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To the Men Who Are Hating on Ciara for Getting Engaged: Get Over It 

She Matters: Stop being mad because the single mom found an upgrade to a bad ex.

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Ciara's been in the entertainment scene for over a decade, since she was introduced as the oddly titled princess of “Crunk & B” on her debut single, “Goodies,” in 2004. She’s had a few high-profile relationships. In 12 years, I can name three, maybe four men she’s dated. One includes Nayvadius “Future” Cash, her former fiance and the father of her son, also Future. 

Her current beau and new fiance (as of Friday) is Russell Wilson, an NFL quarterback who took her to the White House on an early date, occasionally pushes her son’s stroller and seems genuinely happy, based on pictures, to have Ciara and her son in his life. By all accounts, he’s an upgrade, which isn’t all that hard when your ex is the type of guy who publicly calls you “a bitch.”

All in all, to me, Ciara seems like a nice woman without any real controversy (other than her ex, who likes to put their business in the streets). And she’s hardly worthy of the ire she’s drawn in some circles from those who think that she—as well as single mothers like her—is undeserving of Wilson. 

From what I can make of the negative memes and the butthurt-status updates about her, there are people—mostly men—who believe that because Ciara has previously been linked to rappers, and her child is by one, she’s of a lower status among women.

For these men, who evidently never got “the girl,” Ciara is the embodiment of the type of woman who ignores “good men” (like them, of course), the one who makes poor life choices, then looks for the type of man she ignored to come clean up her mess. She’s the “disrespectful ho”—a  slur assigned based, I think, on the fact that she’s dated several rappers, is a single mom and dating a man who seems to treat her child like his own (as any man who dates a single mother is supposed to)—that a naive Wilson is mistakenly trying to turn into a housewife. Never mind that Wilson, 27, who got divorced after a two-year marriage, can’t be that naive about relationships.

All to which I say, “Huh?” 

There seems to be a popular—though completely b.s.—notion that dictates that single mothers should be single for eternity;  that because they had a child out of wedlock, they are unworthy of love from anyone of substance and should be doomed to a life of dating flaky men who will never marry them or even claim them. Their children should never be accepted by any man, perhaps even including the children’s own father. And their single motherhood is solely their fault for having premarital sex and not requiring a man to marry them first. There’s never a word asking why the man they conceived the child with didn’t use a condom or why he didn’t ask for marriage or force the issue before conception or immediately after learning of such. Everything about how women become single mothers rests solely on the mother. 

With a genuine interest, I’m trying to figure out what Ciara did wrong to attract so much hatred. She dated some rappers in her 20s. OK. As a culture, we seem to have no problem with men who date video vixens and Instagram models with no other discernible income throughout their first decade of adulthood. I mean, where are the memes about men who obsess over strippers and how it will make them unsuitable husbands to a decent woman (whatever that means)? They don’t exist. So why is a woman who is dating cute (and rich) men—who are also entertainers, just as she is—such an issue? Oh, because she’s a woman and women are “supposed to ... ” To what? Always make perfect decisions? Only date to find a husband? Only date guys no one knows? Help me out here. 

She became a mom with a man she planned to marry. It didn’t work out. She moves on, even made a song about it. And as she sang she would, she found a man who seems to adore her and treats her kid well. Isn’t that what a responsible, dating mother is supposed to do? Or was she not supposed to date at all because “good” mothers don’t date? Was she supposed to have a man in her life who didn’t treat her and her child well? Oh. I got it. She was supposed to stay tethered to a dysfunctional man to keep her family intact.   

In what world?

Let’s keep it 300, like the Romans. There are a lot of men, bottom-feeder types, who don’t know how to step up in relationships, and they spend their days spewing nonsense about women to keep themselves relevant and to keep women scared of being alone and afraid that a bad situation is the best they can do. Wilson isn’t the first—and won’t be the last—man to date and propose to a single mom, but his relationship with Ciara is a public reminder of how men step up when they are interested, and how all the terrible things said about single moms and the negative way that men allegedly perceive them just isn’t true. By living and likely never thinking about this, she’s become an example to women who might be thinking that single motherhood makes a woman less than; she’s letting them know that, nope, you still got options, boo. And good ones, too. 

Ciara’s relationship success has placed fear in the hearts of shady men. They are mightily threatened, and not by Ciara, per se, but by the idea that the women they’ve been half-stepping toward could one day get a clue, too. All these memes and ranting status updates? Weak men desperately fighting to maintain the idea that they should be valued for adding nothing. I see you, and I see right through you. Hopefully, the women you encounter do, too. 

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It's amazing just how many Black men so easily take whatever "bait" their oppressors sit out for them to gobble up.  

In this case, critics of Ciara merely because she has a child, that and all of their imagined or delusional (because having access to the internet and 'social media' couldn't possibly make know them know anything about her real life first hand.

Too bad they are too ignorant to know that they are being "baited" by a Racist Propaganda Machine to be brainwashed and socially conditioned to hold their own women in contempt [while idolizing all others, though], which only serves to kill all his seed that can't be diluted through interracial marriage and relationships.  

It's really quite ingenious; achieving birth control and population control of an entire race of people by Social Conditioning and Brainwashing seeds of contempt and condescension in Black men toward their own women via Propaganda Psychology.

I agree with what Dynast Amir said, I think he hit the nail on the head. Which is why many women can't find a man when they are ready to stop being ran through by low lifes. It does begin in High School, some of the best girls by looks and books were ruined and ran through by thugs and no good niggas. I could name a bunch of girls that practically gave their bodies away to no good niggas. Then when they get near thirty they look for a SIMP, a square, a sucker for financial security and stability, to save them.

What I find interesting that Ciara said she preferred "rebels", thugs, gangstas and then she said that Russell Wilson was all about "TIMING" and what is "BEST" for her at this point in her life. I think Russell Wilson is a SIMP and is being played. Why not pursue a woman of honor that maintained a level of decency and did not whore herself out to dogs. Russell Wilson is supposed to be a big Christian but instead of getting a woman that values decency, virtue and honor, someone who deserves to be put on a pedestal, he's engaged to the leftovers of rappers and gangstas and is 1 of 6 different baby mommas by a self-described gangsta.

That is what men are reacting to. Russell Wilson is setting a bad example. It's his life but he is in the spotlight. 

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this is one of the reason why I never dated a single mom.  They are looking for simps at that point in their lives.  I deserve to have a woman that was childless like myself so that we can build a relationship and then a family, if we chose to.  As for Russell Wilson, I think he probably misses his dad.  As I recall, his dad passed away and he didn't have another father figure male to help guide him through adulthood.  

As for Ciara, you break that simp!!!  Most guys with money aren't going to take you seriously, kinda like how Future did not take you seriously!!....You came up!!!

 

The lesson here, as I see it, is for fathers to lead your sons in the right direction.  They need us to help them navigate through important life decisions.  If your son finds a woman that is 'Mom approved', please understand that her viewpoint is not enough and could lead your son to be a Super Simp, like Russell...raising someone's kid and having that kid's father threatening you like Future did when they heard about the engagement.  

RadioRaheem posted:

this is one of the reason why I never dated a single mom.  They are looking for simps at that point in their lives.  I deserve to have a woman that was childless like myself so that we can build a relationship and then a family, if we chose to.  As for Russell Wilson, I think he probably misses his dad.  As I recall, his dad passed away and he didn't have another father figure male to help guide him through adulthood.  

As for Ciara, you break that simp!!!  Most guys with money aren't going to take you seriously, kinda like how Future did not take you seriously!!....You came up!!!

 

The lesson here, as I see it, is for fathers to lead your sons in the right direction.  They need us to help them navigate through important life decisions.  If your son finds a woman that is 'Mom approved', please understand that her viewpoint is not enough and could lead your son to be a Super Simp, like Russell...raising someone's kid and having that kid's father threatening you like Future did when they heard about the engagement.  

It makes no sense to call this guy a "simp" merely because he's dating a woman that has a child.  Hell, who calls women "simps" for dating men that already have a child(ren)?  No one.  So, this is a double-standard, sexist view.  

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a man choosing to NOT date or marry a woman that already has a child, but there is also absolutely nothing wrong with a man choosing TO date a woman that already has a child.  It's a personal choice and an personal decision either way.  

Who knows, he may really like Ciara and doesn't care if she already has a child or not, and there is nothing wrong with that.  Besides, at this point, they are only dating, and as I remember, dating is merely hanging out together, companionship, and the chance to get to know a person well enough to know whether or not you actually want to get serious or commit to any serious relationship or even marriage.  

They may date for a while, party together, make some beautiful memories together, and eventually move on to another relationship, and you already have them walking down the isle.  

But, one thing men really need NOT do, is date a woman that has a child, if he's going to resent the child or the woman the whole time he's in a relationship with her.  And any woman that has a child and dates a man that resents the child. or resents or has a condescending opinion of her because she has a child is a damn fool.  

But in the grand scheme of things, it really boils down to "Different Strokes, For Different Folks".

 

 

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RadioRaheem posted:

this is one of the reason why I never dated a single mom.  They are looking for simps at that point in their lives.  I deserve to have a woman that was childless like myself so that we can build a relationship and then a family, if we chose to.  As for Russell Wilson, I think he probably misses his dad.  As I recall, his dad passed away and he didn't have another father figure male to help guide him through adulthood.  

As for Ciara, you break that simp!!!  Most guys with money aren't going to take you seriously, kinda like how Future did not take you seriously!!....You came up!!!

The lesson here, as I see it, is for fathers to lead your sons in the right direction.  They need us to help them navigate through important life decisions.  If your son finds a woman that is 'Mom approved', please understand that her viewpoint is not enough and could lead your son to be a Super Simp, like Russell...raising someone's kid and having that kid's father threatening you like Future did when they heard about the engagement.  

It makes no sense to call this guy a "simp" merely because he's dating a woman that has a child.  Hell, who calls women "simps" for dating men that already have a child(ren)?  No one.  So, this is a double-standard, sexist view.  

*He is a Simp because he is trying to deal with a woman that dated thugs...marrying her makes no sense....if he is trying to save her or make her an honest woman....he is a simp because she did that to herself.  did you see the picture I posted on this thread  Ciara with Russ vs Ciara with Future....same woman...different realities!!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a man choosing to NOT date or marry a woman that already has a child, but there is also absolutely nothing wrong with a man choosing TO date a woman that already has a child.  It's a personal choice and an personal decision either way.  

*I agree with the first part and partially agree with the second part.  there OFTEN is something wrong with dating a woman with a kid...it depends on how the kid came about...was it a marriage that somehow failed?  or was it a teen mother situation??  teen moms are often irresponsible and this will show in her male co=parent choices.  A wise man would avoid these women ASAP...esp. if he is planning on building something in the future, i.e. a marriage, a business, and/or a happy, drama-free life 

Who knows, he may really like Ciara and doesn't care if she already has a child or not, and there is nothing wrong with that.  Besides, at this point, they are only dating, and as I remember, dating is merely hanging out together, companionship, and the chance to get to know a person well enough to know whether or not you actually want to get serious or commit to any serious relationship or even marriage.  

*nobody is saying that he doesn't like Ciara, but Future already threatened to harm Russell.  That's not a normal situation and a situation that could have been avoided completely by not dealing with Ciara.  Here's a question for u=you....and please answer honestly.  If Russ and Ciara are at their house and Future shows up and starts yelling and screaming about something that involves their kid, should Russ intervene??  

They may date for a while, party together, make some beautiful memories together, and eventually move on to another relationship, and you already have them walking down the isle.  

But, one thing men really need NOT do, is date a woman that has a child, if he's going to resents the child or the woman the whole time he's in a relationship with her.  And any woman that has a child and dates a man that resents the child. or resents or has a condescending opinion of her because she has a child is a damn fool.  

But in the grand scheme of things, it really boils down to "Different Strokes, For Different Folks".

*I'm looking at it from a safety and logically sense perspective...why involve yourself in a situation that COULD be harmful to your health?  Russ is kinda a cornball/nerd  (according to his teammates) and Ciara is the hottest chick at the high school....  he needed to have a father help him figure out his value...I say dad here because, as I mentioned earlier, Russ said that Ciara was 'mom approved', meaning that mom might just like the fact that Ciara is Black and Russ's first wife was a white woman....you see, mom's approval of Ciara could be based on emotion...dad's logic is needed here.

As a final note, I think Russ, and brothers like him, should date up and not pick up the trash of people like Future, who as was mentioned above, already has a full starting basketball lineup of kids, plus one......Women that CHOOSE to be in situations like that need to just manage it the best they can....alone or with another Future-type dude that is already a mess.  

 

I heard that Russell won't ask her to sign a pre-nup.....Dads matter!!

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You can't turn a hoe into a housewife. Actually, it does happen. Good luck anyway but he will find out the hard way that he is being played. A woman pushing up on you with a 7 month old child sees you as a simp. Caira said she likes "rebels" but we know what she was saying she really likes thugs, gangstas and slickstas. And then she said it was all about "timing" with Russell Wilson, LOL. Women are finding out once you make a life with dogs you are stained, unless you can find someone that don't know about you, that is why simps are in huge demand, it's so many hoes that want to be saved.  

Women willingly get hoed out and passed around among thugs and then look for that square, the nice guy, they ignored, made fun of after years of being abused and treated like trash and making babies. Brothas, don't feel sorry for them and save them, let them be an example to other women to not hook up with low lifes and think it's cool and fly. 

There is a stroll that has sometimes 20, 30 females working and many of them are really pretty, some are freaking gorgeous, some exotic pretty and some are really young too, 16 to 21 years old maybe. And I often wonder how did they get sucked in like that? I just don't get it. Hell, if they got a job and appeared to be decent they could find a sucka but they would rather be hookers and sticking with the pimp, boyfriend, thug or whatever. 

I have seen this among some of my relatives, start out beautiful, book smart with good grades, from good homes, pretty as can be, sexy too and they know it but the big mistake they make, they want to be with a thug, a rapper, a gangsta, the slick dude with no skills or no higher education, the party\club promoter, why?  Never understood it, in every single case not one of them found a simp to save them because they have been through hell and back and too damaged even for a simp. And have children that barely knows their father or who exactly who he is or just don't know. 2 of them have gone lesbian and really I can't blame them after what they been through with dudes but it's often the case they save each other.   

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Brotha RR wrote:  

this is one of the reason why I never dated a single mom.  

I'm glad you did.  Too many times brothas give single moms the wrong idea.  And the hidden agenda for them?  Sex.

They are looking for simps at that point in their lives.  

When you say simp....what do you mean?

I deserve to have a woman that was childless like myself so that we can build a relationship and then a family, if we chose to.  

That's the way it's supposed to be.  But there are a lot of distractions today that weren't there back in the day.  So I commend you for knowing what you want in life and not confusing lust for love.  There's a great difference.  And in life...just the fact that you can find your soul mate is a gift.  And just like in life...things sometimes come in packages.  Doesn't make it worse or better.  Just is.  It's the journey you aspire to. And you have to look at the quality of a person.  Not the status. [BTW...(all) black women (not some) DESERVE the same consideration my brotha...the exact same.]

As for Russell Wilson, I think he probably misses his dad.  As I recall, his dad passed away and he didn't have another father figure male to help guide him through adulthood.  

But he's with...as I think you may be pointing to...a lot of brothas his age without fathers.  The rate is high for fatherless sons.  And...daddyless daughters.  And it's been that way for a long time....especially during the 80s and 90s when the black community collapsed as a result of gangs/drugs.  And something else my friend.  "Real" black people didn't judge other black folks for their mistakes or misfortunes in life.  We were all in it together....including fatherless children.  We knew we had to stick together or massa would wipe us out like he has so many others.  So for us?  Every black person had VALUE...and it wasn't by martial status.  It was simplier back then....and much more successful for us as a people.  Now? Not so much.  And you gotta know there is a connection in how we feel toward each other as individuals and how massa reacts to how we treat each other as a culture.   Can't have it both ways my brotha.  Can't be I'm black and I'm proud and then call a black woman a itch.  We as a people depend on our black men to have some form of integrity.

As for Ciara, you break that simp!!!  Most guys with money aren't going to take you seriously, kinda like how Future did not take you seriously!!....You came up!!!

Up from where?  I don't understand.  Does money really cause you to rise up?  Cuz for me?  Money couldn't solve my problem. I wanted my son.  And would have given ANYTHING....to get him back.  So I'm at a lost when young black folks say..."I'm dating up."  Up from where?  Hell? 

The lesson here, as I see it, is for fathers to lead your sons in the right direction.  They need us to help them navigate through important life decisions.  If your son finds a woman that is 'Mom approved', please understand that her viewpoint is not enough and could lead your son to be a Super Simp, like Russell...raising someone's kid and having that kid's father threatening you like Future did when they heard about the engagement.  

Well Future is an idiot.  He's immature.  And it clear he is NOT ready to be a black man...let alone a father.  Most hip hoppers and rappers have warped way of treating black women.  It is heartbreaking how massa has conditioned them to love money more than their own people.

One of the main reasons why I respect you so much my  brotha is that you get it. You get your role as a black man....your role as your wife's protector...your role as a black father.  Your role as one of the co-leaders in your family.  I can tell over the years how you have grown.  10 years ago?  We were still fighting.  And now I can see so much growth and maturity in you...it makes my heart just patter..like it does with  my children.  Our culture need STRONG black men like you.  No.  I don't know you.  No.  Never laid eyes on you.  However, visual is just that...visual.  Words are powerful and from what I feel from you?  You are the stalwart vision for the black men in your generation.  And it makes me feel SAFE...that we still have our men warriors out there ready to fight for our cause.  The black cause.  You know how  to maintain the dignity, integrity and legacy of our amazing people.  For that?  Thank you.    But we  have STOP being "caste" toward our people.  So what!!!.  She's a single mom with a kid.  She's a human being and a black woman with a kid who may or may not needs help from her community-not judgment and definitely not criticism.  When they say it's hard being a pimp?  It's hard being a single black woman not being loved by her OWN people.  Cuz the child could have been aborted....but SHE choose not to do it.  Does that make her less than a human being for doing something completely natural?  

Remember massa created marriage to extend the chain of slavery onto his selected wife-a method adopted by most religions that have nothing whatsoever to do with being human.  Man's law about women.  As why in some religions man can marry as many women he can afford-that's chattel with a ring on it. It's still slavery.  Ask the five year old bride or the two-day old infant wife.  So we as Africans...have to be careful how we dishonor our women.  They are wounded casualties of a war we didn't declare.  And this thing is testimony of how black men look at black women as if the black women aren't worth their chivalry....love...commitment...loyalty and yet these black women did what  other whores married or not didn't do....and that's use their African aggression to free their people.  How you gon get mad at that?  We're not mad at the black men for doing absolutely NOTHING to save us....we didn't say a word when black men [willingly] succumbed to massa's wrath by being his mentally castrated kept eunuch protecting massa's harem.  So why does black men think they can just throw shade toward us?[for something they are supposed to do for us as men..anyway]  Cuz they think they can. Do they really think they're better cuz they can swing it left and right?  Well...that's why we are being targeted as a people cuz we don't love each other enough to see that we are merely human beings just trying to survive in a world that used us up...and now don't want us. Hell...we don't even want us.  Sad.BTW:  Remember some of yall have daughters. Which means potentially other black men might be saying the SAME exact [disrespectful, cruel, non-empathic and completely  arrogant] thang about them.   But

 

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Brotha Momentum wrote:  

You can't turn a hoe into a housewife. Actually, it does happen. Good luck anyway but he will find out the hard way that he is being played. A woman pushing up on you with a 7 month old child sees you as a simp. Caira said she likes "rebels" but we know what she was saying she really likes thugs, gangstas and slickstas. And then she said it was all about "timing" with Russell Wilson, LOL. Women are finding out once you make a life with dogs you are stained, unless you can find someone that don't know about you, that is why simps are in huge demand, it's so many hoes that want to be saved.  

  Am I hearing things?  Or is it I'm just getting tooooooooo old?  Either way it is troubling to hear brothas talk that way about sistas...on the side.  Cuz we are in a crisis.  Right?  Targeted? Both genders.  And yet....in core of the culture?  This is what's going on?  Amongst the men and women?  Tell  me.  You're kidding,  Right?  .  

Women willingly get hoed out and passed around among thugs and then look for that square, the nice guy, they ignored, made fun of after years of being abused and treated like trash and making babies. Brothas, don't feel sorry for them and save them, let them be an example to other women to not hook up with low lifes and think it's cool and fly. 

Wow!  The truth comes out.  Hal. Lay. Lu. Yer.  No wonder they're wiping us out.  We're not even human to each other.  We talk about the fake this and fake that...massa this and massa that.  And in the corner in the dark way back there where we don't even have to....we're quietly bashing each other. For what?  Massa's been dicking our minds for hundreds of years and got us to the point where  we willingly throw our own people in the wood pile and quickly strike a match-then laugh like it's a joke.  But will scream dirty murder if the po po even look our way.   Better not! Cuz Ima gon demonstrate.

I guess I'm just old school.  I grow up sharing what I know about my culture cuz it was such a damn secret back then.  People go through things-that's life.  We're not here to be perfect.  But for your own to judge.  Man!  We woman don't get  a focking break.  We work to the focking bones for our family...up in massa's face about our children...collobrating together with our significant other or not and willingly put it ALL and have on the line [falling on the blade] for our people.  And yet in the club or in the streets brothas are next to each other gazing as they continue the white patriarch goal:  break the spirit of the black woman.  So what I'm hearing is....in the black man's eyes, the black woman can't make no mistakes.  And she's not someone's daughter, sister. She's faceless.  So.  Who gon be her voice?   Is she always gonna be deemed a whore cuz she thought she was in love with black man?  And it didn't work out. What?  Is that double focking standard?    I mean...young girls DO GET PREYED on.    So lemme see.  She gon get BLAMED for somebody else's behavior? ummm sounding more and more like it's the middle east to me.

It's different when it's a white girl...right?  Even though she comes from a legacy of being a whore...it's different.  Cuz how many times does a white whore says she's in love with a newly rich black brain dead athlete/celebrity?  And it doesn't work out.  Is she thrown under the bus?  They would be a hellllllll nawl.  So.  It's okay for a white girl to simp.  Cuz it is expected that a white whore will be paid off... the moment she stepped in the room with a brotha.  And the sad thing is?  Brothas really don't see anything wrong with this double standard perception.  Most think it makes them a man's man to be with massa's whore:  the classic sex slave whore [who have brats she can't raise....as why she always needs a nanny---and was never ever woman enough to do it on her own......[take care of herself if she had to]...but!  I forget. Black men forgot about that struggle they witnessed in their childhood with their own mothers, aunts, grandma, sister, cousin.  Massa separated black families all the time but they manage to stay united as a culture because of  black love.  I don't understand this "caste" attitude we now have toward each other.  They do that shyte in India.  It's a form of slavery racism.  We're better than that.  

And what's sooooo cold?  These same brothas are gonna be talking like those incarcerated.  Could da.  Should da.  But didn't.  The total disrespect I hear from intelligent brothas is focking frightening!  I know I won't be able to hide in their backyard...if I'm running from the po po.  Damn! I dunno what to say.  

There is a stroll that has sometimes 20, 30 females working and many of them are really pretty, some are freaking gorgeous, some exotic pretty and some are really young too, 16 to 21 years old maybe. And I often wonder how did they get sucked in like that? I just don't get it. Hell, if they got a job and appeared to be decent they could find a sucka but they would rather be hookers and sticking with the pimp, boyfriend, thug or whatever. 

Cuz they don't have their fathers, brothers, uncles, grandpa, male cousins telling what to look out for from male predators.  They don't have honest black men in their community mature enough to recognize that they are children growing into adulthood and as black men?  Do the honorable thing by watching out for their welfare.  I understand that we don't have that anymore...but!  This is why.  Also why our community is deteriorating until we viciously hate each other and massa don't have to do a thing but watch and enjoy it like the Romans did with the Christians.  But unfortunately this is a similar attitude in black males toward black women in Africa.  On the surface, it shows unity but inside the culture it is chaotic.  uh oh.  Next, brothas here gonna be talking about FGM. [thank god a lot of 'em don't know what that is.]

I have seen this among some of my relatives, start out beautiful, book smart with good grades, from good homes, pretty as can be, sexy too and they know it but the big mistake they make, they want to be with a thug, a rapper, a gangsta, the slick dude with no skills or no higher education, the party\club promoter, why?  Never understood it, in every single case not one of them found a simp to save them because they have been through hell and back and too damaged even for a simp. And have children that barely knows their father or who exactly who he is or just don't know. 2 of them have gone lesbian and really I can't blame them after what they been through with dudes but it's often the case they save each other.   

I understand our culture has changed.  And we don't reach out to teach any more.  I remember I use to stay outside all day and come back home with life experiences [from the black community] that shaped my world.  The social skills and survival tools I learned.  But.  I am heartbroken about my people's journey thus far.  We won't help each other. We won't even look at each other-only hold deep criticism.   I don't understand those concepts.  I know this is about thugs, simps and hoes...but!  These are my people.  The younger generation whose parents failed them.  That the black community failed them.  Schools failed them.  Many of em raised themselves...practically.  But of course the blame will be on the women...you know those hoes?   My question.  What happened to  the elders? The black men.  Or the strong black women in the community who use to come to every body aide?  Wouldn't dare call them whores.   Right?  Maybe I'm missin' something in this thread.  Cuz.  Can't help but feel sad for my peeps..who seem to be dying from the inside out.  But!  

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Kocolicious posted:

Brotha Momentum wrote:  

You can't turn a hoe into a housewife. Actually, it does happen. Good luck anyway but he will find out the hard way that he is being played. A woman pushing up on you with a 7 month old child sees you as a simp. Caira said she likes "rebels" but we know what she was saying she really likes thugs, gangstas and slickstas. And then she said it was all about "timing" with Russell Wilson, LOL. Women are finding out once you make a life with dogs you are stained, unless you can find someone that don't know about you, that is why simps are in huge demand, it's so many hoes that want to be saved.  

  Am I hearing things?  Or is it I'm just getting tooooooooo old?  Either way it is troubling to hear brothas talk that way about sistas...on the side.  Cuz we are in a crisis.  Right?  Targeted? Both genders.  And yet....in core of the culture?  This is what's going on?  Amongst the men and women?  Tell  me.  You're kidding,  Right?  .  

Women willingly get hoed out and passed around among thugs and then look for that square, the nice guy, they ignored, made fun of after years of being abused and treated like trash and making babies. Brothas, don't feel sorry for them and save them, let them be an example to other women to not hook up with low lifes and think it's cool and fly. 

Wow!  The truth comes out.  Hal. Lay. Lu. Yer.  No wonder they're wiping us out.  We're not even human to each other.  We talk about the fake this and fake that...massa this and massa that.  And in the corner in the dark way back there where we don't even have to....we're quietly bashing each other. For what?  Massa's been dicking our minds for hundreds of years and got us to the point where  we willingly throw our own people in the wood pile and quickly strike a match-then laugh like it's a joke.  But will scream dirty murder if the po po even look our way.   Better not! Cuz Ima gon demonstrate.

I guess I'm just old school.  I grow up sharing what I know about my culture cuz it was such a damn secret back then.  People go through things-that's life.  We're not here to be perfect.  But for your own to judge.  Man!  We woman don't get  a focking break.  We work to the focking bones for our family...up in massa's face about our children...collobrating together with our significant other or not and willingly put it ALL and have on the line [falling on the blade] for our people.  And yet in the club or in the streets brothas are next to each other gazing as they continue the white patriarch goal:  break the spirit of the black woman.  So what I'm hearing is....in the black man's eyes, the black woman can't make no mistakes.  And she's not someone's daughter, sister. She's faceless.  So.  Who gon be her voice?   Is she always gonna be deemed a whore cuz she thought she was in love with black man?  And it didn't work out. What?  Is that double focking standard?    I mean...young girls DO GET PREYED on.    So lemme see.  She gon get BLAMED for somebody else's behavior? ummm sounding more and more like it's the middle east to me.

It's different when it's a white girl...right?  Even though she comes from a legacy of being a whore...it's different.  Cuz how many times does a white whore says she's in love with a newly rich black brain dead athlete/celebrity?  And it doesn't work out.  Is she thrown under the bus?  They would be a hellllllll nawl.  So.  It's okay for a white girl to simp.  Cuz it is expected that a white whore will be paid off... the moment she stepped in the room with a brotha.  And the sad thing is?  Brothas really don't see anything wrong with this double standard perception.  Most think it makes them a man's man to be with massa's whore:  the classic sex slave whore [who have brats she can't raise....as why she always needs a nanny---and was never ever woman enough to do it on her own......[take care of herself if she had to]...but!  I forget. Black men forgot about that struggle they witnessed in their childhood with their own mothers, aunts, grandma, sister, cousin.  Massa separated black families all the time but they manage to stay united as a culture because of  black love.  I don't understand this "caste" attitude we now have toward each other.  They do that shyte in India.  It's a form of slavery racism.  We're better than that.  

And what's sooooo cold?  These same brothas are gonna be talking like those incarcerated.  Could da.  Should da.  But didn't.  The total disrespect I hear from intelligent brothas is focking frightening!  I know I won't be able to hide in their backyard...if I'm running from the po po.  Damn! I dunno what to say.  

There is a stroll that has sometimes 20, 30 females working and many of them are really pretty, some are freaking gorgeous, some exotic pretty and some are really young too, 16 to 21 years old maybe. And I often wonder how did they get sucked in like that? I just don't get it. Hell, if they got a job and appeared to be decent they could find a sucka but they would rather be hookers and sticking with the pimp, boyfriend, thug or whatever. 

Cuz they don't have their fathers, brothers, uncles, grandpa, male cousins telling what to look out for from male predators.  They don't have honest black men in their community mature enough to recognize that they are children growing into adulthood and as black men?  Do the honorable thing by watching out for their welfare.  I understand that we don't have that anymore...but!  This is why.  Also why our community is deteriorating until we viciously hate each other and massa don't have to do a thing but watch and enjoy it like the Romans did with the Christians.  But unfortunately this is a similar attitude in black males toward black women in Africa.  On the surface, it shows unity but inside the culture it is chaotic.  uh oh.  Next, brothas here gonna be talking about FGM. [thank god a lot of 'em don't know what that is.]

I have seen this among some of my relatives, start out beautiful, book smart with good grades, from good homes, pretty as can be, sexy too and they know it but the big mistake they make, they want to be with a thug, a rapper, a gangsta, the slick dude with no skills or no higher education, the party\club promoter, why?  Never understood it, in every single case not one of them found a simp to save them because they have been through hell and back and too damaged even for a simp. And have children that barely knows their father or who exactly who he is or just don't know. 2 of them have gone lesbian and really I can't blame them after what they been through with dudes but it's often the case they save each other.   

I understand our culture has changed.  And we don't reach out to teach any more.  I remember I use to stay outside all day and come back home with life experiences [from the black community] that shaped my world.  The social skills and survival tools I learned.  But.  I am heartbroken about my people's journey thus far.  We won't help each other. We won't even look at each other-only hold deep criticism.   I don't understand those concepts.  I know this is about thugs, simps and hoes...but!  These are my people.  The younger generation whose parents failed them.  That the black community failed them.  Schools failed them.  Many of em raised themselves...practically.  But of course the blame will be on the women...you know those hoes?   My question.  What happened to  the elders? The black men.  Or the strong black women in the community who use to come to every body aide?  Wouldn't dare call them whores.   Right?  Maybe I'm missin' something in this thread.  Cuz.  Can't help but feel sad for my peeps..who seem to be dying from the inside out.  But!  

Any woman that lowers her standards so low and tries to make a life with a thug who has 5 babies with 5 different women and then she becomes #6 is not marriage material. And any man who think that such a woman is marriage material is either a simp or a fool. I do wish them well, at least she is Black. 

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I wouldn't marry a woman that hopped on the cock carosel of the hood...but a long term relationship...yeah

And I would just let her know that she is leftovers that ran thru by everyone...

The thing I care about is the honesty and value in the equation.

If I am wildly successful and you someone's baby momma to a man that got like 6 of them - I am better than you, by default. I am doing you a favor...by default. 

I will remind you about your bastard baby if you come at me sideways. I will remind you were I found you...whether it was the strip club, the recording studio, a party...OkCupid.

The problem with men, men wanna save these women because it validates the good side of masculinity.

The whole protector lover bullshit. 

 

I ain't about that life, but if you a cool girl as many hoes, sluts and etc tend to be, we can chill...but I ain't marry you and I ain't saving you. 

Young Brotha Goodman wrote:  

I wouldn't marry a woman that hopped on the cock carosel of the hood...but a long term relationship...yeah

And I would just let her know that she is leftovers that ran thru by everyone...

The thing I care about is the honesty and value in the equation.

If I am wildly successful and you someone's baby momma to a man that got like 6 of them - I am better than you, by default. I am doing you a favor...by default. 

I will remind you about your bastard baby if you come at me sideways. I will remind you were I found you...whether it was the strip club, the recording studio, a party...OkCupid.

The problem with men, men wanna save these women because it validates the good side of masculinity.

The whole protector lover bullshit. 

 

I ain't about that life, but if you a cool girl as many hoes, sluts and etc tend to be, we can chill...but I ain't marry you and I ain't saving you. 

Wow!  Let's get it allllllllllll on the table, shall we?  That's the ONLY way we gon fix this.  But!

Brotha Momentum wrote:  Actually, I'm throwing shade twice on dudes and once on the female, the thug, the hoe and the simp. See 2 of three are dudes.

 

 oh.  okay,  [even though these are still children (deemed the thug, hoe and the simp.)..they are] not fully grown yet. And will (potentially) do stupid shyte along their life's path. ] Got it!  But! You said something very interesting.  Tell me my brotha.  What is your interpretation of marriage "material?."  Just curious.  But!  

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GoodMan posted:

I wouldn't marry a woman that hopped on the cock carosel of the hood...but a long term relationship...yeah

And I would just let her know that she is leftovers that ran thru by everyone...

The thing I care about is the honesty and value in the equation.

If I am wildly successful and you someone's baby momma to a man that got like 6 of them - I am better than you, by default. I am doing you a favor...by default. 

I will remind you about your bastard baby if you come at me sideways. I will remind you were I found you...whether it was the strip club, the recording studio, a party...OkCupid.

The problem with men, men wanna save these women because it validates the good side of masculinity.

The whole protector lover bullshit. 

 

I ain't about that life, but if you a cool girl as many hoes, sluts and etc tend to be, we can chill...but I ain't marry you and I ain't saving you. 

It's you prerogative to date and marry whomever you want, just like it's a woman's prerogative to date and marry whomever she wants, and just because a woman has dated someone other than you, does not mean she's "hopped on the cock carousel of the hood"; besides, since NO ONE is "better than" ANYONE else on this planet, the your "cock" is no better than the "cocks" 'in the hood'.

And while you are "letting her know that she is leftovers that's been run through by everybody", maybe she will be letting you know that you are "leftovers" that's been run through by everybody, too.  Besides, if you think of a woman like that, you have no business dating or marrying her.

All of this hate and contempt for women and for women actually having a sexuality is born out of patriarchal sexism and oppression against women disguised as "religion" and "culture".

If men would take the time to read far back enough in history, or research where these sexist perceptions really originated, they would find that they were thought up by groups of men who lived alone with each other without benefit of any kind of a relationship with a woman, and at a time when 99.9% of the entire human race was totally illiterate, and totally ignorant of human anatomy and physiology.

Sexism uses the same model as Racism and was devised for the same purpose, to mislead, misinform, oppress, enslave, and hide particular TRUTHS; truths like the fact that men and women are equals, and always have been, and that "religions" are covers for homosexuality between men and for the pedophilia that men engage in.   [i.e.]  In order to have men to engage in homosexual activity with in the first place, you have to first turn men against women; to be able to sexually abuse children, you have to first oppress women and strip them of power.  

So, there are a lot of men running around holding all this contempt for women, or trying to compartmentalize women's sexuality into "grades" of worth, like sides of beef, or animals on an auction block, or like Slaves on an auction block, without ever even contemplating the homosexual and/or asexual origins of it all, not to mention the illiterate and ignorant masses it was initially intended to deceive.  

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Kocolicious posted:

Brotha Momentum wrote:  Actually, I'm throwing shade twice on dudes and once on the female, the thug, the hoe and the simp. See 2 of three are dudes.

 

 oh.  okay,  [even though these are still children (deemed the thug, hoe and the simp.)..they are] not fully grown yet. And will (potentially) do stupid shyte along their life's path. ] Got it!  But! You said something very interesting.  Tell me my brotha.  What is your interpretation of marriage "material?."  Just curious.  But!  

Well, obviously your standard is pretty damn low. A thug with 6 kids sprawled all over the gaddam place with 6 different mommas is marriage material. A woman that thinks that making a life with someone like that is also good marriage material. I'm not going to tell you what is good marriage material , you already know as I pointed out above, thugs making babies and women that think that is great is your standard, you got it all figured out. Hell ya, grown people make mistakes all the time, we all do. 

From this point onward I will be smh when you complain about gang members, thugs, shooting and robbing and making babies all over the place. According to you, thugs are marriage material. If you truly believe that, then you don't need my definition. 

sunnubian posted:
GoodMan posted:

I wouldn't marry a woman that hopped on the cock carosel of the hood...but a long term relationship...yeah

And I would just let her know that she is leftovers that ran thru by everyone...

The thing I care about is the honesty and value in the equation.

If I am wildly successful and you someone's baby momma to a man that got like 6 of them - I am better than you, by default. I am doing you a favor...by default. 

I will remind you about your bastard baby if you come at me sideways. I will remind you were I found you...whether it was the strip club, the recording studio, a party...OkCupid.

The problem with men, men wanna save these women because it validates the good side of masculinity.

The whole protector lover bullshit. 

 

I ain't about that life, but if you a cool girl as many hoes, sluts and etc tend to be, we can chill...but I ain't marry you and I ain't saving you. 

It's you prerogative to date and marry whomever you want, just like it's a woman's prerogative whomever she wants, and just because a woman has dated someone other than you, does not mean she's "hopped on the cock carousel of the hood"; besides, since NO ONE is "better than" ANYONE else on this planet, the your "cock" is no better than the "cocks" 'in the hood'.

Sure some people are better than others, depends on what we are talking about. If your son and assuming he is a great catch, asked you to help him decide between 2 good looking women, one well educated, goal oriented, hard working, balanced, well behaved woman that loves the ground your son's shadow falls on. The other a GED girl, with a thug's baby and got a criminal record with a tattoo of a bunny on her neck  and is really sincere and loves him too and he kinda likes "rebels" who is the better choice for him to make a life with?

And while you are "letting her know that she is leftovers that's been run through by everybody", maybe she will be letting you know that you are "leftovers" that's been run through by everybody, too.  Besides, if you think of a woman like that, you have no business dating or marrying her.

Agree.

All of this hate and contempt for women and for women actually having a sexuality is born out of patriarchal sexism and oppression against women disguised as "religion" and "culture".

Yes

If men would take the time to read far back enough in history, or research where these sexist perceptions really originated, they would find that they were thought up by groups of men who lived alone with each other without benefit of any kind of a relationship with a woman, and at a time when 99.9% of the entire human race was totally illiterate, and totally ignorant of human anatomy and physiology.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Sexism uses the same model as Racism and was devised for the same purpose, to mislead, misinform, oppress, enslave, and hide particular TRUTHS; truths like the fact that men and women are equals, and always have been, and that "religions" are covers for homosexuality between men and for the pedophilia that men engage in.   [i.e.]  In order to have men to engage in homosexual activity with in the first place, you have to first turn men against women; to be able to sexually abuse children, you have to first oppress women and strip them of power.  

I agree, men and women should be equals with the same rights, privileges and opportunities, but that is not the issue. Do you agree that men and women have gender roles and their roles in society are different? If not this is a futile conversation. All things aren't always equal. This is the real world, not some hypothetical vacuum, raising kids takes time, money and discipline. Making a home requires the same.

So, there are a lot of men running around holding all this contempt for women, or trying to compartmentalize women's sexuality into "grades" of worth, like sides of beef, or animals on an auction block, or like Slaves on an auction block, without ever even contemplating the homosexual and/or asexual origins of it all, not to mention the illiterate and ignorant masses it was initially intended to deceive.  

That makes sense. 

 

Brotha Momentum wrote:  Well, obviously your standard is pretty damn low.

Excuse me?  Did you just insult me?  Just cuz I ASKED you a question? BTW how do YOU know the levity of my  standards? I haven't said what they are... obviously.   Oh so you can read minds?  Got it!

A thug with 6 kids sprawled all over the gaddam place with 6 different mommas is marriage material.

I guess El Debarge is a thug too cuz he got 12 or 13 kids.   Have a lot of baby mamas [some he married/some he didn't...he have 'em ] all over the place along with many other endless rappers today.   Same thing happened to Lauren Hill. Dude had many kids before and after their "marriage." So the behavior been going on a long time-not just since Ciara did it publicly. 

A woman that thinks that making a life with someone like that is also good marriage material. I'm not going to tell you what is good marriage material , you already know as I pointed out above, thugs making babies and women that think that is great is your standard, you got it all figured out. Hell ya, grown people make mistakes all the time, we all do. 

Again...that wasn't the question I asked.  I sense resentment.  Why? Just a question.

 From this point onward I will be smh when you complain about gang members, thugs, shooting and robbing and making babies all over the place. According to you, thugs are marriage material. If you truly believe that, then you don't need my definition. 

Quite frankly my brotha I don't give a damn whatcha do onwards.  That's on you.  My commentaries are  just that.  Mine.  This is my BRAIN's perception..and trust me I'm not trying to CONVINCE you [or ANYONE] of anything.  Not. one. single.  thing.  Never have.  Never will.  Sorry.  It's just NOT my goal in life.  But we can solve this now.  Don't read.  Don't respond.  Easy.   Cool?  Just so YOU know.  I write for me.  As far as my complaints/concerns/observations about gangs/thugs/etc  activity in my community?  Float on my brotha.  I never needed an audience to express how I feel about ANY issue affecting me...so!   You.  Do you.  

And that  gang/thug/drug stuff you mentioned?  A whole different issue altogether...and I kinda feel it's a a low blow to be MEAN [on the side] outta straight desperation since it's always been known my son died as a result of gang violence.  Ouch!  You just wanna distract my question to you by hitting low low low low...about another topic/issue entirety.   Got it!  No worries my brotha.  It's a done deal. BTW:  For clarity:  I didn't ask you what was good marriage material.  I asked you what is your interpretation of marriage material.  And .I never SAID one thing about which way I felt about the issue.  No where in my comments to YOU did I ever say one way or the other of how I felt.   You wanna PUT WORDS in my mouth...and I don't need you for that.  I do that well ALL by myself!  Don't have a problem saying ANYTHING.   But! I hear ya LOUD and clear.  And no...I don't have it ALL figured out...wish I did.  I learn every... day.  Just like I've just learned from you.  But!

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Kocolicious posted:

Brotha Momentum wrote:  Well, obviously your standard is pretty damn low.

Excuse me?  Did you just insult me?  Just cuz I ASKED you a question? BTW how do YOU know the levity of my  standards? I haven't said what they are... obviously.   Oh so you can read minds?  Got it!

A thug with 6 kids sprawled all over the gaddam place with 6 different mommas is marriage material.

I guess El Debarge is a thug too cuz he got 12 or 13 kids.   Have a lot of baby mamas [some he married/some he didn't...he have 'em ] all over the place along with many other endless rappers today.   Same thing happened to Lauren Hill. Dude had many kids before and after their "marriage." So the behavior been going on a long time-not just since Ciara did it publicly. 

A woman that thinks that making a life with someone like that is also good marriage material. I'm not going to tell you what is good marriage material , you already know as I pointed out above, thugs making babies and women that think that is great is your standard, you got it all figured out. Hell ya, grown people make mistakes all the time, we all do. 

Again...that wasn't the question I asked.  I sense resentment.  Why? Just a question.

 From this point onward I will be smh when you complain about gang members, thugs, shooting and robbing and making babies all over the place. According to you, thugs are marriage material. If you truly believe that, then you don't need my definition. 

Quite frankly my brotha I don't give a damn whatcha do onwards.  That's on you.  My commentaries are  just that.  Mine.  This is my BRAIN's perception..and trust me I'm not trying to CONVINCE you [or ANYONE] of anything.  Not. one. single.  thing.  Never have.  Never will.  Sorry.  It's just NOT my goal in life.  But we can solve this now.  Don't read.  Don't respond.  Easy.   Cool?  Just so YOU know.  I write for me.  As far as my complaints/concerns/observations about gangs/thugs/etc  activity in my community?  Float on my brotha.  I never needed an audience to express how I feel about ANY issue affecting me...so!   You.  Do you.  

And that  gang/thug/drug stuff you mentioned?  A whole different issue altogether...and I kinda feel it's a a low blow to be MEAN [on the side] outta straight desperation since it's always been known my son died as a result of gang violence.  Ouch!  You just wanna distract my question to you by hitting low low low low...about another topic/issue entirety.   Got it!  No worries my brotha.  It's a done deal. BTW:  For clarity:  I didn't ask you what was good marriage material.  I asked you what is your interpretation of marriage material.  And .I never SAID one thing about which way I felt about the issue.  No where in my comments to YOU did I ever say one way or the other of how I felt.   You wanna PUT WORDS in my mouth...and I don't need you for that.  I do that well ALL by myself!  Don't have a problem saying ANYTHING.   But! I hear ya LOUD and clear.  And no...I don't have it ALL figured out...wish I did.  I learn every... day.  Just like I've just learned from you.  But!

Most countries do not have the level of promiscuity the US has. Double figure numbers of sexual partners is not the norm. We see the damage due to our history in this country. STD's affect a lot of Black men and women and almost 70% of our children are born to single parent moms. Perhaps the sexual behaviors we think are normal are actually perverted.

I'm not trying to be hard on Ciara, she is marrying up, she hit the jackpot, great for her. I think she is pretty and really kinda nice too, but that is not my point but we have some entrenched problems rooted from slavery to present in the Black community. Ciara's case makes a good topic for discussion regarding the problems in the community that we tend to avoid.

I think people tend to normalize what we are used to seeing, to normalize unhealthy behaviors instead of recognizing the problems.

Brotha Mometum wrote:  

Most countries do not have the level of promiscuity the US has. Double figure numbers of sexual partners is not the norm. We see the damage due to our history in this country. STD's affect a lot of Black men and women and almost 70% of our children are born to single parent moms. Perhaps the sexual behaviors we think are normal are actually perverted.

I'm not trying to be hard on Ciara, she is marrying up, she hit the jackpot, great for her. I think she is pretty and really kinda nice too, but that is not my point but we have some entrenched problems rooted from slavery to present in the Black community. Ciara's case makes a good topic for discussion regarding the problems in the community that we tend to avoid.

I think people tend to normalize what we are used to seeing, to normalize unhealthy behaviors instead of recognizing the problems.

 

  No fair!  I'm not through fighting...okay fine.  Great point!  I have a problem with phase "marrying up oppose to marrying down."  As why I needed clarification.  But you still didn't answered the question my brotha.  I hope you know I have a itty bitty temper when I'm passionate about an issue.  Gotta have thick skin to tget to he point.   But it's nothing personal.  Never.  Yea...I know I said float on and stuff.  But I was in the midst of a juicy debate.  Really didn't mean that part.  Just fire.  Damn!  So.   Group hug!      [Just so you know my brotha, we're not family unless we fight.  It's been "we are the world" too long around here.  Somebody had to light the fire...right?]  I'm all about the debate.  But!

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Kocolicious posted:

Brotha Mometum wrote:  

Most countries do not have the level of promiscuity the US has. Double figure numbers of sexual partners is not the norm. We see the damage due to our history in this country. STD's affect a lot of Black men and women and almost 70% of our children are born to single parent moms. Perhaps the sexual behaviors we think are normal are actually perverted.

I'm not trying to be hard on Ciara, she is marrying up, she hit the jackpot, great for her. I think she is pretty and really kinda nice too, but that is not my point but we have some entrenched problems rooted from slavery to present in the Black community. Ciara's case makes a good topic for discussion regarding the problems in the community that we tend to avoid.

I think people tend to normalize what we are used to seeing, to normalize unhealthy behaviors instead of recognizing the problems.

 

  No fair!  I'm not through fighting...okay fine.  Great point!  I have a problem with phase "marrying up oppose to marrying down."  As why I needed clarification.  But you still didn't answered the question my brotha.  I hope you know I have a itty bitty temper when I'm passionate about an issue.  Gotta have thick skin to tget to he point.   But it's nothing personal.  Never.  Yea...I know I said float on and stuff.  But I was in the midst of a juicy debate.  Really didn't mean that part.  Just fire.  Damn!  So.   Group hug!      [Just so you know my brotha, we're not family unless we fight.  It's been "we are the world" too long around here.  Somebody had to light the fire...right?]  I'm all about the debate.  But!

You should know by now anything I say to you is with respect which is why I did not address your question. LOL Yeah, I can duck and dodge with the best of them. 

more mess between Future and Ciara...

 

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/201...rsuit-against-ciara/

Future Files Countersuit Against Ciara, Says Her Career Is Over

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Future is firing back at his former fiancee Ciara with a lawsuit of his own.

In February, Ciara filed a $15 million defamation lawsuit against Future, claiming that comments he made regarding the child they have together falsely depicted her as a bad parent. “I gotta go through lawyers to see babyfuture…the fuckery for 15k a month,” he wrote on Twitter. Now Future has filed a countersuit, seeking repayment for legal fees incurred and claiming that his comments couldn’t have hurt Ciara’s career since it was already effectively over at the time, according to The Jasmine Brand.

The “Low Life” rapper claims that while the singer’s fan base is “reasonably large,” he refers to her last album as a “flop” and says she hasn’t won many awards since 2013.

Ciara sued Future over a series of rants — on Twitter and in his music — in which he commented negatively about her and their child custody battle. She also claims he was just trying to hype up his music career.

For his countersuit, filed this month, Future essentially wants the court to force Ciara to stop bad-mouthing him and for her to cover the legal fees he’s incurred while fighting her lawsuit thus far.

The DS2 creator opened up to XXL for his Fall 2015 cover story interview, giving details on how he was dealing with Ciara and her new fiance, football player Russell Wilson.

“I feel like a lot of moves are just made out of just being evil, basically,” explained Future. “Because, you know, the success of my album and you still want to make certain moves to take the spotlight off me a little bit and shed light on a negative situation. Why would you want to put light on a negative situation? Even if I didn’t care about it, the people have a way of looking at it.”

As Future rand Ciara’s court battle enters a new stage, it seems the drama is far from over.



Read More: Future Files Countersuit Against Ciara, Says Her Career Is Over - XXL | http://www.xxlmag.com/news/201...a/?trackback=tsmclip

 

 

 

 

 

 

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**For Russell Wilson, all this could have been avoided if he just dated up..

Radio Raheem said:

**For Russell Wilson, all this could have been avoided if he just dated up..

I predict Russell Wilson will have a miserable football season because he's hooked up with a woman whose first choice to have a baby with is a low life that have 5 babies by 5 different mommas and she became #6, drama and more drama he invited in his life. If his dad was around he would tell him to not marry her at least or kick her ass to the curb while he still has a chance.

He is going to learn a hard lesson and it's too bad because simps are basically decent guys that have their hearts in the wrong place. Pick a woman that got her moral compass ALREADY pointed in the right direction. 

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It's Russell Wilson's pecker and he can do with it what he wants and poke who he wants. It's happened to us all. When the shit gets really shitty, the shitted on will pack his/her bags and they're lives will go on. It's their business. Enjoy whatever while you can Russell; you're a good looking couple. Life's shorter than a (you know) and these days you could end up like Will Smith. Here today, gone in an hour and one half with a ton of lead in your back.

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Norland posted:

It's Russell Wilson's pecker and he can do with it what he wants and poke who he wants. It's happened to us all. When the shit gets really shitty, the shitted on will pack his/her bags and they're lives will go on. It's their business. Enjoy whatever while you can Russell; you're a good looking couple. Life's shorter than a (you know) and these days you could end up like Will Smith. Here today, gone in an hour and one half with a ton of lead in your back.

One thing about you women, yall stick together, nice ones, stanky and skanky yall in it together. 

  I see yall trying to get this started up again...ain't taking the bait!  Sorry!  Cuz I could say so many things but this is my birthday month.....listenin to all the good old musical greats from back in the day...all month long...sipping Mimosa in between home cooked meals.....and dancing dancing....so this?  Ain't doing it.  Been partying since April 1st.    But!

Yep, we're all in it together, because we ALL carry the same ammunition that drives men that like it out of their ever loving minds; sometimes to the great; sometimes to the death; mostly of us, carrying that ammunition. "Nice ones, stanky and skanky" don't mean nothing when the thought of fornication comes into play.

Females of every species living go through this mess. I watched a female gorilla catch hell this morning from her 500 pounder, pounding. When he was through he sent her flying as he rolled over on his back doing what men do (trying to catch his fuckin' breath) (No pun intended). Nothing's different.

Marriage just legalizes the situation; sometimes for a lifetime, sometimes for 72 hours; babies pop out most times, regardless, (those that don't get aborted) and the shit hits the fan for a lifetime. Then your ass gets older than dirt, and you hope one of your production's there to put your ass on the toilet, wipe your ass, change your stinking diaper, or give you a drink of water before you bid adieu.

Times your birthday years by 365 and see that you ain't been on the planet but a minute and one half on a good day. No one's special; we're all playing the game of life given to us by our parents; some of us doing a good job; some should have long ago been gone consumed by their madness, hatred, thinking they're "all that", creating MAJOR HAVOC on other parents kids; which are all of us.

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Kocolicious posted:

  I see yall trying to get this started up again...ain't taking the bait!  Sorry!  Cuz I could say so many things but this is my birthday month.....listenin to all the good old musical greats from back in the day...all month long...sipping Mimosa in between home cooked meals.....and dancing dancing....so this?  Ain't doing it.  Been partying since April 1st.    But!

So you hit the big 30 aye?  Happy Birthday!

sunnubian posted:
GoodMan posted:

I wouldn't marry a woman that hopped on the cock carosel of the hood...but a long term relationship...yeah

And I would just let her know that she is leftovers that ran thru by everyone...

The thing I care about is the honesty and value in the equation.

If I am wildly successful and you someone's baby momma to a man that got like 6 of them - I am better than you, by default. I am doing you a favor...by default. 

I will remind you about your bastard baby if you come at me sideways. I will remind you were I found you...whether it was the strip club, the recording studio, a party...OkCupid.

The problem with men, men wanna save these women because it validates the good side of masculinity.

The whole protector lover bullshit. 

 

I ain't about that life, but if you a cool girl as many hoes, sluts and etc tend to be, we can chill...but I ain't marry you and I ain't saving you. 

It's you prerogative to date and marry whomever you want, just like it's a woman's prerogative to date and marry whomever she wants, and just because a woman has dated someone other than you, does not mean she's "hopped on the cock carousel of the hood"; besides, since NO ONE is "better than" ANYONE else on this planet, the your "cock" is no better than the "cocks" 'in the hood'.

And while you are "letting her know that she is leftovers that's been run through by everybody", maybe she will be letting you know that you are "leftovers" that's been run through by everybody, too.  Besides, if you think of a woman like that, you have no business dating or marrying her.

All of this hate and contempt for women and for women actually having a sexuality is born out of patriarchal sexism and oppression against women disguised as "religion" and "culture".

If men would take the time to read far back enough in history, or research where these sexist perceptions really originated, they would find that they were thought up by groups of men who lived alone with each other without benefit of any kind of a relationship with a woman, and at a time when 99.9% of the entire human race was totally illiterate, and totally ignorant of human anatomy and physiology.

Sexism uses the same model as Racism and was devised for the same purpose, to mislead, misinform, oppress, enslave, and hide particular TRUTHS; truths like the fact that men and women are equals, and always have been, and that "religions" are covers for homosexuality between men and for the pedophilia that men engage in.   [i.e.]  In order to have men to engage in homosexual activity with in the first place, you have to first turn men against women; to be able to sexually abuse children, you have to first oppress women and strip them of power.  

So, there are a lot of men running around holding all this contempt for women, or trying to compartmentalize women's sexuality into "grades" of worth, like sides of beef, or animals on an auction block, or like Slaves on an auction block, without ever even contemplating the homosexual and/or asexual origins of it all, not to mention the illiterate and ignorant masses it was initially intended to deceive.  

In the event, I was a wildly successful and got money and some highly promiscious woman with her thug baby daddy and I got along and she don't got what I got...

 

In this situation, I am more valuable than her. What can she offer me in that situation?

It's no different situation than some Playstation king ass nigga ending up with some professional woman.

Why do women feel like they have some intrinsic value?

Cause we know damn well, women will be FIRST to remind a man of his worth.

"You don't pay may bills!"

"You ain't my daddy!"

But when men do it, it's sexism. It's not sexism, it's saying, a woman's vagina, her baby that ain't mine and company ain't worth my success. A man's success becomes a woman's bragging rights. And on top of that, it's often become's legally hers. So all the shit a man does before he meets a woman, she inherits. 

 

A man's promiscuity is the result of the fact that he competes against other males for mates and he doesn't carry babies. So he is actively pursuing women constantly with very little risk to his body.

A man's promiscuity is often ignored because of his material success (and men without the success are looked down upon just like any woman). Women more often than not, marry up, even rich women, like Ciara, Janet Jackson, and Mariah Carey.  While a man will most likely always marry down. Women are still giving Lil Wayne babies because of his money and he got 3  famous baby mommas and 2 of them have kids with some other rich nigga. 

A man isn't going like "Oh you got money?" A man is going, "Oh, your sex and company is wonderful..."

While a woman is going, "Oh your sex, company and MONEY is wonderful"

Now this is often a fair trade for many men...but if a woman screwed the entire area she comes from and got a baby with her and baby daddy baggage...the man looks dumb and makes men look dumb and reinforces the whole Savior-Lover archetype and a woman's body and company is enough to win the wallet of a man.

Women are taught to sell themselves to the highest bidder and men are taught to love any woman that is nice to you and lets you between her legs. It's economically lopsided. 

Men should be more like women and have higher values than she looks good, sex good and cooks good and she likes me. 

 

GoodMan posted:
sunnubian posted:
GoodMan posted:

I wouldn't marry a woman that hopped on the cock carosel of the hood...but a long term relationship...yeah

And I would just let her know that she is leftovers that ran thru by everyone...

The thing I care about is the honesty and value in the equation.

If I am wildly successful and you someone's baby momma to a man that got like 6 of them - I am better than you, by default. I am doing you a favor...by default. 

I will remind you about your bastard baby if you come at me sideways. I will remind you were I found you...whether it was the strip club, the recording studio, a party...OkCupid.

The problem with men, men wanna save these women because it validates the good side of masculinity.

The whole protector lover bullshit. 

 

I ain't about that life, but if you a cool girl as many hoes, sluts and etc tend to be, we can chill...but I ain't marry you and I ain't saving you. 

It's you prerogative to date and marry whomever you want, just like it's a woman's prerogative to date and marry whomever she wants, and just because a woman has dated someone other than you, does not mean she's "hopped on the cock carousel of the hood"; besides, since NO ONE is "better than" ANYONE else on this planet, the your "cock" is no better than the "cocks" 'in the hood'.

And while you are "letting her know that she is leftovers that's been run through by everybody", maybe she will be letting you know that you are "leftovers" that's been run through by everybody, too.  Besides, if you think of a woman like that, you have no business dating or marrying her.

All of this hate and contempt for women and for women actually having a sexuality is born out of patriarchal sexism and oppression against women disguised as "religion" and "culture".

If men would take the time to read far back enough in history, or research where these sexist perceptions really originated, they would find that they were thought up by groups of men who lived alone with each other without benefit of any kind of a relationship with a woman, and at a time when 99.9% of the entire human race was totally illiterate, and totally ignorant of human anatomy and physiology.

Sexism uses the same model as Racism and was devised for the same purpose, to mislead, misinform, oppress, enslave, and hide particular TRUTHS; truths like the fact that men and women are equals, and always have been, and that "religions" are covers for homosexuality between men and for the pedophilia that men engage in.   [i.e.]  In order to have men to engage in homosexual activity with in the first place, you have to first turn men against women; to be able to sexually abuse children, you have to first oppress women and strip them of power.  

So, there are a lot of men running around holding all this contempt for women, or trying to compartmentalize women's sexuality into "grades" of worth, like sides of beef, or animals on an auction block, or like Slaves on an auction block, without ever even contemplating the homosexual and/or asexual origins of it all, not to mention the illiterate and ignorant masses it was initially intended to deceive.  

In the event, I was a wildly successful and got money and some highly promiscious woman with her thug baby daddy and I got along and she don't got what I got...

 

In this situation, I am more valuable than her. What can she offer me in that situation?

It's no different situation than some Playstation king ass nigga ending up with some professional woman.

Why do women feel like they have some intrinsic value?

Cause we know damn well, women will be FIRST to remind a man of his worth.

"You don't pay may bills!"

"You ain't my daddy!"

But when men do it, it's sexism. It's not sexism, it's saying, a woman's vagina, her baby that ain't mine and company ain't worth my success. A man's success becomes a woman's bragging rights. And on top of that, it's often become's legally hers. So all the shit a man does before he meets a woman, she inherits. 

 

A man's promiscuity is the result of the fact that he competes against other males for mates and he doesn't carry babies. So he is actively pursuing women constantly with very little risk to his body.

A man's promiscuity is often ignored because of his material success (and men without the success are looked down upon just like any woman). Women more often than not, marry up, even rich women, like Ciara, Janet Jackson, and Mariah Carey.  While a man will most likely always marry down. Women are still giving Lil Wayne babies because of his money and he got 3  famous baby mommas and 2 of them have kids with some other rich nigga. 

A man isn't going like "Oh you got money?" A man is going, "Oh, your sex and company is wonderful..."

While a woman is going, "Oh your sex, company and MONEY is wonderful"

Now this is often a fair trade for many men...but if a woman screwed the entire area she comes from and got a baby with her and baby daddy baggage...the man looks dumb and makes men look dumb and reinforces the whole Savior-Lover archetype and a woman's body and company is enough to win the wallet of a man.

Women are taught to sell themselves to the highest bidder and men are taught to love any woman that is nice to you and lets you between her legs. It's economically lopsided. 

Men should be more like women and have higher values than she looks good, sex good and cooks good and she likes me. 

 

First and foremost, there never should have been a price or monetary amount placed on human value in the first place, because the value of a human being really lies in their character, humanity and integrity, qualities that cannot be judged by a dollar-amount.

However, considering that the human race has been placed up to its neck in sadistic woman-hating European patriarchal ideologies, if you insist on putting a dollar-value on another human being as far as a relationship is concerned, then, relying on that method, people generally date and marry people of their own class and/or background, anyway.

But, being too rigid where personal relationships are concerned, takes the humanity, and natural passion and instinct out of the equation, leaving only a hollow, empty shell of an image of love and passion, based purely on a financial bargain, you know like, when a man pays for a prostitute [or a woman pays for a gigolo].  

But, hey, to each his (or her) own . . .

 

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  Okay.  What the FOCK does appearing to being a nice light skinned Christian man have to do with a dark skinned baby DADDY?  There are MANY dark skinned baby daddies....my dad happens to be ONE OF THEM.  No.  He wasn't christian but again what the fock does how you LOOK in connection to what you believe have a damn thing to with LOVE?  Cuz Black love?  Comes in all shades of black.  I am offended for Ciara.  Everybody's up in her coochie like they belong there!  Not.  Stand in your focking lane or you might hit somethin.  See?  This is what kills me every time.  Black people being RACIST against each other.  Saying focking ignorant ass shyte like massa.  We. Are. BETTER than that.  So the next time this  person who wrote this insulting statement get STOPPED by the po po...and asked to get outta the car with hands up...and is belittled and disrespected...DONT LOOK FOR DARK SKINNED BLACKS TO PROTEST..look for those light skinned folks to come to your rescue.  And while you're looking?  Don't be SURPRISED if no one SHOWS up.  Geez.  I hate ignorant blacks as much as massa.  And that statement up there?  Is why.  But!  

Future had 6 babies Ciara is the mother of one. She's gonna marry Russell. Her baby will have a step father. Why is this everyone's concern? It's no body's business but their own. This shit goes on all the time. She's going to get married. Congratulations Russell and Ciara. May God bless you and your son with many years together. Case closed.

What the hell is a "Simp?"

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Norland posted:

Future had 6 babies Ciara is the mother of one. She's gonna marry Russell. Her baby will have a step father. Why is this everyone's concern? It's no body's business but their own. This shit goes on all the time. She's going to get married. Congratulations Russell and Ciara. May God bless you and your son with many years together. Case closed.

What the hell is a "Simp?"

 

Simp is the opposite of 'pimp'

 

A pimp is a man that runs women, a simp is a man that is run BY women....basically a sucker

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