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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

And especially the 'dumb it down' part. I really hate that. Roll Eyes Because it's not that they aren't (academically) intelligent ... they just don't know anything about anything else to talk about. So, you have to keep it simple.



What have you attempted to talk with them about? Confused Perhaps they command knowledge of a different set of facts that you are unaware of...
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

And especially the 'dumb it down' part. I really hate that. Roll Eyes Because it's not that they aren't (academically) intelligent ... they just don't know anything about anything else to talk about. So, you have to keep it simple.



What have you attempted to talk with them about? Confused Perhaps they command knowledge of a different set of facts that you are unaware of...


and by that i mean, do you know

20 ways to braid a braid?
how to pluck a chicken?
How to slaughter cattle?
How to cure meat?
When to plant collards vs mustards and turnips?
Where the negro school used to be before integration?
The words to oldtime gospel songs?
How to make sweet and dill pickles?
How to stretch a bag of rice and a can of jack mackerel into a delicious meal for 6?
which 2 families in the city are kin to every other family?
How to make cough medicine from whisky, 2 peppermint drops, and a bay leaf? laugh
how to sew clothing for the full family?
How to dress a dear?
How to treat ringworm without a doctor?
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
and by that i mean, do you know

20 ways to braid a braid?
how to pluck a chicken?
How to slaughter cattle?
How to cure meat?
When to plant collards vs mustards and turnips?
Where the negro school used to be before integration?
The words to oldtime gospel songs?
How to make sweet and dill pickles?
How to stretch a bag of rice and a can of jack mackerel into a delicious meal for 6?
which 2 families in the city are kin to every other family?
How to make cough medicine from whisky, 2 peppermint drops, and a bay leaf? laugh
how to sew clothing for the full family?
How to dress a dear?
How to treat ringworm without a doctor?



negrospiritual, you ARE from the south! lol You've got me printing this out to ask my mom for the answers to these questions. But do YOU know... what 666 medicine is for and what souse meat is made of? Or how to make dandelion soup?

laugh
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
and by that i mean, do you know

20 ways to braid a braid?
how to pluck a chicken?
How to slaughter cattle?
How to cure meat?
When to plant collards vs mustards and turnips?
Where the negro school used to be before integration?
The words to oldtime gospel songs?
How to make sweet and dill pickles?
How to stretch a bag of rice and a can of jack mackerel into a delicious meal for 6?
which 2 families in the city are kin to every other family?
How to make cough medicine from whisky, 2 peppermint drops, and a bay leaf? laugh
how to sew clothing for the full family?
How to dress a dear?
How to treat ringworm without a doctor?



negrospiritual, you ARE from the south! lol You've got me printing this out to ask my mom for the answers to these questions. But do YOU know... what 666 medicine is for and what souse meat is made of? Or how to make dandelion soup?

laugh


Big Grin yep, southern as the day is long...

666 is extra strong black cough medicine, right?

souse meat aka "head cheese" is a gummy meat-like substance that is made from boiling down the head of a hog and adding peppers and spices. The congealed bits are cooled and sliced to form a kind of rubbery meaty lunch meat tongue

I've never had dandelion soup, but i do know that the leafy parts of the plant can be eaten like greens.

anyhoo, i concur with EbonyRose and OA's points that making new connections and integrating new info is good. Sometimes people with differing types of experience/knowledge don't quite know how to "take" each other and communicate with each other though
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

And especially the 'dumb it down' part. I really hate that. Roll Eyes Because it's not that they aren't (academically) intelligent ... they just don't know anything about anything else to talk about. So, you have to keep it simple.



What have you attempted to talk with them about? Confused Perhaps they command knowledge of a different set of facts that you are unaware of...


and by that i mean, do you know

20 ways to braid a braid?
how to pluck a chicken?
How to slaughter cattle?
How to cure meat?
When to plant collards vs mustards and turnips?
Where the negro school used to be before integration?
The words to oldtime gospel songs?
How to make sweet and dill pickles?
How to stretch a bag of rice and a can of jack mackerel into a delicious meal for 6?
which 2 families in the city are kin to every other family?
How to make cough medicine from whisky, 2 peppermint drops, and a bay leaf? laugh
how to sew clothing for the full family?
How to dress a dear?
How to treat ringworm without a doctor?


laugh Now those kind of conversations I LOVE! But the 'metro' folks that I was referring to don't even cook and make fun of folks that know this kinda interesting truly 'Southern' stuff... Reffering to them as 'country'. sck These convos occur with folks from East and West Texas and I so enjoy finding out these things. I had some 'Coon' last month based on this type of interaction. I like 'country' folks... It's the supposed 'city' folk that don't have a damn thing to discuss...
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

I had some 'Coon' last month based on this type of interaction. I like 'country' folks... It's the supposed 'city' folk that don't have a damn thing to discuss...



lol at your first serving of coon. up next: squirrel stew and possum dumplings 20

but for real though, i get teased unmercifully when visiting home because i refuse to allow a 'chitlin' near my mouth sck
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Big Grin yep, southern as the day is long...
666 is extra strong black cough medicine, right?
souse meat aka "head cheese" is a gummy meat-like substance that is made from boiling down the head of a hog and adding peppers and spices. The congealed bits are cooled and sliced to form a kind of rubbery meaty lunch meat tongue
I've never had dandelion soup, but i do know that the leafy parts of the plant can be eaten like greens.


You're right, sister! bow bow bow

laugh
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

I had some 'Coon' last month based on this type of interaction. I like 'country' folks... It's the supposed 'city' folk that don't have a damn thing to discuss...



lol at your first serving of coon. up next: squirrel stew and possum dumplings 20


I've been trying to find folks that cook it... No luck so far. Coon, gater tail, and dear meat sausage is the only 'new to me' local cuisine I have partaken in...

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but for real though, i get teased unmercifully when visiting home because i refuse to allow a 'chitlin' near my mouth sck


I don't touch the stuff either, but that's cuz I grew up hating watching/smelling the process of cleaning it. Ewwww...

BTW, if you have time, I really would like to know, #1 what braiding a chicken is and how to do it 20 ways, and #2 how to dress a dear...

thanks Ahead of time.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

BTW, if you have time, I really would like to know, #1 what braiding a chicken is and how to do it 20 ways, and #2 how to dress a dear...

thanks Ahead of time.


Hey! I didn't say I knew how to do all that stuff! i was simply throwing examples of people having different knowledge/information out there as a way of saying sometimes the people we think of as limited have info we don't have Eek

I am amongst those who have moved hundreds of miles from my community of origin and therefore lost or never learned some traditions...

and oops, at "dressing a dear"...I meant "dressing a deer" as in cutting up and processing the meat from a deer. "dressing" is simply another way to say "we ripped the guts out of an animal and cut the remaining carcass up into neat lil chunks", like the oft-touted Sarah Palin can field dress a moose story floated in the press... I watched (ok, walked by) my mississippi peeps doing this during the xmas holidays - does that count? tongue

but dressing a dear might be a bit more fun huh?

that was 20 different ways to braid hair, but who knows what we might be able to accomplish with a chicken and some scalding hot water 20
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

I had some 'Coon' last month based on this type of interaction. I like 'country' folks... It's the supposed 'city' folk that don't have a damn thing to discuss...



lol at your first serving of coon. up next: squirrel stew and possum dumplings 20


I've been trying to find folks that cook it... No luck so far. Coon, gater tail, and dear meat sausage is the only 'new to me' local cuisine I have partaken in...

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but for real though, i get teased unmercifully when visiting home because i refuse to allow a 'chitlin' near my mouth sck


I don't touch the stuff either, but that's cuz I grew up hating watching/smelling the process of cleaning it. Ewwww...

BTW, if you have time, I really would like to know, #1 what braiding a chicken is and how to do it 20 ways, and #2 how to dress a dear...

thanks Ahead of time.


off but for real though, i can remember old people saying coon is ok, but, possum isn't worth trying to eat. allegedly, it has too many "musk balls" sck and the meat is bitter, but when i was a kid, i knew 1 man who would occasionally cook one. How he got it, i'll never know...

Gator tail tastes like chicken, don't it? 13
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
You ain't lying, and now we're taking over the Far North Dallas area too, from Monfort all the way past Addison.


Dayum, we are on Allen and Mckinney's doorstep now. I knew we have a few small neighborhoods up there but we were not in huge numbers up that far, I thought.

I was shocked to see large numbers brotha's in N. Irving on 635/McArthur, and in Coppell and Valley Ranch. Not that long ago, you would get stopped by the cops just for being in the area.

I work in Las Colinas (drive from SW Fort Worth) and I am pleasantly surprised to see how many of us there are up here now.
Ya'll need to quit lying.

If someone put a big steaming bowl of chitlins and Louisana hot sauce in front of you, with some mustard and collard greens, black eyed peas and a big slab of corn bread.

We'd have to beat you off with a stick.

20

Just kidding. I don't eat them either. I use to, that stuff will kill you.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
off but for real though, i can remember old people saying coon is ok, but, possum isn't worth trying to eat. allegedly, it has too many "musk balls" sck and the meat is bitter,
Gator tail tastes like chicken, don't it? 13


That's because a possum is a scavenger. They eat dead decaying animals. At least that's what my Grandmother told me.

This guy that works with me said they call it the it the buzzard of the ground in Oklahoma (he's from OK)
The first time I had chitterlings was when I was serving in the military in Georgia. I went to a local restaurant with some fellow officers and one of them recommended the chitterling sandwich. I put some hot sauce on it and ordered a beer with it. It was pretty good. I'd like some more, please! 15
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
chitlins is what I like BEST about the south. Confused Razz


Yeah, because I bet you've never had to CLEAN them! Razz There's not enough hot sauce in the world to overcome the memory of the cleaning process. shudders...


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Originally posted by ac9311:
That's because a possum is a scavenger. They eat dead decaying animals... it's like the buzzard of the ground


Very true. I think racoon is the same way. I don't fool with dead, decaying food or "squirrel stew". That's a good way to develop encephaly (mad _____ disease) brought on by prions. No way, Jose! td6
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
chitlins is what I like BEST about the south. Confused Razz


Yeah, because I bet you've never had to CLEAN them! Razz There's not enough hot sauce in the world to overcome the memory of the cleaning process. shudders...


That is about the last time I actually ate some. One of my boys wanted to eat some for New Years day and asked me to help him clena them. I ran for cover.

The smell just cleaning them was unbearable. Not to mention what came out of them. It was gross. It really brought home what I was about to eat.

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Originally posted by ac9311:
That's because a possum is a scavenger. They eat dead decaying animals... it's like the buzzard of the ground


Very true. I think racoon is the same way. I don't fool with dead, decaying food or "squirrel stew". That's a good way to develop encephaly (mad _____ disease) brought on by prions. No way, Jose! td6



While we are at it, throw in the armadillo. People here in Texas and Mexico eat those things.

They are said to carry diseases like leprosy. They contract other diseases very easy, because they have weak immune systems.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
What I find interesting is that it reflects what I've found to be a prevalent mindset about Black folks here in the South that was very different from that of those on the West Coast.

This "stay close to home" way of thinking is geographically narrowed down all the way to the neighborhood level!! To many of these people, a 25-mile commute is almost a "day trip" in their minds! Eek Whether it's to visit relatives or shop or just to see something beyone their self-imposed borders ... outside of a 10-mile radius, is too far to go for anything!

I've driven to several dealerships in and around Houston lately car shopping for the right car and the best deal ... at least 3 salesmen in lots that were maybe 30 miles from my home asked me "What are you doing way out here?" Or, "Wow! You came a long way!" And I'm like Confused It's a 20-25 minute drive, tops!

Growing up in L.A., 'the hood' stretched as far away as Long Beach or the Valley or Pomona ... or wherever the party was! Big Grin If you didn't have a car, a bus would take you anywhere you wanted to go! And we wanted to go wherever the 'happening' was! If it was a new amusement park or skating rink ... the only consideration was getting enough gas money to put in the tank to get there!

But here ... having no inclination to venture out of one's immediate surroundings is a big reason why many of these predominately-Black areas stay blighted and impoverished and keep high unemployment rates and still look like they did back in the 30's and 40's.

Nobody knows anything different. They live, work, play, date, marry all within the same circle for generations. I see it as, perhaps, a lack of imagination or ingenuity or adventuresomeness or whatever. But I don't think it's a good thing. sck I think and wish more of us were willing to expand our horizons.

I'm not quite sure I understand your point here. Blacks should embrace sprawl? You ever here of communities? Traveling and gaining experiences is good. Moving can be good. Communities are good. Embracing suburban sprawl and long commutes is bad. Why would anyone want to shop miles away from home. California is huge, on the East coast you'd also look odd traveling far for services.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
"In the West and North y'all talk about what y'all do. In the South we talk about what we got."


This is interesting and true. I'm a native southerner. Our standard of living in the south is superior. What we "got" that y'all "don't got" is SPACE and lots of it. It's hard to give that up.

I'm trying for the best of both worlds. I'm going after the position (and salary) I want... but in Atlanta, which is as decently active as any East Coast city but cheap to live in. Any money I save by making a choice to remain in the south simply goes toward international travel.

Plus we know how to cook good "down heah". Big Grin


This is very false. Atlanta is no where near as culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston or D.C to compare it to a smaller city.
It is comparable to Philly.
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Atlanta, which is as decently active as any East Coast city but cheap to live in. Any money I save by making a choice to remain in the south simply goes toward international travel.


This is very false. Atlanta is no where near as culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston or D.C to compare it to a smaller city.
It is comparable to Philly.


For me, it is as decently active as these cities, which for most of what I do socially, suits me fine. It is admittedly a subjective observation.
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
"In the West and North y'all talk about what y'all do. In the South we talk about what we got."


This is interesting and true. I'm a native southerner. Our standard of living in the south is superior. What we "got" that y'all "don't got" is SPACE and lots of it. It's hard to give that up.


Precicely why I'm living 'down here' now...


Amen to that!! tfro

I am a native southerner, but I will take the "what you can do" over the "what you have" almost any day of the week. I love the time I have spent in places like San Francisco, Ann Arbor, Boston, and New York. I don't want or need a big house or a car. I hate having to drive everywhere, as opposed to walking or having access to good mass transit as in the Northeast. And while there is a great deal of cultural diversity in a place like Houston, it takes some effort to access it all. When I lived in Manhattan, there was Thai, Ethiopian, Indian, and Greek restaurants with in a few block radius. There were great bookstores, museums, real coffee shops, etc.


I always conmsider the South but the South doesn't seem to execute Urban living well. I can imagine having to live in some subdivision, driving an hour to work and having nothing but strip malls and chain restaurants around. Lets not mention the terrible architecture down there. Aside from Charleston and Savannah you seem to have bland homes. Still the Souths siren call is loud but I doubt I'll make the move.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Atlanta, which is as decently active as any East Coast city but cheap to live in. Any money I save by making a choice to remain in the south simply goes toward international travel.


This is very false. Atlanta is no where near as culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston or D.C to compare it to a smaller city.
It is comparable to Philly.


For me, it is as decently active as these cities, which for most of what I do socially, suits me fine. It is admittedly a subjective observation.


That's illogical it can't be culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston. THe amount of wealth in NYC even after this crash is far greater than anywhere, no southern cities or other American is economically comparable. Which is why NYC is considered a World City along with London, and Paris.London is the only other city in the world that can be compared to NYC on an economic level.
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Atlanta, which is as decently active as any East Coast city but cheap to live in. Any money I save by making a choice to remain in the south simply goes toward international travel.


This is very false. Atlanta is no where near as culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston or D.C to compare it to a smaller city.
It is comparable to Philly.


For me, it is as decently active as these cities, which for most of what I do socially, suits me fine. It is admittedly a subjective observation.


That's illogical it can't be culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston. THe amount of wealth in NYC even after this crash is far greater than anywhere, no southern cities or other American is economically comparable. Which is why NYC is considered a World City along with London, and Paris.London is the only other city in the world that can be compared to NYC on an economic level.


Not to butt in but . . . I guess it really depends on your definitions and what you're looking for. As someone who grew up in Boston and lived in NY, I can say without reservation that where I live now - Atlanta - is a better place for me in every way. And, of course, that includes culturally and economically. Respectfully, whether someplace is considered a "world city" or not doesn't really mean a whole lot. I've been to Tokyo. I can't see how it wouldn't be a "world city". I have absolutely no interest in living there however.

ATL is just fine thanks! 15
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
"In the West and North y'all talk about what y'all do. In the South we talk about what we got."


This is interesting and true. I'm a native southerner. Our standard of living in the south is superior. What we "got" that y'all "don't got" is SPACE and lots of it. It's hard to give that up.


Precicely why I'm living 'down here' now...


Amen to that!! tfro

I am a native southerner, but I will take the "what you can do" over the "what you have" almost any day of the week. I love the time I have spent in places like San Francisco, Ann Arbor, Boston, and New York. I don't want or need a big house or a car. I hate having to drive everywhere, as opposed to walking or having access to good mass transit as in the Northeast. And while there is a great deal of cultural diversity in a place like Houston, it takes some effort to access it all. When I lived in Manhattan, there was Thai, Ethiopian, Indian, and Greek restaurants with in a few block radius. There were great bookstores, museums, real coffee shops, etc.


I always conmsider the South but the South doesn't seem to execute Urban living well. I can imagine having to live in some subdivision, driving an hour to work and having nothing but strip malls and chain restaurants around. Lets not mention the terrible architecture down there. Aside from Charleston and Savannah you seem to have bland homes. Still the Souths siren call is loud but I doubt I'll make the move.



I'm a southerner and i've moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Can you please explain for me the appeal of staring at blocks of wall to wall concrete on a daily basis?
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

I'm a southerner and i've moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Can you please explain for me the appeal of staring at blocks of wall to wall concrete on a daily basis?



No commuting. And with a well designed urban space the public transportation is pretty good. Even the "haves" use it. Things are close by.

I know that NYC is anomalous ... but you literally don't have to own a car to survive in NYC (unlike most other places in the country - especially the south). Despite what people say, I think New Yorkers are some of the friendliest people to know. True. They don't smile in the face of strangers like southerners ... but then they're very direct (which I appreciate), are accustomed (unlike most southerners) to dealing with difference on a daily basis (and are not as threatened by it), and they don't hold you at arms length and talk behind your back until you join the right club, church, or organization. Being smart and a bit eccentric is a plus there. Lastly there is a mind boggling amount of cultural diversity and social happenings.
When you think about peak-oil impact upon metropolitan areas, the non landlocked areas whose population came mostly after superhighways will have to abandon their model of growth. Such urban patterns are only made viable from cheap supplies of hydro carbons. At 5 dollars a gallon, many of these sprawled out metropolitan areas become very expensive to live and do business. The model for the future is actually the model of the past that existed before automobile saturation and superhighways. That model is high density, 10,000 people per square mile and above, street cars, mass transit and the like. Think Europe.

The Northeast has the best positioned metropolitan areas for the future given that the majority of their population was built up before WWII. Those areas are designed to be high density. Also, I suspect or hypothesize that the urban pattern of the poor being suburban and the middle class being urban in Europe is what this nations urban areas will evolve towards. In the North, the majority of black folks live in the core principle cities of metropolitan areas, but in the South, the majority of black folks are suburban and rural. Thus, if my hypothesis is correct, and it becomes hyper expensive to live in the suburbs and exurbs, blacks in the South are going to be hit harder than blacks in the North because of higher rates of urbanization for blacks up North relative to the South.

All the things and areas that evolved as a result of cheap oil are going to become untenable in the future.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

I'm a southerner and i've moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Can you please explain for me the appeal of staring at blocks of wall to wall concrete on a daily basis?



No commuting. And with a well designed urban space the public transportation is pretty good. Even the "haves" use it. Things are close by.

I know that NYC is anomalous ... but you literally don't have to own a car to survive in NYC (unlike most other places in the country - especially the south). Despite what people say, I think New Yorkers are some of the friendliest people to know. True. They don't smile in the face of strangers like southerners ... but then they're very direct (which I appreciate), are accustomed (unlike most southerners) to dealing with difference on a daily basis (and are not as threatened by it), and they don't hold you at arms length and talk behind your back until you join the right club, church, or organization. Being smart and a bit eccentric is a plus there. Lastly there is a mind boggling amount of cultural diversity and social happenings.


Even apart from the above ... NYC is not simply wall to wall concrete. If you tour Manhattan for example, you'll find that you can sometimes go 5 blocks and the look and feel of your surroundings will be totally different in character.

In the south, an old building means either a run down shack ... or a stately mansion which your great great grandmammy lived behind.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

I'm a southerner and i've moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Can you please explain for me the appeal of staring at blocks of wall to wall concrete on a daily basis?



No commuting. And with a well designed urban space the public transportation is pretty good. Even the "haves" use it. Things are close by.

I know that NYC is anomalous ... but you literally don't have to own a car to survive in NYC (unlike most other places in the country - especially the south). Despite what people say, I think New Yorkers are some of the friendliest people to know. True. They don't smile in the face of strangers like southerners ... but then they're very direct (which I appreciate), are accustomed (unlike most southerners) to dealing with difference on a daily basis (and are not as threatened by it), and they don't hold you at arms length and talk behind your back until you join the right club, church, or organization. Being smart and a bit eccentric is a plus there. Lastly there is a mind boggling amount of cultural diversity and social happenings.


Even apart from the above ... NYC is not simply wall to wall concrete. If you tour Manhattan for example, you'll find that you can sometimes go 5 blocks and the look and feel of your surroundings will be totally different in character.

In the south, an old building means either a run down shack ... or a stately mansion which your great great grandmammy lived behind.


But why would i want to be bunched up amongst throngs of people who don't know what a cow looks like?
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Atlanta, which is as decently active as any East Coast city but cheap to live in. Any money I save by making a choice to remain in the south simply goes toward international travel.


This is very false. Atlanta is no where near as culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston or D.C to compare it to a smaller city.
It is comparable to Philly.


For me, it is as decently active as these cities, which for most of what I do socially, suits me fine. It is admittedly a subjective observation.


That's illogical it can't be culturally or economically active as NYC or Boston. THe amount of wealth in NYC even after this crash is far greater than anywhere, no southern cities or other American is economically comparable. Which is why NYC is considered a World City along with London, and Paris.London is the only other city in the world that can be compared to NYC on an economic level.


Not to butt in but . . . I guess it really depends on your definitions and what you're looking for. As someone who grew up in Boston and lived in NY, I can say without reservation that where I live now - Atlanta - is a better place for me in every way. And, of course, that includes culturally and economically. Respectfully, whether someplace is considered a "world city" or not doesn't really mean a whole lot. I've been to Tokyo. I can't see how it wouldn't be a "world city". I have absolutely no interest in living there however.

ATL is just fine thanks! 15


You must live in some really limited bubble. Culturally ATL are not only dissimilar they are incomparable. It is a world city because it economic and cultural strength. I can believe someone has to point to someone that NYC an ATL are not economically comparable.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
"In the West and North y'all talk about what y'all do. In the South we talk about what we got."


This is interesting and true. I'm a native southerner. Our standard of living in the south is superior. What we "got" that y'all "don't got" is SPACE and lots of it. It's hard to give that up.


Precicely why I'm living 'down here' now...


Amen to that!! tfro

I am a native southerner, but I will take the "what you can do" over the "what you have" almost any day of the week. I love the time I have spent in places like San Francisco, Ann Arbor, Boston, and New York. I don't want or need a big house or a car. I hate having to drive everywhere, as opposed to walking or having access to good mass transit as in the Northeast. And while there is a great deal of cultural diversity in a place like Houston, it takes some effort to access it all. When I lived in Manhattan, there was Thai, Ethiopian, Indian, and Greek restaurants with in a few block radius. There were great bookstores, museums, real coffee shops, etc.


I always conmsider the South but the South doesn't seem to execute Urban living well. I can imagine having to live in some subdivision, driving an hour to work and having nothing but strip malls and chain restaurants around. Lets not mention the terrible architecture down there. Aside from Charleston and Savannah you seem to have bland homes. Still the Souths siren call is loud but I doubt I'll make the move.



I'm a southerner and i've moved from Mississippi to Georgia. Can you please explain for me the appeal of staring at blocks of wall to wall concrete on a daily basis?


I guess you do not appreciate good architecture. That is generally what you see in Manhattan and do not see in the South.
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I guess you do not appreciate good architecture. That is generally what you see in Manhattan and do not see in the South.


Uhhh... maybe YOU need to pick up a copy of Southern Living Magazine... or visit Savannah, Augusta (either SC or GA), Mobile, New Orleans or some of the old plantation homes in ATL and Birmingham.

The architecture is stunning.
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If you tour Manhattan for example, you'll find that you can sometimes go 5 blocks and the look and feel of your surroundings will be totally different in character.


Agreed. My family lives on the upper West Side and I LOVE the neighborhood and the locals. Flatbush in Brooklyn (Jamaican Flatbush) can't be beat. Mmm Hmmm chicken patty, here I come! eyes

(headed to NYC in a few weeks...)
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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
I guess you do not appreciate good architecture. That is generally what you see in Manhattan and do not see in the South.


Uhhh... maybe YOU need to pick up a copy of Southern Living Magazine... or visit Savannah, Augusta (either SC or GA), Mobile, New Orleans or some of the old plantation homes in ATL and Birmingham.

The architecture is stunning.


thanks

the south is full of Spanish Mission, French, and Ante-bellum with Greek architectural influences. Unless of course the only kind that counts is of the glass and steel variety...
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But why would i want to be bunched up amongst throngs of people who don't know what a cow looks like?


laugh

The only cow I care to look at is a dry aged porterhouse cooked about medium rare, and there are some of the best steakhouses in the world in NYC where I can get it.

Not only will my "cow" look better than yours, it will smell a whole lot better as well. Cool
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
But why would i want to be bunched up amongst throngs of people who don't know what a cow looks like?


laugh

The only cow I care to look at is a dry aged porterhouse cooked about medium rare Cool

+100 Peter Luger
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
But why would i want to be bunched up amongst throngs of people who don't know what a cow looks like?


laugh

The only cow I care to look at is a dry aged porterhouse cooked about medium rare, and there are some of the best steakhouses in the world in NYC where I can get it.

Not only will my "cow" look better than yours, it will smell a whole lot better as well. Cool



lol ok, that was kinda funny.

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