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Latino Ethnic Cleansing of African Americans
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THE ACRIMONIOUS relationship between Latinos and African Americans in Los Angeles is growing hard to ignore. Although last weekend's black-versus-Latino race riot at Chino state prison is unfortunately not an aberration, the Dec. 15 murder in the Harbor Gateway neighborhood of Cheryl Green, a 14-year-old African American, allegedly by members of a Latino gang, was shocking.

Yet there was nothing really new about it. Rather, the murder was a manifestation of an increasingly common trend: Latino ethnic cleansing of African Americans from multiracial neighborhoods. Just last August, federal prosecutors convicted four Latino gang members of engaging in a six-year conspiracy to assault and murder African Americans in Highland Park. During the trial, prosecutors demonstrated that African American residents (with no gang ties at all) were being terrorized in an effort to force them out of a neighborhood now perceived as Latino.

For example, one African American resident was murdered by Latino gang members as he looked for a parking space near his Highland Park home. In another case, a woman was knocked off her bicycle and her husband was threatened with a box cutter by one of the defendants, who said, "You niggers have been here long enough."

At first blush, it may be mystifying why such animosity exists between two ethnic groups that share so many of the same socioeconomic deprivations. Over the years, the hostility has been explained as a natural reaction to competition for blue-collar jobs in a tight labor market, or as the result of turf battles and cultural disputes in changing neighborhoods. Others have suggested that perhaps Latinos have simply been adept at learning the U.S. lesson of anti-black racism, or that perhaps black Americans are resentful at having the benefits of the civil rights movement extended to Latinos.

Although there may be a degree of truth to some or all of these explanations, they are insufficient to explain the extremity of the ethnic violence.

Over the years, there's also been a tendency on the part of observers to blame the conflict more on African Americans (who are often portrayed as the aggressors) than on Latinos. But although it's certainly true that there's plenty of blame to go around, it's important not to ignore the effect of Latino culture and history in fueling the rift.

The fact is that racism ג€" and anti-black racism in particular ג€" is a pervasive and historically entrenched reality of life in Latin America and the Caribbean. More than 90% of the approximately 10 million enslaved Africans brought to the Americas were taken to Latin America and the Caribbean (by the French, Spanish and British, primarily), whereas only 4.6% were brought to the United States. By 1793, colonial Mexico had a population of 370,000 Africans (and descendants of Africans) ג€" the largest concentration in all of Spanish America.

The legacy of the slave period in Latin America and the Caribbean is similar to that in the United States: Having lighter skin and European features increases the chances of socioeconomic opportunity, while having darker skin and African features severely limits social mobility.

White supremacy is deeply ingrained in Latin America and continues into the present. In Mexico, for instance, citizens of African descent (who are estimated to make up 1% of the population) report that they regularly experience racial harassment at the hands of local and state police, according to recent studies by Antonieta Gimeno, then of Mount Holyoke College, and Sagrario Cruz-Carretero of the University of Veracruz.

Mexican public discourse reflects the hostility toward blackness; consider such common phrases as "getting black" to denote getting angry, and "a supper of blacks" to describe a riotous gathering of people. Similarly, the word "black" is often used to mean "ugly." It is not surprising that Mexicans who have been surveyed indicate a disinclination to marry darker-skinned partners, as reported in a 2001 study by Bobby Vaughn, an anthropology professor at Notre Dame de Namur University.

Anti-black sentiment also manifests itself in Mexican politics. During the 2001 elections, for instance, Lazaro Cardenas, a candidate for governor of the state of Michoacan, is believed to have lost substantial support among voters for having an Afro Cuban wife. Even though Cardenas had great name recognition (as the grandson of Mexico's most popular president), he only won by 5 percentage points ג€" largely because of the anti-black platform of his opponent, Alfredo Anaya, who said that "there is a great feeling that we want to be governed by our own race, by our own people."

Given this, it should not be surprising that migrants from Mexico and other areas of Latin America and the Caribbean arrive in the U.S. carrying the baggage of racism. Nor that this facet of Latino culture is in turn transmitted, to some degree, to younger generations along with all other manifestations of the culture.

The sociological concept of "social distance" measures the unease one ethnic or racial group has for interacting with another. Social science studies of Latino racial attitudes often indicate a preference for maintaining social distance from African Americans. And although the social distance level is largest for recent immigrants, more established communities of Latinos in the United States also show a marked social distance from African Americans.

For instance, in University of Houston sociologist Tatcho Mindiola's 2002 survey of 600 Latinos in Houston (two-thirds of whom were Mexican, the remainder Salvadoran and Colombian) and 600 African Americans, the African Americans had substantially more positive views of Latinos than Latinos had of African Americans. Although a slim majority of the U.S.-born Latinos used positive identifiers when describing African Americans, only a minority of the foreign-born Latinos did so. One typical foreign-born Latino respondent stated: "I just don't trust themג€¦. The men, especially, all use drugs, and they all carry guns."

This same study found that 46% of Latino immigrants who lived in residential neighborhoods with African Americans reported almost no interaction with them.

The social distance of Latinos from African Americans is consistently reflected in Latino responses to survey questions. In a 2000 study of residential segregation, Camille Zubrinsky Charles, a sociology professor at the University of Pennsylvania, found that Latinos were more likely to reject African Americans as neighbors than they were to reject members of other racial groups. In addition, in the 1999-2000 Lilly Survey of American Attitudes and Friendships, Latinos identified African Americans as their least desirable marriage partners, whereas African Americans proved to be more accepting of intermarriage with Latinos.

Ironically, African Americans, who are often depicted as being averse to coalition-building with Latinos, have repeatedly demonstrated in their survey responses that they feel less hostility toward Latinos than Latinos feel toward them.

Although some commentators have attributed the Latino hostility to African Americans to the stress of competition in the job market, a 1996 sociological study of racial group competition suggests otherwise. In a study of 477 Latinos from the 1992 Los Angeles County Social Survey, professors Lawrence Bobo, then of Harvard, and Vincent Hutchings of the University of Michigan found that underlying prejudices and existing animosities contribute to the perception that African Americans pose an economic threat ג€" not the other way around.

It is certainly true that the acrimony between African Americans and Latinos cannot be resolved until both sides address their own unconscious biases about one another. But it would be a mistake to ignore the Latino side of the equation as some observers have done ג€" particularly now, when the recent violence in Los Angeles has involved Latinos targeting peaceful African American citizens.

This conflict cannot be sloughed off as simply another generation of ethnic group competition in the United States (like the familiar rivalries between Irish, Italians and Jews in the early part of the last century). Rather, as the violence grows, the "diasporic" origins of the anti-black sentiment ג€" the entrenched anti-black prejudice among Latinos that exists not just in the United States but across the Americas ג€" will need to be directly confronted.


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Excellent post and exactly on point, imo. And one of the reasons why I am against amnesty for illegal aliens. The majority of these illegal aliens are Mexicans/Hispanics.

I live in California so I see their RACISM against black folk, first hand. These "brown" people [a lot of whom are ILLEGAL ALIENS] are not trying to "unite" with "black" people, they've chosen to take the LOW ROAD instead, by murdering us & our children ... running us out of our neighborhoods... and our children out of the schools.

I've said it many times before and the above article merely confirms my observation - illegal aliens come here with their OWN brand of racism & racial hatred toward black people [again, I'm speaking of Mexicans because there are MORE of them in this country illegally]. How many us have to die before BLACK PEOPLE wake up? These particular "brown" people are NOT trying to "unite" with us.

This is why I will continue to protest against amnesty for illegal aliens, as well as 'benefits' they simply are NOT entitled to [in this country], or shouldn't be.

Let them take their racial hatred back across the border to their own country. There's enough of it here already. The police have been killing black folk for years...black gang members are killing black folk ... NOW hispanics are killing black folk [and a lot of these hispanics shouldn't even be here] - pretty soon black folk [in California anyway] WILL be completely wiped out, one way or another with so many haters-so many 'enemies' to black life.

Right now, black folk 'loyalty' should be to the benefit of our OWN people, and our OWN quality of life. A life which a lot of black folk have had taken away from them violently, by the 'new' enemy to black life - "Hispanic" gang members.
there is not a group of people on the planet that does not hate black people. give all the credit to xtianity. imo racism is first taught in sunday school, when you are shown all the caucasian divinity pictures.

i think this articl kind of over states things. i live in california as well, and i have never been the victim of mexican racism. i think things are changing because their numbers are increasing (daily).
Closer to the reality of it, each respective community, the exception being our own community seeks to uplift and protects its own best interests.

Indeed there is racism between or within ethnic groups, be it from Hispanics, Caucasians, from immigrants who are Chinese, Korean, etc., and/or Black people against themselves, and/or Blacks against others.

With respect to the most recent march against illegal immigrants here in Los Angeles, the very individuals leading the March, Sunday March 25, 2007, did not attack illegal immigration in general, but rather restrict there protest to Hispanic Illegal Immigration. Heck, there are numerous Black illegal immigrants from Somalia, Cuba, Haiti, Nigeria, Jamaica, etc., etc., who enter the U.S. illegally, to which Black U.S. citizens have allowed to take charge of the Black community, at the expense of the law abiding in the Black community.

It is not rocket science that the Black community is in fact the weakest link, in that any illegal immigrant can enter any Black community and be promoted by the Black community itself, at the expense of the Black community.

Blaqfist fails to mention the fact that the communities of South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Watts, from 1965 until the late '80s were in fact predominately Black communities. Black middleclass flight, an inept elected Black leadership, a dysfunctional Black electorate, lack of competent representation, the self destructive nature of the Black community is driving the Black community into extinction.

Unlike the Black community which have lost clout is South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Watts, etc., etc., Hispanics still predominate and control East Los Angeles, a community that has been Hispanic for many years. Blakfist is only fooling himself, because all an individual needs to do is look around and it is very obvious that the Black community is in fact losing ground to Hispanics, and/or other illegal, undocumented, and/or legal immigrants, be it from those who are here legally, to the many illegal immigrants who are displacing Black people.

AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

"Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


Federal Law, specifically the U.S. Constitution, prohibits a non U.S. citizen from holding the position of President, U.S. Congress, U.S. Senator, etc.

Heck the Los Angeles Sentinel, one of the largest Black owned newspapers on the West Coast, published an article entitled, "Dymally Slated at First", Thursday, September 6, 1990, that states that then 31st District of California Congressman Merv Dymally, is a native of Trinidad, West Indies, which means Dymally is not a naturalized U.S. citizen. Naturalized U.S. citizen and native of Trinidad/West Indies are not synonomous in meaning.

"ARTICLE XI.

Miscellaneous Provisions.

Sec. 18. Laws shall be made to exclude from office, serving on juries, and from the right of suffrage, those who shall hereafter be convicted of bribery, perjury, forgery, or other high crimes. The privilege of free suffrage shall be supported by laws regulating elections, and prohibiting, under adequate penalties, all undue influence thereon from power, bribery, tumult, or other improper practice.

ARTICLE XII.

Sec. 5. Every citizen of California, declared a legal voter by this Constitution, and every citizen of the United States, a resident of this State on the day of election, shall be entitled to vote at the first general election under this Constitution, and on the question of the adoption thereof."


Heck, by the Constitution of the State of California, illegal immigrants, immigrants who are not U.S. citizens, and felons, do not have the right to vote, let alone hold elected office.

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I also live in California, and have resided in Los Angeles, during both the riot of 1965 and the riot of 1992, and have witnessed it first hand. Racism, or disrespectful behavior can come from Hispanics toward Blacks, Blacks toward Hispanics, Koreans against Blacks, Blacks against Koreans, Caucasians toward Blacks, Blacks toward Caucasians, Jews toward Blacks, Blacks toward Jews, Blacks toward other Blacks, illegal immigrant Blacks against U.S. Born Blacks, Blacks against others, etc.

Now those who marched, did not march against illegal immigration in general, but instead they marched in protest against Hispanic illegal immigration.

Mind you, illegal immigrant Hispanics, are not the only illegal immigrants who exist in the U.S., or who are taking charge of the Black community!
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Dear readers,

if y'all would read through this thread, you'd find: NOBODY said 'hispanics' were the 'only' illegal aliens in this country. Personally, I made myself VERY CLEAR several times in my post [as to what *I* was addressing].

My comments addressed the points made in the ORIGINAL POST, period!

Maybe there's an INVISIBLE post somewhere in this thread [written by an INVISIBLE person], that I 'personally' didn't see, read, & somehow missed.

The original article 'itself' is SELF EXPLANTORY.
Regarding the above this maybe the opinion of Stanley Crouch may shed some light on this topic:


Stanley Crouch
Third World Unity?
Sorry, It's Just a Dream

THERE is a lot of talk about immigration in New York these days. Because of growing Latin and Asian populations, the ethnic texture of this city -- already so much richer than any other in the nation -- is being modified.


On one level -- that of ongoing vitality -- this is good for the city, just as it is good for the nation. But black Americans needn't be as reverent about immigration as are people of European descent whose presence in this country goes back no more than, say, 150 years. Research shows that black Americans have advanced most when there was little or no immigration. So the Negro should look at this phenomenon both rationally and strategically.


I say this because Afro-Americans in positions of leadership too often succumb to the sentimental dream of Third World unity. The dream, which has evolved over the decades, is that people who are either not white or who come from places outside of Europe will merge to work against the barriers of bigotry.


What happens, however, is that groups that make it economically and socially abandon the Third World for the white world. So long, solidarity. And black people usually end up holding the bag.


Much of this results from confusion in the wake of the civil rights movement and the emergence of excessive identification with foreign nations on the basis of color. Some refer to this as "the black consciousness movement." The problem with this Pan-African concept is that the history of black Americans is quite different from that of the people who were colonized in Africa or the Caribbean. None of those people had the same fundamental impact on their colonizers as did black Americans on this nation's development.


The forward motion of black people in this land often has to do with coalitions forged with the broad majority of the country. The dream of forging some other alliance has not served black American political interests particularly well.


Take, for example, the way the Third World game played itself out in the affirmative action arena. Affirmative action was originally intended to help blacks compete in the American system after being handicapped by 300 years of slavery and oppression. But it wound up so that anybody who wasn't white could stick out a hand and demand admission to a university -- or a contract or some other benefit. Women got into the affirmative action game, too, and as things have gone, white women have gained more from it than anybody else.


None of this is meant to encourage ethnic hostility or paranoia. What I think is that black leaders should realize that celebrating the long history of black and white Americans together -- while still criticizing that history's faults -- might be the best protection against blacks' getting shoved out of the picture as other ethnic groups grow in size.


Never be so naive as to expect those who have no long history with you to feel responsible to you on the basis of a "common" enemy.
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Regarding the above this maybe the opinion of Stanley Crouch may shed some light on this topic:


Stanley Crouch
Third World Unity?
Sorry, It's Just a Dream

THERE is a lot of talk about immigration in New York these days. Because of growing Latin and Asian populations, the ethnic texture of this city -- already so much richer than any other in the nation -- is being modified.


On one level -- that of ongoing vitality -- this is good for the city, just as it is good for the nation. But black Americans needn't be as reverent about immigration as are people of European descent whose presence in this country goes back no more than, say, 150 years. Research shows that black Americans have advanced most when there was little or no immigration. So the Negro should look at this phenomenon both rationally and strategically.


I say this because Afro-Americans in positions of leadership too often succumb to the sentimental dream of Third World unity. The dream, which has evolved over the decades, is that people who are either not white or who come from places outside of Europe will merge to work against the barriers of bigotry.


What happens, however, is that groups that make it economically and socially abandon the Third World for the white world. So long, solidarity. And black people usually end up holding the bag.


Much of this results from confusion in the wake of the civil rights movement and the emergence of excessive identification with foreign nations on the basis of color. Some refer to this as "the black consciousness movement." The problem with this Pan-African concept is that the history of black Americans is quite different from that of the people who were colonized in Africa or the Caribbean. None of those people had the same fundamental impact on their colonizers as did black Americans on this nation's development.


The forward motion of black people in this land often has to do with coalitions forged with the broad majority of the country. The dream of forging some other alliance has not served black American political interests particularly well.


Take, for example, the way the Third World game played itself out in the affirmative action arena. Affirmative action was originally intended to help blacks compete in the American system after being handicapped by 300 years of slavery and oppression. But it wound up so that anybody who wasn't white could stick out a hand and demand admission to a university -- or a contract or some other benefit. Women got into the affirmative action game, too, and as things have gone, white women have gained more from it than anybody else.


None of this is meant to encourage ethnic hostility or paranoia. What I think is that black leaders should realize that celebrating the long history of black and white Americans together -- while still criticizing that history's faults -- might be the best protection against blacks' getting shoved out of the picture as other ethnic groups grow in size.


Never be so naive as to expect those who have no long history with you to feel responsible to you on the basis of a "common" enemy.


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Great points!
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
Dear readers,

if y'all would read through this thread, you'd find: NOBODY said 'hispanics' were the 'only' illegal aliens in this country. Personally, I made myself VERY CLEAR several times in my post [as to what *I* was addressing].

My comments addressed the points made in the ORIGINAL POST, period!

Maybe there's an INVISIBLE post somewhere in this thread [written by an INVISIBLE person], that I 'personally' didn't see, read, & somehow missed.

The original article 'itself' is SELF EXPLANTORY.


The article,"Latino Ethnic Cleansing of African Americans" fails to mention the fact that Cheryl Green was killed by Jonathan Fajardo, Jonathan Fajardo being Black himself!

The U.S. citizens who are Black protesting against illegal Hispanic immigration, made it plain through their actions that their concerns specifically targeted illegal Hispanic immigrants, and not illegal immigration on the whole. Actions many times speak louder than words. In this instance their actions spoke louder than words in defense of every form of illegal immigration but illegal Hispanic immigration.

The majority of the Black protesters who attended the march to protest against illegal immigration, here in Los Angeles, on Sunday March 25, 2007, did not protest against illegal immigration in general, but rather these individuals specifically targeted illegal immigrants who are Hispanic.

In addition, considering the damage that illegal immigration has done to the Black community, the turnout of Black people in attendance should have been much larger. The majority of the individuals from the Black community in attendance, refused to protest against Black illegal immigrants entering the U.S. illegally. Because of this truly biased, solely against Hispanic illegal immigrants protest march, the news media gave the illegal immigrants more press time than the actual protesters. The mistake made here was very clear. Any protest against illegal immigration must include every illegal immigrant, and not just Hispanic illegal immigrants.

Furthermore instead of proudly waving the American flag, the Black organizations and their membership, waved the Pan-African Red, Black, and Green flag. The Hispanic illegal immigrant supporters, waved the flags of their respective native countries.

Waving a Pan-African flag, on U.S. soil, to protest illegal immigration in the U.S., is the height of being a hypocrit. At that moment, any U.S. citizen who waved a Pan-African flag on U.S. soil, or who supported any protest marcher waving a Pan-African flag on U.S. soil, has reduced themselves to being an advocate of illegal immigration.

You can't have it both ways. An individual or group of individuals, are being counter-productive to the theme of being against illegal immigration in the U.S., to in one sense protest against illegal Hispanic immigration, and in the same breath, proudly display a Red, Black, and Green Pan-African flag on U.S. soil.

The individuals who attended this illegal immigration protest movement, who are truly against illegal immigration, ignored the fake and phony Pan-African flag bearers. The individuals waving the Pan-African flag and/or their supporters destroyed their own credibility, the very moment they chose to give praise to the Pan-African flag, at a so-called illegal immigrant protest march.

It is certain the news media recorded this event, as it pertains to illegal Hispanic immigrants waving Mexican flags in support of illegal immigration, and Black U.S. citizens waving Pan-African flags, under the pretense of being against illegal immigration. If you are so proud to be African, or detest being a U.S. citizen, then leave the United States, and move to Africa, so that you can live the full experience of being a true Pan-African. The native Africans, on the other hand, would gladly take your place, as it pertains to establishing themselves in the U.S. to escape any war torn, poverty striken, HIV/AIDS infested, deadly environment, truly corrupt government, in a Somalia, Nigeria, Haiti, the Sudan, etc., etc.

Evidently two sets of illegal immigration advocates and/or their supporters attended this protest march. One being the actual Hispanic illegal immigrants, the other set being any U.S. citizen waving a Pan-African flag on U.S. soil to oppose illegal immigration. Once again the Black people who did this, belittled themselves, all by themselves. It is certain that anyone truly against illegal immigration separated themselves from the Pan-African flag waving crowd.
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The article,"Latino Ethnic Cleansing of African Americans" fails to mention the fact that Cheryl Green was killed by Jonathan Fajardo, Jonathan Fajardo being Black himself!


What - you've never seen a black hispanic before? Please. The fact that Jonathan Fajardo is a MEMBER of a HISPANIC gang is self explantory.

As I said in my previous post, NOBODY has stated [anywhere in this thread] that hispanics are the 'only' illegal aliens in this country. Damn, get OVER IT already.

Stop trying to change the topic of this discussion to fit your own agenda.

Now, I'm THROUGH with you.
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Nope, no need to introduce my agenda, this information is an accounting of what truly took place, on the very day of a march against illegal immigration in Los Angeles, on March 25, 2007.

In addition, on the same day of this protest, one of the Black illegal immigration protesters was circulating copies of the article as published by the Sentinel, entitled, "Dymally Slated at First", Thursday, September 6, 1990, that states that then 31st District of California Congressman Merv Dymally, is a native of Trinidad, West Indies, which means Dymally is not a naturalized U.S. citizen. Naturalized U.S. citizen and native of Trinidad/West Indies are not synonomous in meaning.

The Pan-African protesters were not interested because their primary concern for being, was to attack illegal Hispanic immigration.

Anna Choi, a prominent newsreporter was interested in the article, and discussed the article depicting Merv Dymally as a native of Trinidad/West Indies, with some of the other Caucasian illegal immigration protesters. One or more of the Caucasians, stated, I know Merv Dymally is an illegal immigrant.

The Black protesters flaunting Red, Black, and Green, stated the article depicting Merv Dymally as being an illegal immigrant, is a "racist" article. In reply, someone stated, are you saying then that the Sentinel is racist and a liar for publishing this information, the Sentinel being a Black newspaper? The Pan African biased Hispanic illegal immigration protesters became upset, because they chose not to attack Black people who enter the U.S. illegally. The tunnel vision attitude expressed, continued to show disdain for Hispanic illegal immigration, and with no mention of the same disdain for Black Somalians, Nigerians, Cubans, Haitians, etc., etc., who are in the U.S. illegally.
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Now, to get back to the original TOPIC of this thread ...

check it out:

Latino and Black Hate Crimes: The New Face of Hate
The Huffington Post
Janurary 11, 2007

The arrest of Jonathan Fajardo brought a momentary breath of relief to Charlene Lovett. Fajardo is one of two purported Latino gang members charged with the murder of Lovett's daughter, 14- year-old black teen Cheryl Green last December and the wounding of three others in the mixed ethnic Harbor Gateway community in Los Angeles.

Prosecutors have slapped an added hate crime enhancement on the two men. Pedro Baez, a noted Los Angeles Latino leader, and editor of the nationally distributed Voice of the People, quickly denounced the shooting, and passionately insisted that the hate crime attack was way out of the ethnic pale, and in no way reflected hostile feelings of Latinos toward blacks.

Baez is right and wrong. His denunciation was welcome. So was that of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, L.A.'s popular Latino mayor, who vowed that the city would crack down on hate crimes. But Baez and Villaraigosa were the lone Latino voices in publicly denouncing the Green shooting.

At a press conference and walk against hate at the spot where the shooting occurred, Baez wondered out loud why he was the only Latino that took part in the protest action. He challenged other Latino activists and leaders to aggressively oppose hate crime violence between Latinos and blacks. There have been few takers.

Villaraigosa for his part badly dodged the issue by failing to name names. These aren't just garden variety white on black hate crimes. Blacks and Latinos are committing many of these crimes, and they are victimizing each other.

This represents two tormenting new trends. One is that blacks and Latinos now commit the majority of hate crimes in L.A. The other is that hate crimes are increasingly being committed in urban areas. Since the summer, 2006, there have been nearly a dozen murder attempts in the San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles on blacks by alleged Latino gang members.

There were more attacks in other parts of the city by blacks on Latinos. The attacks have happened in mixed ethnic neighborhoods such as Harbor Gateway. Blacks and Latinos nationally commit about one in five hate crimes, and many of their victims, as in L.A., are other blacks or Latinos......

To read more, click it:

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=2769
Jonathan Fajardo will receive some royal red carpet treatment, royal welcoming life threatening treatment, from the Nation of Islam, the Black Guerrila Family, the Crips, the Bloods, the Mexican Mafia, during his incarceration, especially if he is tried as an adult, and mixed with the general prison population.

The Pan-African Black protesters refused to target Black people who violate immigration law.

Heck, a Black UCLA graduate, who is a U.S. citizen, living to north of my residence, has given refuge to 13 illegal Somalians, one of them being a Somalian slave girl for the rest of the illegal Somalian immigrants.

Why would a U.S. citizen, be it Black or otherwise, risk his or her future, his or her freedom, to conspire to bring illegal immigrants into the United States? Giving refuge to an illegal immigrant is a federal felonious offense.

Ironically, at least one or more of these illegal Somalian immigrants is a professor at Los Angeles Trade Tech Junior College, teaching Black History, to a student body, who have entered the U.S. legally, and/or a student body who are U.S. citizens by birthright.

Why would a Black man or woman, conspire to bring illegal immigrants from Somalia into the United States, who are displacing law abiding U.S. citizens in the job market who are Black, and U.S. citizens by birthright?
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The topic of THIS thread addresses the issue of LATINO GANG MEMBERS [who are most likely in this country illegally], and their ethnic cleansing of African Americans.

A crime they won't talk about

America's long battle with racism has taken a nasty new twist on the mean streets of Los Angeles. Peter Huck reports.

Cause celebre ... 14-year-old Cheryl Green was killed by Latino gangsters.



It was a Halloween fright fest that went horribly wrong for three young women. Shortly after they left a "haunted house" in a middle class area of Long Beach, south of Los Angeles, on October 31, a teenage mob set upon the women.

Even by the savage conditions that often prevail on Los Angeles's mean streets, what followed was a vicious assault. The women were surrounded by a group of kicking and punching teenagers. One victim suffered multiple fractures to her face and needs surgery to reposition an eye that was smashed in. Another was knocked unconscious by a skateboard. The third has a bruised lung.

But for the intervention of a passer-by, the victims believe the mob - estimated by witnesses as about 30 strong - would have killed them. Last week, after an emotional trial fraught with legal histrionics and claims of witness intimidation, eight girls, age 13 to 18, and one 18-year-old male were found guilty of hate crimes, while a 12-year-old girl was acquitted. Two other boys were subsequently charged and await trial.

Long Beach is used to violence. Gangs are endemic. Murder frequent. But the Halloween case has had a big impact.

All the defendants were black. Their victims were white. Not only that, but the defendants, who chanted "F--- white people!" and other racial epithets during the melee, were charged with hate crimes, a charge traditionally seen in white-on-black crimes.

"I think the case has the potential to have a much wider impact," says Tracy Manzer, who covered the story for the Long Beach Press-Telegram. Few would disagree.

Yet apart from the Press-Telegram and, belatedly, the Los Angeles Times, plus heated radio commentary, national press coverage was scant, partly due to uncertainties about how to report a black-on-white hate crime. The Times agonised that laws designed to prosecute hate crimes - defined by Congress in 1992 as "motivated by hatred, bias or prejudice, based on the actual or perceived race, colour, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or gender identity of another individual or group of individuals" - might end up "punishing blacks".

This touched a deep nerve that goes back to America's still unresolved racial baggage from the slavery and segregation eras. When white members of a lacrosse team from Duke University in North Carolina were accused of raping a black stripper at a party last year, the case attracted saturation coverage and touched off a national firestorm. Seinfeld's Michael Richards was castigated for saying "nigger" - so insulting it cannot be used in US media - while ranting at hecklers in a Los Angeles club.

So the media's comparative silence on the Long Beach case has been deafening. David Mills, a black screenwriter and former reporter for The Washington Post, told the Romenesko blog: "You don't have to be a card-carrying Klansman to point out that the LA Times surely would be treating this story differently if three black women had been attacked by 30 white teenagers hurling words like 'F--- black people'."

Did the press back off because it was worried it might seem racist? "It's like walking on eggshells," says Earl Ofari Hutchinson, a black columnist in Los Angeles. He believes the media's inability to get a handle on a story that reversed stereotypes is perhaps as important as fears of appearing racist. And, as Manzer dryly points out: no one died.

Nonetheless, the Long Beach assaults reflect a disturbing trend. The Los Angeles County Commission on Human Relations, which collects statistics, says hate crimes rose 34 per cent during 2005 (the latest available figure). "The intriguing thing is the hate crimes they're talking about are not the old white-on-black, or bashing Jews, gays and Muslims," Hutchinson says. "The majority of hate crimes in LA County are committed by Latinos and blacks, on each other, or whites."

In the Ku Klux Klan era, hate crimes involved straightforward racism. Now the issue is entangled with other woes. The Long Beach case echoes the 1989 New York "wilding" incident, when black teenagers were accused of beating and raping a woman (before hate crime laws), and has led to hand wringing about why children commit senseless violence, a can of worms given its glorification by popular culture.

"Group beatings are extremely common in juvenile crimes," Manzer says. "Kids get caught up in it. It's like a spectator sport."

They also get caught up in gang glorification. The prosecution tried and failed to show the male defendant had links to the Baby Insane Crips, after references to the notorious black gang were found on his MySpace account. The Crips are suspected of intimidating witnesses: one had her car trashed, while the passer-by who broke up the melee later refused to identify any suspects.

While gang involvement in the Long Beach case is contentious, hate crimes committed by gangs - sometimes against non-gang members - are rising, although most gang crime is intraracial. In one chilling example, four members of the Avenues Latino gang were convicted of "ethnic cleansing" of blacks - two were murdered - in Los Angeles. In December two Latino gangsters shot 14-year-old Cheryl Green as she talked with friends. Police said the men were looking to kill blacks who strayed onto their turf. Locals say it was payback for the killing of a Mexican male a week earlier.

The Green case has become a cause celebre, as Los Angeles struggles to counter spiralling gang crime. Last year the city's 720 gangs, with membership estimated at 39,000, were blamed for 56 per cent of the city's 478 murders.

The gang epidemic "is largely immune to general declines in crime", says a recent report by the Advancement Project. It also found that gang crime was spreading to middle-class districts, although residents in the bleaker parts of South Central are 36 times more likely to be murdered than those in the upmarket West Side. Gangs were "public enemy No. 1", thundered the Mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa. Flanked by police chiefs, he pledged war. Days later a black man was wounded by Latino gunmen who chased his two daughters.

"Los Angeles is a city of immigrant marches, black-brown violence, gentrification tension and arguments over the movie Crash," the commentator Ruben Martinez wrote recently in the Los Angeles Times. Yet, given the city's ethnic diversity, most people get along. The exception tends to be those struggling to survive in poor areas affected by rapidly changing demographics.

The most obvious friction is between blacks and Latinos. The former are in decline, while Latinos constituted 49 per cent of Los Angeles's population in 2005. Often Latinos and blacks compete at the bottom of the economic ladder. Prejudice crosses borders. "Dirty" blacks have "messed up" the area, say some Latinos in the Harbour Gateway area.

"When we talk about black-on-Latino or Latino-on-black hate crimes, I think the same rules apply as when we talk about white-on-black crimes," Hutchinson says. "The same fears, the same tensions, the same hostilities."

The Advancement Project believes $US1 billion ($1.3 billion) is needed to create jobs, or improve education and public health in areas where 300,000 youngsters are at risk of joining gangs. Quite how Los Angeles, already pressed to fix its crumbling infrastructure, will find the money is unsure.

Until the Cheryl Green and Long Beach cases forced the city to confront race hatred in inner-city areas, officials had shied away from the issue, fearful of inflaming the sort of tensions that helped fuel race riots in 1965 and 1992. Now the issue is out in the open. Yet, given an intractable gang problem and deep-seated social problems that will take far more than $US1 billion to erase, can it be solved?

Back in Long Beach the verdicts have raised more questions than answers. Why did "regular" children, several with promising sports careers - one had already represented the US in China - and no criminal records or, it would seem, gang affiliations, find themselves accused of hate crimes? "Today is not a happy day," the Long Beach District Attorney said after the verdict. "There are no winners."

With their children facing possible jail time, the parents expressed disbelief in the outcome, insisting the wrong people were tried. While one of the victim's mobile phones was found on one defendant and another had bloodstains on her clothes, there is contention about evidence from the chief witness, who saw events at night, in her rear-view mirror, from 50 to 100 metres. The parents intend to appeal.

Reading to the court from prepared statements on Wednesday, the victims asked the judge to hand down "the harshest punishment possible".

One victim, Loren Hyman, who is 21 and part Latino and part Jewish, told the court. "I couldn't believe my ears when I heard them yell, 'I hate ... white people'." Her friend, Laura Schneider, 19, added: "I can't tell you what it did to me to see people get such pleasure from hurting us."

It is hard to know if this ugly episode will hurt race relations. Ultimately, the case raises the spectre of race hatred so deep it still pervades society, crossing race lines and incubating even its youngest members.

"I think the case will redefine how Americans look at hate crimes," Hutchinson says. "Traditionally, African-Americans were victims. Now they're not. It's a new twist in America's racial dynamic." America's long racial nightmare is far from over.

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Stanley Crouch
Third World Unity?
Sorry, It's Just a Dream

THERE is a lot of talk about immigration in New York these days. Because of growing Latin and Asian populations, the ethnic texture of this city -- already so much richer than any other in the nation -- is being modified.


On one level -- that of ongoing vitality -- this is good for the city, just as it is good for the nation. But black Americans needn't be as reverent about immigration as are people of European descent whose presence in this country goes back no more than, say, 150 years. Research shows that black Americans have advanced most when there was little or no immigration. So the Negro should look at this phenomenon both rationally and strategically.


I say this because Afro-Americans in positions of leadership too often succumb to the sentimental dream of Third World unity. The dream, which has evolved over the decades, is that people who are either not white or who come from places outside of Europe will merge to work against the barriers of bigotry.


What happens, however, is that groups that make it economically and socially abandon the Third World for the white world. So long, solidarity. And black people usually end up holding the bag.


Much of this results from confusion in the wake of the civil rights movement and the emergence of excessive identification with foreign nations on the basis of color. Some refer to this as "the black consciousness movement." The problem with this Pan-African concept is that the history of black Americans is quite different from that of the people who were colonized in Africa or the Caribbean. None of those people had the same fundamental impact on their colonizers as did black Americans on this nation's development.


The forward motion of black people in this land often has to do with coalitions forged with the broad majority of the country. The dream of forging some other alliance has not served black American political interests particularly well.


Take, for example, the way the Third World game played itself out in the affirmative action arena. Affirmative action was originally intended to help blacks compete in the American system after being handicapped by 300 years of slavery and oppression. But it wound up so that anybody who wasn't white could stick out a hand and demand admission to a university -- or a contract or some other benefit. Women got into the affirmative action game, too, and as things have gone, white women have gained more from it than anybody else.


None of this is meant to encourage ethnic hostility or paranoia. What I think is that black leaders should realize that celebrating the long history of black and white Americans together -- while still criticizing that history's faults -- might be the best protection against blacks' getting shoved out of the picture as other ethnic groups grow in size.


Never be so naive as to expect those who have no long history with you to feel responsible to you on the basis of a "common" enemy.[/QUOTE]



This "Third World Unity" concept was an issue I once embraced before time, experience and certain situations led me to stark realizations and
and re-evaluations which continue to this very day.
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
Excellent post and exactly on point, imo. And one of the reasons why I am against amnesty for illegal aliens. The majority of these illegal aliens are Mexicans/Hispanics.

I live in California so I see their RACISM against black folk, first hand. These "brown" people [a lot of whom are ILLEGAL ALIENS] are not trying to "unite" with "black" people, they've chosen to take the LOW ROAD instead, by murdering us & our children ... running us out of our neighborhoods... and our children out of the schools.

I've said it many times before and the above article merely confirms my observation - illegal aliens come here with their OWN brand of racism & racial hatred toward black people [again, I'm speaking of Mexicans because there are MORE of them in this country illegally]. How many us have to die before BLACK PEOPLE wake up? These particular "brown" people are NOT trying to "unite" with us.

This is why I will continue to protest against amnesty for illegal aliens, as well as 'benefits' they simply are NOT entitled to [in this country], or shouldn't be.

Let them take their racial hatred back across the border to their own country. There's enough of it here already. The police have been killing black folk for years...black gang members are killing black folk ... NOW hispanics are killing black folk [and a lot of these hispanics shouldn't even be here] - pretty soon black folk [in California anyway] WILL be completely wiped out, one way or another with so many haters-so many 'enemies' to black life.

Right now, black folk 'loyalty' should be to the benefit of our OWN people, and our OWN quality of life. A life which a lot of black folk have had taken away from them violently, by the 'new' enemy to black life - "Hispanic" gang members.


I thought about this topic for awhile and there's nothing more than i can say that would add any benefit to your excellent comment.
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This is the exact reason why black people have to build sustainable institutions to serve our communities. The cold hard fact is,Mexican and other central and south american immigration will not slow down. There is a huge need to feel certain positions in this country and instead of dealing with the African American community who have faught so hard for certain laws and regulations, they will hire Illegals. People who will for for lower wages,and they dont complain when it comes to benifits. Most of all they are not organized in Unions. All ofthi If we dont start helping ourselves soon , we will find ourselves again atg the bottom of the economic totom pole.
Originally posted by Fabulous:
Excellent post and exactly on point, imo. And one of the reasons why I am against amnesty for illegal aliens. The majority of these illegal aliens are Mexicans/Hispanics.

I live in California so I see their RACISM against black folk, first hand. These "brown" people [a lot of whom are ILLEGAL ALIENS] are not trying to "unite" with "black" people, they've chosen to take the LOW ROAD instead, by murdering us & our children ... running us out of our neighborhoods... and our children out of the schools.

I've said it many times before and the above article merely confirms my observation - illegal aliens come here with their OWN brand of racism & racial hatred toward black people [again, I'm speaking of Mexicans because there are MORE of them in this country illegally]. How many us have to die before BLACK PEOPLE wake up? These particular "brown" people are NOT trying to "unite" with us.

This is why I will continue to protest against amnesty for illegal aliens, as well as 'benefits' they simply are NOT entitled to [in this country], or shouldn't be.

Let them take their racial hatred back across the border to their own country. There's enough of it here already. The police have been killing black folk for years...black gang members are killing black folk ... NOW hispanics are killing black folk [and a lot of these hispanics shouldn't even be here] - pretty soon black folk [in California anyway] WILL be completely wiped out, one way or another with so many haters-so many 'enemies' to black life.

Right now, black folk 'loyalty' should be to the benefit of our OWN people, and our OWN quality of life. A life which a lot of black folk have had taken away from them violently, by the 'new' enemy to black life - "Hispanic" gang members.


I thought about this topic for awhile and there's nothing more than i can say that would add any benefit to your excellent comment.



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EXCELLENT POINTS, FAB rock
My view exactly Fab and Zakar,

My problem is there are so many black people who are willing to sell us out for political reasons if they think enough in the Hispanic community share their political agenda.

Some African Americans are so invested in the Democratic Party or whatever political/social ideology, they will choose to IGNORE this issue, IGNORE BLATANT RACISM from Latinos towards African Americans.

This topic have come up repeatedly and it never really gets the attention it deserves because in my view there are too many black people who are more IDEOLOGY than BLACK. In fact, if you don't agree with their ideology then you are not black enough.

It is their ideology that defines their blackness and as long their Party and ideas are not attacked, what has happened so far does not alarm them, much more will have to happen to get the more politically active blacks attention.

It really a shame because it is these types who are supposedly so concerned with the well being of the black community.
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Originally posted by Momentum:
My view exactly Fab and Zakar,

My problem is there are so many black people who are willing to sell us out for political reasons if they think enough in the Hispanic community share their political agenda.

Some African Americans are so invested in the Democratic Party or whatever political/social ideology, they will choose to IGNORE this issue, IGNORE BLATANT RACISM from Latinos towards African Americans.

This topic have come up repeatedly and it never really gets the attention it deserves because in my view there are too many black people who are more IDEOLOGY than BLACK. In fact, if you don't agree with their ideology then you are not black enough.

It is their ideology that defines their blackness and as long their Party and ideas are not attacked, what has happened so far does not alarm them, much more will have to happen to get the more politically active blacks attention.

It really a shame because it is these types who are supposedly so concerned with the well being of the black community.



The old guard NEGROCRATIC thinking of yesteryear still prvails today with no regard as to how the world has changed or its impact on the African-American community----"WE'S BEING SOLD DOWN THE RIBBER"
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I've lived in Texas and have experienced the same things, racism by whites and hispanics against blacks. California is not the only place that these things are happening to the black community.
It makes you wonder how they treat the black people in their home countries?


Of course you're exactly right 3, unfortunately, California is not the only state with these things happening in the black community. Personally, I only mentioned california because the article mentions los angeles, and as a resident ... I cosign the commentary. 3

Remember a few years back when Mexico tried to circulate a RACIST mailing stamp? ... depicting black folks in a degrading & demeaning way?

Mexico's president claimed the stamp was/is part of their 'historical art'? Please.

If black Americans hadn't protested against the use of the stamp, Mexico would STILL be circulating it right now. The stamp was/is racist, then & now ... funny how Mexico didn't 'see' this and had to be FORCED to stop.

That stamp, imo, is merely a reflection of how the majority of citizens in Mexico 'really' feel about black folk & race relations.
Even if all Hispanic immigration stopped tomorrow the Hispanic-American population will still outnumber the African-American population. So cutting off 'illegal' immigration (I don't see why the assumption is that the racist ones are undocumented immigrants, most of the racists are probably 'legal') wouldn't really do anything. I'm also very aware of how the media tends to focus on Hispanic immigration while not seeming to mind European 'illegal' immigration.

There is no excuse for the Latino-on-Black violence, but like all inter-Minority violence I suspect this has to do with striving to obtain White Privilege. A lot of this inter-racial violence is so often caused by socio-economic strife.
The Black community happens to be the weakest community. Undocumented Hispanic illegal immigrants are not taking control of Korea Town, China Town, any Filipino Community, any Caucasian community, any legal immigrant Hispanic community, etc., etc.

With so many Black men and women in prison, broken Black families, a very high unemployment rate, death due to the HIV/AIDS viruses, Black on Black crime, Reverend Jim Jones following idiots who killed themselves, knowingly supporting disgraceful Black preachers even if it means giving up your last dime,crack cocaine addiction self-destruction, a dysfunctional Black electorate, a misfit Black elected leadership, damn near any group of outsider(s) can take control of the Black community.

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Heck, the Black community has been on a downward spiral way before illegal Hispanic immigrants moved into any Black community and/or before "Black Flight" to run away from a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., to relocate to the Harbor City community where Hispanics outnumber Black people, by leaps and bounds.

More Black men, women, and/or children have been maimed or killed by other Black people, and/or the ignorance of Black people in general, than all the "Jim Crow Years", than all the killing of Black people attributed to racist Hispanics, than any killing that can be connected with rogue police officers


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Plank #1: Economic Development and Control - Job Creation, Tax Policies, Money Management

Plank #2: Safe Streets and Rich Communities - CULTURAL Engagement With Our Young People To Lessen The Chances of Interdiction By Law Enforcement, Crime & Punishment Policy

Plank #3: Increased Academic Attainment - Development of a Comprehensive Educational Reform package to insure that our children are prepared for the workforce of tomorrow, The STUDY OF Solutions that Effectively Work to address our communities problems

Plank #4: Healthy Lifestyles Within The Community - Communication of ideas that improve the health and quality of life for our people. Reducing exposure to risky behaviors that have squandered so many lives.


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Plank #5: A responsible elected Black leadership, and Black voting class is long overdue!

Plank #6: The affluent communities are more concerned with making their community safe, and will pay for armed response private security services, and/or use their tax paying revenue to hire police officers, to keep Black people who do not live in their community, or who have no constructive or legal purpose for visiting, out of their community.

Plank #7: Because of the void of competent leadership and/or a dysfunctional Black electorate.......

.......disgraceful individuals and/or illegal immigrants run the Black community, and known criminals and illegal immigrants have more rights than law abiding Blacks who are U.S. citizens.
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Originally posted by StaryeYenightess:
ML does your post apply to all Blacks. All communities have the same problems. So what's your point. No is blaming Hispanics. We are talking about the Mexicans. We're not talking about Cubans, Pruto Ricans, Colombians, Chileans and so on. We're not talking about Afro Latino's either.


Heck, Mexican immigrants perform work on farms that no one else chooses to do. At most any Home Depot, you'll find droves of them standing around, waiting to be hired by some U.S. citizen, to perform construction work, or other manual labor tasks, for less than any licensed Contractor.

Be it legal, undocumented Mexicans, Hispanic gang members, or otherwise, many of these individuals own businesses throughout Los Angeles County, and beyond. Believe it or not Mexicans have more clout in Los Angeles County, than Black people who have lived in Los Angeles for decades.

Frequently, several families of Mexican immigrants will shack up under the same roof to share expenses. Shortly thereafter, Mexican illegal or legal immigrants have saved enough money, and will pool their resources to buy businesses, real estate, etc.

You can't get ten Black people, within their own family unit, let alone total strangers, to live under the same roof, pool their resources, finance a business venture, without a squabble, jealously, envy, greed, sleaze, etc., etc. Dissention builds up to the point where Black people under the same roof are at each other's throats with a knife, and/or may aim a firearm at someone. Many of the individuals who pull the trigger can't even shoot straight. Usually, someone ends up being killed or maimed who had absolutely nothing to do with altercation.
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Within the past month or so, a female friend of mine, informed me that she paid her respects at a funeral for one of her girl friend's, male family members, who was killed by someone in the Black community.

The many individuals attending the funeral here in Los Angeles, had to hit the deck, run for cover, duck behind their cars, etc., etc., because some individuals out there in the Black community just don't respect the dead, and/or have no regard for any individual in the Black community who mourn the dead in the Black community. Basically the church was sprayed with live ammunition.

Thank God, no one was maimed or killed as a result of this foolishness. This is yet another episode of Black on Black senseless crime.
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Originally posted by Yssys:
I've lived in Texas and have experienced the same things, racism by whites and hispanics against blacks. California is not the only place that these things are happening to the black community.
It makes you wonder how they treat the black people in their home countries?


Oh yeah, there a lot of racial problems in Latin America. There's a lot of racism in Latin American countries due to the Spaniards (Conquistadors) conquering Mesoamerica and dividing Latin American society into classes based on race. Whites were/are at the top of food chain in society with Mestizos (those of Native and Spanish mixture) as the second bananas. Afro-Latinos were put on the bottom (with Mulattos above them) and treated as second-class citizens. This still goes on today in Latin-American society even though the Spaniards are gone (aside from millions of their descendants still living in Latin America and classified as White). Many Mestizo citizens feel themselves superior to Afro-Latinos (being placed above them in the racial caste system) and carry this mentality over to the US with them when they migrate.

This is what explains most of the racism. It also has to do with the fact that they realize that being White has tangible advantages in American society, so they resent being lumped in with Black people as the two racial untermensches in the American racial totem pole (with Asians, Middle Easterners and Native Americans above them being viewed as less inferior by Whites). That's why a lot of light-skinned Mestizos try to classify themselves as "White" when they move to the States. Aside from the socio-racial aspects a lot of the tension between the Hispanic and Black community has to do with economics. Both communities fear that the other will get ahead of them economically while the other is left behind (this is what causes a lot of Black resentment of Asian-Americans due to the "model minority" perception).

Don't get me wrong, it's not all bad between Blacks and Hispanics. In fact, in many areas outside of certain ares of California, the Black-Brown relations are very good. In my area there is little racial tension between Blacks and Hispanics even though the Hispanic population has grown to rival the Black population in this area. Most of the Black-Brown tensions in my area is from middle-class suburban Blacks who feel that Hispanic immigrants might start moving into their suburban neighborhoods and challenge their token minority status and from middle-class suburban Hispanics who have negative stereotypes of Black people as hoods and thugs. In Latin America, despite the racial tensions, in several countries Afro-Latinos do not face the same level of established discrimination that African-Americans do.
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Momentum:
My view exactly Fab and Zakar,

My problem is there are so many black people who are willing to sell us out for political reasons if they think enough in the Hispanic community share their political agenda.

Some African Americans are so invested in the Democratic Party or whatever political/social ideology, they will choose to IGNORE this issue, IGNORE BLATANT RACISM from Latinos towards African Americans.

This topic have come up repeatedly and it never really gets the attention it deserves because in my view there are too many black people who are more IDEOLOGY than BLACK. In fact, if you don't agree with their ideology then you are not black enough.

It is their ideology that defines their blackness and as long their Party and ideas are not attacked, what has happened so far does not alarm them, much more will have to happen to get the more politically active blacks attention.

It really a shame because it is these types who are supposedly so concerned with the well being of the black community.



The old guard NEGROCRATIC thinking of yesteryear still prvails today with no regard as to how the world has changed or its impact on the African-American community----"WE'S BEING SOLD DOWN THE RIBBER"


So we should vote Republican? Roll Eyes I'm sorry, but this borders on CF-isms. What all-pervasive 'ideology' has gripped the minds of the Black community? What established cabal of Black ideologues has unchallenged hegemonic dominance over us? "BQSPFs"? Roll Eyes


Anyway, I think a lot more community-level dialogue and collaboration between the Black and Hispanic community will help solve the problem. I mean, what else can we do? The only other option is to dominate the Hispanic community. If you aren't trying to ally with someone then the only other option is to either be indifferent to them or try to conquer them.
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Originally posted by ZAKAR:
This is the exact reason why black people have to build sustainable institutions to serve our communities. The cold hard fact is,Mexican and other central and south american immigration will not slow down. There is a huge need to feel certain positions in this country and instead of dealing with the African American community who have faught so hard for certain laws and regulations, they will hire Illegals. People who will for for lower wages,and they dont complain when it comes to benifits. Most of all they are not organized in Unions.


I agree with you that the Black community needs to build more Black instiutions. But given the general shittyness of and ingratefulness of Black businesses towards their Black patrons/consumers, I'm not really moved by the whole "support Black businesses" movement. A lot of Black businesses treat their White customers better (I've patronized enough to see this pattern) and take their Black customers for granted. For instance, this Black-owned McDonald's near me almost ALWAYS seems to manage to get Black customers' orders wrong. And they are prone to skimping on things in order to save money. I've seen them talk to White customers like "May I help you sir/ma'am?" and talk to the next Black customer like, "What 'chu want?" (like you're bothering them). I would hope that these Black institutions do not act the same way some Black businesses do. And I hope they don't end up like the watered-down, mealy-mouthed post-Civil Rights era NAACP.

However, I don't see what Hispanic immigration has to do with this. If all Hispanic immigration stopped tomorrow the Hispanic population would still outnumber the Black population. Especially since they have a higher birth rate than us and a lower death rate. And the 'threat' of undocumented Hispanic immigrants is largely a Brown hoarde myth invented by scared White people. You're not suggesting some kind of limit cap on Hispanic immigration are you? Confused


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All ofthi If we dont start helping ourselves soon , we will find ourselves again atg the bottom of the economic totom pole.


Aside from the racial aspects, this is the crux of this whole Black-Latino rivalry. It comes down to issues of class. Some of us are afraid that they will 'assimilate' or get ahead of us economically and leave us behind. This is what a lot of this inter-Minority tension boils down to: fighting over positions on the American racial-economic totem pole.
Latinos, look out for latinos period! I know this for a fact. Also all the lower level to midlevel jobs are now mostly employeed by Latinos. If you dont spend your money with black people , you gonna spend it with someone else. Ask yourself does these people spend money with black people. We always knock black business and then wonder why the community is in the shape it is in. I go to many black owned business and they are run just as well as any other. You have good and bad in everything. But i ask you go to the black community and go into an Asian carryout and see how that establisments looks. They will let you know exactly how they feel about you. Notice no asians ever eat there. Im just saying when people are allowed to come into a country with no documentation ,basically get a start from scratch card and are given jobs because they will work for less, believe me there is someone who is no longer working. Guess who they are? Explain to me what has the Latino community done in support of The African American Community?

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