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Here is a video exerpt of a piece of Malcolm X's "Ballot or Bullet" speech. I thought it was particularly interesting as many - falsely - characterize Malcolm's actions as outside of, or counter to, "the system". This shows where he speaks out quite demonstratively about getting black folks to vote.

Also - this is great for those conservatives amongst us who like to fashion Malcolm as "self reliant" as it shows where he quite clearly thinks that pressuring government to respond to African American needs is an appropriate thing.

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© MBM

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Also - this is great for those conservatives amongst us who like to fashion Malcolm as "self reliant" as it shows where he quite clearly thinks that pressuring government to respond to African American needs is an appropriate thing.


WHICH GOVERNMENT?

Federal?
State?
Municipal?
Community? (ie: homeowners association or neighborhood watch)

Which GOVERNMENT should respond to "African American NEEDS"?

Should WHITE FOLKS respond to needs that are uniquely African American or just to what you are due as an American citizen?

Do you REALLY think that a group who will lose NET POWER if you are made whole "by their HELP" is really going to make you whole by sharing with you and helping up with no limit?
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WHICH GOVERNMENT?

Federal?
State?
Municipal?
Community? (ie: homeowners association or neighborhood watch)

Which GOVERNMENT should respond to "African American NEEDS"?



Stupid question. But this is you we're talking about.
Answer: ALL OF THE ABOVE.

Now what's your problem with that, DEFERENCE MAN?

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Should WHITE FOLKS respond to needs that are uniquely African American or just to what you are due as an American citizen?


More ceding to White Folks what isn't theirs. Again, Black folks pay taxes. Why are you so "comfortable" with White folks lording over Black folks taxes, posing idiotic questions as if White folks have the "right" to do that.

You might see yourself as a second-class citizen, you might even feel "comfortable" with that but no one else has any reason to just acquiesce and make the ignorant assumption (and work from it) that you do: WHITE = GOVERNMENT (and the only people who matter when it comes to government).

And being weak... this is the best you got:

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Do you REALLY think that a group who will lose NET POWER if you are made whole "by their HELP" is really going to make you whole by sharing with you and helping up with no limit?


Too damn scared and timid... Too much of a punk to deal with the issue at hand.

At issue here is Malcolm X's stand on African-American Political Participation. For you, we can ask whether his views align with your OPT OUT "3rd Option" which drove you to asking that stupid azz question.

WHICH GOVERNMENT WAS HE (Malcolm X) TALKING ABOUT?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Again, Black folks pay taxes.


Another FAKE BLACK NATIONALIST show for who he is.

WHAT CONSUMER is going to continue paying for THAT WHICH IS FAILING HIM?

If you are paying for a daily subscription to your local newspaper and the delivery person only gives you service on a sporadic basis you are going to CANCEL SERVICE and seek to get service via some other means.

It is true that you might call customer service and attempt to correct the situation. After YEARS of promises and FAILURE TO DELIVER it is YOU WHO IS THE FOOL for continuing to expect service as you want it.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

WHAT CONSUMER is going to continue paying for THAT WHICH IS FAILING HIM?


So you propose breaking federal law, going to jail, and not being able to provide for your family - to make a political point, is that it CF? Confused


How EFFECTIVE will that be? bang


Are you suggesting that a TRUE BELIEVER in conservtive Theory make that theory work in the real world?

Surely you jest! lol lol

umbra
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Originally posted by MBM:
So you propose breaking federal law, going to jail, and not being able to provide for your family - to make a political point, is that it CF? Confused

How EFFECTIVE will that be? bang


TWO POINTS that your myopia fails to allow you to see

1) You would support tax policies that reduced FEDERAL taxes and would instead support LOCAL TAXES that allow you to have more direct control over your money. (Of course you would NEVER let go of the INCOME REDISTRIBUTION benefits that cover the fact that your own economic generation is not enough to maintain your standard of living - so you'll never agree to this)

2) If and when you had enough MIGRATION to another country that offered you a better deal would be considered. You would begin to INVEST YOUR PRODUCTIVITY AND TAX DOLLARS into this new country. Just as so many millions of Jamaicans, Haitians, Mexicans, Nigerians and others have COME TO America for their personal benefit you should consider some of your views about America, its economy and its policies and settle into a country that is more in line with your views. (See the last sentence above as to why you would never leave though)

I did not suggest that you NOT PAY TAXES if this is the law. I SUGGESTED THAT YOU WORK TO CHANGE THE POLICIES THAT HAVE YOUR MONEY FLOWING OUTSIDE OF YOUR SPHERE OF CONTROL ONLY TO NEVER COME BACK. Got it?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Originally posted by MBM:
So you propose breaking federal law, going to jail, and not being able to provide for your family - to make a political point, is that it CF? Confused

How EFFECTIVE will that be? bang


TWO POINTS that your myopia fails to allow you to see


I can only respond to what's on the screen - brotha!

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1) You would support tax policies that reduced FEDERAL taxes and would instead support LOCAL TAXES that allow you to have more direct control over your money.


We live in a republican democracy. Through your Congressperson and Senators one has just as much "control" over their tax dollars as locally. Are you somehow afraid to talk to them or to try to influence your dollars at that level?

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2) If and when you had enough MIGRATION to another country that offered you a better deal would be considered.


Do you have children CF? Ever disciplined them? Ever offered them "constructive feedback"? Your thinking would rather get rid of them than try to make them their best. nono
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We live in a republican democracy. Through your Congressperson and Senators one has just as much "control" over their tax dollars as locally. Are you somehow afraid to talk to them or to try to influence your dollars at that level?



MBM:

After 300 years WHEN DO YOU MAKE NOTE THAT THE CORE OF "WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE" is in fact INHERENT TO THAT WHICH YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE AND THUS FOUNDATIONAL CHANGE IF FOLLY?

When do you apply NOT IN MY NAME to also set a limit of the point when YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY LONGER lest you be tagged along with that which you are attempting to change?

I am sure that I posted the story of the "Mafia Wife". For years she has BENEFITED from the fruits of her husband's profession though she had never pulled a trigger nor busted a kneecap. Though her husband is listed as the owner of a sanitation company the house, jewels and cars don't add up with respect to what he claims to be to the rest of the world.

She KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. She has been WORKING TO CHANGE HIM FOR YEARS.

When the FBI arrests her as a CO-CONSPIRATOR she makes not that she stopped sleeping with him. She stopped cooking for him and she never allowed a mobster to set foot in her house.

She spent 25 years of marriage ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE HIM but never LET GO OF THE FRUIT OF HIS LABOR from which she was attempting to change him.

At the end of 25 years MBM - do you BUY her claim that SHE WAS WORKING TO CHANGE HIM as we look through the closet in her master bed room. As we look at the cars that she has? As we look at the trips that she has taken from his spoils and as we look at the armed guards that protect where she lives from external harm?

YOU are that MAFIA WIFE with respect to AMERICA - MBM
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

After 300 years WHEN DO YOU MAKE NOTE THAT THE CORE OF "WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE" is in fact INHERENT TO THAT WHICH YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO CHANGE AND THUS FOUNDATIONAL CHANGE IF FOLLY?


Respectfully, this is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Things have changed here. When my first forbears reached these shores they were considered pieces of chattel - able to be bought and sold as a common farm animal. Can you understand that the very same kind of agititation and dissent and political/social criticism that got us from that position is precisely what you see from others here?

Have you read the quote at the top of this forum's main page? It is:


If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening . . . This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

Frederick Douglas


Respectfully, you are the man who is afraid of agitation. You would rather us just shut up and be happy.

Hell no.
MBM:

HAS THE CORE OF "AMERICAN CAPITALISM" CHANGED?
Or have RULES that allow YOU and people like you who have their RIGHTS trampled upon them changed where you now have the law on your side defending what is in the law?

My statement was aimed at people who key upon "Stolen Land" yet purchase a "Carton Sheets Real Estate" course to go purchase some of this stolen land of their own. I said previously I don't detect that you are necessarily one of these people.
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My statement was aimed at people who key upon "Stolen Land" yet purchase a "Carton Sheets Real Estate" course to go purchase some of this stolen land of their own. I said previously I don't detect that you are necessarily one of these people.


They can either buy some of the stolen land or they can pay rent on the stolen land which will enrich the people that stole the land. Even buying the land means enriching them since it probably means paying interest on a loan.

Do you have an alternative or is this implication of hypocrisy merely a debating technique? Maybe they should have refused to be born on the stolen land.

umbra
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They can either buy some of the stolen land or they can pay rent on the stolen land which will enrich the people that stole the land. Even buying the land means enriching them since it probably means paying interest on a loan.

Do you have an alternative or is this implication of hypocrisy merely a debating technique? Maybe they should have refused to be born on the stolen land.


20 SPEAK UP, son (aka CON-Feed)! 20



Umbra, his name isn't RHETORIC MAN for nothing! lol

And he has an alternative alright. AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT, basically... Pretty funny. He talks about "Stolen Land" using STOLEN RHETORIC. His is just like and unmistakeably TAKEN directly from the rhetoric of racists/Whites. It even comes out of the same sentiment. 13

Dude is so full of RHETORIC, he has even proposed a virtual Back To Africa or repatriation plan but was quick to say he, personally, wasn't going to participate in his own plan.

In other words, he's subject to say anything no matter how stupid he makes himself sound.


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"So the political philosophy of Black Nationalism only means that we will have to carry on a program, a political program, of re-education to open our people's eyes, make us become more politically conscious, politically mature, and then we will -- whenever we get ready to cast our ballot, that ballot will be -- will be cast for a man of the community who has the good of the community of heart."


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"I'm no politician. I'm not even a student of politics. I'm not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor an American... when I speak, I don't speak as a Democrat, or a Republican, nor an American. I speak as a victim of America's so-called democracy. You and I have never seen democracy; all we've seen is hypocrisy."


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"...black victims of Americanism are waking up and they're gaining a new political consciousness, becoming politically mature. And as they... develop this political maturity, they're able to see the recent trends in these political elections. They see that the whites are so evenly divided that every time they vote the race is so close they have to go back and count the votes all over again. And that...which means that any block, any minority that has a block of votes that stick together is in a strategic position. Either way you go, that's who gets it... You're in a position to determine who will go to the White House and who will stay in the dog house. You're the one who has that power."


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They're playing a giant con game, a political con game. You know how it goes. One of them -- One of them comes to you and makes believe he's for you, and he's in cahoots with the other one that's not for you. Why? Because neither one of them is for you, but they got to make you go with one of them or the other. So this is a con game. And this is what they've been doing with you and me all these years.



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I thought it was particularly interesting as many - falsely - characterize Malcolm's actions as outside of, or counter to, "the system".


"You put them first, and they put you last, 'cause you're a chump, a political chump."


"You don't have a revolution in which you love your enemy, and you don't have a revolution in which you are begging the system of exploitation to integrate you into it. Revolutions overturn systems. Revolutions destroy systems."


"As long as you're fighting on the level of civil rights, you're under Uncle Sam's jurisdiction. You're going to his court expecting him to correct the problem. He created the problem. He's the criminal. You don't take your case to the criminal; you take your criminal to court."


"He keeps us divided in order to conquer us. He tells you I'm for separation and you're for integration to keep us fighting with each other. No, I'm not for separation and you're not for integration. What you and I is for is freedom. Only you think that integration will get you freedom, I think separation will get me freedom. We both got the same objective. We just got different ways of getting at it."

GOD'S JUDGEMENT OF WHITE AMERICA (THE CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST)
December 4 , 1963


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In this deceitful American game of power politics, the Negroes (i.e., the race problem, the integration and civil rights issues) are nothing but tools, used by one group of whites called Liberals against another group of whites called Conservatives, either to get into power or to remain in power. Among whites here in America, the political teams are no longer divided into Democrats and Republicans. The whites who are now struggling for control of the American political throne are divided into "liberal" and "conservative" camps. The white liberals from both parties cross party lines to work together toward the same goal, and white conservatives from both parties do likewise.

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.

Politically the American Negro is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights. In this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the political politician of the American Negro, those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the Negro civil rights leaders. These "leaders" sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains. These "leaders" are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders.


http://www.malcolmxonline.com/speeches-gods-judgement.html

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