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If this selection gives you any new perception, it's that really the only thing governing the current conservative movement is race and white (oops I mean American) superiority.

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After a cocktail, the foursome retired to Sibeni and Chen's disheveled room, where the hosts made the girls fuzzy navels with orange juice and peach schnapps. At which point all let loose their political ids.

Sibeni, who had spiky hair, glasses and a long face, is high-strung and given to rash pronouncements. He denounced assassinated civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. for "dividing the country" and trying to help African-Americans "advance over the white society," and defended American support of the brutal Augusto Pinochet regime in Chile. Chen, who went to high school with Sibeni in Great Neck, Long Island, is easy-going and quick to concede Republican mistakes, mocking his friend's more outré arguments.

While Sibeni declared that Bill Clinton had been more dangerous to America than Osama bin Laden, Chen defended the ex-president's economic program. "Without him," Chen argued, "we would not have had globalization. He took a Republican idea, used it as a Democratic idea, and used it to become the most popular president of all time."

Chen seemed so mild and centrist that at one point I called him a closet Democrat. Taken aback, he replied: "How am I a closet Democrat? I'm racist, I love guns and I hate welfare."

He wasn't kidding. "I'm racist against anybody who doesn't work for a living," said Chen, whose family comes from Taiwan. "We're in Washington D.C. You can guess who that is." He's no fan of religion, but says he's less bothered about paying tax dollars to faith-based programs than to "crack whores who have eight kids because it's easier than working."

"I wish there could be racial equality," said Sibeni, who, while in high school, refused to attend Martin Luther King Day celebrations. "The number one reason there's racial inequality is because of hip-hop."

"For young black men, it glorifies something they try to live up to, and they end up dead or in jail," says Ferruggia, sipping her drink.

Before the Supreme Court's decision upholding affirmative action last month, "I couldn't admit I'm a racist," Chen said. "They admitted they're racist, so now I can too."

All four of them believe they have lost opportunities to affirmative action. "I applied to NYU and I didn't get in," says Sibeni. "My SAT scores weren't the greatest ..."

"You were just another white guy from Long Island," says Ferruggia. "The only person you can really discriminate against anymore is white men."

Ferruggia, the daughter of a pharmaceutical salesman, was valedictorian of her Southwest Florida high school. "I had the highest SAT scores in between five and 10 years" at her school, she says, and feels affirmative action cheated her out of scholarships. "I watched minority after minority after minority accept these awards ... I'm tired of people whining that I'm taking away from them."

"A lot of poor white people in the trenches of Appalachia, they don't complain, they go out and work," said Ferruggia's blond friend, who sat quietly next to her for most of the evening. "Black people have been given a lot of chances ..."

"And they always screw it up," said Sibeni.

Despite his high school rebellion against Martin Luther King, Chen said Sibeni used to be a "docile, pacifist kid" who others picked on. Sometimes, Chen said, he even joined in.

Then something happened to Sibeni in 2000.

He was walking on campus one night and "two African-American males came up to me," he recalled. "They said, 'Yo, nigga, can I get a dollar?' Being the affable person I am, I took out my wallet. They grabbed the wallet, but I took it back. I saw one of them reaching in his pants. He had two circular bandsaw blades. I took off."

Sibeni had the remote-control keys to his Pathfinder, and he said he used them to set the car alarm off. Then he ran to a friend's room and started drinking.

Later that night, he continued, two Estonian exchange students were robbed and "almost beaten to death." Sibeni's attempted muggers confessed to the crime and were given two years in juvenile detention.

After that, Sibeni got into guns. He now owns an assault rifle, a shotgun and a hunting rifle that he always keeps loaded.

Looking at Sibeni sitting cross-legged on his bed, Chen said: "You used to get beat up. Now you're the one beating people up."

Sibeni has brief charitable impulses -- he considered donating his ticket to the Rove dinner to a homeless person, so he could enjoy a free steak. But the idea of being forced to contribute to a broader civic good makes him livid. Taxes, he insisted, should be abolished. Who, then, will build things like roads? "Coca Cola should be building roads just to get exposure," Sibeni said.

"Who's going to build a road in inner-city Baltimore?" asked Chen.

"It's not my problem," said Sibeni.


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SGT...

Same ole SARGE! You're good at asking questions but scared as HELL to answer them.

I would think after you said:
    So this is supposed to be reflective of the 'conservative movement'? In what way?
...That you would have a better fix/take on what is "supposed" to be...

Ah... But, yes!! We are talking about YOU Sarge! The one who can only Tear Down other people's posts but, for fear of having your own post torn down, you are COWARDLY afraid of making definitive post to voice you opinion(s), absent of direct criticism of others.

What a punk you are!
No Sarge...

Answer a question for a change.
What are you scared you might tell a lie? Big Grin

I know, you know that I know that you have a tendency NOT to answer questions when you ask so many of others. Now, you tell how to phrase that kind of behavior in a way you like and maybe I'll use your term for it. But until then... You will always be a PUNK - aZZ - COWARD in my book!
I already did.

Then YOU started the pettiness...(as if the post of yours I responded to wasn't petty already)
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SGT....


You want to tell us what is REFLECTIVE of the "CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT"??
From where I'm from, if you got the nerve to say what something IS NOT then you better know what the hell it "IS". Otherwise, you are obliged to SHUT THE HELL UP!
quote:
Originally posted by sergeant:
So this is supposed to be reflective of the 'conservative movement'? In what way?

Now we are citing anonymous 'fictional essays' written by kids as the basis for stereotyping conservatives?


I think the argument is pretty much settled when you have to question without proof the veracity of a news report in order to salvage whatever credibility the modern conservative movement has,
What argument itaint? You didn't make any argument.

And are you calling this a 'news report'? Why? It is obviously not a news report, its an essay that you can't seem to explain. You can't even cite what the writers motivation for writing it may have been. It sounds like a cute humorous fictional essay in a school paper somewhere.
Are you saying its 'not'?

Are you in the same padded cell as maginat?
ok, since you need the help, I'll play your childish game with you.


So, what is reflective of the conservative movement. Hmmmm, lets see, lower taxes are definitely something reflective. Conservatives are the ONLY ones who are concerned with working people being able to keep more of their own money than they send to washington bureacrats. Liberals NEVER want tax cuts, as that would defeat their entire reason for being.

Ok, who's next? You think itainteazy is capable of explaining what his topic is supposed to be about and how this essay demonstrates that? Do you think he knows its 'fiction' yet? Doesn't sound very confident.

How bout you maginat? I know you've stated you don't care about anything political, but take a try at it, it won't bite you.
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ok, since you need the help, I'll play your childish game with you.


So, what is reflective of the conservative movement. Hmmmm, lets see, lower taxes are something reflective. Conservatives are the ONLY ones who are concerned with working people being able to keep more than they send to washington bureacrats. Liberals NEVER want tax cuts, as that would defeat their entire reason for being.

Ok, who's next? You think itainteazy is capable of explaining what his topic is supposed to be about? How bout you maginat, think you can work your way through this, despite having said you don't care about any of it? Go on, show us what you got.
You have the nerve to say I'm playing a game when your first response to me was and I quote:
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NMAGINATE:
SGT.
You want to tell us what is REFLECTIVE of the "CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT"??
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sergeant:
No. Do you?
For someone who was quick to say "NO" [I don't know what is reflective of the Conservative Movement] you sure seem to have some definite ideas about what conservatives are about, since they are the ONLY...

Again, YOU HAVE TOLD A LIE!!! ... in order to play your little game were you are the one asking all the questions and I guess the rest of us are suppose to answer you because... ???

LMBAO!! Sgt. Big Grin
Lordy, whats REALLY scarey is that another genius doesn't know fiction or satire when they see it. The article doesn't even pretend to be a true account of anything, and doesn't claim to be a 'report' of any type.

You mean, WE of all people don't know stereotypes when we hear them? Funny.

Sorry maginat, but you are boring me now. I mean, No, Yes, and maybe are the only possible choices.
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How bout you maginat? I know you've stated you don't care about anything political, but take a try at it, it won't bite you
Boy how I wish you could begin to show some intelligence.

I never said that I "don't care about anything political". I said I could give a damn about either the Republicans or Democrats!

Now, if in your world everything political is defined by those two-parties I can see you coming to that conclusion but in the real world politics go beyond mere party constructs. What you have is the type relegation of reality to what YOU subscribe to. It would be like saying there is no other religion in the world but Christianity and Islam/Judiasm.

We all know that to be false.
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MALCOLM X on Party Politics:

  • "Any Negro who registers as a Democrat or a Republican is a traitor to his own people."

  • "Our people need to get registered. [They] need to pile up political power, but they need to hold it in abeyance and throw it in . . . when they know it will get results. Don't just throw it because you've got it."

    Differences in Democrats & Republicans.
  • "One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they'll both eat you."

  • "The shrewd capitalists, the shrewd imperialists knew that the only way people would run towards the fox would be if you showed them the wolf. So they created a ghastly alternative . . . "
  • That would more or less typify how I feel.

    And, BTW, he of course did in fact endorse registering and voting... Therefore, you very EUROCENTRIC view that I must fall into your EITHER-OR/ALL-or-NOTHING thinking is a fallacy.(Sgt.)
    And who is lying now maginat?

    hehehe

    And what a shock, YOU won't even dare answer it yourself. My my, such an intelligent informed stance.

    By the way, Malcolm is dead, and so is his idea that political power is beyond the pursuit of black folks. You can wait for whatever it is you waiting for, but those who see no reason or morality in waiting will leave you in their dust and achieve what they desire now, no doubt about that. Thats just life.

    Quoting Malcolm's views of politics in todays world is like listening to Napoleon's war strategies. It may have been appropriate and great for its own time, but noone is foolhardy enough to walk into battle with it today.

    So, wait on my brother. Time is all we got!

    hehehehe
    quote:
    Originally posted by sergeant:
    What argument itaint? You didn't make any argument.

    And are you calling this a 'news report'? Why? It is obviously not a news report, its an essay that you can't seem to explain. You can't even cite what the writers motivation for writing it may have been. It sounds like a cute humorous fictional essay in a school paper somewhere.
    Are you saying its 'not'?

    Are you in the same padded cell as maginat?


    Okay, let's make a deal. You provide me with actual proof that the story is unreliable, and I will start to take you seriously, despite all your desperate ad hominem attack and your tortured and circular logic, 'kay?
    Whatever Sgt.

    Democrats/Republicans have not changed. Neither has the attitude you have as a Black Conservative. There has always been people who think like you and tell me, where has that gotten us. ANSWER: Right where we are now!

    So... if things that are said by people in the past are irrelevant, then I guess ALL the words of the "founding fathers" and the Constitution are IRRELEVANT? Is that what your are saying?

    I wonder why there is a certain element of Black CONservatives who are more than happy to illustrate how certain views of Malcolm X are "conservative" views... hmm...???

    SGT., Don't get upset because you are the ONLY proven LIAR on this board!

    Enjoy it! It is something you excel at! Be proud of your distinction and accomplishment! Big Grin
    Unreliable? Its SATIRE, its not even supposed to be 'reliable'. Are you for real?????

    And actually maginate, there have been very FEW people amongst us historically who think like I do. It took a few decades of folks thinking like you for many of us to realize what is really what. But that is changing rapidly as many of us shift political alliances.

    We'll see what that brings, but of course you are content to 'sit this one out'. So I guess you'll not be part of anything politically, unless of course they bring back the 'whig' party or something.

    Bye now.
    Dumb Sarge...

    There's nothing new under the sun! And that crap you spew is as bout as new as Fred Sanford's 3rd grade underwear.

    Yes, go ahead and try to characterize my position as "setting out"... but don't be offended when I properly call yours what it is without any exaggeration --> SELLING OUT!

    I think I'd rather sit-out than SELL-OUT! anyday!
    The Republicans talk about wanting to gain the black vote and have these negroes get up in front of the community and spew the party line. However at the same time you have people like this, some of whom aren't even white talking in the racist AGAINST African-americans! It's good that these comments are being documented so that the enemy is easily recognizable.

    Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
    Malcolm X, 1965
    Sorry, I just HAD to respond to some of the bullshit being heard here:

    Sibeni, who had spiky hair, glasses and a long face, is high-strung and given to rash pronouncements. He denounced assassinated civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. for "dividing the country" and trying to help African-Americans "advance over the white society," and defended American support of the brutal Augusto Pinochet regime in Chile.

    The Mardin Looder The Coon crap is self explanatory, but then again his support of borderine fascist dictatorships that's responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents does not exactly speak well for the Republican Party's constituency.

    He wasn't kidding. "I'm racist against anybody who doesn't work for a living," said Chen, whose family comes from Taiwan. "We're in Washington D.C. You can guess who that is."

    Oh, how damn convenient. Maybe if he's in Southern Appalacia, he would be racist against the whites that are on welfare, but that's hoping too much since welfare is the most popular convenient excuse for white people and those who sympathize with them to be racist.

    He's no fan of religion, but says he's less bothered about paying tax dollars to faith-based programs than to "crack whores who have eight kids because it's easier than working."

    Oh yeah, crack whores raising 8 kids have it SOOO easy. Fun fact, wannabe, women on welfare have less kids than women not on welfare, and the faith-based boondoggle is even more of a ripoff than welfare, evidenced by the fact that the original champion and believer John DiIulio walked off the administration because the faith-based initiative was just another political patronage game instead of a comprehensive program that would actually - get this - help people.

    "I wish there could be racial equality," said Sibeni, who, while in high school, refused to attend Martin Luther King Day celebrations. "The number one reason there's racial inequality is because of hip-hop."

    "For young black men, it glorifies something they try to live up to, and they end up dead or in jail," says Ferruggia, sipping her drink.


    Oh, GAWD FORBID that the white kids who buy up 60 percent of all the rap records anyway should be in any way affected by the violent lyrics, I'm pretty sure every single black male who got arrested for something got inspired by the latest Wu Tang CD Roll Eyes

    Before the Supreme Court's decision upholding affirmative action last month, "I couldn't admit I'm a racist," Chen said. "They admitted they're racist, so now I can too."

    Wow, a racist AND a pussy who couldn't admit it, nice combination you got there! And I'm sure affirmative action discriminates against whites the same way Jim Crow discriminated against blacks, you dipshit.

    "I applied to NYU and I didn't get in," says Sibeni. "My SAT scores weren't the greatest ..."

    Uh, you had to have a 1450 SAT or a 3.6 GPA in order to get considered for NYU, Einstein. I tore up MY application to NYU once I saw the requirements and forgot about it, why can't you, you racist, pretentious son of an entitlement crybaby?

    "You were just another white guy from Long Island," says Ferruggia. "The only person you can really discriminate against anymore is white men."

    And BWOY, have white men got SPANKED by all that discriminating. They've been SOO discriminated, that a whopping SIX whites were able to prove that they've been discriminated in the workplace during a four-year period, out of another whopping 100 reverse-discrimination complaints filed, which were part of the 3,000 federal discrimination cases studied during that period.

    Oh yeah, whites are SO fuggin discriminated that they lost out on a ONE AND A HALF PERCENT rise in the chances an elite college would accept one of these loser if they eliminated affirmative action, while black enrollment would fall by 70 percent.

    Ferruggia, the daughter of a pharmaceutical salesman, was valedictorian of her Southwest Florida high school. "I had the highest SAT scores in between five and 10 years" at her school, she says, and feels affirmative action cheated her out of scholarships. "I watched minority after minority after minority accept these awards ... I'm tired of people whining that I'm taking away from them."

    What? How much does a pharmaceutical sales rep make in a year? Okay, I'll tell ya: $100,000 a year. Oh yeah, that b**ch is sure disadvantaged Roll Eyes No wonder she's pissed off at minorities who are trying to realize the dream of a college education, I mean, if I was a rich son of a corporate shill who has had every advantage in life, why should I be marginalized in favor of those who are just trying to maintain? That would put me a a *gasp* disadvantage, which would be a foreign concept in my life at that point.

    "A lot of poor white people in the trenches of Appalachia, they don't complain, they go out and work," said Ferruggia's blond friend, who sat quietly next to her for most of the evening. "Black people have been given a lot of chances ..."

    "And they always screw it up," said Sibeni.


    Damn, I guess they're right. Blacks are only 50 percent more likely than whites to own their own business, their participation in college has skyrocketed, their test scores have risen precipitously. . .


    Despite his high school rebellion against Martin Luther King, Chen said Sibeni used to be a "docile, pacifist kid" who others picked on. Sometimes, Chen said, he even joined in.

    Then something happened to Sibeni in 2000.

    He was walking on campus one night and "two African-American males came up to me," he recalled. "They said, 'Yo, nigga, can I get a dollar?' Being the affable person I am, I took out my wallet. They grabbed the wallet, but I took it back. I saw one of them reaching in his pants. He had two circular bandsaw blades. I took off."

    . . .After that, Sibeni got into guns. He now owns an assault rifle, a shotgun and a hunting rifle that he always keeps loaded.


    Hahaha, GOD forbid he should ever be mugged by a white person, which is going to happen to almost all whites anyway since whites will be AT LEAST twice as likely to be mugged by a fellow white person, even in an urban area.

    Damn, if he was ever robbed by one of his own, he would have to overcome his fear of claustrophobia from all the time he'd be shut in Big Grin

    Looking at Sibeni sitting cross-legged on his bed, Chen said: "You used to get beat up. Now you're the one beating people up."

    How, by being a whiny whiteboy Republican, I fuggin shaking in my Tim boots Big Grin

    Taxes, he insisted, should be abolished. Who, then, will build things like roads? "Coca Cola should be building roads just to get exposure," Sibeni said.

    "Who's going to build a road in inner-city Baltimore?" asked Chen.

    "It's not my problem," said Sibeni.


    Oh, I just can't WAIT till these shitbags run the government. By then Liberia will start to look good Smile

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