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Lets just be real, and I don't even smoke budd; but ganja, dank, reefer, and/or the khronic should be legalized immediately. How can you rationalize the fact that cigarettes ,and the nicotine in it, kills 400,000 people annually, and smoking is perfectly legal? Cigarettes kill more people than ALL OF THE OTHER DRUGS (LEGAL OR ILLEGAL) COMBINED. Where is the rationale? Who can defend such a stance?

There is nothing stoping anyone from getting cigarettes ,but $5 and the will. Most kids will tell you that it is easier to get weed then it is to get beer.. Why? You have to have ID to buy beer. If it was legal place the same restrictions on it as liquor.

Make marijuana legal end the hypocrisy
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Can you propose a reason why Marijuana should be legal without comparing it to other addictive but legal drugs? The questions you must answer are what will the benefits be in legalizing Marijuana and how if at all will it make things better or worse.

I am not for the legalization of Marijuana but I would support the decriminalization of it. What is the difference you ask? The decriminalization of marijuana will stop men and women from doing time for being caught with a joint or two and focus more on those who are in the business of trafficking it. Those who are caught with a small amount of it for personal use will have it confiscated and will simply pay a fine based on the amount they have. Other options will be available as well, like Community service and or a school similar to traffic school that demonstrate how drug users normally start off with light drugs like Marijuana before moving on to stronger more potent drugs.

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When our most educated, and best prepared turn their back on our community, stagnation sets in and the men and women who are not the most educated and not the most prepared become the example for those coming behind them. It is up to those of us who are not rich and well off but are educated and prepared to educate our youth and prepare them for what they will face when entering the world.



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"Can you propose a reason why Marijuana should be legal without comparing it to other addictive but legal drugs?"

I don't feel that that is required to validate the legality of marijuana use. You make marijuana live up to a criteria alcohol and tobacco do not have to live up to. It is what it is all by itself. Your standard is almost ridiculously laughable. But I will answer it the way you want me to. The reason why it should be legal is because this is a free country. And comparing the legality of something to the legality of something else, is a legal concept called precedence.


"The questions you must answer are what will the benefits be in legalizing Marijuana and how if at all will it make things better or worse."

Benefits. Less crime, less people in prison, the creation of a new taxable sector of the economy.

How would it make things better or worse? Another absurd question. How does beer makes things better or worse?. This goes back to your "benefits" question, see my answer
above.

And in response to your "marijuana is a gateway drug philosophy", most kids start off stealing cigarettes from their mom's purse and raiding their father's liquor cabinet. That is their initiation into drugs.
Blaqfist:

I think you have started another looong thread.

I don't use any illegal drug. I think drugs should be legal. You name it.

Why? All the reasons you list, and any other reason anyone can think of.

The "War Against Drugs" is a joke.

The Drug Czar is a joke, both as a person, and the position.

Our society tried to legislate morality once before. We went so far as to amendment the Constitution!!!!(18th).

It is important to note what made that happen. It was driven by European women marching in the streets protesting the violence in their communities. Morality was used to leverage the conscience of lawmakers. The European men were gone. But the point is violence in their neighborhoods, their innocent family members being endangered, wounded and killed is what put them in the streets.

Congress didn't just "make it illegal." Congress made it UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! As soon as the boys came "marching home," the Volstead Act was repealed, and the 19th Amendment was negated with another constitutional amendment (21st).

More than forty thousand people, or is it 400,000, die or are killed annually. Not a whimper, Not a moan. Rehab centers are all over the landscape. Not a whimper. Not a moan.

The kinds of people who ran the illegal drug industry are memoralized in literature, and the media. Millions look at the tribute FOR ENTERTAINMENT!!! The latest version is call "The Sopranos.".

The violence now is in our neighborhoods. The innocent family members being endangered, wounded and killed are African American, and other non-European groups.

There is no argument that can be successful for legalization of drugs. It would be a scourge on our society. Huh??? Like alcohol???

It doesn't happen because its you and not them who have the scourge. It's your family, relatives, and friends. Not theirs. Their count. Your's does not.

That callous disregard for you and your's is the nature of America's Society.

Also. SOMEBODY'S GETTING PAID!!

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

[This message was edited by James Wesley Chester on August 30, 2003 at 03:19 PM.]
With as much information that is available on the diseases related to alcohol and tobacco use, it would stand to reason that an equal amount would be present for a 'drug' such as marijuana. But there is not. Not only this, Alcohol and Tobacco kill millions. Marajuana has been accused to 'invovelment' in fatal accidents, but no one has dropped dead from marijauna use.

But they sure feel better if they us it 'medicinally'. They eat. The sleep. They laugh and play. They think and meditate, they converse and socialize. There are more medicinal uses for marijauna than there are 'side-effects'. The lie about killing your brain cells has been refuted all over the internet. Congress received a year long study on it before they made it illegal the second time, after it was deemed unconstitutional the *first* time; 1937 and '67/68 respectively, if I recall correctly.

The information about marijuana is trumped up, but since the goverment is calling the shots, the average citizen asks no questions.

If enough people support an idea, all it takes is motivation. The idea is that Marijuana does more good than it ever has any 'harm'. Truth is, if it wasn't for MJ, the world would be a different place. Canvas and boat sails would never have been invented. And they were making clothes from hemp and porridge from the seeds way before then.

But stuff like that isn't common knowledge.

Isaiah 1;2-3
"Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth; for the LORD has spoken: I reared up children and brought them up, but they have rebelled agaist me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not understand."
soul dr... statements like.. "Canvas and boat sails would never have been invented.""

Make people who might support legalizing budd, waffle a little bit in your behalf. That is an absurd statement. Sails would have been invented w/ out "higher" intervention..
But that was not my point for legalizing khronic..

Let me make somethings clear...
I do not condone smoking weed.
I would not encourange anyone to do it.
I think it is wrong in a few ways..
a. bad for your health
b. it does kill brain cells.

After all that I still think that weed along w/ a few other drugs (xtc, speed, cocain, uppers,) should be made legal tomorrow. And everyone currently in jail serving time for non murder drug offences should be let out.

Drugs along w/ gambling, prostitution, and polygamy are not crimes.
Oh. I see. You point is to elimate the crime 'associated' with it? You don't have to 'condone' the 'smoking of MJ'. Your moral code cannot encompass a natural occurance. You don't have to encourage anyone to use it, they 'use' it of their own free will. And what you 'think' is wrong with it is based on what you have been taught about it. But answer this question: what do 'you' know to be wrong with it?

I don't condone it. I don't encourage it. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. What is bad for you health is stuff proven to 'kill' you. MJ has not. And if it killed brain cells, why doesn't it kill the brain? Science says we humans don't regrow or regenerate brain cells. How many bud smokers in this world? How many dead brains because of it?

You presented the subject. I joined because the 'facts' surrounding MJ are trumped up. I joined because I can prove it. As for drugs you mentaion after MJ, Marijuana is the only 'drug' that does not need to be 'modified'. It grows naturally, with it's mystic properties. Cigs, alcohol, and every other drug has been tampered with by man. That is why they are 'drugs'. They are manufactured chemicals. The likes of which that kill and destroy.

Weed is just illegal. But alcohol kills.

Isaiah 1;2-3
"Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth; for the LORD has spoken: I reared up children and brought them up, but they have rebelled agaist me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not understand."
Only a budd smoker would make a statement like.."Your moral code cannot encompass a natural occurance."..

Soul Doc.., could you please eloborate on what the hell you mean by that statement..
I would be glad to give you a response, only if I knew what you were talking about..

As for "what do 'you' know to be wrong with it?"

I know you are not sitting here trying to tell me smoking budd is healthy.
You really don't beleive that, do you?
I drink liquor all the time , but it aint good for me. And I would never try to tell anybody it is.

[This message was edited by blaqfist on September 15, 2003 at 05:04 PM.]
What I meant was as a natural occuring plant, that grows unmolested by human hands, yielding its properties 'naturally', what you 'perceive' to be wrong with it is just that, perception.

The thing about it, you seem to be condemning it based on your perception of it. A conclusion what was arrived at by hearsay. And yes, smoking marajuana *is* heallthy. Ask glaucoma patients, aids patients, pain suffers, insomniacs. Or someone suffering from nausea or lack of an appetite.

For all the things weed 'does', the government has 'overlooked' what they assert as it 'side effects'. I don't believe anything, blaqfist. If I can't make sense of it, I don't care to hear it. I can make sense of marajuana because I know the history behind it's criminalization. I'm familiar with the research done into it. I am also knowledgeable on its uses, spirituall, physically, and medicinally.

I do not 'believe' weed to be healthy. I know it is. What I also know is that you cannot prove that it is not. You can provide propaganda from government sources, but it only serves to prove my point and yours, incidentally.

The goverment started this whole charade. You're complaining about what they did in the first place. I'm just saying the whole thing was a lie from the beginning.

Isaiah 1;2-3
"Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth; for the LORD has spoken: I reared up children and brought them up, but they have rebelled agaist me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not understand."
I agree with many of you, bud should be legailized. It was legal until Prohibition, when alcohol and weed were made illegal. How alcohol got thru but not weed is not known to me. My guess is that too much "gangster" money was getting away, and they couldn't control the "mob."

Marijuana has a number of medicinal aids, especially those taking chemo and similar medicines. I realize that's not the only reason to legalize but it is a recreational drug. Of course, the downsize to the legalization is that the government would create another set of taxes and bureaucratic organization to manage it.
MJ is bad for you....Call it "propoganda" if you want too, but i've seen what MJ does and can do to the average human being. First of all, there is not one substance on this earth that when you smoke it it's considered "good". Smoke is not meant to be in your lungs. MJ is a gateway drug. Does everyone escalate?..no. But a good number of those who smoke are using something strong now or go on to experiment with other drugs. MJ destroys your short term memory and motivation. Of course you can find that one person who can smoke their brains out and get straight A's in school, but they are in the minority. Most end up in their mama's basement (no job) playing video games listening to Bob Marley. MJ is addictive....ask anyone who's ever been around a smoker and their dealer is out of town. Anyone who says that marijuana is "natural" is out of their minds...there's not enough space on this MB to list all of the chemicals (which the smoker inhales along with the herb) that they cut it with.....

Legalizing it is a bad idea....will smokers ever rise up and demonstrate in masses?...No! they're too busy getting high...
The contradiction in our drug policy vis-a-vis marijuana and alcohol is extraordinary. Can anyone argue that alcohol is less destructive than marijuana? If you can't, then something other than the welfare of American citizens is driving our policy. Further, tobacco is even worse. It kills enthusiastically. Yet both are legal and marijuana is not.

I am intrigued with decriminalization, not because of the above, but because I think it could be a way to eliminate a source of crime that's associated with the drug economy. We've obviously failed in the "War on Drugs". To get different results you have to do things differently.


There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
It's not the war on 'drugs', it's the war on Marijauna. How many commercials are shown regarding the physical harms of specific drugs? I see Marijuana. I see cigarettes just recently. Maybe 'X'. I'm still waiting on alcohol.

But no crack, no heroine, no coke, no meth commercials. But on the news, you see drug 'related' crimes concerning these drugs. Crackheads and junkies who will *kill* you for their fix. But no weedheads or budsmokers out roaming the streets, suffering from withdrawls, looking for a fix.

You see these cats singing and rapping or staring in movies. How many under scrutinity for marijuana use? How many as drunks, coke addicts, or worse?

The point is, what *kills* are *drugs*. What destroys life, limb, *and* property should not be tolerated or accepted as legal, but alcohol covers all three with tobacco a close second. 'Illicit' manufactured drugs, a class in which marijuana does not belong, destroys anything they touch. As the families of drug overdose 'victims' or those detroyed by enimity over theft or the innocents killed just because they happen to be in the right place at the right time.

Double entendre, I know. But the point is no one has been a victim of marijuana. Either by circumstance or ignorance.

As it has been said, the bud smokers are in their parents basement, too lazy to work, much less concerned about anything more significant that their next smoke. And you know what? It's growing in the back yard or in the closest. From seeds.

Isaiah 1;2-3
"Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth; for the LORD has spoken: I reared up children and brought them up, but they have rebelled agaist me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not understand."
soul dr. your refusal to admitt the bad things about weed are just as naive as the refusal to legalize it's use....

Ok if weed is so healthy for you, use it for one month, then try to run a mile. Try to compete athletically after using it.

In response to your "I cannot prove that weed smoke is un-healthy".., comment.

Is having a smaller lung capacity good for anyone?

Any enhaled smoke will decrease you breathing capacity..

That is your proof that smoking weed is BADD for you.

But I still think it should be legal..
I don't support education at all. That money could go to the needy. My children need to stay home with me more than they need to be 'educated' to survive in this world. But I feel you.

Isaiah 1;2-3
"Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth; for the LORD has spoken: I reared up children and brought them up, but they have rebelled agaist me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not understand."
I'd rather him be a pothead than a drunk. Or crackhead. Or heroine addict or etc. etc. etc....

That is if 'he' must be anything at all. It is the perspective that apparently confuses. I am not an advocate for pot smokers of america. But I am an advocate of truth. And much of what is written about Marijuana are lies.

The thread was about balance, I provided more than my share I suppose, but not by grandstanding or harping on what I 'think' concerning Marijuana, but what I happen to know.

It's about the message. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Isaiah 1;2-3
"Hear, O heavens, and listen, O earth; for the LORD has spoken: I reared up children and brought them up, but they have rebelled agaist me. The ox knows its owner, and the donkey its master's crib; but Israel does not know, My people do not understand."

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