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L.A. Police Revise Car-Shooting Policy
Thursday, February 17, 2005
By: Paul Chavez, Associated Press


LOS ANGELES -- Ten days after an officer shot to death a 13-year-old who backed a stolen vehicle into a police car, the city Police Commission on Wednesday approved limits on when officers can shoot at moving vehicles.

Under the revised policy, officers cannot fire at a moving vehicle unless someone is threatened with deadly force other than the vehicle. Mayor James Hahn pushed for the change after Devin Brown was shot Feb. 6 following an early morning chase.

"Obviously we will never adopt a policy that would take away the officer's own right to self-defense. But this policy will give clear guidance," Hahn said.

The death of Brown, who was black, outraged many and immediately sparked a street protest. Hundreds of mourners packed a south Los Angeles church Tuesday for Brown's funeral, during which criticism of the police drew applause.

"It's time for us to stand up and take back our community. We will police ourselves," The Nation of Islam's Rev. Tony Muhammad said to a standing ovation.

Muhammad said citizen "soldiers" would take to the streets Tuesday night to monitor the streets, but LAPD spokesman Jason Lee said no such community policing occurred.

The shooting is being investigated by police, the district attorney's office and the FBI. Officer Steven Garcia, who fired 10 shots at Brown and killed him, will be on desk duty until the investigation concludes.

The policy revision had been in the works for about a year, since police shot and killed a man who backed up toward officers during a chase broadcast on live television. But the shooting of Brown led Police Chief William Bratton to speed up the work.

The policy says that an officer "threatened by an oncoming vehicle shall move out of its path instead of discharging a firearm at it or any of its occupants." It also bans officers from firing from a moving vehicle, except in extreme circumstances.

The new policy states that although it may not cover every situation, an officer who fires at a moving vehicle must be able to clearly articulate why. Factors that could be considered include whether there were any apparent means of escape.

Police departments in major cities including Boston, Cincinnati and Detroit have adopted similar restrictions in recent years. New York City adopted language almost identical to the new policy in 1972.

Bratton called the new language part of broader changes within the department regarding the use of force.

"This is just the latest change in what I believe will be more to come," he said.

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I had not heard the story of this shooting before now. However, it seems like around the time that a little 4-year-old also took a car and backed it up into a police vehicle ... and I don't remember him getting shot 10 times and dying! upset But then again, he was not Black nor in Los Angeles, was he? Roll Eyes
 
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I had not heard the story of this shooting before now. However, it seems like around the time that a little 4-year-old also took a car and backed it up into a police vehicle ... and I don't remember him getting shot 10 times and dying! But then again, he was not Black nor in Los Angeles, was he?---EbonyRose

A few years ago, the mayor of a nearby city, Hazelton, jumped in his personal car and chased a Hispanic tweener through the alleyways of the town.

It turned into a police chase.

No one seems to know what the kid was supposed to have done.

The town was 'up in arms' about the influx of Spanish-speaking, non-Europeans. They were charging they the newcomers would bring 'crime and violence' to the city.

This the city that was known as the home of Murder, Inc.

Of course, they were predominantly Italian descendants.

Just so you don't forget, and think it is just about us.


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Funny how the Black community, specifically ambulance chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, a barrage of Black elected leaders, etc., are in mass about the killing of a young underage Black male driver by the LAPD, yet in Black on Black criminal activity ambulance chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, the so-called Black elected leadership, the usual community activists are as silent as silent can get, more likely missing in inaction.

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Man Held in Shooting at School
An alleged gang member is accused of wounding a 15-year-old girl in the head outside Locke High in South L.A. She is in a coma.
By Erika Hayasaki and Richard Winton
Times Staff Writers

March 19, 2005

As word spread through Locke High School on Friday that police had arrested a gang member for allegedly shooting a 15-year-old girl in the head outside the campus, some cried and others prayed that she would wake from a coma.

Police said Deliesh Allen remained close to death at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center after a gunman, apparently aiming at a member of a rival gang, shot her Thursday as she waited for her aunt to pick her up near the school gates in South Los Angeles.

After an outpouring of tips from residents, police arrested an 18-year-old former Locke student, Dejuan Hines, at 3 a.m. Friday and booked him on suspicion of attempted murder. LAPD Det. Sal LaBarbera said the gunman fired at least three shots.

"This was a senseless shooting of a 15-year-old girl trying to go home from school," said Assistant Los Angeles Police Chief James McDonnell. "There's no indication that she was the intended target."

Hines is a member of the so-called Front Street Crips, and was shooting at members of the rival Back Street Crips, police said. He was on probation for an unspecified crime and had a history of juvenile violations. Police are holding him in lieu of $1 million bail, Assistant Chief George Gascon said.

Police went to three homes linked to Hines' family, finding him at the third, Gascon said. Officers found two handguns during the raids, and forensic experts are investigating whether either was used in the shooting, he said.

By Friday morning, the last day before spring break, teachers and friends had built a small memorial on the bloodstained sidewalk at 110th Street and Avalon Boulevard.

"I have to walk down Avalon, and I'm scared," said Shaterra Thompson, 15.

Every day, Thompson had greeted Allen, who always wore a pink coat and her hair in a large bun. Thompson wondered whether she would see her again.

In a bungalow classroom, math teacher Amber Hardy wiped away tears as she remembered her last conversation with Allen on Thursday afternoon. Allen had said she was excited about receiving a good grade on a quiz.

Hours later, Hardy rushed outside and found Allen on the sidewalk, her boyfriend cradling her.

"It was right after the bell rang. There were kids all over," Hardy said. "The bullets were coming toward the school, so it could have been any of the kids. It makes me so angry."

Hardy, who teaches Allen math and tutors her after school, called the girl a fighter who worked hard to solve problems. She hopes Allen will conquer this one too.

In a class assignment, Allen once wrote that she dreamed of becoming a hairstylist, getting married and having two children with her boyfriend, Joseph Clarke.

At the hospital, Clarke, 15, waited for news on Allen's condition.

"I told her I wanted to marry her," he said.

Usually on Fridays, when the school plays hip hop music, Allen dances on a stage in the quad area, students said. On other days during lunch, she hangs out at an outdoor table with her cousins.

"Yesterday I sat at that table with her," said friend Tameeka Ford, 16. "I was hurt last night because I thought she was gone. But she is holding on."

The school district increased security around Locke on Friday, and Principal Frank Wells circled the school in a motorized cart to keep an eye on students.

School officials said 27 pupils sought support from high school and crisis intervention counselors.

"To be stricken with this tragedy ... a 15-year-old kid "” it's tough," Wells said. Locke students are "very resilient because this is not foreign to their community," he said.

Hardy, a second-year teacher, said she was surprised that many students seemed unaffected.

When she brought up the shooting in class, some said they didn't know Allen. Hardy told them that should not matter.

"They don't realize that is not normal," she said. "It is just not something that students should be accustomed to."

The shooting sparked outrage among community leaders and school officials, who called on gang members to put down their guns.

At a news conference, Mayor James K. Hahn said: "Deliesh's life is now hanging in the balance because of a senseless shooting, one that we all find intolerable."

Sylvia Rousseau, District 7 superintendent for the Los Angeles Unified School District, said that "when our children are in class, they look to the school for a place of comfort, nurturing and refuge." But, she said, the school can't control what happens outside.

Times staff writers Nicholas Shields and Susana Enriquez contributed to this report.

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

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It is very doubtful that the LAPD will tone down shooting at moving vehicles considering this reality!



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1 Suspect Is Killed, 1 Wounded in Fierce South L.A. Shootout
No one else is hit despite more than 120 shots by police and two men who fired from moving SUV.
By Richard Winton and Natasha Lee
Times Staff Writers

March 11, 2005

A slow-speed police pursuit escalated into a furious gun battle before dawn Thursday, rattling a South Los Angeles neighborhood as police fired more than 100 rounds, killing one suspect and wounding another who had fired first, authorities said.

In the shootout, 16 to 18 officers fired weapons in a 40-minute, 35-block-long chase that ended in a volley of gunfire after the fleeing vehicle plowed into a fence in a supermarket parking lot at the northwest corner of Vermont and Vernon avenues.

No one else was injured

"It was like a war zone," said Linda English, who was in a home 50 yards from where the chase ended. "The gunfire was so loud and you could smell the gunpowder in the air. This is why you have to keep an eye on your kids."

Dozens of businesses along Vermont were closed Thursday after police cordoned off several blocks of the busy street. Investigators pored over the massive crime scene, swarming with three dozen police cars. So many officers were involved in the incident that the department declared an alert and kept officers working night shifts on duty into the morning.

Police identified the dead man as Tony Diaz, 23.

A half-dozen people gathered at 41st Place and Vermont to protest the shooting. They identified themselves as friends of Diaz and described him as an associate of a street gang who always carried a gun for protection.

But a friend who said she spoke with Diaz twice during the chase by cellphone insisted that he would not have challenged police. Rebecca Gallegos, who said she was a close friend, said he did carry a gun. "He sounded nervous and scared," she said of the first call. "I knew they were going to do that to him."

The second time he called, he thought that police were going to put out tire spikes, and he was going to surrender, Gallegos said.

Then she said she heard the shots and ran out of her house and down Vermont trying to find Diaz. "I was screaming, 'Please give up,' " she said.

The surviving driver, Ryan Vargas, 20, was captured about 6 a.m. after a nearly three-hour standoff with an LAPD SWAT team. Diaz was found dead in the passenger seat.

LAPD Chief William J. Bratton said the suspects fired "numerous" rounds at pursuing officers. He said 500 rounds of ammunition were recovered from the suspects' vehicle, along with a rifle and 20 shell casings.

Vargas, who was on probation for possession of a controlled substance, underwent surgery and was in critical condition Thursday. Bratton said tests showed "high levels of cocaine and amphetamines in his system."

"It's a miracle that none of our officers or any civilians were struck," Bratton said at a news conference.

The pursuit began at 88th Street and Vermont, when officers tried to stop what they thought was a drunk driver. At least eight police cruisers were involved in the chase.

"The suspects began throwing out beer cans," said LAPD Police Lt. Paul Vernon. "Then officers thought they heard firecrackers. Then they realized they were being shot at from the vehicle. They saw the rifle being pointed out the passenger side window.

"The suspects would make U-turns, and each time they would fire at police cars."

Near 39th Street, a shot fired from the fleeing vehicle struck the windshield of the patrol car leading the pursuit, Bratton said.

Either because he had been hit or was trying to avoid police gunfire, Vargas drove the SUV through a fence, and it ground to halt at 3:15 a.m., police said.

After more heavy gunfire, the LAPD demanded surrender. Then a SWAT team blocked the suspects' car with armored vehicles.

After waiting nearly three hours, officers pulled the driver from the vehicle and took him into custody.

Television news footage showed police taking cover with assault rifles pointed toward the SUV, and then a hail of gunfire. All of the windows in the suspects' car were blown out, and the vehicle's body was pock-marked with bullet holes.

Vernon said the motive for the incident was unknown. An investigation will determine whether the shooting was within LAPD guidelines, Vernon said. But he said the gunfire from the .22-caliber rifle did represent an immediate threat to life.

In the neighborhood Thursday, people struggled to resume their daily routines. Many residents awoke about 3 a.m. to the clatter of gunfire.

"It sounded like rapid shooting, just like when you turn on the TV and see one of those cowboy movies," said Annie Bogar, 62, who has lived near 45th Street and Vermont for 37 years. "Why would you want to have a shootout with the LAPD?"

Owners of about two dozen businesses within the cordoned-off area grumbled about the lack of commerce.

"It's slow," said George Chavez of George's Custom Upholstery and Foam Enterprises.

"It just totally messed up my day," said Patrice Lewis, who could not pay her pawn ticket because the broker was in the supermarket plaza.

It appeared to be the first time that officers have fired at a moving vehicle since the Police Commission approved a policy that forbids officers from firing at moving vehicles unless there is a threat other than the vehicle itself. That change followed the fatal shooting of 13-year-old Devin Brown after he backed a stolen car toward a police cruiser in South Los Angeles.

"Today, our officers were lucky," said Bob Baker, president of the Los Angeles Police Protective League. "Tomorrow the outcome might be different."

Baker said the shooting was a reminder that there were circumstances under which officers must fire at moving vehicles.

In protest of the shooting, friends of the dead man, including Gallegos, used markers to dot their bodies to symbolize gunshots.

Diaz would have shot at police only if they fired first, said Anthony Gonsalez, 18, another friend.

"Tony wouldn't do that," said Reina Fujino, Diaz's girlfriend. "He would not shoot at a cop. He knew you couldn't win."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

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....just throw in the many instances of incompetence on the part of Black nurses and doctors at "Killer"/"Butcher" King, which is in the Los Angeles County Second Supervisoral District of carpet bagging "Brentwood Burke". The lives of the many individuals killed by incompetence must be meaningless considering the degree that Black people in high positions of leadership have allowed this foolishness to continue since the 70's.



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A Mounting Tab to Fix King/Drew
The consulting firm hired to manage the hospital asks the county for more money, saying conditions are worse than originally thought.
By Charles Ornstein And Tracy Weber
Times Staff Writers

March 21, 2005

The tab for fixing decades of mismanagement and neglect at the troubled Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center is mounting by the millions "” and officials say it will be months before they know if the money is being well spent.

The consulting firm hired to run the Los Angeles County-owned hospital has asked for a $3.4-million increase beyond the $13.2 million it is being given to do the job this year. The new request includes five nurse managers at $36,000 each per month.

Kae Robertson, a director of the firm, Navigant Consulting Inc., said the 25% increase mostly reflects additional costs that had been anticipated when the contract was signed last fall. But it also stems from conditions at the hospital that are worse than the firm had originally thought.

"Even though we had done our homework, and we knew that things were very broken here, what we found was that even simple, basic operational systems were broken," she said.

From November, when Navigant took over, through February, the firm referred 91 of the hospital's nearly 2,500 employees to the county human resources office for discipline. So far, 15 of those have resigned or been fired, including five doctors, county officials said.

The latest request by Navigant includes $52,200 per month for a physician manager to provide extensive "mentoring" to King/Drew doctors and to address "significant" performance issues among hospital department heads, according to Navigant's written request for funds.

Several county supervisors are balking at the cost, saying they are reluctant to pour millions more into a management team that is scheduled to be gone by year's end.

"We agreed to hire them at a set price," Supervisor Gloria Molina said. "Now, I can't say they're nickel-and-diming us because it's multimillions of dollars.... That bothers me."

Under pressure from the federal government, the county hired Navigant last fall after the firm submitted the lowest bid to overhaul the hospital. At the time, supervisors pointedly asked if the firm would seek more money later. Navigant officials assured them at a public meeting that the bid was based on a thorough assessment.

The increase Navigant is now seeking is less than the firm wanted. Last month, Navigant asked the county's Department of Health Services for about $5 million. At the department's urging, the firm scaled back its request to $3.4 million.

A breakdown of contract costs shows how much the county is paying Navigant for its expertise: $52,200 per month each for the temporary chief executive officer, chief operating officer and chief nursing officer, and $45,000 per month for each of several advisors to hospital departments. Those figures do not include expenses.

By contrast, a hospital administrator within the county system earns a maximum $195,500 a year, including cash paid in lieu of benefits.

Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the county Department of Health Services, said he supports Navigant's request for additional funds.

"It's not a long-term solution," he said. "What it does is gets you quick leadership, quick assessment, quick knowledge. I feel like they're doing the hard work, and they're making progress."

Since late 2003, King/Drew, which serves mostly poor black and Latino neighborhoods, has been cited repeatedly by regulators and accreditors for serious lapses in patient care. A five-part Times series in December detailed how errors and neglect by King/Drew's staff have repeatedly injured or killed patients over more than a decade, a pattern that went largely unscrutinized and unchecked.

In February, a national accrediting group took the rare step of pulling its seal of approval from the hospital because of problems identified in 2004.

Since Navigant took over, its consultants have scrambled to right the 33-year-old hospital in Willowbrook, just south of Watts.

In January, the firm compiled a list of more than 1,000 steps needed to fix King/Drew.

But the next month, medical mistakes injured two patients in a week. On Feb. 15, a patient undergoing a tracheotomy suffered neck burns when a cauterizing tool ignited oxygen in the operating room. Two days later, a surgical sponge was left in the abdomen of a shooting victim and wasn't discovered until several days later on an X-ray. (Last year, the hospital pledged to better track items used in surgery after a metal clamp was left in a patient.)

That same week, the hospital came within days of losing $200 million in federal funds because staff members were relying on county police to subdue aggressive psychiatric patients with Taser stun guns.

King/Drew had failed two inspections. After intensive staff retraining, the hospital won over regulators on a third inspection "” and Navigant threw a party with cake and ice cream to celebrate.

Earlier this month, the hospital's trauma center closed after intense public debate. The Board of Supervisors approved the closure late last year, saying it was necessary to save the rest of the hospital. Community leaders have maintained that severely injured patients would die if they had to travel to hospitals farther away.

Navigant officials say that, despite upheavals at the hospital, they are proceeding on schedule.

An official with the labor union representing King/Drew's workers said Navigant has indeed improved morale. But she said she's concerned the firm isn't moving fast enough to implement its recommendations because, she said she believes, it is angling for a contract extension that would net it millions more.

"Where is the incentive for them to quickly, expeditiously, efficiently implement their recommendations?" asked Kathy Ochoa, health policy analyst for Service Employees International Union Local 660. "I really think it's time to start seeing some results from the ideas that have been proposed."

Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, whose district includes King/Drew, said the real test of Navigant's effectiveness will come later this year, when the hospital reapplies for national accreditation from the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations. The commission's seal of approval has both symbolic and practical significance: Many insurance companies require it in their contracts.

"I think it's still a little early to measure total performance," Burke said. "I was skeptical as to whether you could really do that in nine months or a year."

One of Navigant's key proposals was to create a hospital advisory board, including some healthcare experts, to provide guidance to the Board of Supervisors about King/Drew. Supervisors approved the makeup of the advisory board this month, but the group has yet to meet.

Several supervisors said they believe Navigant ultimately will succeed or fail based on the quality of managers it recruits to lead the hospital permanently. The consultants have just begun searching for a chief executive and other top-level managers.

As they do, two key members of their King/Drew team are leaving their positions. Interim Chief Executive Elliot Cohen is stepping aside and will focus on improving ambulatory care at the hospital. Chief nursing officer Peg Price is leaving because her commute from North Carolina prevented her from working a full week.

County supervisors say their experience with a previous consulting group has made them wary of consultants' claims of success. Last year, the Camden Group touted improvements in the nursing department at King/Drew, yet Navigant found widespread problems when it arrived.

"I don't think we got our money's worth out of Camden," Supervisor Don Knabe said. "It's obvious Camden didn't do their job."

Camden officials have strongly disputed criticism of their work, saying they made great strides under extremely difficult circumstances. Camden was paid about $1 million for its work, which was far more limited in scope than Navigant's.

The county Department of Health Services plans to send its auditors to assess Navigant's work in coming months.

For now, at least one supervisor said he worries that change is not coming quick enough to King/Drew.

"Racing at a snail's pace will not achieve the immediate action required to get the hospital on its feet in providing safe, needed medical care," Supervisor Mike Antonovich said.

"Entering the King/Drew Medical Center," he said, "needs to be a healing experience and not a trial lawyer's or mortuary's meal ticket."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

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......Well it must be all the fault of racist Caucasians. Some Black people refuse to take responsibility for the sins of Black people perpetrated by Blacks against other Blacks.
The return of Lofton, I see his negro ways have not changed, he still hate Black folk including himself. While he report what those he mentioned have not done, he fail to mention he has not done anything either but hey, he has a higher expectation of those he mentioned than he do for himself. I guess that explains it.
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Originally posted by Michael:
Funny how the Black community, specifically ambulance chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, a barrage of Black elected leaders, etc., are in mass about the killing of a young underage Black male driver by the LAPD, yet in Black on Black criminal activity ambulance chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, the so-called Black elected leadership, the usual community activists are as silent as silent can get, more likely missing in inaction.


You consider these folks community activists? lol
More like media darlings...the real activists are IN the COMMUNITY being activists with no press around. BTW... done any volunteer work lately?
Now who truly fits the description of that "Hat n Hand Handkerchief Head Negro"?

....and Far too Many Democratic Black Elected Leaders are Indeed Disgraceful! Heck, since the 60's the Democratic Party, through a specifically unethical, self-serving and disgraceful Black elected leadership have been large and in charge of the Black community, to which the Black community is headed towards extinction, due to the sleaze, greed, and blatant incompetence of Black leaders, and the unintelligent from within the Black community who promote these misfits.

Caucasian Americans, by and large, didn't do this. Michael Lofton didn't do this. Just as sure as the sun shines, many of the so-called university educated and/or other misfits, be it preachers, social workers, probation officers, lawyers, foster care providers, police officers, elected officials, etc., etc., from within the Black community surely fit the description, to the letter!

....but as usual, just as with the atrocities perpetrated by Black people to destroy other Black people such as documented by "Killer King/Butcher King Hospital" and its' "bogus Black nurses and doctors", blame the victim or victims, and not the perpetrators!

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I always wondered if you are a white racist trying to conduct some social experiement where you can lower the self-esteem and perception of black people or are you just a self-loathing azz negro who hates himself......man when you go to inbred racists like praeger for validation...you got to be troubled.....so once again Lofton...do you see anything black as worth a f-k? what is your take on black colleges?
"I always wondered if you are a white racist trying to conduct some social experiement where you can lower the self-esteem and perception of black people or are you just a self-loathing azz negro who hates himself......man when you go to inbred racists like praeger for validation...you got to be troubled.....so once again Lofton...do you see anything black as worth a f-k? what is your take on black colleges?" by Kevin41

Well Kevin41,

.....don't need Dennis Prager to validate anything because the truth stands on its own. Should I contact Dennis Prager, or anyone else, this is none of your business. Freedom of expression, as guaranteed by the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, gives me the right to speak or write to whoever I so choose to speak or write to.

...Again as for condemning the entire Black community these are your words and not mine. I choose my own heroes, not you. I have clearly expressed as to who this includes, be it Black, Caucasian, a family member, or otherwise.

.... no need to reply Kevin41, because there will be no further response on this issue. It is pointless, and a waste of my valuable time to continue responding to your worthless input.


"As you are probably aware Loft, the meanest, most ignorant, and most fearful responses come from some of we ourselves, those from our 'so-called' community. I'm sure you can pick them out here. In many cases, you are dealing with actual neurotic social movements or 'myths', like we see everyday in these posts. Here's a true 'whopper' of a puzzler that someone here offered in response to you, a combination neurosis/immaturity syndrome that I've come to the conclusion is fairly rampant in urban america:" Well said Sergeant!

"Hey Lofton, does it anger you at all that despite your 'successes', you are still limited by, and therefore subject, to the rule of your captors?"

It is no mystery as to who this statement came from. Heck, that so-called racist in a Dennis Prager or otherwise has yet to use his connections to block my success, make such a statement, or infer that:

"Does it anger you at all that despite your 'successes', you are still limited by, and therefore subject, to the rule of your captors?".

The above inflammatory quotation came from a member of this board. Again, it is pointless, and a waste of my valuable time to continue responding to such worthless input.
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yeah....that is what is expected of you Lofton....to come in and denigrate black people, offer no solutions your damn self and run like a coward when faced with a specific questions...I see why i am the only one even dignifying your self-loathing bullshit with a response. One day i'll hopefully become as smart as the other progressive brothers and sisters that ignore your dumb azz.........but i'm learning....
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yeah....that is what is expected of you Lofton....to come in and denigrate black people, offer no solutions your damn self and run like a coward when faced with a specific questions...I see why i am the only one even dignifying your self-loathing bullshit with a response. One day i'll hopefully become as smart as the other progressive brothers and sisters that ignore your dumb azz.........but i'm learning....by Kevin41


....more likely, Black people denigrate themselves, and it is not just me saying so!

.....the only cowards who exist, are those from within the Black community, such as a Kevin41 who supports, defends, protects, makes excuses for, harbors, any number of misfits in a no good Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, that no good Congressional Black Caucus, jack leg preachers, etc., etc.

Nothing like factual information to quash name calling, misinformation, etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Lofton,

Find where I have made an excuse for anything....you are the one that is using your past as an excuse to be a self-loathing, black-hating delusional nut case.....so once again you are saying schit that you cannot substantiate.......find the post where I defended any unscrupulous actions on the part of someone else. Once again, you have contracted the foot-in-mouth disease...........
"Find where I have made an excuse for anything....you are the one that is using your past as an excuse to be a self-loathing, black-hating delusional nut case.....so once again you are saying schit that you cannot substantiate.......find the post where I defended any unscrupulous actions on the part of someone else. Once again, you have contracted the foot-in-mouth disease..........." by Kevin41


....again and it is not just me saying so!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Once again Lofton.....you assert yourself with a statement that you are not willing to go back and substantiate....I am going to always call you out on things you just feel like saying that are not actually true.........it is only fair..............



No Change here,

.....nor has it been proven where illegal immigrant-serving-foreign-interests-at-the- expense-of-South-Central-Los-Angeles-unfit-to-hold-the-position-of-so-much-as-"dog catcher"-let-alone-California-State-Assemblyman, in no good Merv Dymally.

It has yet to be proven where he is a citizen. Even if it was proven that he is a citizen, he is still a misfit, and unfit to hold elected office, in any capacity.


....but I suppose, speaking of a no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of a Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc., the 52nd State Assembly District in a Compton, or South Central Los Angeles, would include Africa, Asia, the Carribeans, or other foreign countries??

Enough of no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally. I've condemned many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the Black middle class, etc., etc., with good reason for doing so!

One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood" Burke, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ambulance Chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, "Kerosene" Waters, Killer/Butcher King Hospital, "Little Napoleon" Marc Ridley Thomas, "Always Missing in Action" Congresswoman Diane Watson, the Felon turned Preacher former Congressman Walter Tucker, in a class of poverty pimps beyond all others no good Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, etc., etc., etc., and the so-called Black middleclass and/or university educated who protect, defend, serve, and praise this trash!

....and to think, the Felony Cocaine Snorting former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry, topped it all. Marion Barry would be a "Saint" when compared to these individuals!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Once again Lofton.....you assert yourself with a statement that you are not willing to go back and substantiate....I am going to always call you out on things you just feel like saying that are not actually true.........it is only fair..............


.....same response,

...Where Black people in positions of influence refuse to be responsible, ethical, competent, etc., make no mistake the demographic shift from Black to Hispanic will remove this incompetent Black elected leadership from office.


Well Kevin41,

You and Kweli4Real, can continue on. I'm not about to change course, apologize, etc, etc.

Furthermore, neither you, nor Kweli4Real live in these areas, meaning your input is of little value, because you do not live in a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc.

Unlike you, I have a vested interest in the situation. This being said your input is worthless.

.....nor has it been proven where illegal immigrant-serving-foreign-interests-at-the- expense-of-South-Central-Los-Angeles-unfit-to-hold-the-position-of-so-much-as-"dog catcher"-let-alone-California-State-Assemblyman, in no good Merv Dymally......

.........prove where he is a citizen. It is Merv Dymally's duty to prove to his constituency that he is in fact a citizen, than for me to prove or disprove that he is. So far, it has yet to be published, printed, established, etc., other than to say that Merv Dymally is a native of Trinidad. "Native of Trinidad" and "Citizen of the United States" do not equate. Even if it was proven that he is a citizen, he is still a misfit, and unfit to hold elected office in any capacity.

Well, enough of no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally.

I refuse to narrow this subject matter down to a no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally like you, and Kweli4Real, have the tendency to do.

I have not deviating from the original subject matter, in that far too many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the so-called Black middleclass are truly a disgrace.

I've condemned many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the Black middle class, etc., etc., with good reason for doing so!


One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood" Burke, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ambulance Chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, "Kerosene" Waters, Killer/Butcher King Hospital, "Little Napoleon" Marc Ridley Thomas, "Always Missing in Action" Congresswoman Diane Watson, the Felon turned Preacher former Congressman Walter Tucker, in a class of poverty pimps beyond all others no good Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, etc., etc., etc., and the so-called Black middleclass and/or university educated who protect, defend, serve, and praise this trash!

....and to think, the Felony Cocaine Snorting former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry, topped it all. Marion Barry would be a "Saint" when compared to these individuals!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
Lofton posted:


One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally,

I posted,

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE


SEC. 2. The Governor shall be an elector who has been a citizen of the United States and a resident of this State for 5 years immediately preceding the Governor's election.

SEC. 9. The Lieutenant Governor shall have the same qualifications as the Governor.

IV MEMBERSHIP


The House and the Senate have similar membership requirements. The Senate includes two senators from each of the 50 states, elected for six-year terms. To be a senator, a person must be at least 30 years old, a citizen for nine years, and a resident of the state from which he or she is elected. Most members of Congress have served in state legislatures, city councils, or other elected bodies


Are there requirements to become a Member of the House of Representatives?
Requirements for membership in the House of Representatives are provided in Article I, Section 2 of the US Constitution:

"No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen."
These



Mervyn M. Dymally, Ph.D. (born May 12, 1926 in Cedros, Trinidad and Tobago) is a California politician. Currently a member of the California State Assembly, Dymally was previously a member of the United States House of Representatives, Lieutenant Governor of California and the first African American to serve in the California State Senate. As a member of the House of Representative, he was the first foreign-born black Member of Congress and the first Person of Indian Origin to serve in the U.S. Congress.
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:
Lofton posted:


One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally,

I posted,

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE


SEC. 2. The Governor shall be an elector who has been a citizen of the United States and a resident of this State for 5 years immediately preceding the Governor's election.

SEC. 9. The Lieutenant Governor shall have the same qualifications as the Governor.

IV MEMBERSHIP


The House and the Senate have similar membership requirements. The Senate includes two senators from each of the 50 states, elected for six-year terms. To be a senator, a person must be at least 30 years old, a citizen for nine years, and a resident of the state from which he or she is elected. Most members of Congress have served in state legislatures, city councils, or other elected bodies


Are there requirements to become a Member of the House of Representatives?
Requirements for membership in the House of Representatives are provided in Article I, Section 2 of the US Constitution:

"No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen."
These



Mervyn M. Dymally, Ph.D. (born May 12, 1926 in Cedros, Trinidad and Tobago) is a California politician. Currently a member of the California State Assembly, Dymally was previously a member of the United States House of Representatives, Lieutenant Governor of California and the first African American to serve in the California State Senate. As a member of the House of Representative, he was the first foreign-born black Member of Congress and the first Person of Indian Origin to serve in the U.S. Congress.


illlegal immigrants, undocumented immigrants do not qualify for U.S. Citizenship rights, or U.S. Constitutional protections!

....again, seeing is believing because following rules, respect for law, being ethical, although stressed in most every other community, continue to miss the mark in the typical Black community, South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Oakland, Inglewood, etc., being typical!!


......same response,

.....nor has it been proven where illegal immigrant-serving-foreign-interests-at-the- expense-of-South-Central-Los-Angeles-unfit-to-hold-the-position-of-so-much-as-"dog catcher"-let-alone-California-State-Assemblyman, in no good Merv Dymally.

It has yet to be proven where he is a citizen. Even if it was proven that he is a citizen, he is still a misfit, and unfit to hold elected office, in any capacity.


....but I suppose, speaking of a no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally

.....serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of a Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc., the 52nd State Assembly District in a Compton, or South Central Los Angeles, would include Africa, Asia, the Caribbeans, or other foreign countries??


Enough of no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally. I've condemned many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the Black middle class, etc., etc., with good reason for doing so!

One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood" Burke, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ambulance Chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, "Kerosene" Waters, Killer/Butcher King Hospital, "Little Napoleon" Marc Ridley Thomas, "Always Missing in Action" Congresswoman Diane Watson, the Felon turned Preacher former Congressman Walter Tucker, in a class of poverty pimps beyond all others no good Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, etc., etc., etc., and the so-called Black middleclass and/or university educated who protect, defend, serve, and praise this trash!

....and to think, the Felony Cocaine Snorting former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry, topped it all. Marion Barry would be a "Saint" when compared to these individuals!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE


SEC. 2. The Governor shall be an elector who has been a citizen of the United States and a resident of this State for 5 years immediately preceding the Governor's election.

SEC. 9. The Lieutenant Governor shall have the same qualifications as the Governor.

IV MEMBERSHIP


The House and the Senate have similar membership requirements. The Senate includes two senators from each of the 50 states, elected for six-year terms. To be a senator, a person must be at least 30 years old, a citizen for nine years, and a resident of the state from which he or she is elected. Most members of Congress have served in state legislatures, city councils, or other elected bodies


Are there requirements to become a Member of the House of Representatives?
Requirements for membership in the House of Representatives are provided in Article I, Section 2 of the US Constitution:

"No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen."
These



Mervyn M. Dymally, Ph.D. (born May 12, 1926 in Cedros, Trinidad and Tobago) is a California politician. Currently a member of the California State Assembly, Dymally was previously a member of the United States House of Representatives, Lieutenant Governor of California and the first African American to serve in the California State Senate. As a member of the House of Representative, he was the first foreign-born black Member of Congress and the first Person of Indian Origin to serve in the U.S. Congress.
....again, seeing is believing because following rules, respect for law, being ethical, although stressed in most every other community, continue to miss the mark in the typical Black community, South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Oakland, Inglewood, etc., being typical!!


......same response,

.....nor has it been proven where illegal immigrant-serving-foreign-interests-at-the- expense-of-South-Central-Los-Angeles-unfit-to-hold-the-position-of-so-much-as-"dog catcher"-let-alone-California-State-Assemblyman, in no good Merv Dymally.

It has yet to be proven where he is a citizen. Even if it was proven that he is a citizen, he is still a misfit, and unfit to hold elected office, in any capacity.


"The presumed front-runner in the race for this Compton-area seat was first elected to the state Assembly some 40 years ago. Mervyn Dymally, a onetime pioneer of black politics in California, is not just a former assemblyman, but also a former lieutenant governor of the state and a former U.S. congressman. Now, at 75, he's seeking office yet again.

Not that Dymally hasn't kept busy during his decade in retirement. La-mentably, he's sold himself again and again to some of the most morally repugnant entities on the planet. He's been the registered lobbyist for two nations under attack for permitting the practice of slavery: Sudan and Mauritania. He's also lobbied for the People's Mujahedeen, the Iraqi-funded underground in Iran. Closer to home, he's signed an amicus brief for Lyndon LaRouche against the Democratic National Committee, and a petition urging Bill Clinton to hire LaRouche as an economic adviser. Closer still, he was a front man for the Cato School of Reason, a chain of charter schools that collapsed in scandal after the Weekly disclosed in 1998 that it was collecting public-education funds for students who were actually paying to attend private schools.

Dymally could win this election because black voters are loyal and because Dymally remains active and respected in the community. More amazing still, the Democratic Party seems unconcerned that Dymally might win. Fortunately, there's a clear alternative. Alexandra "Alex" Gallardo-Rooker is a 23-year activist in (and now vice president of) Communications Workers of America Local 9400. In that capacity, she helped coordinate the remarkable effort of harbor truckers to win recognition from the steamship companies, and has run a number of successful organizing drives and political campaigns. She'd bring to the Legislature a keen sensitivity to the needs of California workers. We shudder to think what Merv Dymally would bring." LA Weekly, March 1-7, 2002.


....but I suppose, speaking of a no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally

.....serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of a Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc., the 52nd State Assembly District in a Compton, or South Central Los Angeles, would include Africa, Asia, the Caribbeans, or other foreign countries??


Enough of no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally. I've condemned many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the Black middle class, etc., etc., with good reason for doing so!

One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood" Burke, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ambulance Chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, "Kerosene" Waters, Killer/Butcher King Hospital, "Little Napoleon" Marc Ridley Thomas, "Always Missing in Action" Congresswoman Diane Watson, the Felon turned Preacher former Congressman Walter Tucker, in a class of poverty pimps beyond all others no good Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, etc., etc., etc., and the so-called Black middleclass and/or university educated who protect, defend, serve, and praise this trash!

....and to think, the Felony Cocaine Snorting former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry, topped it all. Marion Barry would be a "Saint" when compared to these individuals!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Man please....I know you do not think for a minute your azz would warrant that much of my time and effort.....I have a life lofton...a really busy one...with my primary career, teaching and starting a consulting firm....i really do not spend time on nonsense.....sorry I gave you that impression by continually trying to communicate with you...the only reason I have posted in response to your bullschit to this extent because it is easy to do so....you cannot even answer simple questions without ducking and dodging the specificity of them....so why would I see you or anything you are concerned with as important to me? I just kept posting the same thing to see how many times you would make a damn fool of yourself....but now that I see that you do not mind being a perpetually incorrect person...there is nothing useful that could ever come from dialogue with you.....and with that...back to class.......
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
quote:


Man please....I know you do not think for a minute your azz would warrant that much of my time and effort.....I have a life lofton...a really busy one...with my primary career, teaching and starting a consulting firm....i really do not spend time on nonsense.....sorry I gave you that impression by continually trying to communicate with you...the only reason I have posted in response to your bullschit to this extent because it is easy to do so....you cannot even answer simple questions without ducking and dodging the specificity of them....so why would I see you or anything you are concerned with as important to me? I just kept posting the same thing to see how many times you would make a damn fool of yourself....but now that I see that you do not mind being a perpetually incorrect person...there is nothing useful that could ever come from dialogue with you.....and with that...back to class.......


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:
man...you really basking in self-importance if you think you can avoid questions and warrant that kind of effort on the part of others......you do have a screw or two loose lofton.......


....same response. What is the matter Kevin41, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of South Central Los Angeles illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood Burke", etc., etc., are you afraid that your threat, etc., will backfire. I have assets worth suing for, should you make this move.

....now it is not saying much for the intelligence of especially a "university professor" who is supposed to be intelligent, to continue holding a conversation with anyone with a screw or two loose.

....The same for you as well ricardomath. Join up with Kevin41. It will be the "salt and pepper" tag team, wishing upon a star that they can convict Michael Lofton of anything!

I'll give those who choose to do this all the time and energy needed to contact no good illegal immigrant representing foreign interests at the expense of the resident of Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc. no good Merv Dymally?

Get the ball rolling Kevin41, or Ricardomath, to start legal action against me! Remember now the other guy or gal can't have any skeletons in the closet if they expect to win. Can't go into any court room with dirty hands, and expect to win.

Oh, for that matter, please call them all in, "Brentwood Burke", Nate Holden, Danny Bakewell, Walter Tucker, Kerosene Waters, no good carpetbagging Martin LudLow, Missing in action Diane Watson, etc., etc......and if it were possible to bring the deceased back to life, you can add no good ambulance chasing attorney Johnny Cochran to this list!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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