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As you know, Israel retaliated for the most recent suicide bombing by attacking what they said was a terrorist camp deep in Syria.

First, by attacking a site across a sovereign border is Israel carelessly escalating what is already an explosive situation? Will that draw Syria into a formal conflict with Israel? Is that what Israel wants?

Second, is Israel suggesting that the woman who carried out the suicide bombing was somehow aided by the operation of the camp in Syria that was bombed? Is there any connection between the act that occurred and the retaliation?

Third, has Israel been emboldened in their actions by the Bush Doctrine - which grants the right to do pretty much anything in the fight against terrorism? Does the Bush Doctrine give countries a green light to execute any preemptive military activities that they desire if positioned as being against terrorists/terrorism, whether there is broad agreement on that or not?

What do you think?


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Originally posted by ThaWatcher:

Is Israel escalating?...no



Attacking another sovereign country doesn't, in your mind, appear to be any different from going after internal terrorist targets? Attacking a sovereign Arab country has the potential of inflaming the entire Arab world. You don't see that as escalating their activities?


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Originally posted by ThaWatcher:

Is there a connection between that woman and the camp?...who knows

Isreal has a right to defend herself like anyone else.


Can you explain the logic then? How is Israel defending herself if she attacks a target that may or may not have been involved in an attack against her? If there is no connection, how is Israel being "reactive"? Reactive to what? Sounds preemptive to me.


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The answers you quoted were answers to two different questions....

Isreal is reacting to the bombing of a bus a few days ago, in which one of the terrorist groups claimed responsibility. Isreal supposedly attacked a camp of said terrorist group. They didn't attack this camp until they were provoked by the bombing....Usually, they don't attack until the Palestinians attack. Then again the Palestinians don't attack until the Isrealis attack...what we have here are revenge killings....attacking Syria seems to be par for the course....
It's so obvious here that they are attacking the main agitating group of Hamas, which the Syrian government has allowed to monitor their borders. (I've been watching C-Span on this.)So what, with the might of D.C. behind them, what can go wrong? They've got lobbyists, representatives at all levels of government and businesses. They think that they've got it going on. But they ought to stop the revenge killings and honor their various agreements with the Palestinians.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
First: Yes.

Second: Yes.

Third: Yes.

And I guarantee the telephone in rang in the White House saying either, "It has happened." or "The planes are on the way." Not so much in the vein of "seeking permission" as a "headsup."

Israel has served notice that those who kill us, or help others kill us will receive retribution.

It is their house, afterall. If they don't do it, who will?

PEACE

Jim Chester

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Originally posted by Yssys:
It's so obvious here that they are attacking the main agitating group of Hamas, which the Syrian government has allowed to monitor their borders. (I've been watching C-Span on this.)So what, with the might of D.C. behind them, what can go wrong? They've got lobbyists, representatives at all levels of government and businesses. They think that they've got it going on. But they ought to stop the revenge killings and honor their various agreements with the Palestinians.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965


I like your Fannie Lou Hay-mer avatar. I learn how to spell her name.

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Jim Chester

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"The Watcher" your avatars are on point. hahaha gotta give that shout.

As for the Isreal attack (not retaliation) they are looking for trouble they believe they could handle.

They think because they have nuks they get auto respect, but if they use them the second hand nuk will wipe them out as well.

They are provoking something that God will spank them for in the very near (less than 5 years) future.

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Tha Watcher sounds like a true Bushite!! He has brainwashed you well! Smile

Isreal was being the arrogant, presumptuous bully it has always been. Defending yourself is one thing, retaliating is another. Isreal retaliated against Palistine by bombing Syria. And got the obligatory pat on the back for it from the Bush Administration that it knew it would.

Period.

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ThaWatcher ... I see that when one person attacks another, it is the person that attacks who is responsible and should be punished. If that person blows themselves up, it is indeed difficult to exact revenge on them! Eek

However, if someone attacks me, I don't go to their house and attack their brother. I don't try to put their cousin in jail because there is a blood relation. Crossing a sovereign border and blowing up a camp that you can only suspect may have housed this person at some point cannot be called self-defense.

Regardless of what both sides are doing each side is responsible for their own wrong doing!! Are you saying, as the good ol' Prez has, that Isreal should not be held responsible for their own actions?? Confused

BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
"Are you saying, as the good ol' Prez has, that Isreal should not be held responsible for their own actions??"

The Hezbolah's and Fatahs of the world are nothing more than terrorist gangs. If you have beef with one, then you have beef with them all. These suicide bombers are being supported, and their families are being rewarded by a terrorist infrastructure. The Isrealis believe that if they take out the financial, educational, and physical support of these bombers then they can stop the bombings....and I can't say that I disagree with that philosophy...Syria isn't as harmless and innocent as it looks...
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The Isrealis believe that if they take out the financial, educational, and physical support of these bombers then they can stop the bombings....and I can't say that I disagree with that philosophy...

Do the Palestinians feel like if the Israeli Occupation machine's financial, material, and political support was "taken out" that its "terror" would stop?

I think the WHOLE WORLD backed by a few UN Resolutions wouldn't disagree with that philosophy/policy!!

Israel isn't as non-provocative and as "peace-loving" as she seems...
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Are you talking to me, Watcher?

If so, I never said either one was "innocent"...

But basically what you are doing here is trying to Master Double-Speak. You'll say neither is innocent and both are "reactively" engaged in "legitimate" revenge killings yet you wish to promote the idea that Israel has a "right" to strike anyone it can surmise to have a beef with them. Sovereign borders don't matter; unsubstantiated evidence doesn't matter... Just because she says so, I guess?? You know... it's in the eyes of the beholder!
(Some of the stupidest, meaningless, and most reckless use of cliches' I ever seen. I hope you really don't think you're saying anything or hiding your real views by doing that.)

Notice how you constantly avoid addressing the ERRORS in your logic.
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ThaWatcher:
} Is there a connection between that woman and the camp?...who knows ___} Isreal has a right to defend herself like anyone else.

MBM:
} Can you explain the logic then? How is Israel defending herself if she attacks a target that may or may not have been involved in an attack against her? If there is no connection, how is Israel being "reactive"? Reactive to what? Sounds preemptive to me.


[This message was edited by Nmaginate on October 10, 2003 at 06:47 AM.]

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