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td6 Man, I have to hand it to the military. Despite living in a world where information is readily available from all kinds of sources at the speed of light, they have these young men firmly convinced they are fighting for and protecting "freedom." I wasn't aware that my freedom was being jeopardized by phantom weapons of mass destruction. If they had access to even a basic newspaper these cats would know that the entire world overwhelmingly cried out for them to stay home and out of harm's way. It was their own trigger-happy generals and leaders that shipped them off to die in vain. What unmitigated gall to turn around and say "F--- You" to the people protesting in the streets to keep them safe and not have their blood spilled for oil. I love soldiers. I love them so much I want them to stay home, lay down their weapons, and stop fighting for junk.

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"where would you be without war?
ya'll are so naïve"


How hilarious to have soldiers asking that question. The very people whose entire livelihood depends on war and strife. They depend on war much more than I ever do.

The cover art is disturbing and they sound like Eminem. With a little publicity, I'm sure their music will take off. I know BET or Fox would love to have this kind of thing playing on a continuous loop. Bonus points if they could find a way to film the video from inside a Black woman's thong. sck
Frenchy and OA,
I am glad that I am not the only one that was disturbed by the lyrics as well as the images associated with this recording.

I initially went with the emoticons because words were failing me at the time. I did not want to deny the experience of these young men and yet lamented the results of such an indoctrination process such that they are devoid of any serious critical engagement of what they are a part. Instead they see their participation in this in terms of a kind of machismo or hyper-masculinity associated with some distorted notion of what it means to be a man and a so-called patriot.

I just hope that this sentiment is a minority one. I also hope that this project is in no way glorified or construed in such a way as to recruit more black and brown people to become so much canon fodder in the unjust, illegal aggression from the "powers that be" quest for empire.
No country is perfect. Do you think the Civil War in America was to free slaves? NO. It was to make the Confederate States who were planning to split, remain as a group. Abe put the end of slavery out there as a threat. We wouldn't be free if it wasn't for WAR.

Just another example of the benefits associated with things you think are wrong.

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so here's a one way ticket, anywhere on this planet
i will not have you talk shit
while i die for your family
protecting our interests, but you don't understand them


cool
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The cover art is disturbing and they sound like Eminem. With a little publicity, I'm sure their music will take off. I know BET or Fox would love to have this kind of thing playing on a continuous loop. Bonus points if they could find a way to film the video from inside a Black woman's thong. sck


Actually they have been ignored by the outlets you mentioned. There is an article and video on the Newsweek website. Its as if no one wants to talk about the military or the security they provide. Amazing, huh?

Does anyone know someone back from Iraq? Most of the people there are glad Saddam and his murdeous sons are out of power. The problems are mostly from people outside the country. Yes the oil is a factor. If we didn't get control, China or Russia was working on it.

WAKE UP !!!
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Do you think the Civil War in America was to free slaves? NO. It was to make the Confederate States who were planning to split, remain as a group. Abe put the end of slavery out there as a threat. We wouldn't be free if it wasn't for WAR.


The Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves. It "freed" slaves it had no jurisdiction over. It was just a gesture, a smokescreen. Lincoln's Secretary of State said, "We show our symapthy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them."

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so here's a one way ticket, anywhere on this planet
i will not have you talk shit
while i die for your family
protecting our interests, but you don't understand them


That is what I think is delusional. Our interests are not being protected by this war. It is not my family they are dying for. We were never in any danger.
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Does anyone know someone back from Iraq?


Yes. I have an aunt currently there. A cousin who returned a short time ago. A brother in the Army. And a brother-in-law in the Navy.

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Most of the people there are glad Saddam and his murdeous sons are out of power.


Yes, but that doesn't mean they want to be under US rule. That doesn't mean they want thier land and resources taken over by the United States and its buddies. That doesn't mean they are grateful for the human rights violations perpetrated by US soldiers. That is not our land to divy up and contract out.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
That is what I think is delusional. Our interests are not being protected by this war. It is not my family they are dying for. We were never in any danger.


Is it possible that you or a family memeber could be riding on a bus or train and a terrorist cause a wreck? Is it possible the water supply be poisoned somewhere in the country and one of your family members intake the poison? Just some ideas of what could happen... Confused
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
Yes, but that doesn't mean they want to be under US rule. That doesn't mean they want thier land and resources taken over by the United States and its buddies. That doesn't mean they are grateful for the human rights violations perpetrated by US soldiers. That is not our land to divy up and contract out.


My understanding is they are having elections to put people in office that share their interests, along with ours Smile for the "emancipation" from the dicator. Hey, it came with a price.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves. It "freed" slaves it had no jurisdiction over. It was just a gesture, a smokescreen. Lincoln's Secretary of State said, "We show our symapthy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them."


"That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

Not sure what you mean by smokescreen. The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves,period, only because the South was acting up.

BTW, happy Juneteeth !!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves. It "freed" slaves it had no jurisdiction over. It was just a gesture, a smokescreen. Lincoln's Secretary of State said, "We show our symapthy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them."


"That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

Not sure what you mean by smokescreen. The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves,period, only because the South was acting up.

BTW, happy Juneteeth !!! Big Grin

It does not, however, free slaves that where not in states of the Confederacy.
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
Does anyone know someone back from Iraq? Most of the people there are glad Saddam and his murdeous sons are out of power. The problems are mostly from people outside the country. Yes the oil is a factor. If we didn't get control, China or Russia was working on it.

WAKE UP !!!

And you know this how? From Fox News. I am sure all the tens if not hundred of thousand innocent Iraqis who are dead through the actions of this country are inordinately grateful for their liberation from Saddam and his family. I am sure the same is true for the larger number of people injured, widowed, orphaned, homeless, trying to make it in a land whose infrastructure has been decimated.

As for Russia and China! You are the one who needs to WAKE UP. The Cold War has been over for a couple of decades now. There is no Red Menace. China and Russia have their hands full with their own people. They are not in the business of empire building. That project is embraced by certain parties in this country.
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Originally posted by kresge:
And you know this how? From Fox News.


Funny you mention this channel. I absolutely abhor it. Yuck!

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As for Russia and China! You are the one who needs to WAKE UP. The Cold War has been over for a couple of decades now.


Not! Russia and China has worked with Iraq for years in the Food for Oil program. We decided it was time for it to end. Superpower decision. And? Red Face
(Please don't get upset, just sharing my thought...)
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
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Originally posted by kresge:
It does not, however, free slaves that where not in states of the Confederacy.


Let's agree to disagree, but you need to fire the professor that taught you that. sad It clearly states the entire country. It wasn't the initial plan, only decided after two years of WAR.

"That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State

I think that you are the one that needs to read more thoroughly. It says,
"All persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free;"

What you are missing is the fact that the "all" in question are the states that are in rebellion. If you continue on reading the full document, this is quite clear, as the states/territories are named:

"Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued."
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
I deleted that post. It is my understanding there wasn't slavery in any other region but those listed.

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Your understanding is very limited dear. If you didn't even know slavery existed above the Mason Dixon line, and in the areas not listed, then you need to brush up on so called African-Amerikkkan, Amerikkkan, and all other forms of history(World international, colonial ect.) big time. Not knowing that little 'tidbit' of info calls into question what you 'do' know.

I suggest you start reading in general, especially in the other sectiona of this site to get a better understanding of what is going on internationally with the Amerikkkan foreign policy and with history.

Before you continue on such a blindly patriotic, pro- Iraq invasion/occupation note, I suggest you, at least, read some of these articles/posts.

BTW..How old are you?
http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/5501052472

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/3811087952

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/8441067652

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/5031033442
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
I deleted that post. It is my understanding there wasn't slavery in any other region but those listed.

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So are you admitting that you where wrong? Big Grin Wink It was the case that slaves in the border states; i.e., Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and West Virginia were not freed under the Emancipation Proclamation.
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
Is it possible that you or a family memeber could be riding on a bus or train and a terrorist cause a wreck? Is it possible the water supply be poisoned somewhere in the country and one of your family members intake the poison? Just some ideas of what could happen... Confused


But how does war prevent this?? Unless it's war aimed at disarming the entire world of anything that could potentially be used at a weapon, there is no way to safeguard against terrorism. The initial goal of this war (attack, really) was to get rid of weapons of mass destruction. None were found and we started to hear all kinds of mishmash confusing Al Quaeda's actions with Saddam's. Then the govt came up with the idea of spreading democracy. There was never any clear plan for even attempting to safeguard the American public from future terrorist attacks. They've been all over the place trying to justify why they're over there.

I don't put much stock in those elections and the puppet elected. They will never have a government that looks out for their best interests while they are being occupied by US forces.

DivineJoy, do you have family or friends who are in the military?
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
Did anyone listen to the samples or order this? I ordered last Monday, and received the CD on Saturday. It is great! Over the top! I am so excited by this project.

My favorite songs are: live from iraq, matter of time, fuckem, integrity, i ride, and testament of a soldier.

Here's the lyrics to " testament of a soldier ".

Hug a Vet!


Oh well, I have to give them 2 thumbs up tfro tfro just b/c of the bond of the military in times like these.......


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