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Stanley "Tookie" Williams, the founder of the Crips gang who is scheduled to be executed next month, is getting some support from the Oscar-winning actor who portrayed him in a 2004 television movie.

Jamie Foxx, who turns 38 on Williams' execution date (Dec. 13), wants California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to grant clemency for the convicted murderer-turned-author.

A Web site has been created to collect signatures in hopes of convincing Schwarzenegger to spare Tookie's life.

"We can't let [the execution] happen," Foxx told Fox 411 columnist Roger Freidman at the New York premiere of his new movie, "Jarhead." "We've got to do everything we can to get the word out. Do you know they've collected nearly 30,000 signatures so far?"

Williams, who is the author of nine children's books that promote peace, was sentenced to death in 1981 for the 1979 murder of a Los Angeles area 7-Eleven manager, and, shortly thereafter, three other people at a motel.

In 1992, a judge recommended clemency for Tookie after he received two Nobel Peace Prize nominations.
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I normally am against capital punishment, but if anyone ever "deserved" it...

Unfortunately it would be Stanley Williams.

The three unnamed people from the article was an entire family that this man executed.

He made each member watch the other get shot w/ a shot-gun...

The good things that he has done since, may help God forgive him, but he deserves to be hanged.
don't you think he wouldbe more useful to black kids as an example of how to turn your life around as opposed to dead? The death penalty is very barbaric and is on the same level as the crime committed....just because a white man in a black robe orders death as revenge...does not mean that he is no different from the criminal who decided to take a life....should someone come back and kill the judge for ordering him to death.......this is one backwoods hick azz country if i've ever seen one.......
Depends,

Yes we don't have the death penalty but that had more to do that the Liberal party politicians who took the choice away from the citizens and decided for us (Not very democratic).
We were also the haven for serial sex killer Charles Ng who took advantage of a clause in our extradition treaty that ensured that he would not be subject to the death penalty if he was returned to the States.
Civilized? I get rather uncivil when it comes to getting rid of these vermin that prey on the innocent and just so you know I had a sister who was killed by her asshole husband who subsequently killed himself when the cops showed pictures of her battered body that was his handy work.
So I guess I have reeeeaal strong feelings about the subject that ain't up for debate.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
...they say our experiences shape our views ....


Your experiences and your character shape your views. It would be dishonest to say that revenge doesn't ever cross the minds of any one victimized, either directly or indirectly, but true emotional closure comes without vengeance.

Killing the killer will not bring back the dead and it will not repair the hole left in the hearts of the dead's loved ones. It will only be another killing, a legalized killing.
The intention is not to bring back the dead. Revenge is minor the way I see it is that that person will never have a chance to kill again.
No other families will be victim. If you kill you die simple.
I would never let a dangerous dog roam through our neighbourhood killing our children and pets so why would I let a person do the same thing. These people are phsychopaths they see conscience and morality as a weakness to be exploited. They care only for their own gratification at the expense of others.

Stanley "Tookie" Williams, the founder of the Crips gang. This guy has created a legacy of death in the founding of a criminal oraganization that stretches across the US and Canada. His opposition the "Bloods" and his crew vy for control of the drug trade to sell poison to their communities. Drug addiction and bloodshed to the black community and this is the guy you want to save? There are many gang and crime leaders who still control their groups from the safety of a prison cell.
So he wrote some children's books, how many children have died in drivebys??
Kevin41 to answer your question- no

As I said before I would not have a dangerous person or animal running uncontrolled in my neighbourhood. He has killed in the past and it was not a matter that he attempting to defend his family but was cold blooded murder.

I see nothing redeeming and have heard the old con talk of "I have changed I am a better man"before. TFB.
It would have been one thing if it was just one killing that could be explained as perhaps an "accident" but when the body count starts piling up to four or more persons... I also hold him culpable for the actions of his gang as he created and lead it, for the continued victimization of their respective communities drug and gang violence.
Would his living lead to understanding? Would his death? I say let his past victims decide what his fate would be. I know how I would vote if I were on the list.
...and no telling how many Black people Tookie Williams, Tookie's associates, and/or other Black gangs are responsible for killing over three decades.

Heck, in the early seventies, members of the Crips would hold up at gun point, Black men and women who wore Black leather jackets, the jackets owned by the victims.

Many such incidents took place at the Hollywood Bowl, and/or other social events, where under normal circumstances it would not even cross a concert goer's mind that they would be held up at gun point, shot, beaten, maimed, and/or killed, for their clothing, jewelry, wallet, Black leather jacket, etc., etc. while taking in a concert, etc., etc., during a family and friends outing.

It would not be any great loss to the Black community to have Tookie Williams and/or others who have been responsible for the deaths of numerous innocent Black men and women, over the years, put to death.

Mind you, Tookie Williams is on Death Row for killing a Korean family, and a Caucasian male.

.....not to mention untold numbers of Black innocent victims killed or maimed, many no Thanks to the likes of Tookie Williams, other Black gang members, and/or his or their, criminal associates.

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Agents Arrest 8 in Gang Sweep

Action is aimed at drug-related violence in Baldwin Village in southwest L.A. Seven more are detained on parole violations.

By Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer

November 11, 2005

The FBI and Los Angeles Police Department on Thursday arrested what authorities described as the leaders of a gang responsible for 28 murders over the last five years in and around a one-square-mile area of southwest Los Angeles.

Hundreds of heavily armored LAPD officers and FBI agents carrying 16 federal drug indictments stormed locations in the Baldwin Village area, arresting suspected members of the Black P-Stone gang.
The arrest capped more than a year of investigation in which authorities used informants to infiltrate the organization and make drug buys that were recorded secretly on videotape. All of the charges related to drug offenses, including conspiracy to distribute crack cocaine.

"This is a battle between good and evil. These are evil people. They are murderers. They are drug dealers. They poison these neighborhoods," Police Chief William J. Bratton said at a news conference. "We are making a major effort to disrupt and hopefully dismantle the leadership of one of the more prolifically violent gangs in the city of Los Angeles."

Bratton said the Black P-Stones have deep roots in a gritty section of low-slung apartment houses between La Brea Avenue and Crenshaw Boulevard south of Coliseum Street. Baldwin Village, for generations known as "the Jungle" for its rich assortment of tropical foliage, was the backdrop for portions of the crime film "Training Day."

Baldwin Village has long been an island of heavy gang activity in a larger community of middle-class and upper-middle-class neighborhoods that dot southwest Los Angeles at the foot of the Baldwin Hills, said Police Capt. James Craig, division commander for the southwest area.

Baldwin Village is less than a mile square, but the LAPD estimates that it is home to 700 to 800 gang members. Police Lt. Paul Vernon said that is an extraordinarily high ratio "” even for the city's highest-crime neighborhoods. "These are the guys who lure teenagers into the gang life," he said.

Over the last five years, Black P-Stone members have been involved in 800 street robberies and 1,500 aggravated assaults as well as the 28 murders, said Craig.

Bratton has been so concerned about crime in Baldwin Village that he selected the area as one of five neighborhoods to receive extra officers, who are pursuing small crimes such as trespassing in hopes of preventing more serious crimes. Craig said that this effort has reduced crime somewhat, but that officials expect a larger drop in the wake of the arrests.

The FBI and LAPD called the investigation "Operation Stone Cold." Detectives spent more than a year building cases against gang leaders with street nicknames such as "Briminal," "Blaster" and "Bandit."

Authorities said many of the cases are built around videotapes of gang members selling drugs to informants.

"We've worked to put them away for a very long time. Those arrested today face 40 years to life if convicted," J. Stephen Tidwell, assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles FBI office, said at a news conference announcing the arrests.

Authorities had arrested eight people as of 8 p.m. Thursday and were searching for eight others. An additional seven not listed on arrest warrants were detained for alleged parole violations and other charges.

Those arrested Thursday included: Shannon Thomas Adkins, known as "Big Stray Dogg," 31, of Los Angeles; Lorenzo Clay II, known as "Big Man," 32, of Hawthorne; Ronald Herbert Ellis, known as "Blaster," 40, of Los Angeles; Lawrence Eugene Hill Sr., known as "LB" and "Lil Black," 35; David Dermaine Jones, known as "Tall Blood" and "Popkorn," 29, of Los Angeles; Derek Pascascio, known as "PB" and "Quran Durant," 29, of Los Angeles; Aaron Westley Smith Sr., known as "Bandit," 31, of Los Angeles; James Womack IV, also known as "J-Berry" and "J-Bear," 32, of Inglewood.

Eight others remain fugitives: Carlos Merrel Broady, also known as "Wink," 28; Cornel Crosby Carnegie, known as "J.J.," 26; Mark Anthony Dacosta, known as "Marky Boy," 34; Jesse Lee Floyd III, known as "Jesse James," 49; Ronald Lionel Hill Jr., known as "Big Rat Boy," 26; Quentin Lamont Howard, known as "Briminal," 32; Richard Pecantte, known as "Richie," 37; and Ray Dannell Walker.

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Mind you, this activity has been going on since the seventies, in the area commonly referred to as the "Jungle", other parts of South Central Los Angeles, and/or other Black parts of town, activity that has led to the death of numerous innocent Black people over the years, the victims and/or the assailants, being Black people.

The authorities intend to clean up Los Angeles County, the City of Los Angeles, and/or other cities across the U.S., because this is necessary to promote business development, make for a safer environment for families, etc., etc.

....and it is certain, that those who participate in this type of activity have been warned, way in advance. It would behoove those who have not been arrested, to quit while they are ahead. Should they continue to operate, they can't honestly say they have not been warned.

Any individual or group of individuals who choose to continue to be participants in this type of activity, will either conform to respect the rights of others, or policing authorities and the court system will make it very uncomfortable for those who choose to live such a life style, at the expense of the law abiding.

Michael Lofton

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blaqfist--I feel just the opposite. Who has the right to judge 'Tookie' then or now? IMO a tribunal needs to question and hold accountable the very judicial structure that is judging him.

Kevin41--his usefulness is w/o question. The fact that he transcended inside the judicial system shows the true nature of the "beast" that created the judicial system in the first place.

Blacksanction--No one has the right to take another's life and no one has the right to take the life of another who has taken another's life.

When you do your research 'especially in "Destruction of the Black Civilization" by Dr. Chancellor Williams you'll discover just how un-democractic this nation really is....

The very word "civil" has no value, meaning or honor in this country. Ancient Africans--who invented true democracy knew the meaning of this word and practiced it very well.

Isome--Killing the killer "is" barbaric. I wonder if the loved ones have visited "Tookie" and started on their road of forgiveness?

Blacksanction--revenge is what has black people in a pickled situation to this very day; and, contrary to what you say--Tookie was locked up and in essence 'no one else' has suffered since.

The legacy of death ended when he trascended to a higher level of learning and understanding.

Kevin41--His obvious ability to "influence more people to change while alive" is apparent!

Dissident--formerly Keynote I will look into your suggested documentary.

Blacksanction-Tookies action(s) speak louder than any previous convict's talk of "I have changed I am a better man". I know of 2 other men who served time and became better men by their actions rather than words--Malcolm X and Carl Upchurch. Keep in mind Malcolm X did not kill, while Carl Upchurch did. Do you have anyone to add to this list?

Norland--IMO "legalized killing" is the right of no one.

You are exactly correct,though, we live and breath inside the Euro-version of everything, every single holiday and regular day.


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Kevin41 to answer your question- no

As I said before I would not have a dangerous person or animal running uncontrolled in my neighbourhood. He has killed in the past and it was not a matter that he attempting to defend his family but was cold blooded murder.

I see nothing redeeming and have heard the old con talk of "I have changed I am a better man"before. TFB.
It would have been one thing if it was just one killing that could be explained as perhaps an "accident" but when the body count starts piling up to four or more persons... I also hold him culpable for the actions of his gang as he created and lead it, for the continued victimization of their respective communities drug and gang violence.
Would his living lead to understanding? Would his death? I say let his past victims decide what his fate would be. I know how I would vote if I were on the list.


I hear ya..I wasn't necessarily talking about him roaming the neighborhood...i was thinking more of using him as an educational entity to help brothers in there go back to their communities to break the cycles of behavior that got them there in the first place. I try to view the world through an academic lens...not an emotional or passionate one....that can lead you to embrcing illogical ass thinking...like the Lofton,s, CF and Eggewhite types....plus I want my level of analysis towards the solution to black people's problems to be a little more sophisticated than the " Cage em and Fry em" azz solutions the country has for us as of now.......but do not get me wrong, I do respect your views because I am in no position to be judgemental of them........
Thx Kevin41 I respect your thoughts but theory and reality are two different things. This is not an emotion thing with me. I can calmly say that if someone were to harm my family that no matter where they went I would hunt them down Smilewith extreme predudice no matter if it took years.

Had Tookie been a child of 10 or even 16 I might be able to believe the claim that he was a misguided child but he was an adult when he committed these crimes.

He's had 24 more years than his victims to redeem himself.

And now for the academic test.

Would you give the same chance for redemption if this were Adolf Hitler and he was in the process of continuing his progrom against Jews, Russians, and Blacks (Yes there were blacks in Germany at the time). You are alone with him and you have a gun if you kill him it would save millions of lives if you don't you along with those will die. What would you do tick tock tick tock.

I feel the same way about some of the killers out there. Tookie's legacy regardless of what he may do or say is that his gang still exists and still reaps victims.For me that is beyond redemption.

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