I finally clicked on one of those links that I get bombarded by that leads to a porn site. After clicking around I came on this site where these two white guys, posing as music video producers, go out and try to find some woman and try to get her to take off her clothes and perform sex acts in order to "audition". Afterwards, they tell the unsuspecting female that she did not make the cut. The women were ALL Black or Hispanic and seemingly young. They also knew that they were being videotaped. None of them insisted on protection of any kind. Just about all of the women asked if they got the part, one even asked where JZ was (she was told that he was going to come by).

Obviously porn makes a lot of money, so my question is: Have the standards for trying to "make it big" or trying to meet a "star" gotten so low, that women (young) are willing to do anything??

There are also a lot of sites where you can satisfy any craving - Black, white, Asian, Lesbian, straight, gay, webcams etc. Is it the allure of the "almighty dollar" that makes people want to "expose" their lifestyles/habits?

 

 

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Because porn has gone mainstream it is no longer considered a taboo or something that hide or didn't admit to watching. In fact porn stars all now big celebraties openly talking about their industry and bringing it out into mainstream America. In fact in California the state dept of Labor issued a complaint aganist one studio because the actors were supposely performing without the use of protection, other then that there was no concern about what was going on.

Because of the lack of shame involved with porn today and the big dollars involved its easy to see why some young women would actually choose that as a career choice.

Speaking of the website that you went to, there is another called the gangbangsquad that is composed of usually 4 or 5 brothers who go out and look for women to gangbang, they usually lie to her but once the action starts the women participate willingly and then the guys throw her out on the street. Partically all the women are white. Equal opportunity porn, only in America.
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Originally posted by jazzdog: Equal opportunity porn, only in America.


This country is do damn corrupt...I find it despicable. And yes, the Dollar is that powerful, It has brought Black people to the lowest low. Of all women, BLACK women should be the ones having more repect for themselves, and Black men should know better.
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Have the standards for trying to "make it big" or trying to meet a "star" gotten so low, that women (young) are willing to do anything?


I can't watch porn either, I just become so incensed with anger at the sight of women (and men) agreeing to participate in just about any unimaginable sexual act that you can think of, some of them obviously in pain from what is being done to them. Its terribly depressing. What does it say about the members of society that finds this type of activity "entertaining?" What kind of person becomes aroused by watching people have sexual intercourse with animals? But if we deny people the right to do what they please, then we risk becoming a "dictatorship" where people's rights are restricted. To every advantage, there's a disadvantage. Yes, in America, people are free to do what they want, but exercising certain "freedoms" can also be self-destructive. An effective way to control some of this behavior is to not financially support pornography. Don't rent or buy the naked tapes from the video stores. Don't visit the naked sites on the Internet. Stop buying the Girls Gone Nasty tapes or whatever the hell they call it. Take a stand against it.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
[QUOTE]Don't rent or buy the naked tapes from the video stores. Don't visit the naked sites on the Internet. Stop buying the Girls Gone Nasty tapes or whatever the hell they call it. Take a stand against it.



Rowe's right. Pornographic destruction has to end somewhere, and if we all jump in and participate in the cause, we can make a difference. I suppose I support democracy to an extent, however this country does have too much freedom. The wide availability of explicit material is incredible. I wouldn't mind living in a nation with stricter censorship laws if it meant my children could grow up in a respectable fashion without being subject to constant indecency.
Yes, I agree that pornography has to end somewhere, and in order for that to happen we must stop contributing to it's profits. But we fail to address issues like music videos, which today can practically be described as pornography. It is ridiculous to see all of these women in videos clad in little to no clothing, acting as nothing more than sexual stimulants to rappers and singer, often showing a message that is totally irrelevant to the lyrics of the songs. So if we're going to discuss pornography and it's effects, lets not forget about one form that plays a large part in the lives of African American lives.
What do you say to the women who actually make a decent living for themeselves and their families through porn who otherwise might be out on the streets? Let's remember that these women weren't at a career fork in the road trying to decide between, say, Harvard and porn. brosmile
I guess it's not my place to decipher what is best for the next woman, and if she feels that it is in her best interest to chose porn over say harvard Wink then that is her business... but we can not for one moment feel that it is the ideal example that we would want to set for younger black females growing up. Black women have a hard enough time setting themselves apart from the negative stereotypes and the simple argument that pornography is how they make a living- to me- seems simplistic. Granted it is difficult, especially in today's society, to be financially stable or to live comfortably, but overcoming struggles is a part of what makes black people- not just women, as strong as we are.
Don't get me wrong. I wish that everyone had the luxury of a fine middle class upbringing with great education, values, and aspirations. Unfortunately that is too rare a commodity. I'm certainly not defending porn, however honestly, I don't see porn being a major factor one way or the other in the growth (or lack thereof) of the black community.
I try to look at the issue with an open mind but I honestly feel there is a major problem. Any time you have young girls practicing how to "twirk it" for hours at a time, and little or no time on school work somethings wrong.
I have a friend with a 2 year old daughter and the kid is not toilet trained yet and she is behind her peers with basic language, but the mother is always showing her BET videaos and showing her how to work what she got.
If its a profession of "choice" then I guess I'm cool with it, but too many of our youth look at sex as the way to be a man/woman and all they do is keep generations under achieving.
JMHO

catch
Are we talking about porn (i.e. XXX movies) or about an over-all increase in prurient display in the media? They are not the same.

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Originally posted by Raylyn:

So how do you think it's affecting black youth? And the perspective of black women?


I think when viewed by people who have been given a solid sense of self and understand what is right and valuable in life - porn is mere entertainment. The problem is not porn, IMHO, it is families/parents not instilling values in their children. Without that critical foundation, all sorts of things have a damaging effect on our children.
Yes I totally agree with you win that MANY things have damaging effects on our children as a result of parents not instilling values and morals in their children, but my argument is this, when videos seen by children are boarderline XXX movies (which they have become) what do we do then?
I'm not saying that porn is totally horrible and it needs to completely be stopped all I'm asking is what we do about it's impact on the black community.
I don't know, maybe it's the black women's studies classes coming out, but I just think that it shouldn't be taken quite so likely. We all know that it is the responsibility of parents to raise their children in proper ways but we also know that there are a lot of parents who don't. So where do we go from there as people involved in children's lives?

I hope that doesn't steer too far away from the topic.
Different to a degree, I agree with that. But what was once considered "soft porn" is now an every day staple in most households. Maybe we have become so desensitized that it becomes no big issue. These big rap starts started out with regular videos, progressed to videos seen only at late night or special order to full blown porn promopting their tracks. To me one is not much better than the other.

Let me go talk to Mr. Crown Royal and think about this issue some more........ fro


catch
I see the large amount of porn in popular culture as a symptom of a greater problem. This society puts the all mighty dollar ahead of everything else in value, even human dignity, and this is evedent in many things outside of porn. Exploitation and oppression of women, in particular African/Black and other non-white women is going highten. Capitalism is Capital oriented...not people oriented. So people are only a means to an end, not an end in themsleves. I see the pop-culture porn issue as just another symptom of a much greater problem. Human dignity, really human life is all "cheap" in this society under this system. All ripe for exploitation and profit. Nothing is sacred.
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Originally posted by MBM:
Don't get me wrong. I wish that everyone had the luxury of a fine middle class upbringing with great education, values, and aspirations.


I tend to disagree with this point of view only because all of the people participating in pornography are not destitute or poor. Many of the participants or "actors," particularly the white girls, in fact are from middle class households brought up with great education, values and aspirations. Some of them, in fact, are doing what they do in order to put themselves through college, while others do it for "fun" (e.g. Girls Gone Wild). This is why, again, as Oshun agrees, its a symptom of a greater problem inherit in European/American Culture. You simply will not see this type of activity, at least to this extent, taking place in other parts of the world. The people here do not value themselves and they do not value others. They do not value the environment, or the animals, that are used (abused) to make these videos. Europeans have shown a historical pattern of exploitation and abuse. "Pornography" is just another institution where this explotation, abusive behavior, and low self worth is externally (outwardly) expressed. In other words, these people are sick and dis-eased. All one needs to do is observe their patterns of behavior. And unfortunately, blacks, latinos, as well as other minorities are being influenced and seduced by the mentalities and pathological behaviors inherit in this dis-eased culture, most of whom are completely unaware that they are being culturally condition.
PLAY CULTURAL CHESS- Move and Countermove

I wish that blacks, latinos, and other minorities could simply take a step back and observe whites as if they were in a glass case and just watch how they make decisions, especially when minorities are concerned, and ask themselves why certain decisions are made and what we need to do to counteract that decision. One of the things we can do is not to behave in ways that are self-destructive or detrimental to our health. Whites are very clever at taking excellent care of themselves and their children, especially in terms of providing them with the "best" of everything, while you fall to the wayside in Pornography, Violence, Drugs, Poverty, Poor Health, and Substandard Education. People of color must begin to study how whites think and reorganize themselves based upon this thinking. Our defenses have been down too long. You have to understand where these people are coming from. They really could care less about what happens to you or your family. And we need to stop relating to them as if they do.
Rowe-

Sadly, what you say is true. Europeans practically INVENTED exploitation. I can't feel deeply in my heart that as a general population, whites are concerned about my well being, for if it were true, Blacks would have more resources available to them and we'd be better off. I mean, think about it-if they cared about us as much as they care about themselves, we'd grow up just as prosperous as they do.

I think pornography is another way for the white man to shame us and re-establish the stereotype of being "dirty" and uneducated. For some reason, it seems to be "okay" when they do it...you almost expect to see those white girls on those tapes doing what they do. Minorities have been influenced by it in a bad way though. I bet white people secretly take pride in watching us lower ourselves like that. It's another game, another trick they've been playing on us for years.
I do not believe that cultures or people are either "good" or "bad". I think that peoples/cultures grow and "do the best they can" with the circumstances that they find themselves in. For example, given the opposite scenario, would African people have chosen not to enslave Europeans or colonize Europe etc.? Although obviously Africa today is largely a product of the strife that Europeans placed on the continent through colonialization, nevertheless, as much as I love my people and my land, I'm not sure that we have demonstrated any sort of monopoly on morality or virtue.

That said, I agree that Africans in America should examine closely our circumstances and develop strategies for uplift that are targeted exclusively for us. We need to determine what we need to do to survivve and prosper. That will be different from others because our circimstance is different. That kind of analysis also will be exceedingly difficult since we live in the broader American culture an know nothing else.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
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Originally posted by MBM:
Don't get me wrong. I wish that everyone had the luxury of a fine middle class upbringing with great education, values, and aspirations.


I tend to disagree with this point of view only because all of the people participating in pornography are not destitute or poor.


Again, I think we need to be clear about our language. There is a significant difference between someone doing something sexual (i.e. Girls Gone Wild or music videos) and the pornography industry. You may be right above, but if someone had the opportunities that education, middle class values and income afford, why would they participate in the porn industry?

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You simply will not see this type of activity, at least to this extent, taking place in other parts of the world.


First, there is porn all over the world. Where there are men, there will be porn and sex. Second, whether we like it or not, if there is a market for something, there will be people willing to be paid to do it. That certainly doesn't make it right or virtuous, but it is.
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Originally posted by MBM:
I do not believe that cultures or people are either "good" or "bad". I think that peoples/cultures grow and "do the best they can" with the circumstances that they find themselves in. For example, given the opposite scenario, would African people have chosen not to enslave Europeans or colonize Europe etc.? Although obviously Africa today is largely a product of the strife that Europeans placed on the continent through colonialization, nevertheless, as much as I love my people and my land, I'm not sure that we have demonstrated any sort of monopoly on morality or virtue.


I don't think cultures are "good" or "bad". But I do think that some cultures are "out of balance" and some are "in more balance". Although European culture does not necessarily have the monopoly on being amoral...It sure has obviousely maximized exploitation and oppression in comparison with other cultures and/or "systems" that were developed from cultures that seem to minimize such thing or at least have them in check once they reach a certain level.

What "opposite senario" did Africans not have the chance to do? The Moors colonized the Iberian peninsula but had nothing like the intolerance and exploitation that the Europeans have developed globally. In fact there is ancient evidence that several cultures circumvented the globe and none did the colonialism and imperialism and destruction that Eureopean culture developped. European culture developped capitalism and chattel slavery...Yes, Africa had slavery like every other culture, but the form it took was quite different.

IMO we must ask ourselves...What was distinctly and is distinctly different or "out of balance" about European culture(The extension nbeing AMerican culture) to develop guns from gun powder when other societies...the Chinese used it to celebrate(fire works)?...Killing massive amounts of people isn't "smart"...It's a result of a particluar culture. Destroying the world for the benefit of the few is insane if you even care about your own future generations...This culture doesn't even worry about the environment..the very thing we and it needs to preserve to survive. Something is definately "out of balance" when it comes to that. This is a global system, and a particular culture developped it...That culture/system must be examined and criticized for what it "solely" developed...

If we don't figure out what is out of wack, how it became out of wack, and how we can stop it...We are all screwed...This system is self-destructive.
Because society has become more accepting of porn, it's become a multibillion dollar industry. And the fact is that surveys show that most americans have tried it in some form or another.

I do think it's going to have some long term affects on our kids, social skills of kids and adults, as well as the dilution of commitment.
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Originally posted by DBlack:

I do think it's going to have some long term affects on our kids, social skills of kids and adults, as well as the dilution of commitment.


Porn is another way of 'self medicating'. People turn to porn or prostitution or drugs or alcohol or shopping or video games or other potentially harmful things when used in excess to mask pain from other parts of their lives. To make a difference, we need to address the deeper issues that drive the behavior.
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Originally posted by MBM:
I do not believe that cultures or people are either "good" or "bad". I think that peoples/cultures grow and "do the best they can" with the circumstances that they find themselves in. For example, given the opposite scenario, would African people have chosen not to enslave Europeans or colonize Europe etc.


Respectfully, cultural studies is much more complex than characterizing cultural groups as good and bad. In fact, there are no dichotomies involved. But specifically, a critique, an analysis, of different cultures based on thier past and present behaviors as well as their Intra-cultural behavior (interactions with one another inside the group) and Inter-cultural behavior (interactions with people outside of the group). Cultural studies has discovered that each group has a distinctive cultural personality (sort of like a fingerprint), which is expressed via the common behaviors, belief systems, ideas, and decisions made by the group. Therefore, it is simply not possible to compare, assign, and/or even project the intentions of Europeans (who are a completely separate group) onto Africans, Latinos, American Natives, etc. Just as no two individuals are the same, no two groups are the same. This is why it is incorrect to make the argument, "Blacks would have done the same thing as whites if they were in power," which happens to be a very typical argument made by whites in order to mask their feelings of responsibility and guilt. I want to emphasize here however that my intentions are not to suggest African or African-American superiority. Not in the least. I only seek to objectively critique the historical and current behaviors of Europeans. It is urgent, extremely important that this is done, and thoroughly, especially by minorities who are often the prime target of European expansion, abuse, and exploitation. Europeans, in the past, and even today, have consistently demonstrated a tendency to interact and relate to people, specificaly non-whites, who lay outstide the group, in a very aggressive and offensive manner. We need to ask Why? Why do they do that? What is the problem?
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Originally posted by Rowe:

Europeans, in the past as well as the present, have consistently demonstrated a tendency to interact and relate to people, specificaly non-whites, who are outstide of their culture in a very aggressive and offensive manner. We need to ask Why? Why do they do that? What is the problem?


Simply (and simplistically), because they are threatened by the differences and the 'power' of black and brown (and other) people. Europeans have adopted a defensive, insecure posture in dealing with others. Hence they lash out and seek to control and subjugate in an effort to maintain a level of comfortable "control" over their environment. Meshed with this is an economic incentive that drives them to acquire more and more and more.

The combination of their fear and their greed puts them in a particularly vulnerable(*) place vis-a-vis the rest of the world. And here we are . . .

Thoughts?

* When I say "vulnerable", I mean that the combination of their basic insecurity about the world, plus the need to encroach upon others' lands to satisfy their greed (and therefore confront their insecurities head on) puts them in a frame of mind where they have to come with violence instead of peace or even collaboration.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Rowe:

Europeans, in the past as well as the present, have consistently demonstrated a tendency to interact and relate to people, specificaly non-whites, who are outstide of their culture in a very aggressive and offensive manner. We need to ask Why? Why do they do that? What is the problem?


Simply (and simplistically), because they are threatened by the differences and the 'power' of black and brown (and other) people. Europeans have adopted a defensive, insecure posture in dealing with others. Hence they lash out and seek to control and subjugate in an effort to maintain a level of comfortable "control" over their environment. Meshed with this is an economic incentive that drives them to acquire more and more and more.

The combination of their fear and their greed puts them in a particularly vulnerable place vis-a-vis the rest of the world. And here we are . . .



Indeed.
I'm afraid we have strayed far away from the topic of "Internet Porn." I simply wanted to emphasize that everything that takes place inside a culture is interconnected, interrelated. Our job, as minorities, I believe, is to figure out how they are related and how Europeans are expressing themselves, their ideas, and needs through that particular institution, genre, industry, or whatever. I hope I have been clear in this discussion, I just wanted to provide another perspective on the topic.
Of course MBM's last response and analysis of European behavior is on target. But we shouldn't stop there! It is important that minorities, as well as others globally, continue to analyze, strategize, and search for clues. We must continue to stay on guard and wait for the next move until this matter is solved. We must never think that we have figured it all out and that our work is finally over. Never.
I think I'm tracking this topic alittle better. If we are talking cultural differences then I tend to agree to a point. Europeans don't seem to put such a high value on sex as Americans do and if you ask most Europeans they consider Americans prude when it comes to matters of sex, porn and associated items. Nudity to the majority of them is no big deal as there are nude beaches, parks etc everywhere and it is an accepted by all. Parents teach their children at a young age about sex and the priority to "get ones groove on" is not as intense as it is here.
I have nothing against porn or sex but when I see parents in poverty having babies that will most likely end up in the same place.

I think I'm on track; if not I'll go get another drink and come back later..... upfro
catch
Hey wait a minute, Ocatchings, before you go, this particular discussion about European-American culture includes Europeans in Europe and in America. First of all, Europeans are not native to America. Of course you know this. They came from Europe and they brought their culture with them, just as blacks imported their cultural identities to America. Your cultural identity is like a fingerprint, you can't get rid of it simply because you leave the continent. Your culture is apart of your very being, your essence, your ethos. I hope this helps. But you made a great point about the difference in how Europeans in Europe view sex differently than those in America. However, Europeans in Europe are well known for their pornography, which tends to be even more explicit.
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Originally posted by Rowe:

Hey wait a minute, Ocatchings, before you go, this particular discussion about European-American culture includes Europeans in Europe and in America. First of all, Europeans are not native to America. Of course you know this. They came from Europe and they brought their culture with them, just as blacks imported their cultural identities to America. Your cultural identity is like a fingerprint, you can't get rid of it simply because you leave the continent. Your culture is apart of your very being, your essence, your ethos. I hope this helps. But you made a great point about the difference in how Europeans in Europe see sex differently than the Europeans in America. However, Europeans in Europe are well known for their pornography, which tends to be even more explicit.


The only problem is that through slavery etc., most of us (Africans) have been almost completely "whitewashed" of our native culture and identity. Which leads me to the question of whether we actually can step outside of ourselves to analyze the negative influence that American/white culture has on us. It would be almost like a fish trying to step out of water to analyze the impact that the water has on it. Can we do that? Do we have the cultural perspective to step outside of our experience to do that?

I'm interested in everyone's thoughts.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Rowe:

Hey wait a minute, Ocatchings, before you go, this particular discussion about European-American culture includes Europeans in Europe and in America. First of all, Europeans are not native to America. Of course you know this. They came from Europe and they brought their culture with them, just as blacks imported their cultural identities to America. Your cultural identity is like a fingerprint, you can't get rid of it simply because you leave the continent. Your culture is apart of your very being, your essence, your ethos. I hope this helps. But you made a great point about the difference in how Europeans in Europe see sex differently than the Europeans in America. However, Europeans in Europe are well known for their pornography, which tends to be even more explicit.


The only problem is that through slavery etc., most of us (Africans) have been almost completely "whitewashed" of our native culture and identity. Which leads me to the question of whether we actually can step outside of ourselves to analyze the negative influence that American/white culture has on us. It would be almost like a fish trying to step out of water to analyze the impact that the water has on it. Can we do that? Do we have the cultural perspective to step outside of our experience to do that?

I'm interested in everyone's thoughts.


In other words, many blacks do not assume a "double consciousness" as proposed by W.E.B. Dubois. Their cultural identities have taken the form of a foreign body to the point that its no longer recognizable. Some argue however, that black people, unknowingly, have maintained much of their cultural identities. The Black Church for example is known to be the epitome of Africanness, despite the glorification of a "White Jesus." For a long time, the black church, was the only place where blacks could independently think and worship as they pleased without the close supervision of Europeans. It is said that the black church is where blacks were able to cultivate and advance their African-centeredness and instill it in the next generation. Most people think of the black church as a indoctinating institution, but ironically, its been the only place where blacks can keep their identities in tact and distinguish themselves from the outside world.
Blacks will mesh their identities with whites for surface-level reasons (e.g. to get employment, attend college, maintain harmonious relations with whites on the job, and for basic survival). However, when we are among one another, we tend to resort back to what I call an innate "African consciousness." On the streets, its called, "Keepin' It Real." Among one another, we can organize our own language, dress, style, and preference in the ways that we understand it. Much of African communication is nonverbal to begin with. And many of us have a spiritual intelligence that goes beyond the intelligence measured in Western society. Because of our intimate relationship with sprituality, we can intuitively relate to other beings and the environment in ways that Europeans do not understand. This spiritual intelligence and spiritual existence has been well documented by white historians studying indigeneous groups. I think what disturbs whites the most is the realization that people of color have alot more in common with one another, than whites do with any of us. More importantly, despite the many efforts that have been to make the world over, people of color still repudiate European-American culture and resort back to their indigenous ways. I believe this pisses them off to the highest degree.
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Originally posted by Rowe:

In other words, many blacks do not assume a "double consciousness" as proposed by W.E.B. Dubois.


No, I definitely believe that we have our own culture. The rest of the world is trying their hardest to copy it! brosmile Nevertheless, our culture, for the most part, evolved within the context of America and American culture. I think we can clearly be analytical about what we need to do to move forward, I just wonder whether we have the ability to separate ourselves from that which we have grown in. Even though we may still demonstrate Africanisms, for the most part we don't even know that they are that. It just is - we walk the way we walk, talk the way we talk, etc., etc. because it has been imprinted on us - from somewhere.

There is definitely a 'double consciousness' - but even our black identity evolved here since slavery stripped away pretty much everything else.
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Originally posted by MBM:
The only problem is that through slavery etc., most of us (Africans) have been almost completely "whitewashed" of our native culture and identity. Which leads me to the question of whether we actually can step outside of ourselves to analyze the negative influence that American/white culture has on us. It would be almost like a fish trying to step out of water to analyze the impact that the water has on it. Can we do that? Do we have the cultural perspective to step outside of our experience to do that?

I'm interested in everyone's thoughts.


I think we can. I know I have been, and continue too. Unlike the fish in water....the "bowl" we are in is America and American culture(American dominant culture being an extension of European culture)...

A good way to do this is to explore Native and diasporan African culture via reading, practice, association/organization, and travel. The thing about the U.S. is even though we are in "a bowl filled with water"(dominent Euro-culture)...There are pockets of "air"(sub-cultures). Associate ourselves with Africans from the diaspora and the continent. If we can't analyze our "acculturation", or lack there of, to the dominent cutlure, others will do it for us. Ask questions and TRAVEL. We can leave this fish bowl...We'd be suprised how much of African culture is still with us and we just aren't aware of it.(my friends have been very helpful in this area, they always let me know when I, or us Africans born in the U.S., are doing something from "home" and we're unaware of it...Now I can do it/see it too). This isn't to say our experience in this country has had no effect. Obviousely it has. But I don't think the effect is "complete" or absolute. Slavery and colonization are just experiences...or moment in our history. They have changed certain aspects but not everything...Our culture was carried over on the slave ships.


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Originally posted by MBM:
Simply (and simplistically), because they are threatened by the differences and the 'power' of black and brown (and other) people. Europeans have adopted a defensive, insecure posture in dealing with others. Hence they lash out and seek to control and subjugate in an effort to maintain a level of comfortable "control" over their environment. Meshed with this is an economic incentive that drives them to acquire more and more and more.

The combination of their fear and their greed puts them in a particularly vulnerable(*) place vis-a-vis the rest of the world. And here we are . . .

Thoughts?


Sounds like the Isis Papers...
MBM, what you say is so true, so true. But I think we are making progress. Its not uncommon for comedians for example to include in their routine the differences between white behaviors and black behaviors. In the past, it would have never been permitted for blacks to even acknowledge themselves as different from whites. Independent thinking of course was prohibited. But as far as analyzing, yes, you are right, we have some ways to go. However, critical thinkers such as yourself can certainly speed up the process!
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

A good way to do this is to explore Native and diasporan African culture via reading, practice, association/organization, and travel.


And also I have found communicating with African natives attending colleges in the states to be helpful. But I would be careful. I recently spoke to a guy who is from Nigeria and is in same Masters program. He often complains about speaking to American students because they always ask him how the lions and tigers are where he lives or if any of family members has ever been eaten by a lion. He explains to them that Africa has paved streets and cities.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

A good way to do this is to explore Native and diasporan African culture via reading, practice, association/organization, and travel.


And also communicating with African natives attending colleges in the states is helpful. But I would be careful. I recently spoke to a guy who is from Nigeria and he says he can't stand speaking to Americans because they always ask him how the lions and tigers are where he lives or if any of family members have been eaten by a lion. He explains to them that Africa has paved streets and cities.


Your friend is very patient. My continental friends get the same stupid questions...And now I do too(I won't even repeat the stupid crap my co-workers ask me about Africa after I went there...I was livid Eek, but understood "why" they were ignorant) .

That is why I stressed reading about African culture and history first. We often read BS IMO, romance novels and the like...if we spend any significant amount of time reading. Plus the U.S. populouus in general is pretty ignorant abut the outside world reguardless of race. We must educate ourselves about ourselves... when we do have some knowledge, continental Africans are usually extremely happy to conversate and educate...sadly because we are the rare "Black American" they have ran into that isn't offensive and asking stupid questions.

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