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quote:Originally posted by Frenchy:quote:2b. Re-instatement of voting privileges for felons.
This would be nice. I shudder to think about what candidates will do to win "the Felon vote," but it would certainly force them to address some of the things they like to dance around (lack of rehabilitation in prison, unjust nature of mandatory sentencing, discrimination against those with prison records, etc). It seems it would at least be a start to repairing some of the damage the criminal justice system has done.
quote:I would think that politicians would have to try to win the felon vote mainly by trying to apeal to the communities that those felons come from. I have no hard data to back this up, but suspect that the voting patterns of felons, to the extent that they would actually vote, would be pretty much in line with the voting patterns of the nonfelons from the same community.
quote:For example, what would be the point of having 2/5's of all adult Black males in Florida be felons (to the nearest fifth) if it didn't result in the average adult Black male in Florida having 3/5's of a vote? (Again, to the nearest fifth.)
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Yes and we must always in every civil or criminal proceeding be sure not to make the VIOLATOR mad and resentful. The pure idiocy of attaching such emotional considerations to a process that's about JUSTICE.quote:The movement for black reparations, however well-intended, is misguided. Indeed, it is perverse in its propensity to discredit the very ideal of corrective justice that it invokes, to aggravate bitterness rather than assuage it, and to make reconciliation more difficult.
Can we please lose these fallacious arguments. SLIPPERY SLOPES will get you nowhere.quote:My point, then, is not that giving reparations to the descendants of black slaves would require, legally or otherwise, that they be given to the descendants of liquidated Native-Americans or near-enslaved coolies, much less that the former should not be first in line. Rather, it is that the politics and psychology of the competition for victimhood will make it difficult to stop there...
Yes, dealing with all the LEGITIMATE claims against America is just "unacceptable"...quote:The Slippery Slope fallacy... postulates the truth of an opponent's position, and then tries to make the case that the opponent's position would lead to unacceptable consequences. [It] is illegitimate, however, because the consequences claimed are not actually logical consequences of the opponent's position.
http://www.cuyamaca.net/bruce.thompson/Fallacies/slippery.asp
quote:My list of what reparations must include.
1. 100 years of income tax exemption.
2a. 1 time get out of jail free cards.
2b. Re-instatement of voting privileges for felons. --Blaqfist
Twisted, sad and counterintutive thinking.quote:I've already stated, more than once, what should be done with reparations but more importantly, we need to get back to the business of picking up where Martin Luther King Jr., and Thurgood Marshall left off--instead of achieving 'independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions,' we need to implement strategies that will infultrate these 'racist institutions' and place more socially conscious blacks in these racist institutions.
Your suggestion about "INVESTING IN RACIST INSTITUTIONS" hardly deals with how to TAKE CONTROL of our Consumer Power. Such CONTROL requires, as the WISE STATEMENT suggested, that we have Our Own Pond/Lake.quote:It's ideas like what I've mentioned that would not only solve the many socio-economic issues blacks are facing today, it would, thereby, create the independence and self-sufficienct base needed, and ensure stability after the reparations is enacted.
quote:Having your taxes waived is the same as being given money--most black people will still spend that money and bring themselves back to square one or worse because they would grow more impulsive with their spending--thinking they have a little more disposible income when, in reality, they still have the same debt as before. ironhead
quote:As far as restoring the right to vote to felons--bad idea. First of all, voting was the last thing on most of these felons minds or they wouldn't have gotten thrown in prison to begin with. If you want to restore voting priveledges to felons then what would be the point of taking their voting priviledges from them to begin with? ironazz
quote:As we have already seen in the last election, we know what can happen to convicted felons when they are in the process of having their voting priviledges re-instated. In Florida, even though hundreds of felons were so-called re-instated, they couldn't vote and the answer still isn't clear as to why hundreds of felons couldn't vote in the sunshine state.
ironazz
quote:To work towards SELF-SUFFICIENCY (oh, that bad word!) and INDEPENDENCE from "these racist institutions" BY BUILD OUR OWN INSTITUTIONS that lessen our need to be overly exposed to "these racist institutions" by definition Changes The Dynamics and speaks directly about Fishing In Your Own Pond. --Nmaginate
quote:To work towards SELF-SUFFICIENCY (oh, that bad word!) and INDEPENDENCE from "these racist institutions" BY BUILD OUR OWN INSTITUTIONS --Nmaginate
quote:it was the very "Racist System" that trained them that they deluded themselves into thinking they would "infiltrate" and change. --Nmaginate
quote:Well, one thing you don't get taught by your "enemy" is how to defeat him and when you leave it for your enemy to educate you and yours... suffice it to say your everyday training won't be one that prepares you for combat in every theatre on all terrain. --Nmaginate
quote:So, the objective is to change the dynamics. If not completely change these "racist institutions" then, of course, the goal is to eliminate or lessen the effect of them. Perhaps that can be mitigated by a few socially conscious persons (amongst a sea of people who aren't... as conscious)... --Nmaginate
quote:Your suggestion about "INVESTING IN RACIST INSTITUTIONS" hardly deals with how to TAKE CONTROL of our Consumer Power.
quote:Building a Network Of Institutions that do, organically, is the only way. So, if anything, the approach to investing would be, IMO, to target certain businesses with an intent to become primary stockholders or better yet a network of businesses that can or do serve the various needs of our community. A Reverse Boycott principle...--Nmaginate
quote:That must be that funny math I have heard of. Not paying income taxes means keeping all of the money you make; if we were to receive money, said money would come from an alternative source. --Nmaginate's gay lover, Blountfist
quote:You say some of the dumbest stuff! Voting ironazz, is a right, not a privilege. Even though you are in jail you still have your rights.
quote:2a. 1 time get out of jail free cards. --Nmaginate's gay lover, LadyFinger
quote:Since felon's caint vote, should they still have to pay the same rate of income tax as everybody else? Because currently they still have to pay taxes for a government they have no input on. --Nmaginate's gay lover, LadyFinger
THere is no AMBIGUITY in what I said. And you have not shown it. lol...quote:Let me re-emphasize the ignorant ambiguity in your train of thought...
quote:Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
You're mad at yourself, Nmurinate, because you don't have any ideas. There is nothing to discuss with you because your train of thought, as well as logic is trash.--THE END.
quote:A good academic exercise would be to develop a plan for how reparations could be used collectively to enable the African community to become independent from racist institutions and economically self-sufficient for at least seven generations.
From the How would reparations be paid? section:
http://www.ncobra.com/ncobra_info.htm --Nmurinate, LadyFinger's gay lover.
quote:So, the objective is to change the dynamics. If not completely change these "racist institutions" then, of course, the goal is to eliminate or lessen the effect of them. Perhaps that can be mitigated by a few socially conscious persons (amongst a sea of people who aren't... as conscious)... --Nmurinate, LadyFinger's gay lover
Nah!! That's your broke ass! I told you about PROCESS.quote:The only contradiction is you, Nmurinate, because first you said you wanted to achieve independence from racist institutions, now you want to say blacks should be placed in these racist institutions.
Never made such a claim. You did.quote:How can you become independent from the very racist institutions you claim you want to insert socially conscious black people in--which was my idea to begin with?
Where is the "I WANT TO INSERT" clause at IronHorse?quote:While on the way to "Infiltrate" the system "these racist institution"... too many African Americans have simply replicated or been used to replicate the same things the system was putting out when they entered them. Part of that being because it was [those] very "Racist System" that trained them [in the first place]...
Well, one thing you don't get taught by your "enemy" is how to defeat him and when you leave it for your enemy to educate you and yours... suffice it to say your everyday training won't be one that prepares you for combat in every theatre on all terrain.
This is just delusional thinking... As if "these racist institutions" are producing Socially Conscious Blacks. That runs counter to SYSTEM SURVIVAL, IronHorse. It is counterintuitive and just plain DELUSIONAL.
Tongue In Cheek, you dumbass!!quote:...too many African Americans have simply replicated or been use to replicate the same things the system was putting out when they entered them. Perhaps [the effect or impact from the RACIST INSTITUTIONS] can be mitigated by a few socially conscious persons (amongst a sea of people who aren't...)
quote:Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
..and another thing, Nmurinate, the mere fact that you have posted over 4283 discussions, you have a master of the universe rating, yet you haven't learned one damn thing in interacting with all of these other people is ridiculous..
quote:IDEAL REPARATIONS = Political and Economic AUTONOMY
quote:Secondly, social wellness centers need to be created and placed in predominantly black areas--give the lower class a fighting chance. These centers would have social workers, legal aide, job placement services, affordable daycare and evening care for single mothers, affordable medical care with the use of students in their residency, as well as other social services that would be provided through participating churches, and hospitals.
This center would also have internship programs for college students, particularly, for students in the field of education, medicine, psyhology, and social work. Participating colleges and universities could revamp curriculum to require one or two semesters of intership in these centers.
quote:Having your taxes waived is the same as being given money--most black people will still spend that money and bring themselves back to square one or worse because they would grow more impulsive with their spending--thinking they have a little more disposible income when, in reality, they still have the same debt as before.
As far as restoring the right to vote to felons--bad idea. First of all, voting was the last thing on most of these felons minds or they wouldn't have gotten thrown in prison to begin with. If you want to restore voting priveledges to felons then what would be the point of taking their voting priviledges from them to begin with
Well, since TAXATION has been mentioned here... I've long since advocated BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES which by definition forms a basis for political and economic autonomy.quote:What one fails to realize is that AUTONOMY is neccessary.
IDEAL REPARATIONS = Political and Economic AUTONOMY
HERU, that's the reason behind BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES. At the very least, that's "Starter Capital" with or without REPARATIONS funds. And of course a governing body/organ to administer those taxes is a pre-requisite.quote:Yeah, some can say, why don't we just take our own money and throw it into a big "black" pot. I'd say, one we don't have enough... and... I'm not willing to count all the labor we put into this country as sunk cost, or neccessary losses.
quote:Who funds this stabilization that you speak of? --HomoStar
quote:First of all, to which connotative or colloquial perception of Black are you referring? --HomoStar
quote:I can also assure you that, had they had just the smallest seed of hope of obtaining something worth saving for, they would save every penny they had. But in the hood, we are not educated about the opportunities they are readily (yeah right) available to us. --HomoStar
quote:I certainly know many blacks that invest and save. I know many blacks that study and work hard to be assets to their community, and society. --HomoStar
quote:Any other response will probably go ignored, especially the 'I WIN' 'YOU LOSE' remarks. This isn't a game.
quote:Well, since TAXATION has been mentioned here... I've long since advocated BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES which by definition forms a basis for political and economic autonomy. --Nmurinate
quote:Given the magnitude of the Reparations project, it stands to reason that there must be an organizational structure to implement/administer Reparations. There is then no reason why we should not only assert our right to establish, control and run such an organization but also seek to govern our affairs. What could be more RESTORATIVE?
quote:Anything else, anything circumscribed around what the supposed "reality" is and how White America will respond or what "they will allow" is arbitrarily limiting one's own choices and never approaching THE IDEAL.
Ah, HELL YEAH!! Now I know you're Shea "Whitey!" (or him who Likey Shea Whitey!)quote:Oh hell no--now I know you're smoking weed.
DUMBASS!! Of course, you're sick of this because I keep exposing your anemic basis of your arguments.quote:"What they will allow," huh? That sounds like another sorry ass cop out: "We couldn't get what we wanted because the man wouldn't let us have it."
Your ideas are not clearly stated here. You do more to contradict them the more you talk. CONTRADICTION is like the anti-thesis to Clarity.quote:When you give a complete outline, step by step, of what the hell we are to do with reparations, and not create a link to someone elses site, thereby, creating your own clearly stated ideas, wake me up.
So, let's talk about your FICTIONS and BIASES. First of all, as noted, you even talking about CASH MONEY as Reparations is FALSE!quote:First of all, most of us black people wouldn't know what to do with cash money...
Nmaginatequote:You do know that what you believe in those terms invariably has an effect -- a biased effect -- on what you have to say here. In other words, it should come as no surprise that your thoughts here are LIMITED, shaped and restricted by your ultimate beliefs. (Talk about COP OUTs!) Not only your belief in terms of "Will Reparations Happen" but also your beliefs in the ability of Black people to manage Reparations when accorded show confined range and scope of your views.
Those are your inherently problematic BIASES.
BELIEF IN CAUSE and BELIEF IN THE PEOPLE are primary. You have failed on both accounts. Deal with your issues
???horsequote:To tell you the truth though, if reparations were to happen, it most certainly wouldn't happen in our lifetime and probably not in the lifetime of our children, which is why we should focus more on stablization rather than waiting for reparations to pull us out of the hole.
Cluelesshorsequote:What the hell did you think this whole discussion was created about, you door nob? REPARATIONS, what to do with REPARATIONS
BigSistersPetquote:It's obvious you drank too much 'red' and 'purple' Kool-Aid while growing up in the ghetto--it seems that in no point in time did you ever pay attention to the inner workings of why black ghettos still thrive. Perhaps you should read this book by John McWhorter to get a better idea of what I'm talking about, since you obviously don't have a damn clue or you, yourself, are in denial
Psychohorsequote:Ooooh, HomoStar, then you must know all 20 percent of black people in the United States of America, right? If so many black people were studying, working hard, and being assets to their community, then, what the hell is the need for reparations? By your testimony, us black people have our thang together, right? Keep on dreaming, naive boy.
Maxiquote:If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion then you need to keep on ignoring this discussion and take your ass somewhere else. Nobody called you in this discussion and you didn't lose anything in here either so, step off
quote:Who funds stabilization? HERU
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What the hell did you think this whole discussion was created about, you door nob? REPARATIONS, what to do with REPARATIONS
Cluelesshorse
YOUR'E a RETARD if you can't see that blatant CONTRAICTION!!!
quote:My views or my people are way more representative than yours. You need to stay out of those White Power sites.--HomoStar
You will see, there is nothing short about me.quote:...you and Nmurinate sure as hell are coming up short.
I guess those are some very ORIGINAL and hightech ideas or something, in your book... Well, to each his little, short and non-descript and unoriginal own!quote:I think that more funding should be appropriated into improving the in and around the city limits of predominately black cities in America--more affordable housing, better public transportation systems, and signing bonuses to attract new teachers in inner city school systems.
SHUT THE FUCK UP! (I repeat that enough times to turn a new page.)quote:...it doesn't take cussing somebody out for several pages while you're collecting your thoughts either.
quote:quote:
To tell you the truth though, if reparations were to happen, it most certainly wouldn't happen in our lifetime and probably not in the lifetime of our children, which is why we should focus more on stablization rather than waiting for reparations to pull us out of the hole.
???horse
Who funds stabilization? HERU
quote:
What the hell did you think this whole discussion was created about, you door nob? REPARATIONS, what to do with REPARATIONS
quote:because you haven't stated how these people are going to all of a sudden deal with having all of their income. I could have sworn your water headed ass said that blacks shouldn't recieve monetary compensation through reparations. ironazz
quote:Sadly I agree w/ ironazz on a couple points. --Blaqfist a.k.a. "LadyFinger."
quote:Originally posted by HeruStar:quote:quote:
???horse
Who funds stabilization? HERU
quote:
What the hell did you think this whole discussion was created about, you door nob? REPARATIONS, what to do with REPARATIONS
quote:Originally posted by Nmaginate:Nah!! That's your broke ass! I told you about PROCESS.quote:The only contradiction is you, Nmurinate, because first you said you wanted to achieve independence from racist institutions, now you want to say blacks should be placed in these racist institutions.
And again, I'll have to Treat you Like A Prostitute... I mean "White Boy" and challenge you to QUOTE ME or STROKE ME!
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quote:Originally posted by shemika:
Michael – you sound just like a white man. You keep irrationally reiterating the same rhetoric without acknowledging individual realities where blacks are concerned. You seem to see black people as an isolated single minded unit acting as one without regard to individual circumstances and influences, which is very inhumane. Although you claim to acknowledge the realities, your conclusions demonstrate otherwise.
All you do is point fingers, blaming blacks for matters often beyond their control. You bring no sensible solutions other than broad, sweeping, unrealistic comments that don't actually address those realities, but rather, disregards and dismisses them. Saying, "All blacks have to do is stop dealing with drugs.", is not only simple minded, it ignores the power of racist institutional stereotyping and corruption that stigmatizes and persecutes even innocent blacks as occurred in TX. History should tell you that if drugs were out of the picture they would still find something else to justify a means to their end.
Also, how do you propose that the black middle class change the condition of black people in general? They basically get their income from white owned and controlled establishments that have traditionally terminated or blackballed anyone they disapproved of. The black leaders of the 50's and 60's did a very good job, that's why they were assassinated. That alone should tell you something about what blacks are up against when it comes to gaining real power and protection from their schemes. Proof of what blacks have to deal with is also documented on the COINTELPRO website.
What the Black Panthers and other black organizations were promoting, was unity, pro-black education, having each others back, and placing responsibility on the perpetrators and benefactors of racism rather than helping to tear each other down by blaming the consequences of it on the blacks of it's victims. Which is the answer, and is why the white establishment hated them. Watch who they hate and you'll know who's on the right track; someone like yourself will gain their approval.
quote:You're still too eager to prove somebody wrong instead of just interacting constructively with the conversation. Try to keep up with us, HeruSter--I know you're young but you can do it.
FakeHorsequote:What's your name? Where's your picture? What's your sign Sandye, sugarhoneybunch?