"The revolution will be televised", well-when does it start, and where do people sign up?

MBM, I really love your site and what you are doing. I am not trying to single you out, or start any problems. One thing I've noticed is that most online communities favor topics of disagreement rather than unification.

I think promoting critical dialogue is important, but some topics should strive to find solutions as well. (not just opinion debunking and bashing)
Hopefully you haven't become defensive, and started searching for every iota of unifying topics.

How about posts promoting scheduled live chat events with a topic to discuss.

I feel like your site is more, "Negro, you don't know this, thats whats wrong with Americas!", instead of "Negros, this is what you need to know, and this is what we need to do about it." But, this is the community you designed.

Hopefully people will see this community as more than just a place for opinion defending and complaining by articulate black people. At the end of the day, MBM may believe in Christ, HeruStar maybe in Amen, Ngmagite in Allah, and Fine in the Virgin Mary, WHO KNOWS, at the end of the day there is white man who wants to knock off all of yall.
(DIVIDE AND CONQUER)

Hopefully their is more UNIFICATION and knowledge sharing from posters. Wink
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"Negros, this is what you need to know, and this is what we need to do about it."
How can arrogance bring about unification?

And how is that any different from "Negro, you don't know this." - i.e. You need to know = you don't know.
Texas Star:

UNITITY alone is not what we Black folks need.

The dominant Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive Fundamentalist wants UNITY with ALL OTHERS dropping what they believe and rallying around their flag. They alone know all about Black folks and everyone else is wrong.


I WANT UNITY BEHIND OBJECTIVES AND THEN METHODS TO ACHEIVE THEM THAT ARE PROVEN TO WORK. Prove that what you preach is EFFECTIVE and I will be the biggest cheerleader.

Instead we have folks who run off of the notions of POPULARITY of their believes among the masses. They don't have the PROOF of the effectiveness just the POPULARITY.

There is nothing wrong with debate.

I would like to see all combatants submit to a FRAMEWORK.

We can get behind what YOU support BUT put a TIME FRAME ON IT. If after a certain period of time of trying it YOU WAY if things have not changed WE MUST ABANDON THE FAILED METHODOLOGY and try something that is more EFFECTIVE.

It makes sense to try things that work elsewhere. This is called "Best Practices".

FUNDAMENTALISM is the biggest problem that we have in Black America. No amount of evidence of the GROSS FAILURE of what they believe is going to be enough to change their mind into attempting something else.

They practice the function Y = -1 x X where they are Y and their enemy is X. They will be diametrically opposed to the position of their enemy SIMPLY BECAUSE their enemy supports a certain postion.

Ask MBM about school choice and school vouchers despite the failing public schools of today and you will understand what I am saying.
The above post is why online communities like this are frequently distracted from unifying dialogue.

Don't look at MBM... look at the shyt-stirrers and misfits who are hell bent on telling other Black folks that the white people way is the only way to go. While it goes without saying that we don't always agree, for the most part, we can disagree without losing sight of our commonalities.

It's people like the above who are the malevolent, disruptive sources in online communities, and there can be no disagreement without derogatory conjecture and personal enmity. They desperately want to be accepted and valued, all the while rejecting and devaluing the ethnicity to which they claim membership.
Texas Star, I see your point and sympathize. But unfortunately unity isn't easy to come by. I believe that what happens here - the clash between ideas - can lead to greater understanding. It at least leads to understanding that an issue isn't cut and dried. I think I've learned a LOT here even from people I don't agree with and sometimes from just reading threads without contributing. The back and forth makes me check myself and my facts. I think even Constructive Feedback - for all his bluster - learns a few things.

IMO Unity ain't cheap. Before you can have unity you need to hash stuff out, have conflict, and exchange a diversity of views.
Unity comes from understanding. But agreement is not a requirement of understanding or unity. Many of the issues tackled here are serious and envoke passion in people. And these are not weak willed people on this forum, so when the sparks fly they tend to fly high.

But again, I don't think that shows a lack unity. Just the fact that we come here to learn, teach, discuss, debate, (and occasionally sling shit at each other Big Grin) I believe shows a profound sense of unity. We argue about these issues because these issues matter to us. That's what unites us.
Texas Star,

I see your point too. And I have to give a bit tfro to what Honest Brother said as well. Different points of view can be just as much a good thing as a bad one. Smile

I don't think you'll find what you're looking for here in this particular forum, but I think in the other forums, such as Our Lives or the Business or the Den or the Spot or Relationship forums you find more collaberation and coming together and helping on a variety of different subjects. Perhaps you could try promoting more harmony by subject matter.

I think maybe a separate politics forum might be a place to share information and and try to unite on a poliical level especially with critical elections coming up next year. But, I also think we should utilize some of the forums that we already have a little bit more too, such as the Health and Business sections.

Perhaps you could start there. Smile
I don't know why some of you are so hell bent on defending the right to debate.. I didn't deny the need for that at any point in my post. I just pondered why there is an overwhelming amount of pitting us against each other, and a lack of unification. I suggested bringing us together LIVE to discuss topics. That is a way to bring us TOGETHER to chat. Perhaps not unifying us on a topic, but bringing us together as a COMMUNITY.

We are all very different, and its great to discuss our differences. At the same time, there is a common thread among us. Im looking for Unification as an online community.
I really like this community, but it seems like if you don't have something to get riled up and defensive about, there is no point in posting.

Que Pappa @ Nmaginate
I mean sometimes I think this dudes pressure has got to be up. Either your pressure is up, or you have an enormous amount of time and blunts handy.

You are really out there, and I love it. How about tomorrow at 8 Central everyone available log on to chit chat with Nmaginate. LIVE-All about Nmaginate.

Up to the challenge? A little Wednesday night all about Nmaginate? ; )

MBM, hook it up, can this forum do chat sessions?
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Originally posted by Texas Star:
I don't know why some of you are so hell bent on defending the right to debate. I just pondered why there is an overwhelming amount of pitting us against each other, and a lack of unification.


Um, it may have something to do with the fact that you are in the Issues/Politics forum? Politics, much like religion and racial matters are very controversial subjects. You will find people everywhere, not just Blacks in particular, who are divided on these issues. Therefore, trying to get members on the board to reach some sort of unified concensus is unrealistic, in my opinion. However, I think what you are noticing, as a new member, is an ongoing, rather hostile and verbally explicit debate that has been going on between several members in this board. Unfortunately, I don't think there is much that you can do about this. You cannot control how people form their opinions, and you cannot control how people react to others' opinions.

I, for example, was on a date with a guy this past weekend, and we decided to eat at a Thai (Asian) Restaurant. After watching this Asian waitress, who spoke very little English, bust her ass waiting on folks in the restaurant, this is what my date had to say, "Asian people WORK for their money. They don't come to this country expecting handouts, unlike Black people. Asian people were colonized by Whites too, but you don't see them complaining about Slavery. This is the 21st century, and Black people simply cannot afford to be complaining about something that happened to them 500 years ago, not in the 21st century. We have lost our sense of work ethic, and we need to stop waiting for people's sympathy."

Now, while he was talking, I imagined myself taking both of my hands and squeezing his head into my fist as tight as I could until it popped, because not only was he ignorant, but he had consequently adopted a very negative view of Black people in general, depsite the fact that both he and I are well educated and live in affluent Black communities. This is why we will never see the idealized "unification" that you are proposing. Everyone, including Blacks, has DIFFERENT views about how Blacks are progressing and what we should be doing to progress further.
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TEXAS, take your queque from BLACK VIKING...

First, you have to know what the hell UNITY is before you can talk about the lack of it.

UNITY is not UNISON. Don't get it twisted.
Know what the hell you're talking about and what it entails.

That's your "chat" for today.

UNITY = a totality of related parts : an entity that is a complex or systematic whole

Echoing Black Viking and HB, UNITY ain't simple. By definition, it's COMPLEXED. And, apparently, this is an issue of you not understanding or not appreciating simple, complexities.

But, anyway... UNITY FOR WHAT? FOR WHAT PURPOSE? Where is your "this is what we need to do about it"... about something in particular? What in particular are you talking about?

UNITY / UNISON.
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Originally posted by Isome:
The above post is why online communities like this are frequently distracted from unifying dialogue.

Don't look at MBM... look at the shyt-stirrers and misfits who are hell bent on telling other Black folks that the white people way is the only way to go. While it goes without saying that we don't always agree, for the most part, we can disagree without losing sight of our commonalities.

It's people like the above who are the malevolent, disruptive sources in online communities, and there can be no disagreement without derogatory conjecture and personal enmity. They desperately want to be accepted and valued, all the while rejecting and devaluing the ethnicity to which they claim membership.


Isome:

Please detail the ERRORS in my post that you refer to INSTEAD of the points that YOU disagree with? Are they "wrong" because YOU disagree with them or are they "wrong" in absolute terms?

It is interesting that when AMERICA talked about "unifying behind the flag" after the 9/11 attacks SOME PEOPLE like Al Sharpton wisely saw the consequences of doing so. (another positive comment about a Black person, HB).

He saw the call for UNITY as a call to put aside all of his concerns that were important to him and to focus upon an EXTERNAL ENEMY as a UNIFYING FORCE.

He didn't "cheaply" BUY that particular call for "unity" by the dominant power of the country. I DON'T BY the call for "Unity" by the dominate ideology that has the Black community hi-jacked.


Again - If you want me to UNIFY with you then how about establishing a dEMOCRATIC FRAMEWORK? Where is the process for conflict resolution and for SIFTING THROUGH A NUMBER OF METHODS TO REACH OUR COMMON GOALS, DISPOSING OF THE ONE'S THAT DON'T WORK AS WE FIND THE ONE'S THAT DO WORK?

I find it interesting that many of you attempt to dismiss the processes that work for governments and for corporations as you attempt to apply it to a "race of people". The fact is that it is THE PROCESS that a collection of people adopt that have them to rise higher than the next group of people who don't have a process to fortify and intensify their efforts. This is the only way you "unify" people into working for the same goal.

The PROCESS will keep those in the minority from revolting because they know that they can engage THE PROCESS to affect change over time.

In the end Isome - I believe that you are a rebel against the system that contains you but YOU don't like when people "rebell" against YOU and your ideas.
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If you want me to UNIFY with you then how about establishing a dEMOCRATIC FRAMEWORK?
You don't believe in democracy, PUNK!!

There is no way you can talk about the Tyranny of the Majority and be so selective and DEFERENTIAL in your application of the principle... if you believed in democracy.

And you definitely don't respect any type of process or any real MEASURING OF EFFECTIVENESS, etc., etc. You just want what you call "Affirmative Action", a set-aside, for your views that eliminate you from having to demonstrate how your ideas are logical, accurate, responsible, legitimate, authentic or anything close to EFFECTIVE. You are RHETORIC MAN, you think rhetoric can carry your views and not actual sound, solid, reasoned substance.
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Originally posted by Rowe:

I, for example, was on a date with a guy this past weekend, and we decided to eat at a Thai (Asian) Restaurant. After watching this Asian waitress, who spoke very little English, bust her ass waiting on folks in the restaurant, this is what my date had to say, "Asian people WORK for their money. They don't come to this country expecting handouts, unlike Black people. Asian people were colonized by Whites too, but you don't see them complaining about Slavery. This is the 21st century, and Black people simply cannot afford to be complaining about something that happened to them 500 years ago, not in the 21st century. We have lost our sense of work ethic, and we need to stop waiting for people's sympathy."


WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU DOING ON A DATE WITH CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK????? Confused Confused Confused

It serves you right girl!! lol bsm
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Originally posted by Texas Star:

MBM, hook it up, can this forum do chat sessions?


We've got GREAT chat software here - we NEED to use it!!!

(At the top Nav bar - click "GO" and then "CHAT"!!)
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And you definitely don't respect any type of process or any real MEASURING OF EFFECTIVENESS, etc., etc. You just want what you call "Affirmative Action", a set-aside, for your views that eliminate you from having to demonstrate how your ideas are logical, accurate, responsible, legitimate, authentic or anything close to EFFECTIVE.



Little Fella:

I have "power" and influence over myself and my family. I have no job as a "Civil Rights Actor-vist", standing in front of a crowd, telling Black folks how damaged we are as a people. You can judge me on that which I have influence over in my domain.

I just signed up for Junior Acheivement. I will have the opportunity to get in front of young people and "indoctrinate them" toward my way of thinking.

IF my bit of influence upon this kids, mixed in with the greater influence of their parents and their general environment comes out to be a net NEGATIVE then you can say all that you have said about me.

Until then you need to apply your favorite words to yourself - STFU.
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Asian people were colonized by Whites too, but you don't see them complaining about Slavery. This is the 21st century, and Black people simply cannot afford to be complaining about something that happened to them 500 years ago, not in the 21st century. We have lost our sense of work ethic, and we need to stop waiting for people's sympathy



Rowe:

I don't have the same views as your date.

It is not about "working hard". PLENTY of people "work hard".

For me it is about CULTURE and the PROCESS for achieving these cultural directives.

Many Asian families have the concept of "Shame upon the family". This "pressure" is put upon the kids to have them act in line with some sort of principles and dignity as they conduct their lives. SURELY all of them do not abide by this all of the time but atleast it can serve as a course correction over the long run.

Compare that against the common theme of REBELLION that runs rampid among the popular culture that many (NOT ALL) Black kids grow up in. What is right is now wrong. If you are a "SNITCH" you have broken some code. This benefits THE CRIMINALS in our community and suppresses the INNOCENT people attempting to live in peace and safety.

Whenever WE DO ATTEMPT A HOMEGROWN SOLUTION TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS ACTED OUT BY BLACK FOLKS you know that one word of criticism by a WHITE PERSON will have the entire focus of the conversation shift from what WE NEED TO DO AS A PEOPLE over to a double barrel assault as to how WHITE FOLKS ARE DOING THE VERY SAME THING AND YET SEEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT. What does THIS POINT have to do WITH BLACK PEOPLE AND OUR SENSES OF IF SOMETHING IS RIGHT OR WRONG? If your adversary wishes to wallow in the mud as you stand up out of it - you clean yourself off while he remains muddy.

As the WORLD changes and other powers begin to stand tall the current dichotomy of White America and Black America will no doubt be broken. In America we now have the Hispanic question. Internationally we have the issue of what China is doing to us with it's growing economic power.

It is time NOW to put away the fundamentalism and focus on a PROCESS that will produce results.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

It is time NOW to put away the fundamentalism and focus on a PROCESS that will produce results.


As I've said many times over, there are thousands of African Americans who are 'doing their thing' in this country - achieving at the highest levels and acting in a way that is unencumbered by the ills that you are fixated on. It's a shame that this part of our community is apparently out of your view.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Again - If you want me to UNIFY with you then how about establishing a dEMOCRATIC FRAMEWORK? Where is the process for conflict resolution and for SIFTING THROUGH A NUMBER OF METHODS TO REACH OUR COMMON GOALS, DISPOSING OF THE ONE'S THAT DON'T WORK AS WE FIND THE ONE'S THAT DO WORK?


What gave you the nutty idea that anyone here besides Texas Star wants to unify with you?

You post without thoroughly reading the post you're responding to.

You're the one in the midst of people with whom you express nothing but contempt... obviously you're the one desperate for validation and unification.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
Compare that against the common theme of REBELLION that runs rampid among the popular culture that many (NOT ALL) Black kids grow up in. What is right is now wrong. If you are a "SNITCH" you have broken some code. This benefits THE CRIMINALS in our community and suppresses the INNOCENT people attempting to live in peace and safety.


Just out of curiosity, do you ever have anything good to say about the black community? You seem to do alot of nitpicking in order to hold the worst of us up as a poster child for blacks everywhere. The above statement is completely false. Not "snitching" is a criminal behaviour, not a black behaviour. You find it in all criminal orginizations, from petty street gangs all the way to international syndicates. And, I shouldn't have to add, all races and cultures.

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Whenever WE DO ATTEMPT A HOMEGROWN SOLUTION TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS ACTED OUT BY BLACK FOLKS you know that one word of criticism by a WHITE PERSON will have the entire focus of the conversation shift from what WE NEED TO DO AS A PEOPLE over to a double barrel assault as to how WHITE FOLKS ARE DOING THE VERY SAME THING AND YET SEEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT.


Do actually know anyone who does that? We all know that white people get away with things that we can't. I don't know anyone who beats that dead horse. I do, however, know people who use it as a reason to be better than the white people around them that seem to get away with everything.

It seems to me that you're a little unclear on your context. You sound as if you can't find any positive examples. If that's the case, I think your just not looking hard enough.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Rowe:

I, for example, was on a date with a guy this past weekend, and we decided to eat at a Thai (Asian) Restaurant. After watching this Asian waitress, who spoke very little English, bust her ass waiting on folks in the restaurant, this is what my date had to say, "Asian people WORK for their money. They don't come to this country expecting handouts, unlike Black people. Asian people were colonized by Whites too, but you don't see them complaining about Slavery. This is the 21st century, and Black people simply cannot afford to be complaining about something that happened to them 500 years ago, not in the 21st century. We have lost our sense of work ethic, and we need to stop waiting for people's sympathy."


WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU DOING ON A DATE WITH CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK????? Confused Confused Confused

It serves you right girl!! lol bsm


laugh
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
I just signed up for Junior Acheivement. I will have the opportunity to get in front of young people and "indoctrinate them" toward my way of thinking.


Thanks for the heads up, CF! As a college teacher I now have a warning to be prepared for the * intellectual confusion * you're sending my way.

And note the correct spelling of A-C-H-I-E-V-E-M-E-N-T

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
It is time NOW to put away the fundamentalism and focus on a PROCESS that will produce results.


Echoing MBM, you still don't get it. You're not addressing a bunch of failures in this forum. Some of us success stories * are * the result of the supposed fundamentalism you rail against.

Another * lesson on leadership *: modify what comes out of your f*cking mouth to take into account who your audience is.

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
Compare that against the common theme of REBELLION that runs rampid among the popular culture that many (NOT ALL) Black kids grow up in. What is right is now wrong. If you are a "SNITCH" you have broken some code. This benefits THE CRIMINALS in our community and suppresses the INNOCENT people attempting to live in peace and safety.


This is one of Isome's posts in the thread "Stop Snitching" Culture Strikes Again in Milwaukee that you so conveniently started and abandoned:

Wow! After further searching, the "stop snitching" lament is irrelevant to this story since some of the perpetrators did indeed identify those who they knew participated in the beating of Samuel McClain.

Further, that same day there was a "Increase the Peace" rally by Black leaders in the Milwaukee area and they publicly denounced the incident and called for more prevention methods on the part of the Black community itself.

The whole premise of this thread is invalid from beginning to end.


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I find it interesting that many of you attempt to dismiss * the processes that work for governments and for corporations * as you attempt to apply it to a "race of people". The fact is that it is THE PROCESS that a collection of people adopt that have them to rise higher than the next group of people who don't have a process to fortify and intensify their efforts.


What process?? Wholesale * theft * and * fraud *?????

Dude, pay attention. The current in-crown in Washington ran on this running-things-like-a-corporate-CEO idea. If you want to copy their rhetoric then you need to also lay claim to their results....

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In the end Isome - I believe that you are a rebel against the system that contains you but YOU don't like when people "rebel" against YOU and your ideas.


You're not rebelling against us. You're rebelling from reality. * If you REALLY wanted to rebel against us you'd say to hell with ya'll and go someplace else with your BS to folks who actually want to hear it. *

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A people who successfully ORDER their own members from the INSIDE so that the masses, once disciplined in alignment with a PURPOSE can relocate to any environment and RECREATE that which their purpose directs them toward. THEY WILL CHOOSE LEADERS THAT FOCUS ON THE INSIDE, working to TRANSFORM the people and thus their environment.


You have a loooooooooong way to go, JR.

lol

Sorry, Texas Star....I guess there's not much hope for "Unity" any time soon! Wink

PS: CF, I noticed your earlier reference to Al Sharpton. You get a B- for effort. You still have a long way to go.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

...you know that one word of criticism by a WHITE PERSON will have the entire focus of the conversation shift from what WE NEED TO DO AS A PEOPLE over to a double barrel assault as to how WHITE FOLKS ARE DOING THE VERY SAME THING AND YET SEEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT. What does THIS POINT have to do WITH BLACK PEOPLE AND OUR SENSES OF IF SOMETHING IS RIGHT OR WRONG


Ummm, the messenger? Ahh... racism? Hypocrisy? Economic, political, and social inequality? Double standards? Brutality, humiliation, indignation and righteous anger? Gosh, there must be a whole bunch of reasons.
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Little Fella:

I have "power" and influence over myself and my family.
COP OUT!! And your typical Race To The RAT HOLE!

I guess you have that thing you call "CONDITIONED HOPELESSNESS." You only have power/influence that only goes so far. You can't do any more than that. You're hopeless. The situation you're up against is hopeless.

I mean, you rant, rave and rail against stuff? That you can't control? I thought you had a theory about that. You know, that you don't worry about things and people you have no control over.

CON-Feed. It's NOW time for the STOP THE SELF-HATRED Campaign. You can lead that charge for yourself. STOP! Contradicting yourself, grow a pair and start saying things that are logically consistent.

You're quick to say or rather excuse the fact that you have no criticism, critiques or challenges for White America or the American system(s) because, as noted, you don't worry about things you don't have control over. I believe you've say something to the effect that you can't make White people do this or that, etc. (as you were quick to justify why White folks feel/are justified...)

Well, now, you're acknowledging that you don't have control or power or influence over the overwhelming majority of Black people but you sure do concern yourself with, worry about, act obsessed with the behaviors and activities of Black people whom you admit you have no power over.

Now what is your problem? Why do you even bother? If you believe the BULLSHIT you say (which you say as a convenient way for you to duck and dodge your way to the nearest RAT HOLE)?

Please, CON-Feed... STOP THE SELF-HATRED!

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IF my bit of influence upon this kids... comes out to be a net NEGATIVE then you can say all that you have said about me.
Hmmm.... What have I said about you?

You definitely don't respect any type of process or any real MEASURING OF EFFECTIVENESS, etc., etc. You just want what you call "Affirmative Action", a set-aside, for your views that eliminate you from having to demonstrate how your ideas are logical, accurate, responsible, legitimate, authentic or anything close to EFFECTIVE.

That's what you quoted from "what I said about you." What does any of what you said about a "Net Negative" have to do with the demonstrated fact that you don't believe or practice what you say with respect to respect a PROCESS for determining MEASURED EFFECTIVENESS?

You've been given ample opportunity here. Yet you're short (and I'm being generous) on the presentation. Things you say here are nothing about an assorted mix of empty, silly, vague and meaningless RHETORIC. FYI, that has little to do with what I think about what you do in your personal life. Matter of fact, I've told you, for all intents and purposes HERE... I don't give a damn about your personal life. Only your sorry ass take shit that damn personal and can't separate two things that don't necessarily have anything to do with one another, especially in terms of anything "I've said about you."

I've only spoken about shit you say here. To hell with your personal life. That's never the subject with me... only your PUNK and PUSSY nature wants it to be about your personal life.

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If you want me to UNIFY with you then how about establishing a dEMOCRATIC FRAMEWORK?
You don't believe in democracy, PUNK!!

There is no way you can talk about the Tyranny of the Majority and be so selective and DEFERENTIAL in your application of the principle... if you believed in democracy.

Not being able to Stay ON TOPIC, for you Con-Feed... is a NEGATIVE - net, gross and always.
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Originally posted by MBM:
WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU DOING ON A DATE WITH CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK????? Confused Confused ConfusedIt serves you right girl!! lol bsm


It's interesting how you can meet someone who looks perfectly normal. It's not until you allow him or her to run their mouth do realize what a freak this person is.
Nmaginate... I really like you, and your thoughts. Even with all your mean remarks. Maybe I wrote this all wrong. I don't even understand some of these responses. I actually just wanted to chat with you, and get to know more about you.

All Im trying to do is bring blacks TOGETHER.

MY ISSUE IS, I want to get to know you guys more. I don't have a dad, so maybe when look at the pics of these smart old men who seem to care about something, I just wish I could be closer or on your level. The POLITICS about it are, that b/c this is a forum, its a place to debate. But, we also have to remember each other. No matter how our beliefs differ, there is still a silent war against US... Not just portions of us, but all of us.

My suggestion was, to INCREASE community togetherness. Okay, I will stop calling it Unity. That is the wrong term. I suggested LIVE chats about a specific topic..... Its just another form of bringing people together. Look, Im in a 15 member yahoo group that meets faithfully once a month to discuss a specific health problem. We don't all agree, and the ONLY thing we have in common is the disease. From day 1 you join the group, you're bombarded with info about the disease.

Im just a 25 year old young lady, who is interested in politics, and becoming aware. I realize that it will take some sort of organization for that to happen.

Maybe I should have said, MBM where's the organization.

Because, its difficult to be a member here if you aren't already a know it all. I guess I'll just stick to my MSN communities, and other sites where people are willing to be connected.

This is a big issue. If on many communities blacks are pitted against each other... Its something to be concerned with. Think about the power of the web.

I just wanted to mention my feelings to MBM.

The next time I visit this community, I'll make sure I have a valid politcal issue to discuss. Who would have thought that black people getting together online in an organized way would be a problem.

Hum.
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Originally posted by Constructive
I just signed up for Junior Acheivement. I will have the opportunity to get in front of young people and "indoctrinate them" toward my way of thinking.


I think its wonderful that you've signed up for the Junior Achievement program. Rather than simply complaining about the problems experienced by some young people, you are contributing time and effort towards solving them. However, just make certain that you do not forget to inlcude some positive affirmations about young people in your program of indoctrinationin as well. I think the children will be a lot receptive to your ideas of improvement if you would, at times, acknowledge something that is positive about them in your discussions. Otherwise the children under your instructional supervision will more than likely respond to you in the same ways many people have here (with resentment and rebellion). There's nothing worse than to have a teacher who has nothing but critcism upon which to destroy, and no words of encouragement or affirmation on which to build.
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Originally posted by Texas Star:
Because, its difficult to be a member here if you aren't already a know it all. I guess I'll just stick to my MSN communities, and other sites where people are willing to be connected.


I know this thread seems to have gotten a little bit off track, but no one has been attacking you personally. You actually don't need to know anything at all in order to be a part of this community. Just be willing to share, and hear what others have to share. I'll be the first to say that there's alot I don't know, and I usually ask more questions than I offer answers (I'm sure Nmaginate will back me up on that one Big Grin).


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The next time I visit this community, I'll make sure I have a valid politcal issue to discuss. Who would have thought that black people getting together online in an organized way would be a problem.

Hum.


Like Rowe posted earlier, there are many forums in this community that don't get this heated because the subjects are not Issues/Politics. Most of the same people participate in the other forums, but the subject matter is entirely different.

I think this is the basis of the organized community that you've been looking for here. In one place we talk about music. In another, history. In another, cooking. In another, family. In another, relationships (WARNING:this one gets pretty hot too Wink). In another we play games. But here, in Issues/Politics, this is where we fight. Because here we talk about the things that really piss us off! Sometimes the things that really piss us off are eachother! Smile

The thing I'd really like you to understand is that we are connected. We were connected before we ever came here. I won't speak for everyone, but I believe it's the reason why we came here.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
Like Rowe posted earlier, there are many forums in this community that don't get this heated because the subjects are not Issues/Politics. Most of the same people participate in the other forums, but the subject matter is entirely different.

I think this is the basis of the organized community that you've been looking for here. In one place we talk about music. In another, history. In another, cooking. In another, family. In another, relationships (WARNING:this one gets pretty hot too Wink). In another we play games.


I agree. Hey, Sister Texas, why don't you come over to the Sistas Spot. I can better protect you over there. This forum is really for vicious discussion vultures. If you don't tread carefully, you will be eaten, dead or alive. A lot of men hang out here. So you know what that's about (Hint, hint: Ego, testostorone, addicted to being right). Come hang with the girls, we are a lot less ego driven. We can talk about beauty, fashion, and men problems.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
A lot of men hang out here. So you know what that's about (Hint, hint: Ego, testostorone, addicted to being right). Come hang with the girls, we are a lot less ego driven. We can talk about beauty, fashion, and men problems.


Mad Them's fightin' words upset

lol
You like him, don't you? Do you want to kiss on him? If you do, then you can do one of these kiss, like that. Then, he will get the message. Better yet, send him a "PM" (private message) telling him that you like him and what you like about him. I'm sure he'd appreciate that. Smile
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Originally posted by Rowe:
Now, while he was talking, I imagined myself taking both of my hands and squeezing his head into my fist as tight as I could until it popped...
What stopped you??
Nmaginate... Its time. Where are you..
I think you won't admit that it takes you about 3 hours per post! Boo Boo Hiss Hiss.. You're no fun!

Rowe, you've made me see the light! I was being a typical woman and falling for the bad guy.. Oh, my. I guess its time to move on..

Humm how about a teacher?

kiss @ honest brotha
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Originally posted by Texas Star:
I was being a typical woman and falling for the bad guy.. Oh, my. I guess its time to move on..

Humm how about a teacher?

kiss @ honest brotha


Oh she's seen the light....
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Rowe, you've made me see the light! I was being a typical woman and falling for the bad guy.. Oh, my. I guess its time to move on..

Humm how about a teacher?

kiss@ honest brotha


What the hell are you doing, he's one of the guys that I like. Get your own man sista. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Rowe:
What else?...He was paying for the meal. Smile
You shoulda yoked him as soon as the he signed the cc receipt... PAH-YOW!! Then taken a cab home - I know you had your "mad money" lol

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