Bruh...almost every marraige suffers serious trials...To separate for a time would be normal especially in the beginning of the relationship. Trust is based upon something. If trust is built upon love for one another, and not a love of self, then as soon as one of you doubts the other's love, the trust will fail.


If a woman willfully allows many different men to enter her, then I believe that she is lacking self esteem, and self love. Once her feelings for you come into question, what is to stop her from returning to her former life? especially since there will be plenty of men in constant pursuit of her.



Kai
Before we go further Kai, please understand that if you truly want a dialogue you have to be open to one. You keep presenting personal philosophies as universal truths.

All couples do not resolve conflict in the manner you describe, nor do all people make decisions for the reasons you state. You keep setting up strawmans to make your point. Every time you do that, you might as well be talking to yourself. It's tough to engage you when you attempt to shut down any opposing viewpoint before you finish asking your question. Work with me brother...
Peace...

I am open to a discussion, and I do not intend to offer my opinions as Universal truths. some things are pretty typical of marraige. Conflict is typical of any relationship, marraige especially.

Trust is based on something. This is a truth. You must have a reason to trust someone. Most people would readily agree that trust is something you build. Anytime you build a thing you build it upon something which upholds it. If love is the foundation of trust, then the trust will stand so long as the love stands. If something shakes your love, it will disturb your trust. When you trust a person because of who they have crafted themselves to be independent of their love, then even if they are not with you, you will trust that they will be the same trustworthy person they have always been.

Ddouble, I say this to you, and to everyone one this board, I am not unreasonable. I will respect a dialogue so long as I feel like I am being respected. I understand that you all are a family, and that I am a stranger...Fine. I would hope that this forum is receptive to new members who have their own way of thinking which may or may not agree with the consensus here. I am sure that while I am here I will learn much...Perhaps if everyone on this board is open to the same we all can benefit.



Kai
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Originally posted by Kai:
Truth is, most men today don't even have a problem with the fact that while a woman is not with him, she is in bed with someone else.
I think that men may say this, but in reality I don't believe this is true...

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...His friends know what that means, and so they start begging for her telephone number. They want to be her friend too.
Screw the same girl as my boy while he is too?? I don't think so...


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...he just doesn't want the woman who was willing, and ready to have sex at the drop of a dime simply for the sake of pleasure.
Yes he does - as long as it's with him... he just doesn't want her to be that free with others...

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...I don't care how beautful a woman is..if a man learns that she is a former Freak...He will not want her as a wife."
Which is exactly why most women will lie about their past regardless of how many partners she as had...
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Originally posted by virtue:
Question.....

Then I'm jumping off this thread....


Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?


Just curious....

That's all...


Peace,
Virtue


Hey Virtue,
don't jump ship...we don't bite, maybe nibble but definitely no biting. Anyway, the pics of half-naked women on this section is just eye-candy...no more! Besides, the ladies posted a few eye-candies for Sandye with no complaints from most of the guys! As you may know, guys tend to be visual but after seeing and reading the comments on Sandye's eye-candy section, I have to say that the neurology textbooks might need a little revision.
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Originally posted by virtue:



Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?



There's a (HUGE) difference between (anonymously) looking at a picture and (physically) sharing your body with another person.
The desirous idea behind these actions is the same......

lust....

Peace,
Virtue
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Originally posted by virtue:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by virtue:



Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?



There's a (HUGE) difference between (anonymously) looking at a picture and (physically) sharing your body with another person.
The desirous idea behind these actions is the same......

lust....

But, there is a difference between experiencing the idea of lust, and acting on it.
Your point?

This is obvious..... I wasn't focusing on the obvious.... or the reason many men like to point out.... "I didn't do anything"....

I was investigating the idea that whether or not a man "acts" on his desires..... The desire is the same..... He lusts after women that are viewed as promiscuous or is promiscuous....

There are no threads full of brilliant women, modestly dressed women or women of good morals..... titillating and exciting the men here.....this is not of interest to the men here..... the interest is the woman who is open with her sexuality.... enough to be photographed in motion simulating acts gratifying to the men...

Peace,
Virtue
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Originally posted by virtue:

There are no threads full of brilliant women, modestly dressed women or women of good morals..... titillating and exciting the men here.....this is not of interest to the men here..... the interest is the woman who is open with her sexuality.... enough to be photographed in motion simulating acts gratifying to the men...

I strongly disagree. This board is full of brilliant women with good morals (who may or may not dress modestly) that are titillating and exciting to the men here. You're extrapolating that the feeling of lust (which is often a passing, momentary feeling) is somehow equal to any sort of genuine interest. However, they are not in any way equal.

As proof of this, you need only compare the compliments made by the men in Radio Raheem's picture threads, to the compliments made by the men to the women on this board. Those whose insight, sincerity, and intelligence, have earned them such praise.
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Originally posted by virtue:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by virtue:



Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?



There's a (HUGE) difference between (anonymously) looking at a picture and (physically) sharing your body with another person.
The desirous idea behind these actions is the same......

lust....

Peace,
Virtue


The idea/emotion behind imagining that you killed someone and actually killing someone can be the same too... But the acts are very different.

In a fantasy, you haven't committed yourself...You simply entertain the possibility... And you can also imagine away (or simply ignore) the harsher aspects of the reality. For example, I can imagine that the woman is not actually sharing herself with the world in her picture but that it is meant for my eyes only. And If I fantasize about Sanaa Lathan, though she is a complete stranger to me, I can imagine she is my wife. Whereas in an actual encounter with her it would probably become evident very quickly that we are complete strangers and have no real intimacy.

Lastly, when we look at the pics, we're not thinking "Oh Geez, here's a loose woman... I'm soooooo excited." but rather "Here's a beautiful woman who is sexually powerful." The idea that she may be "loose" doesn't even come into play... In fact, the idea that she may be loose is arguably in its own distinct category of fantasy.
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Originally posted by virtue:

There are no threads full of brilliant women, modestly dressed women or women of good morals..... titillating and exciting the men here.....this is not of interest to the men here..... the interest is the woman who is open with her sexuality.... enough to be photographed in motion simulating acts gratifying to the men...



There are the Sanaa Lathan and Gabriel Union threads. There is the Dorothy Dandridge thread. In fact, in the Gabriel Union thread, people commented on how wholesome her beauty was - the girl next door. Kresge remarked that she resembled his sister - and then yours truly tried to get the inside track to his sister.

If I knew where to get the pictures I'd start my own threads featuring the type of women you mention. I once tried but it was time consuming and not easy to find pics. Maybe I can get a lesson from Radio.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by virtue:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by virtue:



Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?



There's a (HUGE) difference between (anonymously) looking at a picture and (physically) sharing your body with another person.
The desirous idea behind these actions is the same......

lust....

Peace,
Virtue


The idea/emotion behind imagining that you killed someone and actually killing someone can be the same too... But the acts are very different.

In a fantasy, you haven't committed yourself...You simply entertain the possibility... And you can also imagine away (or simply ignore) the harsher aspects of the reality. For example, I can imagine that the woman is not actually sharing herself with the world in her picture but that it is meant for my eyes only. And If I fantasize about Sanaa Lathan, though she is a complete stranger to me, I can imagine she is my wife. Whereas in an actual encounter with her it would probably become evident very quickly that we are complete strangers and have no real intimacy.

Lastly, when we look at the pics, we're not thinking "Oh Geez, here's a loose woman... I'm soooooo excited." but rather "Here's a beautiful woman who is sexually powerful." The idea that she may be "loose" doesn't even come into play... In fact, the idea that she may be loose is arguably in its own distinct category of fantasy.
] You're kidding right? You think I'm going to believe that men don't look at those pictures because it excites them? Okay...... As far as being loose..... I don't think men who view photos such as this "think" much of anything...... However.... A woman with a thong on posing for God knows how many male strangers doing a close up of her rear simulating sexual movements or positions would be sending the message of sexual readiness and openness to hundreds (thousands?) of men..... would be considered in even today's time as loose........

one does not have to be rigid or religious to see that....


Peace,
Virtue
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by virtue:

There are no threads full of brilliant women, modestly dressed women or women of good morals..... titillating and exciting the men here.....this is not of interest to the men here..... the interest is the woman who is open with her sexuality.... enough to be photographed in motion simulating acts gratifying to the men...

I strongly disagree. This board is full of brilliant women with good morals (who may or may not dress modestly) that are titillating and exciting to the men here. You're extrapolating that the feeling of lust (which is often a passing, momentary feeling) is somehow equal to any sort of genuine interest. However, they are not in any way equal.

As proof of this, you need only compare the compliments made by the men in Radio Raheem's picture threads, to the compliments made by the men to the women on this board. Those whose insight, sincerity, and intelligence, have earned them such praise.
The threads with the most hits are the ones with naked women..... so a few comments here and there about women with substance are...... nice..... but not the norm..... and certainly not the most popular...


**Also, I was a member of another board (many members here were there too---a hip hop board--don't ask--) and the moderator there started a thread full of modestly dressed women and muslim women in beautiful garments from around the world...... many of the male posters commented heavily on their respect, admiration and need for women like this in their lives...... the thread was very popular and was re-done several times.....

the message was not lost on the women.....

at least not me....



Peace,
Virtue
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Originally posted by virtue:

There are no threads full of brilliant women, modestly dressed women or women of good morals..... titillating and exciting the men here.....this is not of interest to the men here..... the interest is the woman who is open with her sexuality.... enough to be photographed in motion simulating acts gratifying to the men...

I strongly disagree. This board is full of brilliant women with good morals (who may or may not dress modestly) that are titillating and exciting to the men here. You're extrapolating that the feeling of lust (which is often a passing, momentary feeling) is somehow equal to any sort of genuine interest. However, they are not in any way equal.

As proof of this, you need only compare the compliments made by the men in Radio Raheem's picture threads, to the compliments made by the men to the women on this board. Those whose insight, sincerity, and intelligence, have earned them such praise.
The threads with the most hits are the ones with naked women..... so a few comments here and there about women with substance are...... nice..... but not the norm..... and certainly not the most popular...

Certainly, you can't equate the number of hits a thread recives, verses the number of actual endorsements of women with substance. Particularly since anyone in the world can view any thread. In fact, your own views of those threads are counted among the number of views.

Virtue, you're trying to mix apples with oranges.

Men are, admittedly, visually stimulated. However, the qualities that men find visually stimulating are very, very broad. When it comes to qualities that inspire genuine interest, every man is far more selective. Even men who don't appear to be selective in their relationships, are far more selective in their relationships than they are in their lusts.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by virtue:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by virtue:



Do any of you who do not like promiscuous women... support the threads of half-naked women in this section?



There's a (HUGE) difference between (anonymously) looking at a picture and (physically) sharing your body with another person.
The desirous idea behind these actions is the same......

lust....

Peace,
Virtue


The idea/emotion behind imagining that you killed someone and actually killing someone can be the same too... But the acts are very different.

In a fantasy, you haven't committed yourself...You simply entertain the possibility... And you can also imagine away (or simply ignore) the harsher aspects of the reality. For example, I can imagine that the woman is not actually sharing herself with the world in her picture but that it is meant for my eyes only. And If I fantasize about Sanaa Lathan, though she is a complete stranger to me, I can imagine she is my wife. Whereas in an actual encounter with her it would probably become evident very quickly that we are complete strangers and have no real intimacy.

Lastly, when we look at the pics, we're not thinking "Oh Geez, here's a loose woman... I'm soooooo excited." but rather "Here's a beautiful woman who is sexually powerful." The idea that she may be "loose" doesn't even come into play... In fact, the idea that she may be loose is arguably in its own distinct category of fantasy.
] You're kidding right? You think I'm going to believe that men don't look at those pictures because it excites them? Okay...... As far as being loose..... I don't think men who view photos such as this "think" much of anything...... However.... A woman with a thong on posing for God knows how many male strangers doing a close up of her rear simulating sexual movements or positions would be sending the message of sexual readiness and openness to hundreds (thousands?) of men..... would be considered in even today's time as loose........

one does not have to be rigid or religious to see that....


Peace,
Virtue


You failed to undertand my point. I was not denying being excited. But, YOU, my dear, are the one looking at the picture making the judgement that the woman is "loose."

Who are you to tell us what goes on or doesn't go on in the mind of a fantasizing man???? Especially when I, a man, am telling you something very specific. Who are you to over-rule my opinion on the matter?

My point was that the idea of the woman being loose plays no part in the enjoyment of the pictures. In fact, the idea may ruin that enjoyment.
Gentleman-

You have already beat me to the punch. I wanted virtue to stop all this "I'll slip in a veiled moral judgement/attack then back off and pretend that my intentions were read wrong" stuff. Clearly, she believes that the bikini models are loose (how you determine that from a picture I don't know) and that the appeal of the pictures suggests some lack of moral fiber in the Den. This is plainly an attempt to shame people into following her standards.

There are no naked women here - scantily clad sometimes. But there are threads with fully dressed women (some by RadioRaheem) as others have clearly indicated. Enjoying a fantasy by no means prevents a man from pursuing a woman of substance.

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You're kidding right? You think I'm going to believe that men don't look at those pictures because it excites them? Okay...... As far as being loose..... I don't think men who view photos such as this "think" much of anything...... However.... A woman with a thong on posing for God knows how many male strangers doing a close up of her rear simulating sexual movements or positions would be sending the message of sexual readiness and openness to hundreds (thousands?) of men..... would be considered in even today's time as loose........

one does not have to be rigid or religious to see that....


Peace,
Virtue

Here's another attempt to impose your moral standards on the Den (along with another needless shot at the men here). Just like we respect your right to post your sentiments regarding the pictures, respect our right to have them here. You said that you were going to just avoid picture threads in the Den (you also said you were going to stay out of the Den, but I knew you didn't really mean that!). Why go back on your word & continue to push this issue? Now if the gentlemen here began to make demands on acceptable posting in A Sista's Spot, would you support that as well?
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But, there is a difference between experiencing the idea of lust, and acting on it.


Yes there is....isn't it fair to say that a person lusts after something that they find to be desirous?

Fellas, would you enjoy viewing sexy photos of women who did not know that they were being photographed? Isn't part of the lure of the photographs the idea that the model posing wants to be seen?

Men like sexually liberated women...The love looking at half nude photos of these women....But would they marry the sisters demonstrating lap dancing for the world to see? No....

Lusting and actually dating are not the same..yeah...the promiscuous woman is only good enough for thrills.


Kai
Peace...


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In a fantasy, you haven't committed yourself...You simply entertain the possibility... And you can also imagine away (or simply ignore) the harsher aspects of the reality. For example, I can imagine that the woman is not actually sharing herself with the world in her picture but that it is meant for my eyes only. And If I fantasize about Sanaa Lathan, though she is a complete stranger to me, I can imagine she is my wife. Whereas in an actual encounter with her it would probably become evident very quickly that we are complete strangers and have no real intimacy.


It seems that you are saying the same thing as Black Viking...Good enough to fantasize about having...But not good enough to pursue.

So basically Honest brother, you are not promiscuous, you do not date promiscuous women, but you enjoy fantasizing about women who portray themselves as being sexually liberated. this position seems to be a little iffy...


Kai
Peace....


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Here's another attempt to impose your moral standards on the Den (along with another needless shot at the men here). Just like we respect your right to post your sentiments regarding the pictures, respect our right to have them here. You said that you were going to just avoid picture threads in the Den (you also said you were going to stay out of the Den, but I knew you didn't really mean that!). Why go back on your word & continue to push this issue? Now if the gentlemen here began to make demands on acceptable posting in A Sista's Spot, would you support that as well?


Wow. Kinda harsh don't you think?

Take it easy...This is a public forum, not a clubhouse...



Kai
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Originally posted by Kai:
Fellas, would you enjoy viewing sexy photos of women who did not know that they were being photographed? Isn't part of the lure of the photographs the idea that the model posing wants to be seen?

Men like sexually liberated women...The love looking at half nude photos of these women....


Kai, apparently you're speaking for yourself... But again, I think it depends on the man, the model, the scenario, and the moment.... In my case, I disagree about part of the appeal necessarily being the model's knowledge of being seen... For some men that might be a big part of the appeal.... But sometimes the appeal is that of innocence in the model who is seemingly unaware.....

And, Folks, you're having this debate with a * photographer * ... ahem ... I have thought somewhat about these matters.

There is no one rule that fits all situations.
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It seems that you are saying the same thing as Black Viking...Good enough to fantasize about having...But not good enough to pursue.

So basically Honest brother, you are not promiscuous, you do not date promiscuous women, but you enjoy fantasizing about women who portray themselves as being sexually liberated. this position seems to be a little iffy...


Kai, we're going to have another problem if you persist in putting your muthaf*ckin' words into MY mouth...

I said no such thing... In fact, I've been saying something quite different.

You people need to stop this shit.

Don't start a thread if you're not prepared to have a real discussion where people have opinions different from yours.

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