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Is anyone concerned with the amount of imports from China? Would you be concerned if China was the world's superpower and tried to exert its power on other countries and the United States?

Take a poll around your house. Look at 10 items and see how many are made in China. The numbers are different for everyone, but it is something to consider that China could rule the world in the future, monetary and by force. They currently outnumber our military in people, not technology.

They do not have a good human rights policy.

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Personally,

A change in the old guard would be welcome. I'm no more scared of China becoming a superpower than the few European/White Elite males from the West that are running(into the ground) the planet, in their pursuit of a Western corporate empire as we speak, that sucks the life blood(natural resources) out of the rest of the planet(so-called 3rd world) and put this country in a state of pursuing constant imperial(oil) wars under the false montra of 'regime change' and/or 'war on teror'. Damn vampires.

China is not the boogyman. The Red scare thing is over. Don't believe the hype. Don't give into our oppressors propoganda of fear.

If Asia gives the U.S./Western powers(a.k.a not the little guy) a run for their money, why would that bother African/Black folks?

Nothing gets into this country that doesn't benefit Western corporate power. If their is a high rate of Chinese import...follow the money. Someone in the country is benefitting... That's who should be checked...not China.
Fostering Goodwill With Jobs
In South Carolina, a Chinese factory wins friends, a trend that is part of that country's efforts to boost its image in the United States.
By Evelyn Iritani
Times Staff Writer

July 31, 2005

CAMDEN, S.C. "” This sleepy town of quaint colonial homes and Revolutionary War battle sites is an unlikely champion for China.

It's the oldest inland city in South Carolina, a state devastated by competition from low-cost Chinese textiles. The state's most powerful politicians, including the late Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond, led the fight to keep out cheap goods from China and other countries.

But Camden, population 6,700, is also the home of the first U.S. refrigerator factory for China's Haier Group, a fast-growing appliance maker known as the General Electric of China.

The plant's 225 jobs, with promises of more, explain why people here view China with greater enthusiasm than do those in Washington, where a rising trade deficit and a Chinese bid to buy El Segundo-based oil company Unocal Corp. have sparked concerns that China is bent on supplanting America economically and politically.

After some initial missteps, Haier has earned a reputation here as a good employer whose workers make a decent living.

"Our relationship with Haier has been a very positive thing," said Steve Kelly, chairman of the Kershaw County Council. "It's helped our community."

"I'm very, very impressed that they're here," said James Bennett, 62, owner of a tiny downtown barbershop, of the 5-year-old, $40-million Haier complex. "Hopefully, they won't just pick up and leave."

Indeed, analysts say, Chinese companies flush with cash and eager to get a foothold in the U.S. are primed to build or buy U.S. factories and companies. China's July 21 revaluation of its currency, the yuan, is expected to accelerate that trend by making American assets relatively cheaper for Chinese buyers. Their additional investments in America offer the potential to save or create thousands of jobs "” building goodwill in the process.

In Minnesota, an investment by a Chinese company in a shuttered iron mine resurrected 400 jobs, winning praise from residents and politicians.

The positive feelings here toward Haier and the Chinese also illustrate a significant transformation underway in the Deep South. Although this state is often portrayed as a protectionist enclave, South Carolina has quietly transformed itself into one of the country's most international regions. Aside from Hawaii, South Carolina has the highest percentage of foreign investment per capita. Nearly one-third of Camden's manufacturers, including several textile plants, are owned by foreigners.

"You've got people who are 50 years old and plus, who still have kids in school and still have car payments," said Camden Mayor Mary Clark. "Are they bitter about their jobs going to China? You bet they are. But if that Chinese company moved into town, they'd be tickled pink to work for them."

To be sure, emotions still run high here in textile country, as was evidenced by the fierce battle over the proposed Central American Free Trade Agreement, which critics said would lead to further losses of textile jobs. Southern politicians, like their constituents, were divided over that trade pact, which the House voted Wednesday to ratify.

Camden, like many small Southern towns, could easily have become a victim of its textile past. After surviving the Revolutionary and Civil wars, the town became a center for steeplechase racing and polo. Textile factories migrated from the North, attracted by the low wages.

But under pressure to cut costs, textile companies such as Dupont, the town's leading employer, began shedding jobs by the hundreds, pushing the unemployment rate above 8%. Many of those jobs moved to cheaper foreign producers, particularly after the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1994.

In the 1990s, the town found its savior in an unlikely place. Japanese automakers "” faced with the threat of tariffs by the U.S. and armed with a strengthening yen "” began setting up auto plants in the South. The Europeans followed. Camden and other small towns benefited from the spillover, as foreign auto parts suppliers gravitated to the region, attracted by cheap operating costs, low wages and nonunionized workers.

"We had the politicians tell us, 'If you lose the textile mills, you've lost South Carolina,' " said Samuel Small, of First Palmetto Savings Bank. "But the politicians were holding us back."

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, an outspoken proponent of free trade, not only doesn't want to hold the state back "” he has turned political tensions surrounding China's trade practices to the state's advantage.

During a trip to China last fall, the Republican governor told Chinese officials that the best way to defuse the growing animosity in Washington was to increase their purchases of Southern products and create jobs in South Carolina, which has the nation's fourth-highest unemployment rate.

At least three Chinese trade delegations have since visited the state.

"You can go to make an investment in Nebraska, but you really don't pick up a whole lot of political currency in that equation," Sanford said. "If you go to the epicenter, where the jobs have been lost "” and we indeed have been the epicenter "” it allows people in public policy to offer a counterpoint to those who want to raise the walls."

South Carolina wasn't originally on Haier's radar. In 1998, China's Communist leaders, vying for a coveted membership in the powerful World Trade Organization, were encouraging their biggest firms to go global. Zhang Ruimin, the executive who turned struggling state-owned Haier into one of China's leading appliance makers, had his sights set on the U.S. market.

Ronald Vergnolle, a young lawyer from nearby Greenville, S.C., was hired by Haier to evaluate several possible sites for a U.S. factory. At a cocktail party in Camden, his wife's hometown, Vergnolle mentioned his assignment to Charlie Nash, an insurance executive and old family friend. Within days, Nash and others put together an incentive package that included a $370,000 tax break on a 110-acre site owned by the county.

Haier could make its refrigerators in China and ship them across the Pacific for less than the cost of producing them in even the cheapest U.S. location, Vergnolle said. But, he said, the chief purpose of the U.S. factory was to boost China's image on the global stage. Though Haier has built just one factory, and operates a distribution facility in a nearby town, it has talked about building as many as five factories in Camden that would produce a wide range of appliances.

"The Haier plant is in Camden to give the Chinese government a showpiece to demonstrate to the world that they can compete in a capitalist environment," Vergnolle said. "Money is not necessarily a motivating factor."

Prior to Haier's arrival, racial issues in this predominantly white community were viewed through a black-white prism. Camden had little exposure to Chinese people, aside from a couple of restaurant owners.

On April 5, 2001, in the midst of a tense standoff between the U.S. and China over a downed spy plane, Haier Chairman Zhang arrived in Camden for a grand-opening celebration. Mayor Clark presented him with a gold key to the city and a copy of the Haier Boulevard street sign, which is now in the company museum in China.

Since that event, Haier has operated below the radar, according to locals. When Haier's Chinese managers first moved to Camden, they rented a house across the highway from the plant and were rarely seen in town. Haier has contributed appliances to fundraising events, but its executives haven't joined community groups or charitable organizations.

Surprisingly little anti-Chinese sentiment has surfaced, according to locals. Early on, someone called conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh and complained that the Chinese flag was flying higher than the American flag outside the Haier factory. "Of course, it wasn't," said the mayor.

Not that Haier's foray into America was problem-free.

Like other foreign firms, Haier had a steep learning curve, faced with U.S. building codes and environmental regulations, labor laws and local customs, such as the high rate of absenteeism on the first day of deer hunting season. But the most serious issue for the Chinese managers was managing a diverse, independent American work force, Camden officials said.

Haier's chief executive was well-known in China for promoting a more Western-style of management in which workers were held responsible for their output and rewarded accordingly. At Haier's main factory in Qingdao, a daily tally was kept of each employee's mistakes, and the worst offenders were forced to repent, according to media reports.

Nelson Lindsay, Kershaw County's director of economic development, said the company's Chinese managers quickly discovered that their American workers would quit rather than be publicly humiliated. The situation improved dramatically after Haier brought in American managers. Haier no longer has any Chinese executives, and only a few Chinese technicians, at the Camden facility, according to Lindsay and others.

Officials at Haier America's headquarters in New York and at its Camden factory, refused interview requests for this article.

From the outside, there's little that sets Haier's Camden factory apart from its U.S. neighbors. The lobby is decorated with the Haier name, and beneath it, in pink Chinese characters, is the slogan "Everlasting Sincere Heart." The showroom, which highlights the factory's progress from producing small, dorm-style refrigerators to large, stainless steel models, features inspirational writings in Chinese and English.

Steven Lee, pastor of the Mount Olive Baptist Church, one of 95 churches in Kershaw County, said he had never met any of Haier's Chinese staff. Several employees attend his church, which is directly across the highway from the plant, and he has heard some grumbling about unscheduled layoffs.

But he said most Camden residents seemed pleased to have another large employer, regardless of its nationality. With starting wages of about $11 an hour "” about average for manufacturing jobs in town "” Haier employees can live comfortably in a town where a new three-bedroom home can be purchased for less than $150,000.

That doesn't mean that Lee, and others in Camden, don't have complaints about China. Lee said he didn't like China's harsh treatment of Christians and was appalled by reports that some Chinese factories might be using slave labor to produce goods. But he doesn't hold those things against Haier, which he considers a good neighbor.

"I hear more complaints about Dupont than Haier," he said, referring to the region's biggest textile facility, which is now owned by Invista.

Other Chinese forays into the U.S. economy have followed a similar pattern. Until the latest bids, the Chinese have avoided making the high-profile purchases that triggered resentment against Japan two decades ago, such as Sony Corp.'s 1989 purchase of Columbia Pictures.

When Laiwu Steel Group became part owner of a bankrupt mining firm in Minnesota, the Chinese company turned over management of the mine to Cleveland Cliffs, its American partner. That investment, which resulted in the saving of 400 jobs, has been supported by local officials and the steelworkers union.

Jobs are the trump card. Though textile factories continue to disappear, Camden officials have watched their unemployment rate creep downward. Two years ago, Target opened an $85-million distribution center, employing 600 people. Hengst GmbH & Co., a German auto filter manufacturer, is investing $12 million in a factory that will employ 60 people.

Haier's recent bid for Maytag Corp., based in Newton, Iowa, had raised questions about whether the Chinese company would revise its plans to expand in Camden. But Haier withdrew the Maytag bid July 19.

Steve Kelly, the Kershaw County Council chairman, said Haier officials discussed possible expansion of the Camden facility at a recent dinner.

"They're positioning themselves to move forward," Kelly said. "We want Haier America not to be here for just two or three years. We want Haier America to go on and on."
Kevin,

Your article mentioned the UNOCAL debacle in California. For anyone who hasn't heard of it, UNOCAL, a medium sized U.S. oil company based in California has moderate oil reserves and significant natural gas holdings in Asia and the Gulf of Mexico.

Anyway, UNOCAL was put on the block in early April and Chevron Oil initially bid $16.4 bn. for it. China's National Oil Company, CNOOC'came along and outbid Chevron by $2 bn. CNOOC is based in Hong Kong, but approx. 70% of it's stock is owned by the Chinese government and the other 30% is traded on the NYSE (CEO).

CNOOC, also made other concessions saying they would retain all of UNOCAL employees, something that Chevon will be unlikely to do.

Enter all of the media China-phobics, and all of the politico and suddenly we ain't so free-trade minded anymore. CNOOc is good enough to be traded on the NYSE, but when it comes to owning a U.S. Oil company... well, that's a different matter. Someone made the comment that if Royal Dutch Shell had made the same offer as CNOOC, UNOCAL would belong to the Netherlands now.

Of course, all of the "be afraidnics" came rolling out of the woodwork, and a lot of "be afraid of China" articles made the rounds and the whole thing became politisized. The end result is that CNOOC, after two months of struggling, withdrew it's offer yesterday morning.

We talk a good game, competition and all that, but we really don't want it.

IMO, Chinese investment in the U.S. is a good thing. It fosters understanding between people that share a mutual interest, the well-being of the company. Also, it creates jobs. And as your article pointed-out, the Chinese are good employerers for the most part and are willing to learn.

source: http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2005/08/02/ap2168196.html
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"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
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I anyone needs convincing refer to the Little League Baseball World Series.

Taiwan won year after year after year.

The United States Little League Association prohibited them from competitive.

Only worldwide shame made them relent.

We need to be building estate value across generations. I know there was a thread on this.

I know Oprah has her Florida residence already in place.

Others of such proximate wealth are hopefuly doing similar things.

PEACE

Jim Chester

PEACE

Jim Chester
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I anyone needs convincing refer to the Little League Baseball World Series.

Taiwan won year after year after year.

The United States Little League Association prohibited them from competitive.

Only worldwide shame made them relent.


Yah, I remember that one, JWC. What a national shame. The U.S. needs to learn to practice what they preach, in more ways then one.
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I agree wholeheartedly with Oshun Offset on this one. The Chinese are not the boogeymen. In fact, Chinese love black folks. Everytime The Harlem Globetrotters play in China, they get packed arenas of screaming and laughing Chinese.

Plus, in keeping with the black dream of ABW (Anybody But Whitey), I believe the Chinese will make excellent new masters for the black people of the earth.

Finally, to popcorn: Don't worry about any future "shameful" disputes in little league baseball. If there is a problem, the Chinese Communist Party Committee on Baseball Contests and Cereal Exports will settle it quickly. Expect a few heads to roll. But no big deal. So long as it's ABW.

By the way, did you know the first emperor of China was a black man?
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
Is anyone concerned with the amount of imports from China? Would you be concerned if China was the world's superpower and tried to exert its power on other countries and the United States?

Take a poll around your house. Look at 10 items and see how many are made in China. The numbers are different for everyone, but it is something to consider that China could rule the world in the future, monetary and by force. They currently outnumber our military in people, not technology.

They do not have a good human rights policy.



Saw a report on the news other month...
Said China's growing at an alarming rate.
Asked the question, "Will china top US as world superpower?"
That would be a trip, but I can't say I'm all that concerned.
sad I'm already broker than MJ's nose.
Smile That's why most of my stuff says 'made in China'. (99cent store).
It is what it is.
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I anyone needs convincing refer to the Little League Baseball World Series.

Taiwan won year after year after year.

The United States Little League Association prohibited them from competitive.

Only worldwide shame made them relent.


Yah, I remember that one, JWC. What a national shame. The U.S. needs to learn to practice what they preach, in more ways then one.
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"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
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I read the same thing about white-owned companies pulling out of the NY Marathon...because Kenyans kept winning all the time.....they ain't schit I tell ya......
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Originally posted by Popcorn:
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I anyone needs convincing refer to the Little League Baseball World Series.

Taiwan won year after year after year.

The United States Little League Association prohibited them from competitive.

Only worldwide shame made them relent.


Yah, I remember that one, JWC. What a national shame. The U.S. needs to learn to practice what they preach, in more ways then one.
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"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
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I read the same thing about white-owned companies pulling out of the NY Marathon...because Kenyans kept winning all the time.....they ain't schit I tell ya......

The U.S. gives lots of lip service to competition and all that crap, but they don't mean it unless the deck is stacked in their favor.

I had to laugh at this one RepubliCON politician when he protested the UNOCAL deal with China. He said and this is almost an exact quote: "The Chinese don't play fair; they're only out for themselves." Yah, that's right! "The Chinese don't play fair; they're only out for themselves".

I laughed until I was almost on the floor and thought, "look in the mirror, you Bozo".

They're back on their "be afraid" mantra. This time it's the Chinese. What they really mean is "I got all this power and property and investments to protect. The Chinese might cause me to lose some of it. My net worth might fall from $1bn to $500mil." Greedy-ass SOBs.

To paraphrase Mohammed Ali, "I ain't got nothin' against them Chinese." Beside, they have too many internal problems to worry about. They're more afraid of us and with good reason. The Pentagon has shifted targets and a lot of our ICBM's are now targeted on Chinese cities.

Yah, "be afraid". Lying SOB, Bush!!! Look what the "be afraid of Iraq" got us. Getting close to 2000 dead in Iraq, 15,000 wounded, and who knows how many dead Iraqis. All those Billions of dollars gone. With what they've spent, we could have sent every kid in this country to college. That's the real cost.

I'd say a few of my private thoughts about Bush here but I'd be committing a Federal crime.

I'm more afraid of my own government than I am of the Chinese. I see a cop, and this slight, ever so slight feeling of uneasiness goes through me.

I saw where the Army for like the 3erd or 4th time has fallen short of enlistments again. Way at the bottom of the article, there was a few sentences about the possibility of the draft.

"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
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Yah, "be afraid". Lying SOB, Bush!!! Look what the "be afraid of Iraq" got us. Getting close to 2000 dead in Iraq, 15,000 wounded, and who knows how many dead Iraqis. All those Billions of dollars gone. With what they've spent, we could have sent every kid in this country to college. That's the real cost.
Truth be told, Iraq is the China Prevention policy. The Unocal deal seems to have undermined the Iraqi deal...
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Yah, "be afraid". Lying SOB, Bush!!! Look what the "be afraid of Iraq" got us. Getting close to 2000 dead in Iraq, 15,000 wounded, and who knows how many dead Iraqis. All those Billions of dollars gone. With what they've spent, we could have sent every kid in this country to college. That's the real cost.
Truth be told, Iraq is the China Prevention policy. The Unocal deal seems to have undermined the Iraqi deal...


Good point, Nmaginate. I'm greatly saddened by the deaths of 20 Marines in just the last two day. Asshole! Fucking, chickenshit, asshole. Couldn't even do his boy-scout National Guard Service, now sending hundreds to their deaths. War's lots of fun when you don't have to worry about getting killed.

Get's into Yale because of Daddy and he can barely read. His cumulative average at Yale was 77. What is that, a "solid C"? And he opposes AA for Black kids who could realy make a difference. Bastard!!
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Popcorn,

Please let me co-sign on all of that....they ain't schit....let people die for their riches and let other people remain inpoverished for that very same reason...and you have country full of flag-waving (less and less each day) idiots and a loyal negro lackey following....that allowed this shit to happen....trying to identify with some brand of national whiteness that is supposed to represent the antithesis of black progressive thought......now these people are dying, the country is screwed with all social programs gone dry, their jobs are getting outsourced and then big business will hire illegals for lower wages....and watch and laugh at the dumb ass racist minutemen protesting to the wromg people...the sad part about it....is that we are all adversely affected by these dumb and/or racist azz people and THEIR decisions which are not even based on THEIR OWN self interest...they are the dumbest things to ever come from the insides of a woman.....damn.... bang
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Popcorn,

Please let me co-sign on all of that....they ain't schit....let people die for their riches and let other people remain inpoverished for that very same reason...and you have country full of flag-waving (less and less each day) idiots and a loyal negro lackey following....that allowed this shit to happen....trying to identify with some brand of national whiteness that is supposed to represent the antithesis of black progressive thought......now these people are dying, the country is screwed with all social programs gone dry, their jobs are getting outsourced and then big business will hire illegals for lower wages....and watch and laugh at the dumb ass racist minutemen protesting to the wromg people...the sad part about it....is that we are all adversely affected by these dumb and/or racist azz people and THEIR decisions which are not even based on THEIR OWN self interest...they are the dumbest things to ever come from the insides of a woman.....damn.... bang


I know. THERE NOT EVEN BASED ON THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST. Every day you read shit about all the people without medical insurance, social security drying up, people running across borders to get prescriptions and they go ahead and elect some asshole who spend $400bn or is it $500bn now?? on some worthless war just getting a lot of innocent people killed.

Half a trillion dollars. It's so much I can't even imagine it, there's no reference point. It could probably provide med insurance and fund SS for 100 years for every person in the US.

And get this. Almost three quarters of the dead soldiers in Iraq are white. I guess they don't care about their kids as long as they can fill-up their SUV for $2.00 a gallon.

source: http://icasualties.org/oif/ETHNICITY.aspx
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China is not the boogyman.


I dare a Chinese to burn the Chinese flag.


I guess it's not too popular here, either.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162684,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160443,00.html
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This is for Fox News!!!

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A week in jail is hardly comparable to Public executions


It appears that you are misinformed.

The most recent burning of the Chinese National Flag that I could document occured on China National Day in 2002.

In that case and on that day, Ng Kwok-hung burned the Chinese National Flag and was arrested for it.

"Ng was convicted and got a three-month suspended sentence", according to an article published by the UCLA Asia Institute.

On Google, I typed "China Flag Burning Execution" and "China Flag Burning Death". I could not find one news report in the listings of anyone who has been executed for flag burning in China.

There were, however, listings from Americans who want to make burning of the U.S. flag a capital offense.

If you have reliable documentation of people being executed in China for flag burning, I would like to see it. Otherwise, it is irresponsible to make such statements and post them on a public web site.

Source: http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=5326
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I honestly think that again this issue with China is just white people getting up in arms about someone being smarter, better than they. And sometimes we pick up on this attitude too.
China has two things, make that three, that the West doesn't have:
1) A Plan
2) Patience
3) Experience being a world power. They already know what it takes to dominate. Please somebody take high school world history....

That's all I have to say about the issue.
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I honestly think that again this issue with China is just white people getting up in arms about someone being smarter, better than they. And sometimes we pick up on this attitude too.


I second that. And who can fault a government that for the first time in maybe 1000 years has raised their people above the expectation of mass starvation every 50 or so years?

And the News Media......NBC/General Electric, CBS/Westinghouse, and FOX, with all their government and defense contracts, have a vested interest in keeping us all afraid.

And the Bush administration, with everything falling apart in Iraq and Afganistan, has to find another "be afraid" target to prop up his sagging popularity.
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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
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