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Your views are inconsistent with eachother in the fact that you agree with giving us access, but you seem to disagree that it is a "politicaly viable" solution. Your dissent stems from:


HeruStar, you, just like Nmaginate are trying too hard by overanalzying and, thereby, trying to see errors and inconsistencies with my logic instead of just sticking to the conversation at hand. Where in the hell did you get the idea that I don't agree that it is a politically viable solution?

I merely stated that the problems in black communities need to be dealt with first before the problem of education should be considered. I would put "ACCESS" first over dealing with the problems of education, mainly because there are organizations out there, the NEA, for one, that are already attacking the issues of the problems with public education.

As flawed as public education may be, it is still more than effective enough in doing the job it was created to do--empowering young minds. The problem is, young minds have to be there in order to get the education.
I see no errors in your logic, neither was I trying to find any. You made a snide remark at me indicating that I was saying what you said, and that our views were on one accord. I was just pointing out the fact that we do not see eye to eye.
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No race of people has achieved independence and self-sufficiency without the help of another race.
It's silliness like this as you continue on your STRAW MAN parade that shows your issues.

This idea of yours doesn't make any logical sense... with the absolute (NO RACE) rhetoric you use.

How exactly did the first "race" ever survive let alone thrive if there were no other "races" to help them? And really where does this shit come from?

Do... you... know... what... a... STRAW MAN is??

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In response to your embracing the notion of achieving independence from these racist institutions, all I have to say is this: Every black man isn't your friend and every white man isn't your enemy.
What the FUCK are you talking about?

There is NOTHING that I have said that approximates, can be construed or can be stretched for you to even begin to think that BULLSHIT makes sense. Nothing I have said suggests that "EVERY Black Man" this and "EVERY White Man" that.

So what the FUCK are you talking about?
Learn how to stop assuming shit you have absolutely no reason to believe except by way of your own concocted STRAW MEN...

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You've knocked my idea of starting with revitalizing the inner city with a black infrastructure but you haven't inserted your idea of where we're going to start from to make the necessary steps of getting to the point of independence and self-sufficiency.
I have not "knocked" your idea. You have this problem with READING COMPREHENSION and the most important thing with that: CONTEXT.

I tell you what. I'll match your quaint axioms with my own which is so necessary here:

A statement is Opposition is not necessarily a statement promoting the Opposite.

That said, all your counterpoints seem to have to place what I've mentioned at some polar extreme (to your idea). What I have said is not. I made an observation. I listed a principle concern. You have failed to speak to how you would address it.

So, basically you've listed The LIMITS Of Your "IDEAL". Something, to me, that's counterintuitive...

As for your idea, you really haven't said much let alone spelled out how we get to that point. You talk about points A-Z but show no logical progression that establishes your ideas as the actual beginning points. You just assert they are as if "revitalizing the inner city" is a self-explanatory step.

My question to you was how do you ensure that revitalization last? In essence, how do you ensure "Whitey" doesn't get more out of it than you or more than what's necessary?

You would do better to actually address things I say instead of continuing on your STRAW MAN tangents.

sad "It seems Militant and Separatist." sad

Again, if it were not for the "militants and separatists" much of what the Reparations Movement is would not exist. The NAACP types would still be waiting to gauge the temperature of their White Supporters if not taking direction from them. If it where not for the "militant and separatist" tradition making Reparations an issue year in, year out... long before you stubbled upon NCOBRA in your usual Johnny Come Lately style, just last year... lol ... we would not be having this conversation.

One of those "good White/Jewish people" I converse with on another forum has noted that no major Black (mainstream) organization has come out, officially, in support of REPARATIONS. To the extent that his notion is true... I WONDER WHY???

sad "It seems Militant and Separatist." sad

And I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:

"...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself...

That about sums it up, huh? bsm

Oh for those who would actually try to address substance. Again, I did not "knock" what you said. You had the nerve to say:
"In order to come up with a [proper] solution, you need to [properly] identify the problem."

I stated why I thought "the problem" was not COMPLETELY and, hence, properly identified. Some READING COMPREHENSION instead of Knee-Jerk or "Knock"-Knee was in order. I said:

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Grants for education, tax breaks, etc. alone without systematic, institutional, structural changes pretty much becomes just another version of what people think Reparations As Cash Checks to individuals would be... Short Lived and of little (collective) enduring transforming effect.
By definition, by any logical reading of the English used in my statement... there is no "knock" of what you proposed. Just a statement, an analysis that says what you propose BY ITSELF, ON ITS OWN is not going to make a lasting effect.

You mentioned the help Whites/Jews provided to the NAACP but really all that help has profitted us how in the here and now? If that help was so great how come we're talking about Reparations today and did not get Reparations THEN?? What part of the critiques of those things have you missed?
    "I'm worried and concerned. I've been working hard all my life to promote the cause of integration. Now that integration is beginning to happen...have I led my people to join a sinking ship?" - MLK
As I said before:
Provisions/considerations in your idea to avoid or eventually counteract that?

Please note:
EVENTUALLY suggests a progression.
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The Japanese, in turn, aided in giving Dutch, Polish and German Jews safe passage to freedom and avoid termination by the Nazis.
Ironhorse.

Thats funny; I always thought Germany and Japan were on the same team during WWII...?

Yo' Ironhorse; do you have a problem w/ Black Nationalism and/or Seperatism?

I happen 2B an advocate of both..
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Ironhorse.

Thats funny; I always thought Germany and Japan were on the same team during WWII...?


You're right, Blaq, Germany and Japan were both breathing down our backs, and because you have the decency to simply ask, instead of acting like a rabid dog, like some of these Other people have done, I'll drop a little knowledge on you.

The time period in which I'm referring to was around Holocaust time, just before WWII. I'll give you a quick story on what I'm talking about--there were a significant number of Jews that had escaped the Nazis, fleeing to neighboring countries that were neutral territory.

Unfortunately, the Nazis pursued the fleeing jews and the neighboring countries were no longer safe. It was due to one Japanese governmental official that single-handedly forged thousands of passports for the escaping jews so that they may enter Japan, and thereby sail to a Dutch settled island.

Why did the Japanese agree to help the jews? Because Rabis convinced Japanese governmental officials that after the Nazis were through exterminating the jews they (the Japanese) would be next to be exterminated due to the fact that the Nazis' plan was to populate the world with a blue-eyed, blonde-haired super race.

The reason why the Japanese and the Jews had a relationship to begin with was because the Japanese needed funding to fight the Russians. No one would fund the Japanese but a jewish banker in New York. The Jewish banker agreed to fund the Japanese because, at the time, the Russians was giving the jews a very hard time.

Now, if you feel the need to fill in the holes with concrete evidence

http://www.historyplace.com/index.html, here's a site that gives you complete info from A to Z:

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Yo' Ironhorse; do you have a problem w/ Black Nationalism and/or Seperatism?


No, I don't have a problem at all with black nationalism and/or seperatism--it's impossible, in this day and age, for any race of people, especially a bunch of back-biting, crab-hearted race of people like us, to make any kind of progress without the aid of people from another race, whether they be white, hispanic, asian or jew.

If we were a people that were truly unified and prepared to transcend, perhaps I would put some shades on and throw my fist up but if Ray Ray, Tyrone, Sharquita and Tisha down the street can't get along--if James and Tawana across town can't get along--if Pookie man shot Terell over 50 cents, how do you expect all of us, as a "nation" to act as one and overcome our oppressors?

By the way, while you're gearing up to overcome our oppressors you better get ready to seek out the decendants of the blacks that owned their own people, and beat them down. Oh yeah, and when you sail on the ship back to the motherland, you better have enough bullets and bombs to take on the decendants of the Africans that sold our ancestors to the Spanish, British, and Dutch to begin with.
Nmaginate, I see what your problem is now--you need a fucking chew toy.

I can see through your smoke and mirrors, Nmaginate, and I'm getting about sick and damn tired of you foaming at the mouth over nothing.

I'm about sick and damn tired of you side-stepping my challenges, only to respond with more garbage--trying to cover up for the fact that, other than hyping up N'COBRA, you haven't come up with one single damn idea of your own for achieving independence and self-sufficiency.

I don't give a fuck about STRAW-MAN, SUPER-MAN, PLASTIC-MAN, BAT-MAN, SPIDER-MAN or any other kind of MAN--my eyes grow tired of reading all of this shit you keep spouting to cover up for the fact that YOU OFFER NO IDEAS OF YOUR OWN.

I'm not even going to bother quoting any of this pure, unadulterated, warmed-over trash you keep spouting all over this forum because it's a waste of time. You're like a fucking weed--everytime I kill one stupid thing you say something else stupid pops up out of your mouth.

You know, what is so fucking ridiculous is the fact that, first of all, all this debating over reparations is irrefutably unecessary since reparations will never happen, and, secondly, you've admitted, yourself, that we both basically agree on the same outcome--your problem is, you're mad because I don't want to achieve independence in the way you want to, whatever the hell that is, since you STILL haven't explained how we're supposed to make it to the point of independence and self-sufficiency.

You've lost yet another debate, Nmaginate--I'm not going to help you fill up another forum with over 6 pages of dumbass insults because you're tired of watching Star Trek re-runs, and run out of harmless chemicals to mix up in your chemisry set.

Why don't you pry your fingers from your keyboard and take a walk outside--get some fresh air, burn some calories, plant some flowers, go to the bookstore, take a road trip but please, PLEASE step the fuck away from your computer because you don't make any fucking sense other than the fact that you're a prime example of why we, as a race, will never achieve true independence and self-sufficiency.
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you've admitted, yourself, that we both basically agree on the same outcome
Where you lying sack of shit? WHERE?

Oh... that's why you're not going to quote anything else. You know you're lying. Fucking TumbleWeed...

All these excuses for why you can't deal...

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Grants for education, tax breaks, etc. alone without systematic, institutional, structural changes pretty much becomes just another version of what people think Reparations As Cash Checks to individuals would be... Short Lived and of little (collective) enduring transforming effect.

By definition, by any logical reading of the English used in my statement... there is no "knock" of what you proposed. Just a statement, an analysis that says what you propose BY ITSELF, ON ITS OWN is not going to make a lasting effect.
Hmmm... that certainly doesn't suggest that we agree on the same OUTCOME.

We have not agreed on how we define the problem so obviously we have not agreed on the OUTCOME-SOLUTION. So, NO MAN (because you don't have any Intellectual Fortitude, your STRAW MEN being but one indication)... you can stop all your crying because you can't formulate a logical counterthesis to things I say.

sad "It seems Militant and Separatist." sad

And I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:

"...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself...

Is it not?
Are you not singing the HOUSE NIGGER BLUES?
Seems like you know you are. I guess there's a whole lot of FEAR going on with you here. lol

But, it seems that you are the Doofus King. Seems like you think I "admitted" that we have the same outcome perhaps from this statement:

A statement [in] Opposition is not necessarily a statement promoting the Opposite.

DUMBASS!!! When something is not the OPPOSITE of something else, the two being the same is but one possibility out of many. STUPID!! Does "a statement in opposition" sound like something that is "the same" to you?

What a fucking dumbass you are... Eek
Okay, Nmurinate, you want to play, you worthless, spineless, dickless, panty liner-wearing, sniveling, two-faced, talking out of both sides of your mouth, pseudo-intellectual, hard-headed, dim-witted, immature, shiftless, complacent, homosexual tendencies having, novelty store, Zulu warrior ass son of a bitch? Let's play.

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"You wanna go, nigguh, les' go!" --Lil' John and the Eastside Boyz.


I tried to be nice and put and end to this worthless conversation but since you want to make this personal, I can do this, much better than your kente cloth diaper wearing ass can.

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Grants for education, tax breaks, etc. alone without systematic, institutional, structural changes pretty much becomes just another version of what people think Reparations As Cash Checks to individuals would be... Short Lived and of little (collective) enduring transforming effect.

By definition, by any logical reading of the English used in my statement... there is no "knock" of what you proposed. Just a statement, an analysis that says what you propose BY ITSELF, ON ITS OWN is not going to make a lasting effect.


Tell me how the FUCK, you ignorant, 2 dollar ho, you are going to implement systematic, institutional, structural changes? I want YOU, not ya cross-eyed mama, not ya drunk ass daddy, not MBM, not Vox, not Faheem, not Kweli4real, not LimDem, not AudioGuy--I want YOU to explain how black people, once they achieve this so called independence and self-sufficiency, are going to maintain this self-sufficiency? You don't know, do you, ya attention starved, sociopathic, bruised ego-having, cyber maggit.

So far, all I've seen you do is toss up other peoples ideas of the end process--the outcome of reparations. You haven't said one damn thing about how we're supposed to start with achieving independence, you haven't offered one single motherfucking clue as to who or what will be involved in the process of independence and self-sufficiency--YOU HAVE NO IDEAS OF YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOU'RE A BOTTOM-FEEDING LOSER THAT CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS.

You sound just like the typical, want something for nothing, handout-taking, negro--How the fuck, you blockheaded, moronic, oblivious, imbecile, can you want reparations from racist institutions but, in the same breath, say you want independence and self-sufficiency from these same institutions you're begging from, you punk ass, flea market thug?

You want to be a real nigga? Then get off your ass, rally black people together and do the damn thang yourself! Stop begging for reparations and fund your own motherfucking revolution! Stop whining like a bitch and take it to the streets--you don't need those racist institution's help--raise your own damn money, fix your own damn neighborhoods, set up elementary, middle, secondary, post secondary, graduate and post graduate places of learning in church basements, cellars, storm shelters and ditches on your own.

Be a real nigga, Nmurinate, and tell us black folks how we gonna overcome fucked up priorities--putting rims, clothes, hair styles, cars, drugs and premarital sex over family welfare, safety and welbeing? You sound like a mentally ill fool--yeah, we gonna overcome alright--how the fuck you gonna fund your revolution? With barbeques, car washes, and swap meets? Why don't you march your ass over to Farrahkan and see how much support you're going to get from the Nation of Islam. Ya boy, Louis, can't even go to England without geting his ass banned from the whole country--the fuck outta here, Nmurinate, you foolish, harebrained, cretinous adolescent minded, keyboard hugging nerd.

If I were a "house nigga," I'd be proud to be one--you're that type of dumbass field nigga that thinks he has a plan on how to escape but doesn't know how to read or write and doesn't know his left hand from his right hand. You're that dumbass field nigga that thinks he can escape massa but doesn't have a plan what to do, where to go, what to do when you get there, and couldn't read the warning signs along the way to steer clear of trouble.

Don't worry, I wouldn't be the type of house nigga to tell on you. I would know you wouldn't make it far because you don't know which direction north is--you wouldn't know which direction east, west or south would be either, for that matter--that's just how clueless your ignorant ass is, Nmurinate.

You'd be one of those dumbass field niggas that would run around in circles and end up right back at the plantation, where massa is waiting with a bull whip and a rope, meanwhile, I'd be the house negro that would chill under the massa, learn massa's ways, teach myself how to read and write, establishing connections up north, and learning the best route to where I want to go while living comfortably, educating myself, plan an escape, and when the time is right,

I'd waltz my ass up north, get myself established and apply myeslf to the cause, with the rest of the escaped blacks and participating quakers, of getting the rest of my people off of that plantation, meanwhile, your ignorant ass is hanging in a tree or sitting in a cauldron of boiling tar.

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"I'm worried and concerned. I've been working hard all my life to promote the cause of integration. Now that integration is beginning to happen...have I led my people to join a sinking ship?" - MLK


When Martin Luther King made that statement, he was referring to idiots like you, Nmurinate. You're so gassed up on the legacy of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr.--hugging the nuts of men, long since dead, you think you can transcend the United States of America, and with who, you dumb fuck, who? Even Malcolm X came to his senses after his enlightening visit to Mecca but you're still running around thinking black people are going to walk off of their jobs, run the streets, take their savings out of the bank, buy a ship and make their way back to the motherland.

Damn, you're so dense it's painful even to read your retarded rantings and ravings. over 15 years ago, the Black Panthers vowed on the Morton Downey Jr. show that they would be on every overpass, every tall building and hidden in strategic locations and snipe every white person in sight. So far, only two negroes had the balls to carry out that plan and we know what happened to them. That's unity for ya, ain't it? Fucking idiot.

You ain't shit, Nmurinate because you have no ideas, you have no solutions, and you don't even believe in your own people or you wouldn't say that developing a viable black infrastructure in major cities would serve no purpose--you have to start somewhere in the process of seeking independence from systematically racist institutions, you moron. You're a fucking idiot--who the hell do you think the black causus interacts with in order to achieve what they are trying to do? Spike Lee? Kweize Mfume? Jessie Jackson? Al Sharpton? Hell no--they interact with members of congress, members of the senate, yeah, white people. White people that are in positions of power to help the black cause.

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I stated why I thought "the problem" was not COMPLETELY and, hence, properly identified. Some READING COMPREHENSION instead of Knee-Jerk or "Knock"-Knee was in order. I said:


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Grants for education, tax breaks, etc. alone without systematic, institutional, structural changes pretty much becomes just another version of what people think Reparations As Cash Checks to individuals would be... Short Lived and of little (collective) enduring transforming effect.


Nope, once again, you may have stated the problem, you may have even stated the end process but you haven't stated one damn idea as to how we are supposed to achieve independence and self-sufficiency. You haven't even come up with an idea as to how we, as a race, can stop giving our dollars away to these racist institutions, and stop being in debt to these racist institutions--owing almost as much money as we are asking for in the funding of reparations.

Here is what black people need to be focused on, first, even before begging for reparations:

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Regarding his critics, Cosby said, "You can get anybody to stand and say where the wrong is coming from and how the wrong is doing us wrong. Bill Cosby is saying we are a strong people. We need to stop it."
And I'm saying, we need to start it. We need to start being embarrassed about what is happening in our communities. We need to start valuing our families, our children, our neighborhoods and our schools so they don't become prizes that go to the lowest bidder with the best proposal.


Damn, you're so fucking simple-minded, Nmurinate, it's a wonder you don't put your panties on over your baggy jeans when you dress yourself in the morning or does yo mama help you with that? You have officially been Punk'd, Nmurinate, by the one, the only, IRONHORSE--there are many imitators but only one originator.
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I hope you got your money's worth...

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...you worthless, spineless, dickless, panty liner-wearing, sniveling, two-faced, talking out of both sides of your mouth, pseudo-intellectual, hard-headed, dim-witted, immature, shiftless, complacent, homosexual tendencies having, novelty store negro ass son of a bitch.
That's worth how much?

Hmm... and let's see? My very question to you would be, in essence, how would the things you've mentioned be MAINTAINED and protect against WHITE BACKLASH. Your answer was: SILENCE!

Now shut the fuck up!!
Don't cry to me because you can't answer the question posed to you. You kept trying to avoid it with your STRAW MEN, No Man...

Let's take this back a second. You said:
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You know, what is so fucking ridiculous is the fact that, first of all, all this debating over reparations is irrefutably unnecessary since reparations will never happen...
Then what the fuck are you still taking for? lol

What the fuck was your thread for? Some RIDICULOUSLY UNNECESSARY talk about your "Ideal"? Your "Ideal" that, again, was based on some DUMBASS premise that the Reparations Movement-Advocates have proposed Reparations as simple cash payments to individuals.

You should start off your comments on things that are accurate, IRON~. That shit was NOT. And it is some old regurgitated shit that's been said time and time again. But, okay... those are all your original views... lol

Original Views that don't say a damn thing.
Revitalize The Black Community = WHAT? HOW?

Hmm... I didn't see any details from you. Seems as if you really don't have a fuckin' clue. And I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:

"...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself..."

Anyway... given how much you used your STRAW MAN argument ("It sounds militant and separatist", "Every White person isn't your enemy".... STUPID SHIT, ALL) there is no reason for me to be inclined to do anything other than show you, again, the things I said that you just have no answer for:

"To me, it makes no sense to work for Reparations and not contemplate how to reduce Black people's exposure to basically the same RACIST INSTITUTIONS that caused the need for Reparations and have delayed the acquisition of Reparations for so long. You know, carry on more or less like Business As Usual as if there isn't going to be a RACIST RE-ACTION or attempt to backdoor obstructions and obstacles to Black people trying to make the best use out of Reparations."

sad And all your little comments show how it's so hard for you to contemplate and even think about how to deal with the impending RACIST RE-ACTION. You know you did say, "for every action..." Hmm... Now you punk ass wants to cry because you don't have an answer. sad

I guess if we ask nicely "Whitey" won't attempt to, as they say, "Roll Back The Gains"...

Apparently, you seem to think when and if "Whitey" grants then "Whitey" we act honorably throughout the whole process. Seems to me you have a delusional view of "Whitey". Apparently you think "Whitey" will be your friend if you act "right". You know, don't make it seem like you're saying "fuck you".

Note again, "Whitey" already thinks, promotes and propagandize Reparations as being a scam and a big attempt to "fuck" him.


Hmmm....

I said nothing about "Whitey" not being involved. I've merely stipulated to us having the foresight/vision to stipulate how "Whitey" should be involved instead of "Whitey" directing how Reparations will be spent, what will be availed to us, etc.

...it seems you would rather circumscribe the way we employ/implement Reparations around things that won't make "Whitey" mad...


And I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:

"...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself..."


Yes, I can play... But can you?
Will you CRY the whole way through?
Will you avoid the big ass holes in your logic?
Will you pretend you've detailed some by just saying:

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The point is to rebuild or, in many cases, build an infrastructure in the black community--education, black entreprenuership, a viable black political base, and revitalize the black community.
Little if any of that says anything about HOW any of that will be done let alone MAINTAINED. So, STFU until you can deal...
Nmaginate: "Yap, yap, yap, my ego is bruised and I can't stop falling...Yap, yap, yap."

"I'm resorting to throwing insults to make up for the fact that I don't have any ideas. I'm too busy sucking the dicks of dead black leaders...yap, yap, yap, yap....."



"I'm mad as hell because a newbie is smarter than me and doesn't want to be on my side..yap, yap, yap, yap...."

It looks to me like you're the one doing all the crying, Nmurinate:

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Ooohhh!! You called me "inconsiderate"...
I'm so sadden.

Ooohhh!! You called me "arrogant"...
I'm so madden.

Ooohhh!! You called me "tactless"...
I'm just so hurt.

NOW WHAT??


You're a big fucking baby.
YOU MAKE NO SENSE, NMAGINATE. YOU'RE RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES, CHASING YOUR OWN TAIL, NMAGINATE. YOU HAVE NO IDEAS, NMAGINATE. YOU HAVE NO LIFE, NMAGINATE.

Stop crying because you can't come up with any ideas on how to lead.
The more you post responses, Nmaginate, the less sense you make becasue you quote more and more of what I said instead of answering my challenges and coming up with any ideas of your own.
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You know, what is so fucking ridiculous is the fact that, first of all, all this debating over reparations is irrefutably unecessary since reparations will never happen



Iron,

Your the slave that conditioned yourself to be comfortable with the chains. You were convinced that emancipation would never happen. Unfortunately for you it did, and now your left with a psycotic mentality. You're left with the mentality that emancipation or reparations will only make the Black condition worse.

We can't read, we can't write, we can't unite, so what will we do with our freedom? This is the question that your fathers asked Harriet Tubman when she pleaded with the to flea their condition. This is the reason Nat Turner didn't invite your fathers to his meetings.


Even still today the pathetic psycophath descendants are still saying things like

If we were a people that were truly unified and prepared to transcend, perhaps I would put some shades on and throw my fist up but if Ray Ray, Tyrone, Sharquita and Tisha down the street can't get along--if James and Tawana across town can't get along--if Pookie man shot Terell over 50 cents, how do you expect all of us, as a "nation" to act as one and overcome our oppressors?

I've come to grips with the fact that emancipation wasn't for everybody, so neither will reparations be. If reparations is not for you, then please stay out of the meetings unless your going to contribute things other than

By the way, while you're gearing up to overcome our oppressors you better get ready to seek out the decendants of the blacks that owned their own people, and beat them down. Oh yeah, and when you sail on the ship back to the motherland, you better have enough bullets and bombs to take on the decendants of the Africans that sold our ancestors to the Spanish, British, and Dutch to begin with


Stay a slave. Keep giving head to the opposition in order to stay in his good graces. But expect the revolution. Expect true African Americans to rebel. Expect the origins of humanity to be dissatisfied with their condition. Expect us to seek what is rightfully ours. They stole the culture, the civilization, and the PEOPLE. EMANCIPATION DID HAPPEN. REPERATIONS WILL HAPPEN.
"I'm worried and concerned. I've been working hard all my life to promote the cause of integration. Now that integration is beginning to happen...have I led my people to join a sinking ship?" - MLK
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When Martin Luther King made that statement, he was referring to idiots like you, Nmurinate.
OKay. HOW??

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...you're still running around thinking black people are going to walk off of their jobs, run the streets, take their savings out of the bank, buy a ship and make their way back to the motherland.
You FUCKIN' DUMBASS!!

Do you know what a STRAW MAN is?
I've said nor have I suggested anything of the such:

I said nothing about "Whitey" not being involved. I've merely stipulated to us having the foresight/vision to stipulate how "Whitey" should be involved instead of "Whitey" directing how Reparations will be spent, what will be availed to us, etc.

DUMBASS IronHorse... There is no way you can MAINTAIN your bullshit ass STRAW MAN argument because the things I've actually said are not consistent with the views you attribute to me. That last quote of yours was the most IDIOTIC bullshit every written on AA.org.

Upon what did you make that assumption?
Upon what do you make that accusation?

Read the bold statement about "Whitey" again.
There is no "take money out bank and get on ship" clause in anything I have said. DUMBASS!!

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...over 15 years ago, the Black Panthers vowed on the Morton Downey Jr. show that they would be on every overpass, every tall building and hidden in strategic locations and snipe every white person in sight. So far, only two negroes had the balls to carry out that plan and we know what happened to them. That's unity for ya, ain't it? Fucking idiot.
What the FUCK are you talking about DUMBASS?

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...you don't even believe in your own people
And I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:

"...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself..."

I guess you really believe in your people, HOUSE NIGGER IRONHORSE. tongue

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...or you wouldn't say that developing a viable black infrastructure in major cities would serve no purpose
Since you use WHITE BOY (il)LOGIC, I will treat you like a 'White Boy'.

QUOTE ME OR STROKE ME!!
Where did I say "developing a viable black infrastructure...would serve no purpose."

I said, my opinion is/was, my analysis suggests that what you've proposed, as-is, will have little or no LASTING/ENDURING EFFECTS and, obviously, has not contemplated WHITE BACKLASH and/or Backdoor obstructions or roll backs.

DUMBASS!!! That's says what you proposed is a "start" but not much else after that or rather will only do so much. There was NO statement from me that said there would be "NO EFFECT" little LYING BITCH!!

And, truth be told, VIABLE BLACK INFRASTRUCTURE is some non-descript shit of yours, I'm sure we all know by OSMOSIS what you think is required and what exactly will make it "viable".

quote:
who the hell do you think the black causus interacts with in order to achieve what they are trying to do? Spike Lee? Kweize Mfume? Jessie Jackson? Al Sharpton? Hell no--they interact with members of congress, members of the senate, yeah, white people.
What the HELL point do you think you're making with all this SHADOW BOXING, IronHorse aka Straw Man/Horse?

quote:
White people that are in positions of power to help the black cause.
Yeah, and they have lend such great help throughout American History and the Black Caucus is really getting things done in the Black Community (REPARATIONS included) with the great help of those "Good White People".

DUMBASS IronHorse! You make the stupidest statements.

You should first start (somewhere!) by not assuming that you even have a concept about what I think. This dumb shit about "militancy, separatism, and getting on ships" only reflect on your "House Niggerisms" or something to where you just can't deal with what's presented. So, instead you have to concoct some bullshit your dumbass jumps to (unfounded) conclusions about... all for your STRAW MAN purposes, No Man! (i.e. one who lacks testicles)

You still have to explain how it was that your Punk ASS was trying to posture like my initial post said the same (exact) thing you did.
quote:
The more you post responses, Nmaginate, the less sense you make becasue you quote more and more of what I said instead of answering my challenges and coming up with any ideas of your own.
Dude, you're not even ready.

You can't even deal with the limits of your own views and things inherently problematic within it. And really what you've said amounts to shit because you don't even believe "in your people" or their "cause". Proof comes in your statement: REPARATIONS WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

You're not ready. You know you're not ready when you have to resort to incessant Straw Man argumentation to try to defend your beliefs. Beliefs you know are weak; hence your HOUSE NIGGER = FEAR statement.

You know you're not ready when you try to indict me for not doing something you yourself have not done: Provide specifics - the How To's.

Again:
I said nothing about "Whitey" not being involved. I've merely stipulated to us having the foresight/vision to stipulate how "Whitey" should be involved instead of "Whitey" directing how Reparations will be spent, what will be availed to us, etc.

Until you're ready to deal with that, I suggest you shut your cyber-hole.

I'll pull one of your numbers since you're in need of some remedial education. Tell me, research the form of democracy South Africa has and constrast it to American "democracy".

Let me know when your DUMBASS is ready to report your findings to the class.
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YOU MAKE NO SENSE, NMAGINATE. YOU'RE RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES, CHASING YOUR OWN TAIL, NMAGINATE. YOU HAVE NO IDEAS, NMAGINATE. YOU HAVE NO LIFE, NMAGINATE.
Yeah and because I have "no ideas" that's why your PUNK ASS is crying here.

scream REPARATIONS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! scream

I guess I should start calling you MAXWELL (Not-So)SMART. All your messages (when contradicted or challenged) have this uncanny self-perpetrated tendency to SELF-DESTRUCT.

You make a thread about Reparations then when challenged say, "well, ain't no use in talking about it. It's not going to happen." But you DUMBASS started the thread. Go figure!!

sad Fuckin' little BITCH kid. Now you want to Take Your Ball And Go Home because Nmag doesn't "play" like you want him. sad
sleep

You definately need some pussy, Nmaginate--you're so sexually frustrated, your balls probably look like two little suffocating Smurfs.

You keep asking questions to subjects I've already answered. You keep sidetracking away from the fact that you have no ideas.

YOU LOST td6 .

THE END thanks.
HeruStar, your response didn't make any sense. Were you somehow trying to creatively lead into what I said with that metaphorical garbage you just wrote?

It's obvious we don't agree on this issue and it doesn't make any sense to keep bouncing back with ignorant remarks because we don't agree.

The national deficit is currently over 7.7 trillion dollars and climbing. it's been calculated that every single American owes the country somewhere around $26,000 give or take a few hundred dollars. If reparations is going to get funded by anyone, it's going to be funded by the middleast, since around 40% of that debt is owed to them.

The only "slaves" in this forum is you, HeruStar, and your sexually frustrated friend, Nmaginate. All of this talk of independence and self-sufficiency but no mention of how to revitalize and empower the black community. You have to crawl before you can walk.

I don't know about you two but I'm more concerned about educating our people, making them economically viable, valuing ourselves and each other, then worry about how we are going to become independent of systematically racist institutions and self-sufficient of a white dominated society later.

If that isn't important to you then what the hell should be? Be realistic about black America instead of painting this picture of some Zulu nation of warriors--waiting for the right moment to pounce on our oppressors and overcome them.

Both of you, especially you, HeruStar, sound like you're reading comic books--worry about things you can control, like giving back to the community instead of overcoming "whitey." If we worry about improving ourselves, instead of expecting someone to pay us back, everything will fall into place in due time.

Like my great grandmama always said, "Before the end of time the bottom rail will come to the top."
quote:
Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
HeruStar, your response didn't make any sense. Were you somehow trying to creatively lead into what I said with that metaphorical garbage you just wrote?

It's obvious we don't agree on this issue and it doesn't make any sense to keep bouncing back with ignorant remarks because we don't agree.

The national deficit is currently over 7.7 trillion dollars and climbing. it's been calculated that every single American owes the country somewhere around $26,000 give or take a few hundred dollars. If reparations is going to get funded by anyone, it's going to be funded by the middleast, since around 40% of that debt is owed to them.

The only "slaves" in this forum is you, HeruStar, and your sexually frustrated friend, Nmaginate. All of this talk of independence and self-sufficiency but no mention of how to revitalize and empower the black community. You have to crawl before you can walk.

I don't know about you two but I'm more concerned about educating our people, making them economically viable, valuing ourselves and each other, then worry about how we are going to become independent of systematically racist institutions and self-sufficient of a white dominated society later.

If that isn't important to you then what the hell should be? Be realistic about black America instead of painting this picture of some Zulu nation of warriors--waiting for the right moment to pounce on our oppressors and overcome them.

Both of you, especially you, HeruStar, sound like you're reading comic books--worry about things you can control, like giving back to the community instead of overcoming "whitey." If we worry about improving ourselves, instead of expecting someone to pay us back, everything will fall into place in due time.

Like my great grandmama always said, "Before the end of time the bottom rail will come to the top."


Hello IRONHORSE,

.....and the information you have expressed is indeed valid. More so than not, Black people need to clean up their own house before condemning others.

...and speaking of reparations, in addition to the realities that you have expressed that are indeed valid, Black people have used their position of influence to break-up the Black family structure for profit. This practice of separating parents from their children, and siblings from other siblings, was supposed to have ended with the abolishment of slavery.

....but Oh Well, the greed, sleaze, and incompetence of some of the Black middle class, and/or elite, to make money by any means necessary,

....any means necessary as applied to making a dishonest livelihood even at the expense of being ethical, means that Black people shall also be held accountable for their own contribution to the vestibule of slavery, and/or enslavement of Black people, duing contemporary times.

Be it the individual, a group of individuals, an organization, a consortium of organizations, whether Caucasian owned or controlled, or otherwise, no rational minded person, group of individuals, or for that matter any corporate entity are going to accept complete financial responsibility for the ills and compensation due to the victims of enslavement when they have not been the only perpetrators.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
quote:
I don't know about you two but I'm more concerned about educating our people, making them economically viable, valuing ourselves and each other, then worry about how we are going to become independent of systematically racist institutions and self-sufficient of a white dominated society later.



I struck through the B.S.

Indeed you responded like a true slave.


giveup


You can stay a HOUSENIGGA Razz
..and, HeruStar, you will always remain on my list of sorry ass negroes with a bruised ego, right along with LimDem, Vox, Nmaginate, kevin41, and AudioGuy. td6

...but so far, only you, HeruStar, and Nmaginate are the only ones that made the list for clueless field niggers.

I just about busted my left nut laughing at this gay ass shit you said, HeruStar:

quote:
Oh yeah, and don't wear straw hats like me, unless you're a serious risk taker.


What do you mean by "risk taker," HeruStar? That's terminology I've only heard faggits use on one of those flaming gay shows like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."

"I'm a risthe' taker--look at my straw hat." laugh lol ek

It's so blatantly obvious that you're still wet behind the ears--a wannabe cassanova but you fall miserably short. You thought you knew women huh, with that five senses trash you were talking about?

Well, what was this backtracking bullshit all about, HeruStar--explaining to Rowe why you are clueless--that you actually don't have your finger on the pulse of what women want?

quote:
Rowe
I thought he was stating the obvious when he made those comments. But apparently not according to your experiences.


Duh, numbnuts. "DUhhh, but Rowe, but Rowe, I thought....." lol

Here's what's cracking me up about a dime store Don Juan like you, HeruStar:

quote:
I walk the way I do, FOR A WOMAN. I cut my hair, FOR A WOMAN. I shave, FOR A WOMAN. Whatevery THEY like, you best believe Ima do. A man that says otherwise is the one hiding in the closet. THEY turn heads all the time. I DO TO. Mix my Alpha Mentality with some nice fittin's, and skurp (they hittin' the breaks). I don't know when the last time I had to build the nerve to approach a woman. Shux, lately I've been trippin' off of womens pick up lines... ({stops dead in her trax} oh my god...{talking to her friend} he is so beautiful) (my numbers in your pocket)and the latest (So... when are you going to call me?)


"Whatevery THEY like, you best believe Ima do." BAAAAAAAA HA HA HA--Okay, Mike Tyson cabbage

With all that FOR A WOMAN, shit you were talking, I was expecting to read, "I switch my hips FOR A WOMAN, I shave my legs FOR A WOMAN, I wear panties FOR A WOMAN." BAAAAAA HA HA HA HAH A HA HA HA HA HA!!!

*Holding back tears of laughter* Okay, okay--waitaminute, waitaminute--I ain't NEVER heard a nigga talk THIS MUCH bullshit and have the gall to come at me with this high school shit:

quote:
Mix my Alpha Mentality with some nice fittin's, and skurp (they hittin' the breaks). I don't know when the last time I had to build the nerve to approach a woman. Shux, lately I've been trippin' off of womens pick up lines... ({stops dead in her trax} oh my god...{talking to her friend} he is so beautiful)


You sound like the most arrogant, delusional, country ass, Waffle House loving (What the fuck is "Fittin's" and "Shux" and "Skurp?"), low class, self-absorbed, ostentatious, Pompous, bombastic, fallacy of a negro I've ever come across, and MBM had the gall to call me arrogant?
thanks lol Eek td6 wel

First you put up a pic of yourself, looking like a gay sailor--wearing white jeans and a white tanktop with a stupid smirk on your face, and an S-CURL, hightop fade--now you're talking about wearing straw hats? Let's see--I'm picturing you in that homo looking white tank top with those loose white jeans and a straw hat--how gay is that shit? Toot, Toot!! Get ready for the Sparticus gay cruise!! Toot, Toot!! thanks laugh thanks
Obviously, the only one CLUELESS here is you IRONHORSE...

"Your ideals are a little bit too militant and separatist sounding for my taste..." says the CLUELESS self-conscious HOUSE-NEGRO.

"Every black man isn't your friend and every white man isn't your enemy."
says one CLUELESS, Straw Man erecting motherfucka!

Ah... but the true tell of a CLUELESS bitch is the contradictory things she will say out of her many insecure ways to feel good about herself.

We went from you saying:
How is what you quoted any different from what I said at the begining of this discussion...?

To you spazzing:
REPARATIONS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!

...the Black Panthers vowed... [to] snipe every white person in sight... only two negroes had the balls to carry out that plan... That's unity for ya, ain't it?

...it's impossible, in this day and age, for any race of people, especially a bunch of back-biting, crab-hearted race of people like us , to make any kind of progress without the aid of people from another race


So it's obvious you got some fucking issues.
You know, especially after saying something like that, you can't hide behind your PROJECTION:
    "You don't even believe in your own people."
DUMBASS!!! A "separatist", as you have more or less labeled me (out of all people), can hardly be confused or construed as someone who doesn't believe in his people. A "separatist", by definition, would be the epitome of a BELIEVER. Why would a "separatist" propose to "separate" if he did not believe in his people's ability to make it?

And I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:
    "...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself...
TRUER words from you have never been spoken. Obviously, that psychosis of yours is what has you formulating these curious axioms:

  • ...it's impossible, in this day and age, for any race of people... to make any kind of progress without the aid of people from another race.

  • Education, in itself, is liberating--where you obtain your education is irrelevent , it's what you do with that education that counts.

    IRONHORSE, you are one CLUELESS, dumbass self-loathing, self-conscious HOUSE NEGRO. None of that shit you said makes any logical, in touch with any kind of history or reality type of sense.


    I love it when you BITCHES Cry... It's all so funny! cabbage
  • quote:
    What do you mean by "risk taker," HeruStar? That's terminology I've only heard faggits use on one of those flaming gay shows like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."

    "I'm a risthe' taker--look at my straw hat."

    It's so blatantly obvious that you're still wet behind the ears--a wannabe cassanova but you fall miserably short. You thought you knew women huh, with that five senses trash you were talking about?

    Well, what was this backtracking bullshit all about, HeruStar--explaining to Rowe why you are clueless--that you actually don't have your finger on the pulse of what women want?


    quote:
    Rowe
    I thought he was stating the obvious when he made those comments. But apparently not according to your experiences.


    Duh, numbnuts. "DUhhh, but Rowe, but Rowe, I thought....."

    Here's what's cracking me up about a dime store Don Juan like you, HeruStar:


    quote:
    I walk the way I do, FOR A WOMAN. I cut my hair, FOR A WOMAN. I shave, FOR A WOMAN. Whatevery THEY like, you best believe Ima do. A man that says otherwise is the one hiding in the closet. THEY turn heads all the time. I DO TO. Mix my Alpha Mentality with some nice fittin's, and skurp (they hittin' the breaks). I don't know when the last time I had to build the nerve to approach a woman. Shux, lately I've been trippin' off of womens pick up lines... ({stops dead in her trax} oh my god...{talking to her friend} he is so beautiful) (my numbers in your pocket)and the latest (So... when are you going to call me?)



    "Whatevery THEY like, you best believe Ima do." BAAAAAAAA HA HA HA--Okay, Mike Tyson

    With all that FOR A WOMAN, shit you were talking, I was expecting to read, "I switch my hips FOR A WOMAN, I shave my legs FOR A WOMAN, I wear panties FOR A WOMAN." BAAAAAA HA HA HA HAH A HA HA HA HA HA!!!

    *Holding back tears of laughter* Okay, okay--waitaminute, waitaminute--I ain't NEVER heard a nigga talk THIS MUCH bullshit and have the gall to come at me with this high school shit:


    quote:
    Mix my Alpha Mentality with some nice fittin's, and skurp (they hittin' the breaks). I don't know when the last time I had to build the nerve to approach a woman. Shux, lately I've been trippin' off of womens pick up lines... ({stops dead in her trax} oh my god...{talking to her friend} he is so beautiful)


    You sound like the most arrogant, delusional, country ass, Waffle House loving (What the fuck is "Fittin's" and "Shux" and "Skurp?"), low class, self-absorbed, ostentatious, Pompous, bombastic, fallacy of a negro I've ever come across, and MBM had the gall to call me arrogant?


    First you put up a pic of yourself, looking like a gay sailor--wearing white jeans and a white tanktop with a stupid smirk on your face, and an S-CURL, hightop fade--now you're talking about wearing straw hats? Let's see--I'm picturing you in that homo looking white tank top with those loose white jeans and a straw hat--how gay is that shit? Toot, Toot!! Get ready for the Sparticus gay cruise!! Toot, Toot!!



    Reparations td6
    You lose Razz
    I tried to ignore it but here's a list of logical fallacies you've committed since you've been on this site:

    argumentum ad ignorantiam
    Arguments of this form assume that since something has not been proven false, it is therefore true. Conversely, such an argument may assume that since something has not been proven true, it is therefore false.

    argumentum ad baculum
    The reader is told that unpleasant consequences will follow
    if they do not agree with the author

    argumentum ad consequentiam
    The author points to the disagreeable consequences of
    holding a particular belief in order to show that this belief is
    false.

    Prejudicial Language
    Loaded or emotive terms are used to attach value or moral
    goodness to believing the proposition.

    Changing the subject

    argumentum ad hominem
    The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the
    argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the
    person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked.
    Alternatively, it may be pointed out that a person stands to
    gain from a favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be
    attacked by association, or by the company he keeps.

    this list goes on and on
    Appeal to Authority
    Anonymous Authority
    Style over Substance
    Hasty Generalization
    Unrepresentative Sample
    Slothful induction
    Straw Man
    Post Hoc
    Wrong Direction
    Complex Cause
    Irrelevant Conclusion


    For a guy boasting about receiving a Master's Degree you sure don't make alot of sense. Your logic is horrible. If you had an ounce of integrity then you'd probably be taken serious, but every single word that you type has one purpose and one purpose only, that is the contradict the last word you typed.

    Dude you're pathetic.
    So keep committing your fallacies and showing your intelligence. It's fun to watch. What are you going to do now, bring a post from the Sista's Spot into Reparations, somehow miraculously tying the two together to make sense within your pyschotic mind?
    Here's what's cracking me the fuck up about both you, HeruStar, and this idiot, Nmaginate:

    I'm the so-called ignorant one but you two are the ones wearing yourselves out trying to follow me--caught up in my turbulence because both of you are suffering from bruised egos. Thank you for entertaining me--tap dancing away on a wooden floor covered in salt--thanks, FIELD NIGGERS! thanks laugh thanks
    quote:
    you two are the ones wearing yourselves out trying to follow me--

    bump


    Big Grin "Follow you" Big Grin

    Now that's funny!!
    Yeah, when somebody says a bunch DUMB shit about "Whitey" ("Every White person is not your enemy", e.g.) they're so hard to follow! bsm
    Oh, come on, Nmaginate, don't stop responding with long-winded responses now--oh wait, I forgot--90% of what you wrote was only quotations of what I had already said--the rest, on your behalf, was just slanderous comments and insults out of frustration of not having any ideas of your own.

    Underneath all the colorful text, the stupid ass graemlin faces, and all the overblown, boldface text, there is nothing there to read but a bunch of irrelevent, moot, trivial bullshit.

    quote:
    "This is what N'COBRA said......"


    Fuck what N'COBRA said--you ain't got no constructive ideas of your own, which, by your own definition, means you can't hang in a real debate.Both of you are some clowns indeed.The real lesson is about to come....
    And I'll keep quoting because you aren't worth the time not to mention you haven't said anything worthy of any further discussion from me.

    quote:
    DUMBASS!!! A "separatist", as you have more or less labeled me (out of all people), can hardly be confused or construed as someone who doesn't believe in his people. A "separatist", by definition, would be the epitome of a BELIEVER. Why would a "separatist" propose to "separate" if he did not believe in his people's ability to make it?
    Now that you've finally shut the fuck up, Nmaginate, because you know you have no ideas, I'll proceed with continuing to shut your ignorant ass down. You are, indeed, a separatist, Nmaginate--if you believe in your people you wouldn't have said developing a viable black sociopolitical infrastructure in major cities wouldn't serve a purpose, let alone ensure the success of independence and self-sufficiency.

    When I referred to blacks needing to educate themselves, you responded by saying, "whose education?" Who the fuck education did you think it was going to be? The same education that has empowered blacks since the first days black people had to hide in ditches, church basements, and storm cellars--the same education that empowered every prominent black in the history of the United States.

    I already know what you're thinking in that feable mind of yours, "The textbooks in schools give misleading information on black involvement in the history of the United States and...." Yeah, yadda, yadda, yadda. I've heard that power to the people bullshit over and over again.

    Firstly, a public education is just the tip of the iceburg. Secondly, if more socially conscious black teachers (or more black teachers period) worked in public schools, they could take it upon themselves to either replace, and or supplement current textbooks with more multi-culturally sound textbooks, which leads back to my original discussion.

    If more black administrators were in public schools (black administrators that supported the needs of the school over appeasing students and parents), Those black teachers would be able to secure the necessary materials needed to educate black students as well as enlighten students of other races to black contributions to society--not just during black history month but every day of the school year. That, indeed would help in the cause of further dispeling the ignorance of racism.

    You love to hug Martin Luther King Jr's nuts so let me quote a little something, Dr. King said:

    quote:
    And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last!


    That doesn't sound like anyone that wants to achieve independence from racist institutions. This is what achieving independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions sounds like to me: running away from racism. Our goal should be eliminating racism, not running away from it. People like Martin Luther King Jr., Thurgood Marshall, as well as, Autherine Lucy, among many, many others, didn't risk or lose their lives confronting institutionalized racism so that idiots like you would think that running away would serve a purpose.

    A few years ago, Tavis Smiley reported on the Tom Joyner Morning Show that he intercepted a memo from KATZ radio that was, indeed, racially biased. The memo stated to the effect that it would be unecessary to provide black ads to black listeners even though the a significant number of their audience were black.

    To make a long story short, after Tavis used the resources of Tom Joyner's show to apply pressure the the executives at KATZ, the decision was reached not only to air more afrocentric ads but also to hire more blacks in positions of authority in KATZ. Of course, a short-sighted loser like you, Nmaginate, wouldn't see the value in the accomplishment Tavis and Tom made because you want to run away from racist institutions.

    You represent the complacent, self-righteous thought of blacks that don't understand the holistic purpose of what Dr. King and Thurgood Marshall saught to accomplish--having pride off of the backs of our predecessors to the point of thinking that black people have the same integrity and unity as they did back in civil rights days to push onward and upward toward the light--that simply isn't true.

    We may be God's first children--we may have transcended and overcome a lot of trials and tribulations but we, most certainly, are losing if not lost our way, which is why Dr. King made this profound statement:

    quote:
    "I'm worried and concerned. I've been working hard all my life to promote the cause of integration. Now that integration is beginning to happen...have I led my people to join a sinking ship?" - MLK
    quote:
    I'll drop a little knowledge on you. ironhorse

    You are a regular Eddie Murphy.

    quote:
    "Holocaust time". ironhorse

    Could you maybe give me an approximate time period of maybe 3-4 years? You did mention "just before" WW2. Hitler was killing Jews all through the war. Up until the very end of it as a matter of fact.

    quote:
    It was due to one Japanese governmental official (that would make it easy to name this single individual) that single-handedly forged thousands of passports for the escaping Jews so that they may enter Japan, and thereby sail to a Dutch settled island(what island are you talking about, owned by the Dutch that is off the coast of Japan?).
    ironhorse


    quote:
    Why did the Japanese agree to help the Jews? Because Rabbis convinced Japanese governmental officials that after the Nazis were through exterminating the Jews they (the Japanese) would be next to be exterminated due to the fact that the Nazis' plan was to populate the world with a blue-eyed, blonde-haired super race.


    That's a stretch ironhores (have you seen the Incredilbes? I am going to start calling you Elasti-Girl). I believe this is a figment of your imagination, why would; or how could a high ranking Japanese government official be able to pull this off? At the time Japan was a monarchy, the person trying to get away with this would be committing treason, in effect helping the enemies of a country that his home country was at war with.

    quote:
    "The reason why the Japanese and the Jews had a relationship to begin with was because the Japanese needed funding to fight the Russians. No one would fund the Japanese but a Jewish banker in New York (Who is this mystery New York Jewish banker? And now you claim an American citizen was helping the Japanese). The Jewish banker agreed to fund the Japanese because, at the time, the Russians was (were) giving the Jews a very hard time.


    This is gettin frustrating at this point. On the surface your attempt to rationalize your argument sounds sophomoric and immature... "The Russians were giving the Jews "a hard time"...? Are you serious? I hardly doubt you will be able to prove your arguments; because I know / and you know that little spiel was complete bull.
    And ironhorse, this is a place 4 honest and sensible discourse.
    Why all the name calling?

    You are the one who looks half gay on your avater.

    I don't want to look at a half naked bald niggah trying to show off his abs.

    You aint buff, what are you about 5'5?

    Just stop it midget.
    quote:
    Originally posted by blaqfist:
    And ironhorse, this is a place 4 honest and sensible discourse.
    Why all the name calling?

    You are the one who looks half gay on your avater.

    I don't want to look at a half naked bald niggah trying to show off his abs.

    You aint buff, what are you about 5'5?

    Just stop it midget.



    **DAMN....the schit he says is indicative of one with a napoleonic complex......good observation blaqfist...and as so far as the picture....i'll leave that one alone... Frown
    quote:
    I already know what you're thinking in that feable mind of yours
    Obviously you don't and never will... DUMBASS!!

    You quoted "I Have A Dream"... What a fuckin' idiot!

    quote:
    This is what achieving independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions sounds like to me: running away from racism. Our goal should be eliminating racism, not running away from it.
    Well, when you Listen To Those VOICES You've Created In Your Own Head you're subject to hear and things are subject to sound any old way to you. Fuckin' COWARD!!

    There is absolutely NO RUN principle in what I said and definitely not what I think. I just happened to correct your flawed and fraudulent thinking about what a "separatist" believes in terms of how much faith, belief and trust a "separatist" has in his people.

    You have labeled me a "separatist" but there is nothing I have actually said nor anything I believe that is about "separatism" -- definitely the way your STRAW MAN Ass wants to describe me. Note: STRAW MAN in this case = you made up some dumb shit because you can't handle the real and true things I have said.

    Face it, you jumped your happy ass to some conclusions that you can't substantiate and you're attempting to attack my position for which you have no defense... except to LIE and say my position is something you want it to be.

    BTW, this axiom of yours does not work:
    Education, in itself, is liberating--where you obtain your education is irrelevent , it's what you do with that education that counts.

    quote:
    ...the same education that empowered every prominent black in the history of the United States.
    Now think about that for a second... Martin Luther King Jr., Thurgood Marshall, etc. were educated in what? SEGREGATED schools? or schools like contemporary, so-called Integrated schools?

    Which SAME EDUCATION are you talking about?

    quote:
    We may be God's first children--we may have transcended and overcome a lot of trials and tribulations but we, most certainly, are losing if not lost our way, which is why Dr. King made [the] profound statement [Nmag introduced in this thread]...

    Try to twist all you must but there is no way you can make the meaning of that statement (Dream Speech HORSY) into something that indicts us as a people. Yours is not an HONEST nore even logical reading (interpretation) of what MLK said, literally or otherwise:
      "I'm worried and concerned. I've been working hard all my life to promote the cause of integration. Now that integration is beginning to happen...have I led my people to join a sinking ship?" - MLK
    The KEY Fuckin' PHRASE = "have I led my people", not have my people fallen short or stepped in their own quicksand of complacency, self-righteousness, vice or whatever the FUCK you want to concoct. The meaning of the statement is clear. The concern, worry, apprehension therein... UNDENIABLE. Deal with it Mr. DISSONANCE!

    Don't try to think your Johnny Comely Lately Ass is going to reinterpret his CLEAR and DIRECT statement into meaning something that coincides with your fucked up, unjustifiable ideology.

    And you had the nerve to talk about "debating honestly" when you Popcorn Ass has done nothing here but try your best to Make Shit Up hoping that you could forego your own misery.

    You have no honor.

    Fabricating shit about me is one thing but bastardizing clear ass quotes from MLK as if they say shit that aligns with your Cracker Jack beliefs because of the DISSONANCE your self-consciously HOUSY ass is experiencing is beyond the pale.

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    You represent the complacent, self-righteous thought of blacks that don't understand the holistic purpose of what Dr. King and Thurgood Marshall saught to accomplish--having pride off of the backs of our predecessors to the point of thinking that black people have the same integrity and unity as they did back in civil rights days to push onward and upward toward the light--that simply isn't true.
    WTF is that?? Do you like record this stuff and play it back just so you can believe you've actually heard stuff to justify your BS?

    IRONHORSE, you and your demonstrated IGNORANCE and belligerent stupidity here puts you in no position by any stretch of even your imagination to talk about what anybody "understands"...
    He should have kept the avatar w/ him looking like Morpheous.

    In this one he is apparently showing off his more feminine side.

    I can look at the picture and tell he is about 5'6 and about a buck' 80...

    And that is being generous..
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    That's a stretch ironhores (have you seen the Incredilbes? I am going to start calling you Elasti-Girl). I believe this is a figment of your imagination, why would; or how could a high ranking Japanese government official be able to pull this off? At the time Japan was a monarchy, the person trying to get away with this would be committing treason, in effect helping the enemies of a country that his home country was at war with.


    Before I begin, blaqfist, I will make you aware that I never, at any point in time, insult you in any way, shape or form as you so wonderfully did:

    quote:
    Originally posted by blaqfist:
    And ironhorse, this is a place 4 honest and sensible discourse.
    Why all the name calling?

    You are the one who looks half gay on your avater.

    I don't want to look at a half naked bald niggah trying to show off his abs.

    You aint buff, what are you about 5'5?

    Just stop it midget.



    This is why I don't support my discussions with evidence of my source up front: Firstly, it helps me to weed out the ignorant people from the intellectuals. Secondly, I enjoy reading all the ignorant ass responses after I do present the link supporting the statements I make.

    This is why I've always said, since I first came to this site, that people should simply ask for clarification before insulting people. You make yourself look stupid, and, if your ego is easily bruisable, you end up throwing insults all day and all night like, Nmaginate, because you allowed yourself to be made a fool of.

    For now, I'll just drop a little knowledge on you, Blaqfist, and leave you with the name of the "fictitious, high-ranking Japanese government official": Chiune Sugihara.

    Oh, by the way, Blaqfist, clean up the broken pieces of your face off of my forum floor please. Here's a broom and a dust pan.
    *Smoking a Cohiba while lounging in a leather recliner*

    Sometimes, Kevin41, it's much more satisfying to put a fool in his place with intelligence rather than insults.

    You know what, Blaqfist? I wasn't aware that you were paying so close attention to me. You're the third man on this site that has expressed such jealousy in my pictures. I also love it when boys like you can't help but express their jealousy in another man. That, in itself, sounds suspect.

    It's brothers like you, Blaqfist, Vox, Kevin41, and Nmaginate that have indirectly edified me on this site through your expression of jealousy and enviousness. All of you talk about me like you're a cackle of fat, envious women, "Who does that bitch think she is?" which is quite entertaining and hilarious to me.


    Has the embarrassment and humiliation sunk in enough yet, Blaqfist? No? Well, let me just add a little more insult to injury. Lets's move to the next unecessary comment you made:

    [QUOTE]]This is gettin frustrating at this point. On the surface your attempt to rationalize your argument sounds sophomoric and immature... "The Russians were giving the Jews "a hard time"...? Are you serious? I hardly doubt you will be able to prove your arguments; because I know / and you know that little spiel was complete bull.
    [/QUOTE


    You'll have to forgive my eagerness to make you look even more like a fool, Blaqfist. I have provided more of this "fictitious" information you have asked for:

    1904 - 1905
    Russo-Japanese War
    Japan wages war with Russia to strengthen control over resource-rich Manchuria, vital to Japan's growing industrial revolution. To finance the war, Japan secures a $200 million loan through Jewish-American financier Jacob Schiff. The world is stunned as Japan destroys the Russian navy, seizing Port Arthur (present-day Lushun). As a result of the loan, many in Japan draw exaggerated conclusions about the power of the Jewish people.

    That was actually just the begining of a long relationship between the Japanese and the Jews. Maybe I'll come up with some more unbelievable bullshit in the near future so I can continue making you guys look like fools.

    Just one more example to prove you idiots don't know everything--acting like a bunch of arrogant, cocky, small town teenagers looking for some trouble to get into--well you definately found what you're looking for.
    Nmaginate, by supporting the notion of "achieving independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions" you are, in your ignorance and stupidity, admitting you do have separatist beliefs:


    Parallel to the white separatism, there also exists, particularly in the United States, a similarly politically marginal black separatist movement. Black separatists generally hold that whites are racist oppressors of blacks and that there can be no remedy for black advancement within contemporary white-dominated society. They believe that the only solution for blacks is to break away and to create a separate, segregated black society.

    You are in the minority in your thoughts, Nmaginate, as well as your close-minded buddy, Blaqfist. At least Blaqfist has the balls to admit his ignorance--you, Nmaginate are just a confused embecile.
    And you're a dumbass because your bold statement does not characterize what I believe. And I'd like to know when "self-sufficiency" became a bad word.

    As far as being in a minority with my views... I have absolutely no problem with that. I am well aware of where I stand. I have no misery. So I require no company. Nevertheless, DUMBASS my views are not alone.

    FYI, your bold statement (quoted or your own) my more accurately reflect what BLAQFIST believes. As for me supporting the notion of Independence and Self-Sufficiency... I guess your own note is an apt description of your views here:

    "...this [stuff IRONHOUSE is saying] sounds like the house nigger not wanting to see slavery end for fear of having to figure out how to fend for himself...

    So do you really believe the words of a self-conscious HOUSE NEGRO has some value? A LYING, Straw Man making, jumping-to-conclusion, Beliefs Afraid To Confront Illusions... self-conscious HOUSE NEGRO? sck

    For one, THERE ARE NO PARALLELS. By definition, Black "Separatism" is markedly different from White Separatism. SLEIGHT OF HAND LOGIC is employed by those that are Sleight In Intellect and HONESTY. The idea (of a true parallel) is logically and historically inaccurate and inconsistent.

    Further, or more specifically, I don't subscribe to this notion:

    They believe that the only solution for blacks is to break away and to create a separate, segregated black society.

    For you to actually believe that, especially after you've tried to act like you've observed my interactions (and in so doing surveyed my posts), then you really are a LYING MOFO!!

    I also want to know when INDEPENDENCE became a bad word. There is such a thing called the Fourth Of July. I doubt whether your dumbass curse it because it celebrates the creation of a "separate" society.

    Fuckin' half-wit... scream

    quote:
    Black separatists generally hold that whites are racist oppressors of blacks and that there can be no remedy for black advancement within contemporary white-dominated society.
    More proof that you were right about yourself. Only a dumb fuckin' Housy would quote/say something about White-DOMINATED society and not skip a beat. Moreover, I don't subscribe to a "NO REMEDY" ideology.

    Get a fuckin' clue.
    quote:
    And you're a dumbass because your bold statement does not characterize what I believe. And I'd like to know when "self-sufficiency" became a bad word.

    As far as being in a minority with my views... I have absolutely no problem with that. I am well aware of where I stand. I have no misery. So I require no company. Nevertheless, DUMBASS my views are not alone.



    Umm, Nmaginate, you forgot to quote this part of your thread. I think EbonyRose was right when she said:

    quote:
    When will I ever learn to stop banging my head against the brick wall that is your twisted and hallucinagenic logic? --EbonyRose, June 18, 2003 12:55am



    These repeated attempts to insult me are getting painfully redundant and really boring me, Nmaginate. I think this homosexual relationship you have with Kevin41 is also quite telling, from that 2003 thread I read, which is why I think he decided to join in on this little escapade earlier today.


    sleep Wake me up when you Type something worth reading.
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