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I think it is.

If I were in the NBA I would not abide by it, I would actually sue to not have to wear not faggoty azz "blazer & tie"...

Excuse my French but this is plane dumb.

They will eventually put afros, dreadz & corn rollz on the list just wait and see.

We better stop letting white people define what racism is and whay it aint...

There is no beter way to keep niggas on plantations then to define thier reality for them...
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I have thought about this over the past couple of days and have concluded, it is racist but should not be likened to the kind of racism that thwarts Black upward mobility.

Truthfully, I looked at myself and asked could I come to work dressed as these brothers dress? The answer is no. So then I asked is my job dress code racist or one meant to project a particular image? I answered the later. The image the company I work for seeks to project is one that they believe will benifit them and has absolutely nothing to do with me personally because everyone is affected by the dress code. I know what you thinking now, the NBA is majority Black and because of that maybe the dress code should be more intune with the majority way of dressing. I agree but when you are a slave to the dollar $$ , a highly paid and rich slave albeit you still do not have control over yourself, your master does.

BTW, I do not think there is anything faggoty about a Blazer and Tie... $$
I have to 'log in' as 'not opposed' to the dress code. I also do not thing the bling-bling, do-rag, etc is racist.

Granted these are things more typically worn by African American players. Notably, those things are NOT synonymous with 'black'.

The African immigrant players don't seem to typically wear the attire.

So it is NOT 'a black thing'.

You may be right that next it will 'fro's' and 'twists'.

You might extend it to gold teeth, and earrings.

I don't think items of dress is the point where we should holler 'foul'.

There was a time when the African American entered the dressing room before the game, and left the dressing room after the game 'choke four-high' well groomed, and 'looking goood'.

Clearly, times have changed, and are 'seen' as going 'downhill.'

Playing basketball is a J-o-b.

The employer has a right to 'draw the line.'

It IS his ball.

The employee has the right to quit.

Or sue.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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I know what you thinking now, the NBA is majority Black and because of that maybe the dress code should be more intune with the majority way of dressing.
Actually, it's exactly the opposite. As you so yourself, many a fan and commentator about this situation will look at the prevailing norms in the "real world", etc. A lot of people's sentiments are, "Hey. If I have to wear certain types of clothes to my job and look "presentable" then they should to." But the problem is, very few people stop and think what their job is and what's necessary to uphold or present the image that should be projected.

MLB basically called the NBA's deal bullshit. Baseball doesn't have and at the same time doesn't make an issue out of what is really a non-issue.

Me, I pretty conservative, dress-wise, myself and damn near despise all that high-end designer wear or bling-bling stuff. But what I like and even what I have to wear to my job, which sure isn't anything comparable to sports, really should have nothing to do with how I view this situation.

What's so "racist" about the NBA Dress Code is the attempt to "control"... It's an obvious response to the racist fans, Black and White, and the fear that the Hip Hop "thug" image via clothing can be "dressed up" in a shirt and tie and, somehow, those same racist fans not be as racist. Well, maybe I'm wrong. If David Stern can show he has good control over his "N*ggers" maybe White folks will flock to the NBA and disregard the tattoos and cornrows and forget, like they did with Jordan, etc. that A.I. and the most Hip Hop of players are actually BLACK. Oops! I meant, as Chris Rock would say, "N*ggers".

There is suppose to be some readily discernable difference that clothing just automatically gives away. Not that PROFILING has anything to do with it.

Seriously, though, when David Stern himself speaks about the situation and basically calls and treat the players as kids and not as adults (see quote below) that stuff definitely can't be separated from the racist-based "image" the NBA that he is supposedly trying to clean up -- superficially. Some of this is due perhaps because of how NBA players are, when they sit on benches in plain clothes, much more visible than players in other sports.

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"If they are really going to have a problem, they will have to ***make a decision about how they want to spend their adult life*** in terms of playing in the NBA or not," Stern said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2195141
And that's old-school and duly noted as ineffective or counterproductive management. In fact, it's a poor management style. But I guess it looks good and makes David Stern a big man... or THE MAN (coming down on the brothers showing them who's boss).

I do have a suggestion though... How come they couldn't reached a simple agreement to have the players come and go to the arena in some sort of Team Paraphenilia, whether warm-ups or what-have-you, and place an emphasis on promoting that NBA image? Players could choose from any number of their respective teams wardrobe or clothing with their Teams Logo to express a certaim amount of individuality while at the same time presenting team and league spirit/image.

This is pretty interesting:
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Our referees are always attired a certain way based upon their job description when they come into the building. Our coaches are attired a certain way when they come on the court. We decided that it was time [for the players]."
And the players "job description" calls for what exactly?

Are the NBA players going to have "Dress Down Days"? When will they get that treat? I mean, seriously... What part of a basketball players "job description" calls for a shirt & tie? Are the referrees wearing 3-piece suits when they come and go to games?

I just wanna know...

I'd also like to know how come this isn't an issue with any other professional sports league. We know why it's become one with the NBA. Obviously it has reached Critical (and threatening) N*gger Mass.
Firstly fellaz', being an athlete is not the equivalent to having a job...

They have similarities but are not equals.

To put it in automotive terms...

A car salesman is an employee of the company..

What is the car?

Players are the car...

They are what people come to see, purchase or buy...

Employees contribute to the finished product, but they are NOT the finished product.

In the real world the only equal to what players are, is an entertainer / recording artist / actor.
Thank you, Blaqfist...

Very interesting and insightful perspective.
Of course, an argument can be made that NBA players are a combination of both - product and employees. But I see your point.

I just have real problem with all that Power Plays involved, all the overtones/undertones and how this does not compare with other sports or whatever can reasonably be called their "job description".

Maybe Stern should unveil that part of their "job description" that requires this Dress Code. That and the actual common sense behind it...

In my job, I'm required to wear shirt & tie. But, considering the nature of my job, and the instances when we don't have to uphold the highest image via clothing due to less actual contact with the public, my "uniform" has some flexibility that is tailored towards what I'm actually doing on a given day.

So the question becomes: What are the players doing, day in and day out, when they merely come and go to games? What makes it necessary for them to dress up so much? Their contact with the public is minimal. When they have autograph signings, those are hardly in shirt and tie. And, hell, they are athletes. It's their job to be "athletic". So what's really up with that?
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Originally posted by Faheem:
I have thought about this over the past couple of days and have concluded, it is racist but should not be likened to the kind of racism that thwarts Black upward mobility.

Truthfully, I looked at myself and asked could I come to work dressed as these brothers dress? The answer is no. So then I asked is my job dress code racist or one meant to project a particular image? I answered the later. The image the company I work for seeks to project is one that they believe will benifit them and has absolutely nothing to do with me personally because everyone is affected by the dress code. I know what you thinking now, the NBA is majority Black and because of that maybe the dress code should be more intune with the majority way of dressing. I agree but when you are a slave to the dollar $$ , a highly paid and rich slave albeit you still do not have control over yourself, your master does.

BTW, I do not think there is anything faggoty about a Blazer and Tie... $$


tfro
And the fact that they get paid so much money has what to do with the dress code?

The fact that they are grown men, for one, means the NBA could have and should approached this and those grown men in a more MATURE manner as opposed to a REACTIONARY one. PERIOD!

And spoiled people are nothing new... But whether spoiled or not, what does that have to do with with this ruling?

And, yes, FAHEEM... It is being reported pretty widely that even Tim Duncan doesn't like the rule. And, of course, Mark Cuban is telling all the company secrets.

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Contrary to popular belief, the dress code wasnt in response to a problem with any players, it was in response to problems with owners.

...In a nutshell, they dont talk to their players.

Its amazing to me that this is really only a problem in professional sports. In "regular" business... I can trust my managers to maintain relationships with all of our employees. When there is a corporate initiative, we know how to work through any trouble spots and to learn as an organization how to overcome problems, whether internal or external.

Those skills dont exist everywhere in the NBA.

For many teams, I dont even want to say most teams, if the team wants to try something different , they are truly afraid of how their players, particularly their stars might respond. Its the teams that are afraid of their players.

Its funny how the media likes to talk about the fundamentals of the players on the court being lacking, the real lack of fundamentals is in the teams' executive suites.

A couple corporate customers of the league... were uncomfortable with the appearance of some players.
...Ownership didnt feel comfortable asking those players to work with the teams for the best of the league.
http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000247063975
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Originally posted by SistahSouljah:
They'll say we're playing the race card, but this is off the wall. The majority of the NBA IS Black, and it's obvious that they are trying to do away with the cultural influences Blacks have on basketball. Trying to get more white people involved is all it is.


So lets get this straight, by telling folks to dress better or more professional is somehow trying to get rid of the cultural influences blacks have on basketball, dressing better is not going to do that, having more European league players will do that quicker than a dress code.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
And the fact that they get paid so much money has what to do with the dress code?

The fact that they are grown men, for one, means the NBA could have and should approached this and those grown men in a more MATURE manner as opposed to a REACTIONARY one. PERIOD!

And spoiled people are nothing new... But whether spoiled or not, what does that have to do with with this ruling?

And, yes, FAHEEM... It is being reported pretty widely that even Tim Duncan doesn't like the rule. And, of course, Mark Cuban is telling all the company secrets.

quote:
Contrary to popular belief, the dress code wasnt in response to a problem with any players, it was in response to problems with owners.

...In a nutshell, they dont talk to their players.

Its amazing to me that this is really only a problem in professional sports. In "regular" business... I can trust my managers to maintain relationships with all of our employees. When there is a corporate initiative, we know how to work through any trouble spots and to learn as an organization how to overcome problems, whether internal or external.

Those skills dont exist everywhere in the NBA.

For many teams, I dont even want to say most teams, if the team wants to try something different , they are truly afraid of how their players, particularly their stars might respond. Its the teams that are afraid of their players.

Its funny how the media likes to talk about the fundamentals of the players on the court being lacking, the real lack of fundamentals is in the teams' executive suites.

A couple corporate customers of the league... were uncomfortable with the appearance of some players.
...Ownership didnt feel comfortable asking those players to work with the teams for the best of the league.
http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/1234000247063975


And how is the fact that being asked to dress better racist?
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
That's the point.

BETTER?!

Is this BETTER all inclusive of the BLACK COMMUNITY?

OR is it merely a EUROPEAN imposed opinion of what's FASHIONABLE?


So when you wear a suit do you consider it copying a European idea of dress or just the fact being well dressed includes the idea of wearing a suit.
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And how is the fact that being asked to dress better racist?
JD, you got some questions of mine to address first. Plus I've stated my reasons already.

I await your responses to my questions to you.

BTW, clothing is an cultural artifact. And it matters not what someone "thinks" when they wear a suit. But please, do tell: Wearing a suit has what to do with Basketball?

Stern said it was about clothing to fit their "job description"... A suit or "business casual" has what to do with Basketball?

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