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Originally posted by little minx:
YEAH RIGHT!!! black men never put black women down. you went as far as to use the word NEVER??? after i finished laughing at that one, i decided to write back and let you know that this is a complete distortion.
**I guess you missed my point. I'm talking about general statements among strangers, not people that know each other and know each other well....like the women in that Hair Salon, featured in that article. Are those Black women close friends that met the dude discussed and agreed that that man that left the lady because she bought her own home, or is that just a general statement to down Black men, hmm??***
you make it out to seem as if black men have halos and black women are evil she things trying to bring them down.***I never said that***
i believe you are the one with the one sided view,. . .brother. black men put black women down on the regular.**Where do Black men gather and speak generally negative things in general about Black women, like Black Women gather at a hair and nail salon?? where???***
how many songs feature the word bitch and ho? but black women don't complain about the way black artists portray them. ***I don't support "ghetto rap crap" music, never have, never will defend it, but however I'll add this "gem" to this discussion, Rap Group Public Enemy, a progressive positive rap group had their last album rejected by their record company, because it was deemed "too preachy, and positive" In essence, their rap career is over because they refuse to rap about "hoes and bytches". Are you up in arms about this?>? Have you also written letter to the Record company telling them how much we all need positive artists? Probably not. This is a capitalistic economy, based off of selling goods that hte people want. Are you tell me that it's the recording artist job to educate people not to want crap like Ja-Rule's "Down azz bytch"?? How could he, it's the number one song right now?? Maybe he can diss his own song in the next EBONY magazine or begging people to stop buying it. ***
black women seem to jam to the same tunes, as if we have completely given up on the issue. **That's their own mental problem,ie ignorant people in general, would Blacks jam to pro-slavery songs?? or songs that degrade black down to an ignorant field slave?? maybe if the beat was banging, they might.
how often are women portrayed as nothing but sexual objects in music video?**How are Black women in these videos?? should they have enuff sense NOT to do this type of junk crap and dance like strippers on top of that?? If these Black women look at this as a "JOB" then it's their own fault, be mental, spiritual, whatever...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!***
as i said in an earlier post, GOD forbid black women put out a song like "no scrubs" that tells black women not to accept just anything. the brothers had to have a come back song! remember no pidgeons?
***Nice try, No pigeons was a comedy was "rebuttal", the Sporty Thieves. It was made to be humorous, examine their lyrics...
"In the front of the club I see this girl like, "Yo love"
Thought she said thug but she called me a scrub
Scrub? What? She musta talk me a joke
Broke Pigeonhead freak, you lucky I spoke
This ain't my Benz there, it's my man's, yeah
But this ain't my car like that ain't your hair
(Uh-Oh) Pigeon, take them fake jewels off
(Uh-oh) Pigeon, take your friend's shoes off"
I thought these lyrics were comical, not a point of reference for a serious discussion.. Oh well, I digress.***
and god forbid a film that is made to uplift black women or document their causes is released. black men got mad at waiting to exhale, and at the color purple.
***Waiting to Exhale, a short review,
What's worse than having no Good men in your life?? (the character Lela Rochasan portrayed) I guess having No man at all (the characther played by Whitney Houston). What's worse than having your long time husband live you for another man?? [The character played by Loretta Devine)...I guess having your husband live you for a white woman. THE END - I actually like the color purple, i had to read it in school when the movie cam out and use the movie for my cliff notes...SHHH!!!**
but when women are negatively protrayed on the big screen, where's the fuss? it always burns me up to see the double standard alive and well in pictures like "the best man" where it wasn't emphasized that the chestnut character should maybe forgive his fiance's one infidelity because he's cheated on her numberous times over the past. that wasn't important.
have you noticed a double standard in our relationships with black men? ofcourse not
***Now you are thinking for me?? I feel the say way you do, but let's talk about Star Wars, can you believe in the future we will be able to fly in space like they do in that movie and be able to fight over numerous enemy attacks with a small group of well trained soldiers?? Wow, now that's something. "The Best man" is just as fictional as "Star wars", so since this argument is about "REAL LIFE", let's leave the "Fictional" storyline examples out. Thanks
, you're on the beneficial end of it.**Of what, a fictional storyline?? Oh ok, thanks for pointing that out***
how many women are left with a babydaddy instead of a husband or boyfriend? **All baby mommies chose that life, except for the women that were raped and molested. You see, many women still use pregnancy to "trap" a man to marry them, when the man PUNTS the woman is left behind. Babymommas drama is a choice, and a bad one at that!!!
this is in epidemic proportions. **Stupidity related to babymomma drama is also at the epidemic level, let's focus on that!!!***
You actually think this is all the woman's fault? if i had a penny for every time i heard a black man call a woman a name, or say negative things about women, i'd be rich. **If I had half a penny for every times [IN BALTIMORE CITY], I heard some baby momma bytch and complain about THE BLACK MEN THEY CHOSE TO HAVE SEX WITH and GET PREGNANT BY...I'D BE RICHER THAN you would be with your previous statement...and that's just BALTIMORE CITY!!!!***
maybe all those years in the beauty parlor screwed up your perception of things, cuz black men can be quite insulting.
as you have demonstrated quite nicely. ***Now, i'm screwed up for being around and listening to Black women, please..DO TELL!!!**
please don't tell me that black men are on the whole so good at taking responsibility for things. if it's not the white man's fault, it's the black woman's fault. **I'm not blaming the White man for nothing, leave him out of this, the Black woman makes many decisions in her life, MANY. If those decisions she made "blows up in her face", then it's her fault, not the man she choice, or the drama she brought on herself...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! **
you yourself seem to feel that black women are to blame for the topic at hand. *PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY!!!*
do you mean to imply that all that the women here are saying is a lie? *Nope, not all just a poor representation of the facts...PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY to control their own lives!!!*
black men aren't at all to blame?**Not in matters that were initially based off of the woman's decision in the first place. Please read about kemba Smith and her life trials. It's a good story about how people can be caught up in a bad decision and how one's life changes because of this***
if that's your point, then who's not taking responsibility? you sound like white people who say that black folks are to blame for their own problems. **I'm not a white people supporter, i.e. uncle tom or uncle clareance thomas, i'm just a person that like to look at the cause of problems and focus on solutions, for my ten reason lists, I just pointed out things that didn't make sense to me, like the 37 young old woman talking about not wanting to be 80 and alone, fine...but are you just working towards your goal at age 37?? she already halfway there, why did nt she do something sooner?? I feel that that article exposed alot of regret in those ladies interviewed. Yet, the regrett wasn't accepted it was passed on to the black man...in the tone of "they are 'scared' of a Strong Black woman, that's a cool point...if they could prove it. AND THEY CAN'T!!! **
i bet you'd get real upset if a white person said that to you, even if you won't admit that in response to this post. nice try, but no dice buddy
**Not true, White people don't bother me, I don't have any close relationships with whites, other than people I work with, I have respect for them, but if they don't respect me, then I won't respect that individual.
"Only the extremely ignorant or the extremely intelligent can resist change."
-- Socrates (470?-399 BC),
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) story reguarding cultural differences. I'll have to think about the other questions, but, as it happens, I happen to have this story ready to cut and paste. 
"American" is used, but is not really correct. In Spanish, it is "estadounidense", but I've never heard it in Colombia, only "americano" or "gringo". 
