Rev. Terry Jones plans to burn qurans on the ninth anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks.


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Holder, Axelrod Denounce Florida Church's Planned Quran Burning




GAINESVILLE, Fla. - The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to go through with his plan to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, despite pressure from the White House, religious leaders and others to call it off.

"We are still determined to it, yes," the Rev. Terry Jones told the CBS Early Show.

Jones' plans drew criticism from Attorney General Eric Holder, who, according to a Justice Department official, called the bonfire idiotic and dangerous during a private with religious leaders Tuesday.

Holder's words were echoed Wednesday by presidential adviser David Axelrod, who told NBC's Today show that the pastor's plan is "wrong in so many dimensions," offends U.S. values and is a threat to U.S. security.

Axelrod told CNN Wednesday morning: "The reverend may have the right to do what he's doing but it's not right. It's not consistent with our values ... I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold."

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has also voiced her disapproval. At a Tuesday dinner in observance of Iftar, the breaking of the daily fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Clinton said, "I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths."

Gen. David Petraeus took the rare step of a military leader taking a position on a domestic matter when he warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan -- and around the world -- to inflame public opinion and incite violence."


Gen. Ray Odierno, the former top commander in Iraq, said Wednesday he fears that extremists will use the incident to sow hatred against U.S. troops overseas.

"This feeds right into what they want," Odierno said on NBC's "Today Show. Odierno now heads of U.S. Joint Forces Command.

Jones responded that he is also concerned but is "wondering, 'When do we stop?'" He refused to cancel the protest at his Dove World Outreach Center but said he was still praying about it.
"How much do we back down? How many times do we back down?" Jones told the AP. "Instead of us backing down, maybe it's time to stand up. Maybe it's time to send a message to radical Islam that we will not tolerate their behavior."

Supporters have been mailing copies of the holy text to his Gainesville church of about 50 followers to be incinerated in a bonfire on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Jones says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip since announcing his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God and insist be treated with the utmost respect. The 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."

Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his church declaring "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning idea attracted wider attention. It drew rebukes from Muslim nations and at home as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

His actions most likely would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear in several landmark rulings that speech deemed offensive to many people, even the majority of people, cannot be suppressed by the government unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or amounts to an incitement to violence, legal experts said.

The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit, but he said lawyers have told him he has the right to burn the Qurans, with or without the city's permission.

Local religious leaders in this progressive Florida city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus also criticized the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache.

At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events -- some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church on Saturday.

Gainesville's new mayor, Craig Lowe, who during his campaign became the target of a Jones-led protest because he is openly gay, has declared Sept. 11 Interfaith Solidarity Day in the city.

In Afghanistan, Jones' planned burning continued to provoke outrage.

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"
The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

Muslims consider the Quran along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad to be sacred. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect Quran is deeply offensive.

Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

The world's leading Sunni Muslim institution of learning, Al-Azhar University in Egypt, accused the church of stirring up hate and discrimination, and called on other American churches speak out against it.

Last month, Indonesian Muslims demonstrated outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, threatening violence if Jones goes through with it.


Jones dismisses the response of the other churches as "cowardly."






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The idiots are the generals and administration officials who are chiming in on this.  The fact that US troops invaded foreign, sovereign soil makes it dangerous for them.  They are fighting a war and the fact that Republicans are not chiming means nothing.  They all need to stay out of it and it would happen and then fade away.
Nuggyt, apparently this story was already huge news in the Arab world long before anybody in the US military commented on it.  The US is trying to support new governments in these countries.  It's not easy to achieve that objective as it is.  The last thing you need is to have American churches burning Qurans.  That's not something that will fade away.
Maybe so, but they are only legitimizing and escalating things by doing what they are doing. If we are truly about what we say we are about, freedom and all that bullshit, then our highest ranking officials need only support its citizens rights and leave it at that.
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Nuggyt, apparently this story was already huge news in the Arab world long before anybody in the US military commented on it.  The US is trying to support new governments in these countries.  It's not easy to achieve that objective as it is.  The last thing you need is to have American churches burning Qurans.  That's not something that will fade away.

I have to agree with this statement.  Besides, the protesters have a lot of nerve demanding that a Mosque not be built near the 911 site because of the tragedy that took place on 911, considering that there is a Christian Church built on or near every site where Native Americans were murdered, brutalized, committed genocide upon, and where Africans were enslaved, maimed, murdered in this country.  

If these protesters can't respect their right to build a Mosque, then these same protesters have no respect for our constitution which guarantees them the very right to do so.

Maybe the Native Americans should come out in droves and begin to protest every site in this country where their people were slaughtered, massacred, etc. that has a Christian Church built on that site or near it.  The same with African Americans, should we be out there protesting the building of Christian Churches on the very sites where Africans were enslaved, maimed, murdered?
  The reason why REPUBLICANS aren't sayin' too much is cuz....THEY ARE COWARDS! Bottom line.  And the prank [about to happen by this fool] reminds me of the religious crusade years between Islam and Christianity after the meeting in Alexandria.  When neither couldn't get his way, one will shoot the other and the other one will slash off the head of another.  Why?  Ignorance and stupidity.  Say again. IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY!!!  When will folks LEARN?  They did NOT make this EARTH or the life in it.  If this were true, it will be NO LIFE and no earth underneath.  Cuz there's sumthing about HUMAN beings who think they KNOW everythang...but display absolutely NO knowledge in behavior.  Tragic.  And thank God!  Yep I said it....the power of life and this world WERE NEVER given to or made by MAN!!!  It was taken.  And when it is taken....you get what you get.  As in this case.  But!   Where's my popcorn? 
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Maybe the Native Americans should come out in droves and begin to protest every site in this country where their people were slaughtered, massacred, etc. that has a Christian Church built on that site or near it.
Better yet, maybe black people need to start protesting the building of Christian churches in our neighborhoods.  After all, the slavers back in the day built christian churches right above the dungeons that our ancestors were kept in waiting to be put on the slave ships.  Christianity was a tool used to keep us oppressed, as we all know.
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Christianity was a tool used to keep us oppressed, as we all know.
I saw an interesting show the other day that detailed how Christianity was a MAJOR factor in the southern states' decision to secede from the Union and start the Civil War!!  The Confederate leadership believed that the Southern way was the "righteous" way, ordained by God (slavery, included) ... and that the Northerners were being 'led astray' and defying God's will with their "loose" ways and secular way of thinking.

They figured they were going to win because they had God on their side, and the Northerners didn't .... and, apparently, this was the message that was 'Bible thumped' into the minds of the southern people and got them all stirred up to want to declare war, fight the government, and become their own republic.

When they LOST ... they switched their message and declared that, well, maybe separation wasn't the right mission after all .... but segregation was!!  And ever since they've been using so-called "Christian teachings" to justify their oppression of Black people.

I believe that the republicans are not speaking up for 1 of 2 reasons:
A) They want the war to continue to justify the initial BS reasons for the attack, occupation, regime change or whatever the reason is today.

B) They are realizing what many have already discovered no one is scared or worried about America and the days when people would shake in their boots at "the yanks are coming" are over and they need to figure out a way to regain  dominance.

Florida pastor's daughter says "he needs help"


BERLIN — The estranged daughter of a U.S. pastor who has threatened to burn copies of the Koran believes he has gone mad and needs help, she said in a German media interview conducted on Friday.

Emma Jones, who lives in Germany, told Spiegel Online she had e-mailed her father urging him to drop his plan to burn copies of the Islamic holy book, writing: "Dad, leave it be!"

He did not reply, she said.

Facing an outpouring of concern from U.S. leaders and anger from Muslims worldwide, Pastor Terry Jones, of Gainesville, Florida, said on Friday he no longer planned to burn the Koran on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

But Jones appeared to leave open the possibility he could change his mind if a proposed meeting fails to take place on Saturday in New York with Muslim leaders planning to build an Islamic center and mosque near the site of the September 11 attacks.

"My father is not one to give up," said Emma Jones, 30. "As a daughter, I see the good-natured core inside him. But I think he needs help."

"I think he has gone mad," she added.

She described how a Christian community her father spent years building in Cologne, Germany was at first Bible-orientated but later changed. After leaving the community aged 17, Emma Jones said she returned in 2005 to find it had become sect-like.

"I saw that my father preached and did things that I didn't find biblical at all. He demanded total allegiance to himself and his second wife," she said. His first wife, her mother, died in 1996.

"That was real religious delusion I saw," she added. "Typical evidence of a sect."

Emma Jones said the community kicked out her father in 2008, when he returned to the United States.

"I really hope he comes to his senses," she said.

We all knew he was crazy.  Very good of his own daughter to offer up evidence of that fact.  Now, if only we could find out who is paying him to stir up this racist, religious incitement.  I hate that this idiot was given so much media attention and that our media felt it necessary to hound a response out of the Obama administration about this idiot.  The Obama administration shouldn't have given him the time of day, instead, should have sent officials down there to "discuss" how big of a problem he was instigating and how many laws he was or possibly was in violation of, and how much prison time he could be looking at; that after the I.R.S. has done an audit on him to see if he has unaccounted for monies all of a sudden.

As far as the Muslim/Islamic Americans/diaspora is concerned, I hope they know by now that there are a lot of crazy assed Americans, period.  I hope that they know that even burning a copy of a Qur'an cannot touch Islam any more than burning a copy of the Bible can touch Christianity.
Burning copies of religious texts that carry the weight of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc.,
in a effort to interfere with its message, is like try to un-ring a bell; (it can't be done). 

People have to stop over reacting to every extremist psycho that gets 15 minutes of fame from media sources who should be too professional to even waste their time airing this stupidity.

Florida pastor calls off Quran burning

By the CNN Wire Staff



(CNN) -- The pastor of a Florida church says his congregation has decided to call off the burning of the Quran that was to be held Saturday -- the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States by the al Qaeda terror network.

"We will definitely not burn the Quran," the Rev. Terry Jones told NBC's "Today" on Saturday "Not today, not ever." The burning had been planned for 6 p.m.

Jones arrived in New York late Friday night and was working to set up a meeting with the imam in charge of the Islamic center planned near ground zero. The planned meeting, Jones had said, helped persuade him to halt the burning.

Earlier Friday, Jones gave mixed messages about whether he intends to carry out his plans, which have sparked international controversy and protests in the Muslim world. U.S. military leaders said the event would imperil the lives of troops abroad.

President Obama said Friday that the idea that "we would burn the sacred texts of someone else's religion is contrary to what this country stands for."

He said he hopes Jones "prays on it" and refrains from doing it. The government has to send a "very clear message" that burning the Quran would endanger U.S. troops and serve as a major recruiting tool for al Qaeda, Obama added.

On Saturday, New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said police met with Jones and plan to keep a "close tab on him" for his own safety.

"His safety could be an issue, and we emphasized that to him last evening. And, he seemed to agree. You know. We would like to make certain that he remains safe while he's in this city."

 
 

 
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"His safety could be an issue, and we emphasized that to him last evening. And, he seemed to agree. You know. We would like to make certain that he remains safe while he's in this city."



Nothin' like a good ol' "death threat" to make one reconsider one's position, eh?? 
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I hate that this idiot was given so much media attention and that our media felt it necessary to hound a response out of the Obama administration about this idiot. The Obama administration shouldn't have given him the time of day, instead, should have sent officials down there to "discuss" how big of a problem he was instigating and how many laws he was or possibly was in violation of, and how much prison time he could be looking at; that after the I.R.S. has done an audit on him to see if he has unaccounted for monies all of a sudden.

I couldn't agree with you more, sunnubian!!!

I told somebody just yesterday that the CIA should have taken this fool out of commission WEEKS ago ... and we shouldn't have been still even having this conversation this late in the game!! 
You know...this man ain't got ALL his marbles.  If he did, he would have known about others not too long are who were sentenced to death by extremist muslims who were offended.  Like the fellow who wrote the book regarding the Muslim world, can't remember his name but as soon as that book came out, he was threatened and had to live in excile.  Another was this young woman, who had did a film about how Muslims mistreat their women....and guess what?  She was threatened as well.  I think one of her family members was killed trying to get to her.  She had to move to Europe to hide from these fools.  So my question:  Where is the pastor getting his information about the people he feel are HIS enemies?  Doesn't he read?  How are you gonna offend someone you know NOTHING about?  These fools have a HISTORY of murdering people merely cuz they felt their religion was insulted.  Good sports, they are NOT!


He is still blinded by the good ole days, when white Americans could SAY any damn thing they wanted regardless of who they insulted.  Well, Islam especially in the middle east has been notorious and historical for being extreme about their Quran and use it to justify the behavior toward another human being including declaring a personal war against them.  In addition, this subliminal war between Islam and Christianity have been ONGOING for centuries!  And this  man seriously need to go to the library [if in fact he can read text other than the bible] in his town and pull  out as many books/articals/periodicals as he can about the Muslim/Christian Crusade that has killed more people than any war I know of.  Maybe that will give him a clue as to what he is up against.  Cuz I really don't think his hill billy ass knew the volume of danger he was spewin'.  Like massa always do, pastor was talkin' out the side of his mouth cuz he STILL think America got some kind of power over most folks in the world.  There's that bully mentality again.  But!  As I say:  Ignorance and Stupdity are dangerous thangs....and it can get you killed if you are not careful.  And it can also get unsuspecting others killed who had nothing whatsoever to do with the propaganda/drama.  But!

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