What do you think about what this minister said? If you are opposed to gay marriage, would you also "ride with the KKK" on this issue?

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Last February, when the debate over gay marriage had reached a particularly ugly juncture, the Rev. Gregory Daniels, a prominent black minister from Chicago, announced from his pulpit: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."


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Originally posted by MBM:
What do you think about what this minister said? If you are opposed to gay marriage, would you also "ride with the KKK" on this issue?

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Last February, when the debate over gay marriage had reached a particularly ugly juncture, the Rev. Gregory Daniels, a prominent black minister from Chicago, announced from his pulpit: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."


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My response to him would be, "Get on the bus then. Be glad if they force you to the back of the bus because the alternative is the Byrd seat [being dragged behind by chains].
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Originally posted by MBM:
What do you think about what this minister said? If you are opposed to gay marriage, would you also "ride with the KKK" on this issue?

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Last February, when the debate over gay marriage had reached a particularly ugly juncture, the Rev. Gregory Daniels, a prominent black minister from Chicago, announced from his pulpit: "If the KKK opposes gay marriage, I would ride with them."


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My response to him would be, "Get on the bus then. Be glad if they force you to the back of the bus because the alternative is the Byrd seat [being dragged behind by chains].


James Byrd seat? That is so wrong! lol

I know that was wrong, but I couldn't help bursting out into laughter when I saw you say "Byrd seat". laugh

That was wrong of me. protest lol
Typical. Lots of people are blinded by hate/homophobia. Remember the one we had here who would post her homophobic "proof" straight from the Klan's website.

When you find yourself agreeing with and quoting the Klan, you need to someone to dropkick you. Hard. Evenso, the tradegy is that people (especially BLACK people, and especially people on the pulpit) are promoting hatred. Effing shame.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
Typical. Lots of people are blinded by hate/homophobia. Remember the one we had here who would post her homophobic "proof" straight from the Klan's website.

When you find yourself agreeing with and quoting the Klan, you need to someone to dropkick you. Hard. Evenso, the tradegy is that people (especially BLACK people, and especially people on the pulpit) are promoting hatred. Effing shame.


Speaking of, where do you think all this Homophobia is coming from in the Black Community?

Do you think it has to do with the Fundamentalist/Evangelical (White)-strain of Christianity that seems to be popular in our community.
The Rev. Gregory Daniels is a baffling idiot.

His statement sounds almost as preverse as the actions of the NAACP who in 1977 defended the KKK in Dayton, OH while irrantly proclaiming that every American deserved a fair chance...

IMHO most of these Rev Chicken Wing, Pastor Pork Chop types make me sick with their twisted rhetoric. They mislead the congregations who cling to their every word while adhering to a flair of un-sense of history. Amazing.
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When you find yourself agreeing with and quoting the Klan, you need to someone to dropkick you. Hard. Evenso, the tradegy is that people (especially BLACK people, and especially people on the pulpit) are promoting hatred. Effing shame.


AMEN! appl

What I would really like is for conservatives to explain is what exactly gays are taking from me if they get married. I have a position on many contravertial issues, but they all have one thing in common. They directly, or at least indirectly, affect me. If this minister is willing to sell his soul to the Klan just to suppress someone that has nothing to do with him, I say why wait for thier approval? Grab a sheet, burn a cross, and get on with it!
You hit it on the head....but the flip side of that is that the pro-marriage types will try to call you out and make you take a position...or interpret your no stance take on the issue as being against....my views are like yours precisely...on all social issues that do not directly affect me....i'm not going to support or stand in the way of it....who am I to determine what the fuck someone else's value system is? I think that reeks of white supremacy.....I really do.
Give me a break, Kevin41. You are the same one who said you would not want any Black gay people marching with you for civil rights. They could "stay at home" according to you. Pick up your sheet on the way out. Roll Eyes
Shut the hell up Frenchy...if I didn't like gays or was against their agenda i'd be proud to tell your azz just that. If you understand the context of my post, you would see that I said that gays tend to take their agenda and confound the issues that are related to people disconnected from them and their issue(s). You are the example of the kind of person i mentioned that when you say you are not against gays, they make you be someone against them anyway. If I say my stance on an issue is a certain way and say it specifically like I did, how are you able to take something I said in the past, give it the context you want it to have and present it as me contradicting myself? You must be one of those handsome azz pushy women......i'm just f-king with ya...i'm not a narrow minded sexist......but trust me...if i'm against something or do not like something, I do not mince words when letting the world know how I REALLY feel about it.......you will not have to clarify it for me....so yes, just because I want the gays to keep their issues amongst themselves does not mean I am trying to stop them from doing anything...i do not care what they do or if they suceed or fail...got it?
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
Speaking of, where do you think all this Homophobia is coming from in the Black Community?

Do you think it has to do with the Fundamentalist/Evangelical (White)-strain of Christianity that seems to be popular in our community.

Perhaps in part, but I think that it is more deeply rooted in the particular experiences of oppression in the African American community,e.g., they hypersexualization of the African in the white mind which fulled the physical and social emasculation of African men, contributed to the rape and abuse of African women. In the wake of this, African Americans have tended to come down hard what they deem as sexual perversions that might perpetuate what they believe to be destructive stereotypes of African American sexuality.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Shut the hell up Frenchy...if I didn't like gays or was against their agenda i'd be proud to tell your azz just that. If you understand the context of my post, you would see that I said that gays tend to take their agenda and confound the issues that are related to people disconnected from them and their issue(s).


Nice try. We were talking about BLACK gay people when I asked you the question and you responded, AND I QUOTE: "let black gays march with the gay rights types......they have more in common than I do with any of them"(Full Text here)

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You are the example of the kind of person i mentioned that when you say you are not against gays, they make you be someone against them anyway. If I say my stance on an issue is a certain way and say it specifically like I did, how are you able to take something I said in the past, give it the context you want it to have and present it as me contradicting myself?


Because you do contradict yourself. You express something and then claim to not feel one way or the other. As the quote above demonstrates, you clearly have formed opinions about gay people, the gay movement, gay BLACK people, etc.
"Shut the hell up Frenchy...if I didn't like gays or was against their agenda i'd be proud to tell your azz just that. If you understand the context of my post, you would see that I said that gays tend to take their agenda and confound the issues that are related to people disconnected from them and their issue(s). You are the example of the kind of person i mentioned that when you say you are not against gays, they make you be someone against them anyway. If I say my stance on an issue is a certain way and say it specifically like I did, how are you able to take something I said in the past, give it the context you want it to have and present it as me contradicting myself? You must be one of those handsome azz pushy women......i'm just f-king with ya...i'm not a narrow minded sexist......but trust me...if i'm against something or do not like something, I do not mince words when letting the world know how I REALLY feel about it.......you will not have to clarify it for me....so yes, just because I want the gays to keep their issues amongst themselves does not mean I am trying to stop them from doing anything...i do not care what they do or if they suceed or fail...got it?" by Kevin41 the notorious professor

....and it has been suggested that I be banned. More likely, let the readers draw their own conclusion as to who truly should be banned.
I think that the Reverend has gone overboard with his sermon, and I hope that the congregation made him very much aware of it. The KKK was and is a vile group of individuals that left a legacy of blood shed, hatred, and destruction, and here is a Pastor that states that he'd ride along with them in order to express the same prejudices that we as a people fought so hard to overcome. It is offensive to think that four little black girls in a church and many others along the way lost their lives to the likes of the KKK, and now a pastor is willing to forget about that in order to justify his disdain toward another group of people. I think his speech was equivalent to saying he's willing to side with the devil.
"I think that the Reverend has gone overboard with his sermon, and I hope that the congregation made him very much aware of it. The KKK was and is a vile group of individuals that left a legacy of blood shed, hatred, and destruction, and here is a Pastor that states that he'd ride along with them in order to express the same prejudices that we as a people fought so hard to overcome. It is offensive to think that four little black girls in a church and many others along the way lost their lives to the likes of the KKK, and now a pastor is willing to forget about that in order to justify his disdain toward another group of people. I think his speech was equivalent to saying he's willing to side with the devil." by Lynn

....but Oh well, condemn Reverend Daniels for his actions, actions that have not harmed a hair on any Black persons head, while no good sleazy Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Henry Lyons, and so many others, receive a free pass to steal from the Black community while the Black community remains in silence!

.....the KKK are least of the average Black man and woman's worries on the street. These individuals did not meet their maker as a result of any KKK activity, but rather the wrong actions of Black Folk....
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Geeesh, did I miss something? I thought the topic was about what one minister's views regarding the KKK and his homophobia???? Where did Jesse Jackson fit in here? off
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Originally posted by LYNN:
Geeesh, did I miss something? I thought the topic was about what one minister's views regarding the KKK and his homophobia???? Where did Jesse Jackson fit in here? off


Lynn, meet Lofton...

lol wel
Well Frenchy,

If you insist...maybe i'll just go out on a crusade against their azzes and then you'll be satisified with your take on my positions with them. Will that satisfy your need to tell me what I really think about gays when I said specifically I really do not give a damn if they suceed or fail and I would not assist or inhibit them? Next time, just don't ask me....do like CF and tell me what I think....and then schit will be the way you see it and not how I said I embraced it.......


and now that you mention it, yes that is right..let the black gays march with the gay types since the right to GAYNESS is their key issue and not mine...i'll stick to education and other programs and approaches that lift people out of poverty and lower socioeconomic classes....i'll let you and the rest worry about who can marry or hop up and down on who....that is not my thing.....I said I have a no stance on the issue but you insist on making me against their agenda....what is wrong, would you like me to be against them in order to satisfy your view on it all? tell me what your goal is....puleeze.......how in the hell can you or that looney azz cat tell me what I mean when I say something, regardless of how the hell you all interpret it? I really do not understand some of you and the way you see things.....hell I have say so over my thoughts and what they mean, not you....and if you think i'd mince my damn words to convince you or anyone of anything...then your perception of self-importance is waay the hell out of whack.............personally I want to ask you who in the hell do you think you are to tell me what I mean when I say something?
and Frenchy..based on the posts I have placed in here....if I was truly against gays and their agenda, what makes you think I would have a problem coming out and saying it...hell I'd express my disdain for their azzes in a similar manner that I did for blkCONS....and I know damn well my take on them is not up to broad interpretation.....so if you see a contradiction in something I say, ASK me about it and i'll tell you where I really stand so there won't be one...its not like i'm going to get chastised for saying the wrong or unpopular answer.........
....but Oh well, condemn Reverend Daniels for his actions, actions that have not harmed a hair on any Black persons head, while no good sleazy Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Henry Lyons, and so many others, receive a free pass to steal from the Black community while the Black community remains in silence!

.....the KKK are least of the average Black man and woman's worries on the street. These individuals did not meet their maker as a result of any KKK activity, but rather the wrong actions of Black Folk....

....but Oh well, that is the nature of the Black community. Individuals who have not brought harm to the Black community in any regard are kicked to curb, while the thieves, murderers, depots, the uncouth, the treasonous, are given "get out of jail free cards", received honorable mention, have a park or a museum in the Black community named in their honor, are listed in the Who's, Who's of Black America, are given dignitary status....

....you name it.
The fact that he has sided with the KKK, who have killed 10,000s of African-Americans over 150 years, is just as much harm as what Jesse Jackson does.

BTW, Jesse Jackson is corrupt, but how has he harmed African-Americans?
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Originally posted by Michael:
....The KKK more than likely is saying or thinking, "Way to go Black People", as Klan members, we don't have to lift a finger, in that given enough rope to hang their own people, Black people will kill each other for recreational enjoyment.


I could say the same thing about White-on-White crime. White people kill each other at a high rate as well. Most Whites are killed by other Whites. Most Blacks are killed by other Blacks.

No-duh. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Michael:
Jackleg Reverend Jackson has stolen assets from numerous Black people throughout the U.S.[/URL]


There is a GIANT difference between stealing a man's money...and tying him to a tree and setting him on fire. Are you unclear on this concept? Confused
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Originally posted by ML:
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Originally posted by ML:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Black Viking:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Michael:
Jackleg Reverend Jackson has stolen assets from numerous Black people throughout the U.S.[/URL]


There is a GIANT difference between stealing a man's money...and tying him to a tree and setting him on fire. Are you unclear on this concept? Confused


Speaking of concepts and clarity.....

.........Death is Death, be it death by the racist actions of the KKK, or as the reality of Blacks killing Blacks, in contemporary times, Death is no less deadly, because death is still death.

The KKK, the Aryan Nation, etc., etc., are not responsible for this activity...

......senseless activity on the part of Black people who have no regard for other Black people and/or others, to which Black on Black killing and maiming, is truly genocidal


......You should be asking yourself the same question, the question being, "Are you unclear on this concept?" Confused
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