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Is this what this generation's music has been reduced to? Pathetic.

I'm In Love With A Stripper
By T PAIN

[Intro]

Goddamn Lil Mama
U know u thick as hell u know what im sayin
Matter fact
After the club u know what im talkin bout
Me and my niggas gone be together u know what im sayin
I aint gon worry bout them really though
Im just lookin at u
Yea u know
U got them big ass hips god damn!

[Verse 1]

Got the body of a goddess
Got eyes with a peak of brown eyes see you girl
Droppin Low
She Comin Down from the ceiling
To tha floo
Yea She Know what she doin
Yea yea yea
She doin that right thang
Yea yea yea yea ea
I Need to get her over to my crib and do that night thang
Cause I'm N Luv wit a stripper

[Chorus x2]

She poppin she rollin she rollin
She climbin that pole and
Im N Luv with a stripper
She trippin she playin she playin
Im not goin nowhere girl im stayin
Im N Luv with a stripper

[Verse 2]

Out of all the girls she be the hottest
Like n the way she break it down i see u girl
Spinnin wide
And She lookin at me
Right in my eyes
Yea She got my attention
yea yea yea
Enough to get me to mention
I Need to get her over to my crib and do that night thang
Cause Im N Luv Wit a Stripper

[Chorus x2]

[Verse 3]

She can pop it she can lock it
Take the pinderas down im bout to see this sexy girl
In My bed
She don't know what she is doin
To my head
Yea She turnin tricks on me
Yea Yea Yea
She dont even know me
Yea yea yea ea
I'd have got her over to my crib to do that night thing
Cause I'm N Luv Wit a Stripper

[Chorus x4]


T PAIN
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I have to protest! the above may be crap but...

please, please, please! I shudder when I hear people say 'this generations' music/attitude/fill in the blank is soooooooo substandard.

Sure it is. But some of it is really awesome too. Not going to get into a quibble/debate about who is better than who... but there is some conscious, sassy, smart, intelligent creative expression being produced and created by the 'yoof' of today.

Yes misogyny - for both sexes is on the skyrocket rise and that's a shame - but there is hope too. It's probably hidden though.

Seek and you may find it. Some youth does possess a lot of wisdom.
I reject the 'my generation was better' thing... there are always commercial dipsticks and conscious individuals.... always.
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Yes I notice how I am starting sound more and more like my parents about the music today Black Viking. I am 32 and feel little old sometimes when I hear some of the music being played on the radio. I barely even listen to the radio. I know it has been months since I turned the radio on. I have not heard of this song. The lyrics are ridiculous!
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Originally posted by TruEssence:
Yes I notice how I am starting sound more and more like my parents about the music today Black Viking. I am 32 and feel little old sometimes when I hear some of the music being played on the radio. I barely even listen to the radio. I know it has been months since I turned the radio on. I have not heard of this song. The lyrics are ridiculous!


I basically don't listen to the radio at all... I get my music on via CD..... And I don't watch television... So I have to make an effort to hear this music... An effort which I'm less and less willing to make as I get older..
Personally, I would think that's one of the better "songs" out on the market if that's the extent of the lyrics! Eek

After all, he didn't call her a bitch or a ho or graphically describe the specific body parts that would be involved with his night "experience" with her. You can definitely tell right off the bat that it's not a Snoop song! Big Grin

If that was the worst that I had to hear when I listen to "this generation's" music ... I think I'd actually be relieved. sck
How do you sit down and write a song like that? Better yet, WHY do you sit down and write a song like that?

Poppin rollin yea yea yea blee blee blah

Is that even English?? Sounds like something Beyawnce would write. Roll Eyes One has to chuckle at the image of this simpleton writing a love song while being relieved of all his cash. That's just bidness, playa. bsm

In any event, I agree with EbonyRose. This is tame compared to such classics as "What That Thang Smell Like" "I Aint Got No Panties On" etc.
It feels like some of you guys are prejudging the whole generation of music based off this one song. I agree, strongly, that this a stupid song, but I get why it was written. It's nothing but pure entertainment. I take it as something to make you laugh, this type of music is not suppose to make you think. Your suppose to laugh at it and then get the song stuck in your head and start humming it. Or at the very least your not suppose to analyze this song, just find the funny in it. I think ebonyrose said that at least he's not calling her a bitch or a ho, and I agree. T-Pain could have said a lot of other things.
I'm just tired of calling the constant objectification of women entertainment.

Perhaps I'm getting fogy, but quite frankly, I'm no longer entertained.

I don't mind that such music exists, but I wish there were more of a balance out there.

I'm ready to be serenaded and revered. Not as a bitch, but as a woman.

What happened to that whole I want a Black queen thing that was popular when I was coming up?

How about that? We went from queens to hos in a decade.
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Originally posted by ma'am:
I'm just tired of calling the constant objectification of women entertainment.

Perhaps I'm getting fogy, but quite frankly, I'm no longer entertained.

I don't mind that such music exists, but I wish there were more of a balance out there.

I'm ready to be serenaded and revered. Not as a bitch, but as a woman.

What happened to that whole I want a Black queen thing that was popular when I was coming up?


How about that? We went from queens to hos in a decade.


Co-signing....

Peace,
Virtue
T-Pain Lyrics

I'm N Luv (Wit A Stripper) Lyrics


(feat. Mike Jones)

[Intro]


[Verse 1]

Got the body of a goddess
Got the body of a goddess



[Verse 2 (T-Pain)]
Out of all the girls she be the hottest
Like n the way she break it down I see u girl
Spinnin wide
And She lookin at me
Right in my eyes
Yea She got my attention
Yea yea yea
Did I forget to mention
I Need to get her over to my crib and do that night thang
Cause I'm N Luv Wit a Stripper

[Verse 3 (Mike Jones)]
She's every man's dream
[Chorus x2]

[Verse 4]

She dont even know me
[Chorus x4]

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Figured if we're going to talk about a song, we'd probably need to point a few key lyrics...

Rumor is, he married said stripper...


Being a stripper isn't neccessarily a respectable occupation. But they're are respectable women that happen to be strippers.


I think another key word I forgot is
MESMERIZED

It's the trance that these women are able to put men in that makes them the envy of all women...

These women are usually in fairly decent shape, and take pretty good care of themselves (sometimes it's just genetics).

Women that don't stay in shape and take care of their bodies, have no room to speak against strippers.
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I'm just tired of calling the constant objectification of women entertainment.

Perhaps I'm getting fogy, but quite frankly, I'm no longer entertained.

I don't mind that such music exists, but I wish there were more of a balance out there.

I'm ready to be serenaded and revered. Not as a bitch, but as a woman.

What happened to that whole I want a Black queen thing that was popular when I was coming up?

How about that? We went from queens to hos in a decade.


It stopped selling...

The purse & wallet will always decide what is presented as popular entertainment. Buy more Maxwell, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, etc.


Music always has generation gaps - face it - We are all getting old & crotchety - just like our parents! laugh
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Originally posted by ddouble:
Music always has generation gaps - face it - We are all getting old & crotchety - just like our parents! laugh
This may be true.....

Well....

I celebrate being old....

because if being young means I have to reinterpret myself from goddess to ho.....

well....

I'll take old and crotchety any day...


no offense to you ddouble... Smile This statement is simply a pet peeve of mine.....


K?


Peace,
Virtue
No offense taken hat I don't think of old & crotchety as a bad thing - just being playful. Big Grin

I edited my earlier post because I was going to include one "sticky" point - but since you alluded to it:

Why does the music define you? What happened to the intelligence to differentiate between entertainment & reality? If we have lost the ability to perform this task, should we not ban all works of fiction, be they music, written, or visual?

If the kiddies are the main concern, proper parenting/mentoring is the answer IMO. No song or movie has ever (at any point in my life) made me behave in a certain manner. The song is fluff, but no one is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them listen to it (or ones like it).
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Originally posted by ddouble:
No offense taken hat I don't think of old & crotchety as a bad thing - just being playful. Big Grin

I edited my earlier post because I was going to include one "sticky" point - but since you alluded to it:

Why does the music define you? What happened to the intelligence to differentiate between entertainment & reality? If we have lost the ability to perform this task, should we not ban all works of fiction, be they music, written, or visual?

If the kiddies are the main concern, proper parenting/mentoring is the answer IMO. No song or movie has ever (at any point in my life) made me behave in a certain manner. The song is fluff, but no one is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them listen to it (or ones like it).

Everyone has free will....

Yes....

Or do they?......

How much is influence and how influential a stage is one in their life.....

what is the ratio of free will and influence....

to a person that is very subjective.....

however....

the question is one of standards.....

and timing.....

if my standards are such that I abhor the degradation of women....

I have the will to turn off the t.v.

but.....

if I am in a relatively small environment and hear it daily....

perhaps I may allow myself to be ostracized ......
perhaps I may allow myself to be irritated to the point of leaving.....

irritated to the point of physically removing the offensive sounds....

irritated to the point of internalizing it into something unhealthy.....

giving in to it and allowing it to become a part of my entertainment....

standing up to it firmly in the hopes that others willl affect a change as well....

all options....

I'm sure there are more I've over looked....

the point is that we are all diverse.... in our standards, psychological tolerances, will and strength.....

but it boils down to ....... what are you willing to accept as images and entertainment flooding your way?

Some may say that degradation of women.... particularly Black women is intolerable...

others may say.... eh? it's just entertainment....

Peace,
Virtue
I understand every sentiment that has been expressed in this thread. Ultimately, everyone has to make a choice regarding how they process the stimuli in their environment. It is a willful, deliberate act, IMO - the responsibility of one's choice lies with the individual. Entertainment does not have to be entertaining to me, nor do I have to consume it.

The danger to me is also one of "standards":

Who gets to set the standards? What happens to those "outside" the standards & the standard-bearing group? See, we don't disagree.

If we are striving for Ma'at, there are a few, more pressing issues to bring in line before this song...
Wink
The music stopped selling because we stopped hearing it. Records companies are shelling out BIG BUCKS to determine what you hear on the radio. You'll hear this song 45 times before you'll hear Jill Scott once. We are basically listening to Clear Channel's personal, payola-enhanced playlist every time we turn on the radio, no matter what programming format it is. Add to that people who apparently buy records because they like to hum to the background music or not take lyrics "too seriously" or whatever and you have the situation we are currently in. It's like they're hypnotized, supporting whatever it is they are exposed to the most and told is "HOT." They do the same thing when they pick which movies to see, who the "best-looking" celebs are, anything and everything. And the large corporations are more than happy to step in and tell them exactly what it is "they like" so nobody has to be bothered with all that "thinking." sck
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The music stopped selling because we stopped hearing it. Records companies are shelling out BIG BUCKS to determine what you hear on the radio. You'll hear this song 45 times before you'll hear Jill Scott once. We are basically listening to Clear Channel's personal, payola-enhanced playlist every time we turn on the radio, no matter what programming format it is. Add to that people who apparently buy records because they like to hum to the background music or not take lyrics "too seriously" or whatever and you have the situation we are currently in. It's like they're hypnotized, supporting whatever it is they are exposed to the most and told is "HOT." They do the same thing when they pick which movies to see, who the "best-looking" celebs are, anything and everything. And the large corporations are more than happy to step in and tell them exactly what it is "they like" so nobody has to be bothered with all that "thinking." sck



yeah
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Frenchy:

This is tame compared to such classics as "What That Thang Smell Like" "I Aint Got No Panties On" etc.


ek


If you're a nightowl like I am, you can hear these songs (and see the videos) on BET Uncut. A lot of this stuff is independent, regional music - Everybody thinks they're going to be the next 50 Cent. Roll Eyes

I think I'm not as bothered by it as other people because I've never been a fan of radio. Consequently, I'm not bombarded by payola programming. I usually have a CD or MiniDisk everywhere I go... music
My radio-listening time is confined to the 10 minutes it takes me to get to and from work and it's always NPR/Classical music. BUT, if we're going to talk about what's popular, we have to look at the impact of payola.

BET UnCut has made some people millionaires. Because they don't have to give a chunk of profits to large record labels, one (in)famous song can put a whole lotta change in their pocket. sck

Even beyond the UnCut crowd, there's always been a place for nonsense on the radio. Anybody remember Hammer's ummm "hammer" in that "Pumps and A Bump" video? 2 Live Crew/Luther Campbell? The "problem" is that these kinds of songs are 95% of what's being pushed.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
My radio-listening time is confined to the 10 minutes it takes me to get to and from work and it's always NPR/Classical music. BUT, if we're going to talk about what's popular, we have to look at the impact of payola.


I need to make a correction. T-Pain is the name of the person who sings the song "I'm In Love With A Stripper." I first heard this song while CD shopping at Best Buy. After about two minutes of shopping, a young guy, who was an employee, went over to the department's listening station to put this song on full blast. Immediately people shopping for CDs jumped up, as a I did, wanting to know from where the loud noise was coming. I could not believe this boy was able to play THIS song as loudly as he did without the manager ever saying a word. The lyrics were incredibly offensive, and I thought his song choice was inappropriate for playing in a place of business.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
Figured if we're going to talk about a song, we'd probably need to point a few key lyrics...
Being a stripper isn't neccessarily a respectable occupation. But they're are respectable women that happen to be strippers.
It's the trance that these women are able to put men in that makes them the envy of all women...These women are usually in fairly decent shape, and take pretty good care of themselves (sometimes it's just genetics). Women that don't stay in shape and take care of their bodies, have no room to speak against strippers.


I have so many issues to take up with your statements that I don't know where to begin! First, Brother Heru, one shouldn't zero in on a few "eloquently-stated" lines in this song and forget that Brother "T-Pain" is still adulating a stripper. In no other race of people would find men publicly announcing their adoration for "strippers," as if this is something to be proud of, except ours, and it's disgraceful. Of all the accomplished Black women that this brother could be honoring, he decides to honor a stripper. This is proof of where we are as a people. When are we going to learn that because of our situation in this country, everything that we do and say in the media, particularly if the media is broadcasted worldwide, is going to be received as a representation of our entire race? Right now, this comes across as a joke. And it's very difficult to take a person (or group) seriously when they are representing themselves in these explicit and abhorrent ways.

Secondly, I wouldn't refer to rap videos for examples of what strippers generally look like. Often times, the women that you see casted in rap videos, particularly the women that are the most attractive and fit, are professional models and actors. Most strippers don't look ANYTHING like the women being featured in costly rap videos. Most strippers are busted, overweight, unattractive, have tiddy-sag and stretch marks, and many of them DO NOT take care of themesleves for the simple fact that they are in this profession in the first place. Others work as prostitutes and escorts during late night hours. More importantly, it's not a woman's appearance or shape that makes her worthy of being envied, but her dignity and self-respect. Women with self-respect should be highly honored in our community, not women who "look good" while exploiting and selling themselves out for money.
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Originally posted by ddouble:
The danger to me is also one of "standards":

Who gets to set the standards? What happens to those "outside" the standards & the standard-bearing group? See, we don't disagree.

If we are striving for Ma'at, there are a few, more pressing issues to bring in line before this song.


I totally agree. I'm not at all implying that Black people, or Black men in particular, are the only group of men who enjoys seeing nude women or patronizing strip clubs. Black people are also not the only group in America committing violence, using, and/or selling narcotics, but seemingly, we ARE the only group who likes to broadcast our "sins" to the world, almost to point of showing off. We don't seem to have any shame or embarressment about anything.

Everyone knows that White people use illegal drugs and they are probably the country's largest consumers of illegal drugs (and alcohol), but you don't see them singing songs about how much of a dope phene they are. You don't see them singing songs about how much "crack" they sell on a daily basis. They don't do this kind of stuff because they understand the power and importance of cultural representation.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
But seemingly, we are the only group who likes to publicly announce our "sins" to the world, almost to point of showing off. Everyone knows that White people use illegal drugs and they are probably the country's largest consumers of illegal drugs (and alcohol), but you don't see them making songs about how much of a dope phene they are. You don't see them making songs about how much "crack" they sold on a daily basis. They don't do this kind of stuff because they understand the importance of cultural representation.


Rowe, I think you're way off in left field on this one.... You ever hear Eric Clapton's song "Cocaine"? There are tons of songs by white musicians about drugs and strippers...
Cocaine
Eric Clapton

If you wanna hang out
You've gotta take her out
Cocaine
If you wanna get down
Get down on the ground
Cocaine

She's alright,
She's alright,
She's alright,
COCAINE

If you got that lose
You wanna kick them blues
Cocaine
When your day is done
And you wanna ride on
Cocaine

She's alright,
She's alright,
She's alright,
COCAINE

If your day is gone
And you wanna ride on
Cocaine
Don't forget this fact
You can't get it back
Cocaine

She's alright,
She's alright,
She's alright,
COCAINE

She's alright,
She's alright,
She's alright,
COCAINE
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
Rowe, I think you're way off in left field on this one.... You ever hear Eric Clapton's song "Cocaine"? There are tons of songs by white musicians about drugs and strippers...


This is true; however, such songs are not as common in other communities as they are in ours. I mean, we've had to create an entire new genre, just for those who want to perpetually rap about about violence and drug dealing. This genre is called "Gangster Rap."
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A Passage To Bangkok
Rush

Our first stop is in Bogota
To check Colombian fields
The natives smile and pass along
A sample of their yield
Sweet Jamaican pipe dreams
Golden Acapulco nights
Then Morocco, and the East,
Fly by morning light
We're on the train to Bangkok
Aboard the Thailand Express
We'll hit the stops along the way
We only stop for the best
Wreathed in smoke in Lebanon
We burn the midnight oil
The fragrance of Afghanistan
Rewards a long day's toil
Pulling into Katmandu
Smoke rings fill the air
Perfumed by a Nepal night
The Express gets you there
We're on the train to Bangkok
Aboard the Thailand Express
We'll hit the stops along the way
We only stop for the best
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Originally posted by Rowe:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
We're the only group in the world that cares so much about how they're perceived that we overly obsess over representation even at the expense of cultural productivity.


May I ask what is your understanding of "cultural productivity?"



I think African America is currently suffering from a crisis in cultural creativity across the board... not just in pop music ... and part of the reason is that we get so caught up in properly representing the race, that we're not taking creative risks. We're not pushing the boundaries but are relying instead on established formulas and cliches.

Even the rap music that people get so vexed about is highly formulaic, predictable, and cliche ridden.
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WHITE RABBIT
Jefferson Airplane

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call
Call Alice
When she was just small

When men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head
Feed your head
Feed your head"
Artist/Band: Cash Johnny
Lyrics for Song: Cocaine Blues
Lyrics for Album: At Folsom Prison

Early one mornin' while makin' the rounds
I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my woman down
I went right home and I went to bed
I stuck that lovin' .44 beneath my head

Got up next mornin' and I grabbed that gun
Took a shot of cocaine and away I run
Made a good run but I ran too slow
They overtook me down in Juarez, Mexico

Late in the hot joints takin' the pills
In walked the sheriff from Jericho Hill
He said Willy Lee your name is not Jack Brown
You're the dirty heck that shot your woman down

Said yes, oh yes my name is Willy Lee
If you've got the warrant just a-read it to me
Shot her down because she made me sore
I thought I was her daddy but she had five more

When I was arrested I was dressed in black
They put me on a train and they took me back
Had no friend for to go my bail
They slapped my dried up carcass in that county jail

Early next mornin' bout a half past nine
I spied the sheriff coming down the line
Ah, and he coughed as he cleared his throat
He said come on you dirty heck into that district court

Into the courtroom my trial began
Where I was handled by twelve honest men
Just before the jury started out
I saw the little judge commence to look about

In about five minutes in walked the man
Holding the verdict in his right hand
The verdict read murder in the first degree
I hollered Lawdy Lawdy, have a mercy on me

The judge he smiled as he picked up his pen
99 years in the Folsom pen
99 years underneath that ground
I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down

Come on you've gotta listen unto me
Lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be

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