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Why should Black people care (not directly addressed in the debate)

 

The present administration is much more likeable than the Bush administration, however its focus as been to assist on the crackdown on actual political dissent on an institutional level.  What Dissident pointed out in another thread is correct, the powers are being seeded to the Executive body and not to Obama by name.  There are conservatives who do not like the idea of "Government power unchecked" but there are also those (much more neo con) who are positioning themselves for what they intend to do with this power when their in office.

 

.....Of course, from a marketing and poly sci point of few they (repubs) could really out do themselves and decide that maybe another Black president should be elected.  Politically it would make sense given the type of defense he would get....compared to the resistance they get.

 

 

Least we forget about CointelPro.........

 

 

 

 

For additional consideration the discussion with the mathematician.

 

 

 

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"Everything is legal if the government can see you"-  KRS-ONE

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"There are conservatives who do not like the idea of "Government power unchecked" but there are also those (much more neo con) who are positioning themselves for what they intend to do with this power when their in office."

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Conservatives' claims of not like the "idea of Government power unchecked" are only fake mantras for the purpose of appeasing  the masses, when Government power unchecked  is exactly what they want, because what they really want, and are trying to achieve, is a country where the power of the people is crippled, nullified, void and non-existent.  Conservatives' cries of not believing in "big government", for example, are no more than a front conceive and pacify the American people while they implement Big Government, and a system of Big Government that has effectively neutered the power of the American people.

Most people do not like what Snowden revealed. Brother Obama’s now kinda Big Brother Obama. Even some neo-con-men  said Obama had gone beyond the “Patriot” Act!  There’s partial truth  in Jesse Jackon’s words, “We might not have come over in the same boat, but we're in the same boat now”. Americans don’t get that they’re ultimately  no different respect-wise than a poor child slave labor factory worker in Malaysia. The surveillance state is part of that. So is health-destroying GMO sub-human experimental farm animal food which Obama promised to end. Further leveling down all  folks in the sheeple home of the brave means even less opportunities for the underclass. We better be thinking about it. 

 

Originally Posted by NSpirit:

I am somewhat puzzled at af-ams who blast Edward Snowdon and Bradley Manning as spoiled attention seeking w.hire boys who are traitors. Maybe I don't know enough about them but a lot of dirt done by govt has come to light due to their actions.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:

How many Black women pay attention to this?

 

http://www.godlikeproductions....1/message1567936/pg1

 

Xum


How many Pentagon employees have been allowed to speak on this subject in the first place? 

But why do any need to.

 

If an airliner vaporizes then what happens to the aluminum vapor.  It will condense on any "cold" material around, like stone or brick.  In this case "cold" would be anything below 200 degrees.

 

It is just like water in a hot shower.  The water vapor condenses on the walls and mirrors in the bathroom.  So if a plane "vaporized" at the Pentagon there would have been a film of aluminum on the surfaces of most nearby hard objects of any size.  I have never heard any mention of that.

 

The annoying thing about stupid lies is that they are so STUPID!

 

Xum

Brotha Xum wrote:  

 

How many Black women pay attention to this?

 

http://www.godlikeproductions....1/message1567936/pg1

 

Xum

 

  So lemme get this straight.  Are they saying that 911 was a fake? And that the building showing the planes with one displaying the eyes of the terrorist staring directly at the tower as he hit it....was a FAKE? All the while the other plane was yet behind him getting reading to hit the other tower was a FAKE? And that this was nothing more than Hollywood at its best?  Is that what allllll this media coverage is about?


Okay. So what about the moon landings. Not to change the subject but. Were they fakes too. Dick Gregory back in the day said it was. Soooooooo if I am understanding right the files that Snowden has are the ones that indicate that 911 was a fabrication to start a war with Iraq[my president didn't do this one yall].  And that was one of the reasons why Bush went missing in action. A ll because America wanted to get their hands on the oil in the middle east particularly Iraq, Iran....and they said no so America went after Hussien?   Cuz if true, Bush probably said "alright guys. I'll won't take no lightly. Cuz remember? I am a war president....so yall just signed up for an official a war.  And we don't intend to lose." Is that what this is alllllllll about?

 

Cuz if so....school me. I'm ready to learn.    Cuz I always wondered how they were able to see the face of the terrroist as he AIMED for the building. And how this was filmed on both planes coming simulateously[sp] at the towers. Another question.  Was New York under government suvilleance[sp]? Cuz how did they have the cameras pointed at the sky at the VERY moment of the attack? Hummmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Very interesting.   Oh so is this what the woman on the video is claiming that cuz she didn't see planes hit the buildings or had fuel on her and saw fuel on others....she believes that 911 didn't happen the way the government is saying it happened?   Hummmmmmm so whose skin are they trying to protect?  Both Bushes. Or the fact the truth is finally out?  Cuz quiet's kept?  I ain't surprised at the very least.  Just not!    And they're gonna find some way to BLAME my president.  And he wasn't even in office.   But!

In the end, unfortunately, Snowden and Manning will have sacrificed their lives for nothing, because of the fact that Americans can be so quickly lulled back to sleep by America's biased, corporate owned and government controlled media.  Both of their names are already fading from the spotlight as America's obedient media re-focuses Americans' concerns else where.  Actually, 911 is a prime example of this, considering how many Americans were gullible enough to believe that two different buildings hit by an airplane at different times, could so neatly and almost compactly fall to the ground like it had been rigged by demolition experts prior to impact. The vast majority of Americans believe what they were told to believe and have not one ounce of concern regarding the implications of a government in a supposed Democracy[Republic], "Free Nation", actually committing such a murderous act of deception on its own citizens. 

  However my thinking is:  Is this plausible?  I mean yes America...white America anyway can be lured into accepting all kinds of stuff for the propaganda of America the beautiful....but!  Is this something that can happen in front of thousands of people?  Were the people who witnessed seeing the building fall down in front of them delusional?  Or was it the mirrors of Hollywood?  I really want this question ANSWERED.  Cuz I really don't listen to the propaganda of white America-haven't for a very long time.  However I do remember the controversy regarding Afghanstan.  And that Shell Oil was trying to get them to cooperate with negotiations but Afghanstan didn't like Westerners spying on their social business i.e the enslavement of their women and their MSM behavior toward young boys.   And so their cooperation folded-I mean this is what I heard through the grapevine. 

 

In college, I remember receiving flyers after flyers on campus regarding the injustice toward women and children there. Women burned, beaten, child brides...the whole nine yards.   And this exposure from westerners wasn't going too good in Afghanstan[sp]. They didn't like them being there.  And soonafter, BAM!  The towers fell down.  Bush targeted Hussien.  And the beat went on. War was launched against terrorists.  

 

But!  I keep telling ya.  The real war? Ain't about getting oil per se-especially on the easterners' side.  It's purely semantics.  Cuz if by chance, easterners [who most are poor and living in the desert] could do what the hell they wanted socially against women and children and play their we follow our God's rule game and not be criticized by the world-they would have SOLD oil to westerners quicker than a new york minute....but!  It is MUCH MUCH more than allowing Americans to pump oil from their land.  And certainly much more than the ideology of white America-who by the way...did the SAME thang kinda to Africans and Native Americans.

 

And I also remember the wiki leaks controversy with homeboy...and how they tried to throw him under the bus....by saying "how dare you tell our secrets."  While white media use terrorist scare tactics to make America think he telling secrets about survillance[sp] and nuclear war....It is about war alright.  It is about SOCIAL war and the easterners will give their lives[and have] to maintain this sick way of living.  To me it has absolutely nothing to do with  EXPOSING our secrets and more to do with the things that are still going on like child trafficking, drugs, slavery and keeping their backwards primitive thinking in the dark as they continue to torture on women and children in Africa, Eastern Europe and South Asia...and who continues to PROFIT from it.    Folks can SAY what they want.  They can say I'm crazy-nothing new for me cuz I do think outside the box.  But the history of greed of the DOLLAR bill mainly comes from America and other post colonial Europeans. However the other people  i.e. terrorists want something else.  And as we see....are willing to  DIE for it.  Why do you think we are on high alert........again?  In the very places I've just mentioned.  Because it is the 20 thousand year struggle of the ying and the yang i.e. east versus west of what is SOCIALLY right and wrong.  And I bet it's all written on paper as proof.  But!  

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But!  I keep telling ya.  The real war? Ain't about getting oil per se-especially on the easterners' side.  It's purely semantics.  Cuz if by chance, easterners [who most are poor and living in the desert] could do what the hell they wanted socially against women and children and play their we follow our God's rule game and not be criticized by the world-they would have SOLD oil to westerners quicker than a new york minute....but!  It is MUCH MUCH more than allowing Americans to pump oil from their land.  And certainly much more than the ideology of white America-who by the way...did the SAME thang kinda to Africans and Native Americans.

 

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I think it is about the oil on America's side, and on the Easterners side, it is about what the West has did/is doing/is capable of doing, to control the oil in those countries.  With the amount of influence and control Big Oil has on our politicians, America's military exploits in the so-called Middle East/East have been more Corporate Takeovers than true, bona fide, constitutionally legal wars.  Any connection with cultural/ideological differences has been on the side of the East, otherwise, Big Oil in America and their political puppets could care less about the enslavement of women and children in those countries, but rather, only about the bottom line, the Dollar Bill.

  Exactly....on the American side it is about the OIL!!!!  Absolutely.   That's what they want....and as we see will DO anything to GET IT.  Including starting a war about weapons of mass destruction to convince Americans to fund the invasion and kill Hussien.  And you're right the political puppets care less.  They really do.  BTW:  I wasn't clear which buildings she was talking about.  When she said she didn't see planes and or the buildings collapsing I just assumed she was talking about the towers.  My bad.  But!   

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

BTW:  I wasn't clear which buildings she was talking about.  When she said she didn't see planes and or the buildings collapsing I just assumed she was talking about the towers.  My bad.  But!   

She is talking about the Pentagon.  Not New York.  She was in the Pentagon when whatever it was hit the building.  She had to crawl out.

 

9/11 is an issue of PHYSICS!

 

Is physics White?

 

Do White people have a monopoly on intelligence and tell everyone else what to think?  If most White people believe stupid nonsense that contradicts physics then what does it say about us if we believe them?

 

So if Black scientists say nothing about 9/11 then what are we supposed to think?

 

But if 9/11 is actually a simple problem then the issue is White Intellectual Imperialism and we do not have the guts to think for ourselves.

 

Xum

Brotha Xum wrote:  
But if 9/11 is actually a simple problem then the issue is White Intellectual Imperialism and we do not have the guts to think for ourselves.

 

  We don't even have GUTS to talk about our own issues affecting our culture let alone something massa's doing on the side.  And when it comes to physics, I don't mind tellin you I'm at a lost.  So....school me my brotha.  Cuz if black scientists are not talking about it....somebody should.  So let's have at it!  And if you do decide to do so....try not to talk over my head....math gives me a headache.  But!

"math gives me a headache"

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It gives me a headache too, either that or it just tranquilizes me like a sleeping pill, like I've just taken a big giant pill that has 'boredom' stamped on it.  I think it's my brains way of tuning out all but the most essential mathematics.  To this day, no one, not even math teachers, have been able to explain to me any practical, generic reasons for knowing almost all of the higher math.  Even algebra, to me, appears to only be a system of unnecessary 'code' or unnecessary 'shorthand' whose use is only practical under very specific circumstances or within specialize fields.  I would like for someone to explain to me what it is that I'm not getting.

To answer the question, . . . Snowden . . .  "Why should Black people care?"

 

I don't presume that Black people don't care, but I do believe that to Black people, at least African Americans, what Snowden has to say is just not 'news' to us, because we have always lived under surveillance in this country, both covert and overt.  The Civil Right Movement, The Black Power Movement, and Racism, especially, opened African American eyes, and keeps them open, to how fleeting and fake the Liberty this country espouses can be. 

 

African Americans have been living under a Police State all along, Snowden is not telling us anything we did not already know.  But, of course, White racism has always keep the 'majority'/White people, from seeing that the abuse of Black people's rights has always just been the tip of the iceberg of what is to come, dependent on who's wielding the power in this country at the time. 

 

They use Black people to socially condition White people into accepting the usurp of civil liberties, constitutional rights, and a fair and an impartial justice system.  When Whites awaken from the racist stupor they have been inoculated with by right-wing politicians and fringe groups, it will already be Law, that also applies to all of them. 

Sista Sunnubian wrote:  
It gives me a headache too, either that or it just tranquilizes me like a sleeping pill, like I've just taken a big giant pill that has 'boredom'stamped on it.  I think it's my brains way of tuning out all but the most essential mathematics.  To this day, no one, not even math teachers, have been able to explain to me any practical, generic reasons for knowing almost all of the higher math.  Even algebra, to me, appears to only be a system of unnecessary 'code' or unnecessary 'shorthand' whose use is only practical under very specific circumstances or within specialize fields.  I would like for someone to explain to me what it is that I'm not getting.

 

  A lot of people feel the same way my sista...including me.  And the only reason why I started taking college math courses was to help my students with their homework....cuz I completely forgotten all the rules pertaining to algebra...and if you recall Honest Brother helped me to the point that I went all the way to math probability-don't ask.  It was like giving birth all over again.....but!  I made it through. And thank Gd cuz since I decided to go  back to get another degree....the math refresher has really helped me a lot.  But having said alllllll that?  I still don't understand it.  I can do it but I don't understand why you have to do all this work when you already know the answer.  As a matter of fact, they will give you the answer and still make you work the problem.  So.,,.I'm still at a lost as to why that is supposed to make sense.   [pssst  quiet's kept me  thinks men create this method of math cuz they know we women will get bored and they designed these rules just for that purpose. ] But!   

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

To answer the question, . . . Snowden . . .  "Why should Black people care?"

 

I don't presume that Black people don't care, but I do believe that to Black people, at least African Americans, what Snowden has to say is just not 'news' to us, because we have always lived under surveillance in this country, both covert and overt.  The Civil Right Movement, The Black Power Movement, and Racism, especially, opened African American eyes, and keeps them open, to how fleeting and fake the Liberty this country espouses can be. 

 

African Americans have been living under a Police State all along, Snowden is not telling us anything we did not already know.  But, of course, White racism has always keep the 'majority'/White people, from seeing that the abuse of Black people's rights has always just been the tip of the iceberg of what is to come, dependent on who's wielding the power in this country at the time. 

 

They use Black people to socially condition White people into accepting the usurp of civil liberties, constitutional rights, and a fair and an impartial justice system.  When Whites awaken from the racist stupor they have been inoculated with by right-wing politicians and fringe groups, it will already be Law, that also applies to all of them. 

Ditto.

Suppose cell phones had existed when Malcolm X was alive.  If he carried one with him then his location could be tracked.  Anyone he met who also carried a cell phone could be identified.  This would not even involve listening to any actual calls which might be illegal.  Your cell phone is being tracked by computers all of the time, unless it is turned off.  What are the laws for cell phone tracking?

 

Doing the calculations to determine his position would involve trigonometry and algebra but that would be coded into the computers.  So whoever wrote the programs would have to know the math.  But once coded The FBI would not need to know the math.

 

So the "brainy" people are tools of the "smart" people.

 

Xum

Brotha Xum wrote:  So the "brainy" people are tools of the "smart" people.

 

  So is that why even if you KNOW the answer to the math problem, you still have to do the work cuz it's part of the dynamics creating inventions/mechanisms[sp]  such as the cell phone and computers?  Which both follows a number pattern?  Is that why?    Just askin.  But!

NERD supremacy is real. Artists have been usurped by Engineers.   The imagination crisis is real. We’re supposed to be gawking over the latest cell phone like it was the second coming.  We relate to one another through a later of dead silicon. Retail clerks repeat the same 4 to 6 robotic phrases over and over again...”No problem . . .is there anything else I can help you with?” . . .”Have you found everything?...”Hello” says the security guard as you enter the store like he knows you.  The zombie mentality seems  here to stay. Some people have a problem adapting. 

 
Originally Posted by sunnubian:

"So the "brainy" people are tools of the "smart" people."

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Then that means that the only true "supremacy" in the human race Is "NERD" supremacy.

 

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:

NERD supremacy is real. Artists have been usurped by Engineers.   The imagination crisis is real. We’re supposed to be gawking over the latest cell phone like it was the second coming.  We relate to one another through a later of dead silicon. Retail clerks repeat the same 4 to 6 robotic phrases over and over again...”No problem . . .is there anything else I can help you with?” . . .”Have you found everything?...”Hello” says the security guard as you enter the store like he knows you.  The zombie mentality seems  here to stay. Some people have a problem adapting. 

 
 

 

 To this day, no one, not even math teachers, have been able to explain to me any practical, generic reasons for knowing almost all of the higher math.  Even algebra, to me, appears to only be a system of unnecessary 'code' or unnecessary 'shorthand' whose use is only practical under very specific circumstances or within specialize fields.  I would like for someone to explain to me what it is that I'm not getting.

 

 

Think of "higher math" like a fire extinguisher.  Its value isn't based on how often you use it, but its effectiveness when you use it (as need dictates).   Algebra (basic) is VERY useful if you are in business of any kind.   Algebra (and more complex math in general) is just about understanding relationships wether they're  static or constantly changing.  

 

I don't agree that there is necessarily a "Nerd supremacy", at least that's not what was being described.  The transformation of people from artisans who master skills, tools and put creativity into their work, into business "worker drones" is long documented.  It serves the needs of the existing social construct.  

 

When the system decides that its no longer useful to have  an "eductated population" you begin to see a systemic devaluation of educational institutions and pursuits. 

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

When the system decides that its no longer useful to have  an "eductated population" you begin to see a systemic devaluation of educational institutions and pursuits. 


Or, you see a system being set-up to make getting an education [higher learning] unaffordable or the money spent not being worth the debt, or an entire system, a complete Industry based on debtors financial enslavement.

 

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