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Here's my incomplete list (incomplete because space, time and scope of posts/threads hardly allows for one to do justice to something of such magnitude):

  • A Black Administration & Review organ to not only prescribe/implement Reparations but monitor the progress of Reparations.

    The reason for this is two-fold. My ultimate preference or belief about what REPARATIONS is as a concept is about RESTORING Black Self-Determination. Self-Determination through Political and Economic Autonomy.

    One look at how Reparations has been administered to Native Americans (where White American politicians/government have raided their Trusts) and even the complications from the Black Farmers reparations settlement shows that WE better be in control of the process if we want to ensure that we don't get cheated.

    So, all those decisions about WHO QUALIFIES? and WHO GETS HOW MUCH? and What Form Reparations Takes and What Must Be Made Available To Us (Space, for the most part) are, properly understood, only ones we are authorized to make. And in so doing, our own Administration is necessary to accomplish that.

    Also, I believe in Black Control Of Black Taxes with or without Reparations. By definition, a Black governing body is necessary to administer those revenues. Likewise, I believe in a Black Administration or governing body for Reparations itself, with or without BCBT -- Reparations in the sense of actual monetary or material compensation. But, again, the whole of RESTORATION, IMO, combines both the material compensation (money or in-kind) and the Mechanism Of Self-Determination (Lost) -- self-governance.

    Ultimately, my views here are to change our democracy from a [WHITE] Majority Rule "democracy" to a Power Sharing, pluralistic, proportional, CONSOCIATED DEMOCRACY -- i.e. no separatism involved; just constructive engagement, constructive arrangements that lays out How We Will Relate to the larger U.S. gov't proper as functional EQUALS and not a subject(ed) people.

  • Revamping EDUCATION and providing a Quality and Purposed Education for all our people.

    This is major. As a matter of principle, REPARATIONS must be about our most important Liberation Imperative and that's a Liberation Education. That starts with valuing and centering our education K-12 on up around the Black ACADEMY -- i.e. Black Centered, Black Created schools. My reasoning:
      No People Can Expect The Best Out Of Their Youth When They Leave It To Others To Educate Them.
    This is self-evident. There would be no NCLB if there wasn't the so-called Soft Bigotry Of Low-Expectations. One of the hallmarks of segregated schools were, at least then, the Black teachers not only LOVED and DISCIPLINED Black students but were unwavering in the high expectations and belief in their Black students.

    Not only that but the cultural messages that get passed down from generation-to-generation over and above coursework can hardly be communicated and, most importantly, reinforced to the point of understanding without the constant reinforcement in the most formative learning enviroment - the K-12 school experience.

    So, REPARATIONS as properly restorative will be about establishing Black-centered schools, first and foremost. Now that implicates a process. In order to have schools that teach a Liberation Education you have to have teachers who are trained in "Liberation". So, the first order of Reparations geared towards Education would be to raise up a class of Liberation Teachers. In the meantime, certain select cities with Black-centered/African-centered schools can be targeted, fortified and expanded by Reparations funds.

    There are a number of Black-centered Charter Schools that should be replicated, used as models... Incentives to teachers today, of course, can be made for them to contribute regardless to their race. Nevertheless, the curriculum at these schools will be strictly our decision.

    More on the Black Academy...
    Reparations and Liberation demands that we ensure that all our people have meaningful skills. As such, all manner of skills should be taught. I propose a talent identification process where in the K-12 process each student comes away with a functional skill or trade.

    Reparations Project, is essentially and should be (considering what we are owed) a long-term, as in length of time (and money) REBUILDING PROCESS. Just as we have to raise up a new generation of Teachers, we also have to raise up a new generation of Builders. So construction trades, etc. will be part of the K-12 Black Academy...

  • Felon Reorientation

    This is a crucial issues. Special efforts to avert potential and actual Felon and other recidivism must be made. The REPARATIONS Rebuilding Project must also deal with addiction treatment and job/skill training. But given the nature of things, we must have a defined role or place for our Felons to not only make a living (by working) but also contribute to the Rebuilding Project. So, at the very least, our brothers and sisters who just got out of jail must have a job/role waiting for them went they get out or the proper training for a job they can do to support our efforts. That could be in Construction or whatever as we build more and more of our own institutions which requires new buildings...

  • Economic policy and institutions

    This will be an incomplete one from me because I won't pretend to be as informed enough to do this justice. But, at the very least, Black Banking institutions must be established and only they can hold REPARATIONS funds -- i.e. all such "money" goes through them. As such, these Liberation or Reparations BANKS will be able to finance low interest housing and personal loans that no other Bank can match, yet, obviously these loans over the during of the Reparations process will only be for Blacks. These banks can then, also, function as other banks do and lend to whom they will (or can with competitive rates) but the special rates and loans from Reparations will be for Blacks ONLY. (So if a Black person wants to bank elsewhere, that's fine. But via Reparations these Black banks will have the competitive edge and, by definition, this recycles or helps our money make money via interest.)

    Also, our talent and career skill focused Black Academies will also teach all manner of money management and business principles. The purpose there is to Raise Up A Class/Generation of both entrepreneurs and a general Black public with more money Knowledge k-12 to better prepare them and perpetuate us and our Reparations.

    (MORE TO COME)
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    I'll add this articulation by HIREZ here to accentuate the IDEAL (and to say it doesn't have to come from me):

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    ...if I had my way...reperations would unfold in two areas...1) Education & 2) Capitalization the motivation would be driven by the $$ at the end of the tunnel...

    For example...I would immediately use the first installment of reperations to install business schools K TO 12 in all major urban centers of America...they would train aggressively on all topics business related from basic finances to complex accounting, organizational management, and business plan writing...

    Once a student graduated from class with a certain mininum GPA...they would then be eligible to receive a reperations alotment that would A) either pay completely for the secondary education of their choice post graduate and graduate...or B) Alot them a business loan based upon a legitimate business plan...

    What this plan does is empower urban neighborhoods through economics while simultaneously enriching the economic base of America....it limits individuals who would fuck off the money...and motivates individuals who would otherwise not be financially savvy and literate towards that path...
    My Response to HIREZ:

    quote:
    Wed May 25, 2005 7:31 am

    That's an excellent plan. I've thought about a more trade or focus oriented schooling/training K-12 myself, although more broadly, but without the reward scenario which I have no problem with. But I do however feel Reparations would be about building said Academies with such a focused curriculum. I've considered such an approach for various fields -- for teachers, for the sciences/medicine, etc. (Teachers are pivotal, IMO, in order to reproduce and sustain such dynamic academies.)

    To me, revamping and focusing education to try to ensure students come out with a functional, employable skill (or better prep tracked towards a skill area) would be the first order of business.

    To add to that, another idea I previously spoke on here as yet another IDEAL.
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    I think we have to think of innovative ways that make it natural for us to rely on each other. One of those ideas from my notes were to try to get churches to combine their "building fund" money and aspirations to make Interfaith centers to be Faith & Community hubs. They could combine Community Centers along with a number of chapels to accomodate their different congregations and house them all under One Roof, consolidating various functions from Day Care to After School Tutoring, Mentoring, etc. Things like that could get us to the point to where we associate with each other in ways that will hopefully build more trust and, more importantly, understanding where more and more of us can see that a lot of us unequivocally want "the same thing".

    http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/8091076652/r/6371038752#6371038752
    Nmaginate; have you heard of the idea of repatriation? Well in short it is basically going "back to Africa."

    I also think that the rehabilitation of our brothers & sisters who are locked up is vital to our progress. I also believe that America will never have enough jobs for all the white people in this country let alone 35-40 African Americans.

    So what do we do?

    There are numerous African countries on the verge of being economic juggernauts; the South African Development Community is on the verge of doing some great things.

    We need to have alternative approaches and potential solutions to our problems.
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    Ultimately, my views here are to change our democracy from a [WHITE] Majority Rule "democracy" to a Power Sharing, pluralistic, proportional, CONSOCIATED DEMOCRACY -- i.e. no separatism involved; just constructive engagement, constructive arrangements that lays out How We Will Relate to the larger U.S. gov't proper as functional EQUALS and not a subject(ed) people. Nmaginate


    Never going to happen. White people will never give up their collective position of power (willingly at least). It is not natural for people to just give up authority. To be good "for goodness sake" is a myth. We need to start looking for solutions to our problems that don't include white people.
    Dude, who said anything about "WILLINGLY"?

    The whole thing about REPARATIONS is that they won't "willingly" come off of it. So really this "never gonna happen", "they won't do it willingly" is nowhere close to the point.

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    We need to start looking for solutions to our problems that don't include white people.
    Dude. This is a thread about REPARATIONS.

    But thanks for your non-contribution... sck

    And ummm... did you read everything?
    With or without Reparations; with or without what I've proposed there are things that don't require Whites, particularly my third post and the things generally about how to go about educating our own.

    So what are you talking about?

    If you want to propogate your ideology, start you own thread. "NEVER HAPPEN" is not a critique. I invite any ideas, critical or not...

    I mean, seriously... on the other thread you talked about Tax Exemption for 100 years or so. Man, it really doesn't take a lot of thinking on my part to say, "That Will Never Happen." Now, under what pretense did you even propose that if you believe we have to come up with solutions that don't include White people?

    And I submit that speaking about what to do with Reparations, while related, is not the same as Coming Up With (Exhaustive) SOLUTIONS -- which you seem to be, curiously, interjecting here.

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    Nmaginate; have you heard of the idea of repatriation? Well in short it is basically going "back to Africa."
    Oh! This is about your IDEOLOGY. (as I've viewed your post in reverse order).

    Dude, you know we've had these conversations here before. You obviously have a selective memory and/or choose not to know who you're talking to:

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    Well, I don't see those ideas, at their rudimentary levels, as Mutually Exclusive. In fact, that's what my Transitional Plan or idea is all about.

    In terms of a Coordinated, Unified Effort... we all should collectively do our level best to make sure All Of The Above can become a reality.

    Maybe its me. Both philosophies, AMERICA IS OURS and AFRICA IS OUR HOME are both co-equal sentiments I have. I have reconciled them and, for me, I feel it is our collective duty to make both worthwhile and realistic Options for those who prefer one over the other.

    The constant in both of those things is "having our own", IMO. Whether its here or in Africa. I believe the two are indispensible and inextricably tied...

    http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/8091076652/p/2


    You will note, on Page 1 of that thread you mentioned Repatriation. You will also note this recurring theme of yours (as most of our fundamental beliefs are) has long since been introduced to me:

    http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/67970048/p/4

    And you should remember an additional time you brought it up where Vox and I were telling to "Do Your Thing".

    For me, my view of a TRANSITIONAL PLAN is grounded in what's said here:


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    ...I mean we still believe in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's solution as complete separation. [African Americans] should be separated completely from America and should be permitted to go back home to our African homeland which is a long-range program; so the short-range program is that we must eat while we're still here, we must have a place to sleep, we have clothes to wear, we must have better jobs, we must have better education; so that although our long-range political philosophy is to migrate back to our African homeland, our short-range program must involve that which is necessary to enable us to live a better life while we are still here. We must be in complete control of the politics of the so-called Negro community; we must gain complete control over the politicians in the so-called Negro community, so that no outsider will have any voice in the so-called Negro community. We'll do it ourselves.

    http://www.monthlyreview.org/564mx.htm


    Note: I don't categorically subscribe to your hsyterics -- There is no future in the USA for black people.

    And, dude, I have a perfect memory and anyone I engage in a significant discussion (by making a number of posts with) I remember their positions. I would hope you could at least pretend you do too or at least not conveniently feign ignorance just to point to your IDEOLOGY where it does not fit with the discussion.
    My bad.
    I get a little exited.
    I am just fed-up w/ begging, wishing and hoping white folkz to/will change..

    I have moved on.

    I don't think America will ever live up to its creed; "All people are created equal".
    White people will always be more "equal" then us.

    I believe it to be a virtual impossibility. As I have mentioned B4, American caint employ all the white people here, so you no where niggaz fit in.

    I think repatriation is our only hope. Sure a significant number of the highly motivated/educated will get by in sports, entertainment, or who find jobs working for white people, but the masses will be stuck for ever as a "perpetual" under class.
    ...And then, this boy, Nmaginate, up and takes my title too. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HAHA!!!

    Okay, lemme leave you alone, Nmaginate, before you throw another month-long fit.

    I'm going to keep my word and not fuck with you until I go to work on critiquing your,ummmmm, ideas. Oh, by the way, Nmaginate, don't up and edit and re-edite your originally stated ideas--leave em' just like you posted em.'

    Heheheheheheh...
    Dude, critique... fuck with... say whatever the hell you want. I'm down with that. I'm always down with that.

    Silly Rabbit...
    I don't come, I don't seek, I don't request nor do I desire your audience or approval nor am I fazed by anything you have to say. Nevertheless, I completely welcome anything you want to say, any way you want to say it. Curse, laugh, CRY... whatever. Speak your peace, brother.

    You see, this isn't about the silly stuff you're on. You can say just what Blaqfist did and I'm cool. You can say more. You can say "worst". Don't matter to me. However you want to do it. I'm game...

    All I ask is for you to substantiate what you say and make it relevant to the subject matter -- and feel free to add whatever type of Jabs you like in the process. I'm cool with that. Know-what-I-mean? Everything else, will work itself out. That's my motto. And it's always been like that. (And that's the way it is!)

    Somehow, you just don't seem to understand.
    The way we exchanged on your thread, on other ones... the ones where you whine about me "disrespecting" you or whatever... That's the way I get down. "I Like To Play The Dozens"... Mix some Rhetorical Pleasure with Topical/Logical Business.

    So don't keep any words on my account. BRING IT!

    However you like, BRING IT!!
    Just don't whine when I bring mine! cool
    Firstly, Nmaginate

    "Starter Capital" is definitely an ideal that I can me motivated to concur with.

    But "Black control of Black taxes" is a bit harsh IMO. I advocated Black control of the reparations fund, which as I stated should be a reasonable sum substantial enough to create EQUAL opportunities. Black control of taxes that help all Americans doesn't even sit well.

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    Felon Reorientation

    This is a crucial issues. Special efforts to avert potential and actual Felon and other recidivism must be made. The REPARATIONS Rebuilding Project must also deal with addiction treatment and job/skill training. But given the nature of things, we must have a defined role or place for our Felons to not only make a living (by working) but also contribute to the Rebuilding Project. So, at the very least, our brothers and sisters who just got out of jail must have a job/role waiting for them went they get out or the proper training for a job they can do to support our efforts. That could be in Construction or whatever as we build more and more of our own institutions which requires new buildings...


    I'd like to dwell on one concept at a time.

    Felon Reorientation.
    I believe reparations should be an flash explosion for the black community. It should be a START. Something that clicks in there mind, and gives them hope and confidence. How this relates to felon reorientation is National Amnesty. Snap, and there out! The reorientation program should reach out to them and them only. Not the brothers that find there way back into the cell. Otherwise, the incentive is heavily diminished by giving them this 'win whether I'm right or wrong' mentality.
    I think this is your same Idea. I just wasn't sure.

    Amnesty is about the biggest tax cut/break that any President would ever be able to boast of. The Rehabilition/Reorientation program wouldn't be half the price of housing these inmates. Considering the percentage we have incarcerated.

    But like Blaq pointed out, we can't just flood the economy with workers, especially with the unemployment rate the way it is. Repatriation is a very valid way to boost two economies at once. IMO the Felon Program should be based in a comfortable, affordable African country.
    But "Black control of Black taxes" is a bit harsh IMO.

    Pretty odd choice of words... Explain you thoughts...

    Black control of taxes that help all Americans doesn't even sit well.

    What part of REPARATIONS is about "helping" ALL Americans? Again, very odd choice of words... I never posed BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES as an ALL American helper. So your statement "doesn't even sit well" with the truth of what I did say.

    Explain your thoughts...

    I posed BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES as a form of REPARATIONS via Self-Determination - aka Political & Economic Autonomy.

    I'd appreciate it if you would speak and even critique honestly and intelligently - i.e. actually representing what I said correctly.

    The only thing that can be construed as trying to "help" ALL Americans is this statement:
    Ultimately, my views here are to change our democracy from a [WHITE] Majority Rule "democracy" to a Power Sharing, pluralistic, proportional, CONSOCIATED DEMOCRACY -- i.e. no separatism involved; just constructive engagement, constructive arrangements that lays out How We Will Relate to the larger U.S. gov't proper as functional EQUALS and not a subject(ed) people.

    If you want to address that great. If so, tell me what's problematic, "doesn't sit well" when it comes to PROPORTIONAL, pluralistic DEMOCRACY? How is that anti-thetical to "helping" ALL Americans?

    Honesty and Intelligence please... Thank you!

    As for your comments on the FELONs issue... Thanks for you non-contribution.

    There was nothing you could interpret as a "Reward Either In Right Or In Wrong" system in what I said. Your guy BLAQFIST was the one who proposed (complete) amnesty.

    It is your words that are confused.
    But like Blaq pointed out, we can't just flood the economy with workers...

    The Trials of the UNREAD.
    AMNESTY or not, HERU? I was clear in saying the REPARATIONS PROJECT itself would be an employer.

    Please respond HONESTLY and intelligently.
    It's appreciated.
    quote:
    I posed BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES as a form of REPARATIONS via Self-Determination --Nmaginate


    Who's self-determination? Who are these people that are doing this self-determining?

    quote:
    - aka Political & Economic Autonomy. --Nmaginate


    There's the little problem of something called a democracy--who appointed these self-determined black people to take governmental control over the IRS? Do the citizens of the United States vote for these self-determined people or is the voting process exclusive to blacks? Were they appointed by the US senate or the House of Congress to control our taxes or did they just appoint themselves to governmental power and commandeer black tax funds from the IRS?

    So, these self-determined, self-appointed blacks are not only going to take black tax money away from the IRS, we are also supposed to create our own 'black revenue service' to control our tax dollars indefinately? So, in other words, you wouldn't trust us blacks, the people whom you love, to be tax exempt and retain their own hard-earned money?

    You expect us black people to just allow a body of self-appointed black officials to control our tax dollars for us and use our hard-earned tax dollars as 'start up capital' to achieve this independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions?

    What happens in the meantime, as the economy further crumbles, medical care and prescription medicine sky-rockets, medicaid and medicare disappears for us blacks, as well as a plethora of other benefits that the government offers its citizens like unemployment compensation, SSI and other forms of compensation? I guess us black folks better grin and bear it while your plan takes years to see fruition.
    I am a little un-easy w/ your "let us take control of our tax dollars" idea Nmaginate..

    Namely for the reasons iroanhead gave..

    Now you know black's folks are too suspicious of each other to trust a panel of other blacks to control our collective tax dollars.

    I say waive income tax and let each individual black person control their own finances..

    Waiving income taxes or reparations in general will be a boon to the US economy in my opinion. Black people are generally the most frivolous spenders in the country. A significant amount of the money we receive would immediately go right back into the US economy.

    The running joke that reparations would "make Cadillac the #1 car dealership in the country" is completely valid if you ask me. But I also have no problem with it. Some (maybe most) of us would act foolishly with the money, but a lot of us (me included) would use our money wisely.
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    Who's self-determination? Who are these people that are doing this self-determining?
    Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Honest and Intelligent responses WANTED!

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    There's the little problem of something called a democracy--who appointed these self-determined black people to take governmental control over the IRS?
    You can't interject a problem - that's not there - by inserting your asinine, wild hair up the ass, silly ass ASSUMPTIONS!

    Black people can elect their own leaders.
    And, FYI, FUCK anything and everything someone White has to say about it!

    Now, catch the fuck up!
    This an old topic that has been dealt with (i.e. already taken into consideration) a long time ago.

    From a thread entitled A Strategy To Increase African America's Political I made this post on July 28, 2003 01:33 PM which began by saying:

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    I think the idea I posted/cited about an elected National African American Assembly/Congress would be a great idea. It would be in a sense a permanently designed "third party". It would consist (hopefully) of all of our leaders from every walk-of-life and at every level of society. It would constantly voice our concerns and serve as a nationally recognized leadership WE establish as opposed to the age old leadership that is more or less appointed by White America...

    African American Consultative Assembly

  • African Americans need democratic self-determining processes (elections) to establish what it is they want and who speaks for them, and a permanent mechanism (parliament or assembly) to endow that leadership with the full authority of the will of the African American people.
  • See? Now, there is no such idea on my part about anything close to SELF-APPOINTED Black Leaders. They will be duly elected by our own, BLACK, democratic election process.

    But since you want to talk about democracy, turn you attention and critiques to this democracy:
      Ultimately, my views here are to change our democracy from a [WHITE] Majority Rule "democracy" to a Power Sharing, pluralistic, proportional, CONSOCIATED DEMOCRACY -- i.e. no separatism involved; just constructive engagement, constructive arrangements that lays out How We Will Relate to the larger U.S. gov't proper as functional EQUALS and not a subject(ed) people.
    As always, IRON~, thank you for your NON-CONTRIBUTION!
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    Waiving income taxes or reparations in general will be a boon to the US economy in my opinion. Black people are generally the most frivolous spenders in the country. A significant amount of the money we receive would immediately go right back into the US economy.
    And this is RELEVANT? HOW?

    Now you know black's folks are too suspicious of each other to trust a panel of other blacks to control our collective tax dollars.

    Yeah but plenty, IRONHORSE include, trust the hell out of some White people it seems...

    A-FUCKIN'-MAZING!!!
    Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome is a motherf*cka! sck


    Now, as for R E P A T R I A T I O N...
    I posted a thread (Putting The RESTORATION In Reparations) with this actual African American SOVEREIGNTY project. (You may remember it from Political Palace.)
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    I said a bit harsh because we (black people) can not honestly drive down a highway, that's made by taxpayers, walk down a sidewalk, enter a public building or go to a public park, and not feel guilty. Black control of Black taxes would ultimately make us non-contributors to a society that we reap many benefits from tax dollars in.

    And if we did allocate some of our taxes to the rest of the nation, how much? This is problematic in itself because we'll forever be under a critical and watchful eye. Autonomy would ultimately be stagnated because we'll be playing the 'scratch your back and you scratch mine' game with the very people we're trying to obtain autonomy from. It's like a child going out on his own, but still taking advice from mom and dad on how to properly allocate their funds.
    I said a bit harsh because we (black people) can not honestly drive down a highway, that's made by taxpayers, walk down a sidewalk, enter a public building or go to a public park, and not feel guilty...

    Instead of jumping to conclusions and making some IN ERROR you should learn how to be UPFRONT and pose a question voicing your concern. You should also consider the context ->>> "ULTIMATELY..." <<<. But this doesn't even begin to make sense given how you framed your thoughts.

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    Black control of taxes that help all Americans doesn't even sit well.
    What doesn't sit well IF... IF... you presumed I postulated BCBT as something to "help ALL Americans"?

    Seriously? Why in the HELL would we... should w feel "GUILTY" about REPARATIONS (in whatever form)? How, when our REPARATIONS, as I have proposed them (NOT AS PERSONAL CHECKS) will make a definite contribution to the targeted areas where we live? WHERE WE LIVE WITH OTHER PEOPLE?

    Nothing I said precludes anyone, especially those sharing the places and spaces we live from utilizing the services and institutions we establish (or fortify).

    Black control of Black taxes would ultimately make us non-contributors to a society that we reap many benefits from tax dollars...

    Again, honest - earnest - intelligent and responsible responding would have you ask questions first then make conclusions later. You did this in a reverse order for no apparent reason other than to just say what you wanted to say. So really, it doesn't seem to matter what I said. You had no interest in genuinely inquiring about it. So what is your point?

    And if we did allocate some of our taxes to the rest of the nation, how much? This is problematic in itself because we'll forever be under a critical and watchful eye.

    God Forbid that huh? God forbid Black folks get Reparations (i.e. money owed them, freedom owed them, autonomy owed them) and for some reason think they shouldn't have to answer to others about what they do with their REPARATIONS.

    What part of the meaning of REPARATIONS don't you understand?

    Who gives a fuck if there will be CRITICAL and WATCHFUL EYES watching? As if we don't already have outside, nosy ass "critics".

    Please say something relevant...

    Autonomy would ultimately be stagnated because we'll be playing the 'scratch your back and you scratch mine' game with the very people we're trying to obtain autonomy from.

    This doesn't even logically connect to anything you're talking about here. Please say something intelligent and honest.

    It's like a child going out on his own, but still taking advice from mom and dad on how to properly allocate their funds.

    More absurd, off-the-wall and non-connecting BS.
    Where, in what I presented here, is there a clause about taking advice from anyone?

    And I guess you pose White people, White America as our "parents"? Is that what you're saying?

    God forbid we LEAVE HOME and have to bear a life where we would be under the Watchful and Critical Eye of our WHITE Daddy, huh?

    WTF is that?

    As for all of the views of yours I've addressed you can re-start or refocus your comments to this:
    Ultimately, my views here are to change our democracy from a [WHITE] Majority Rule "democracy" to a Power Sharing, pluralistic, proportional, CONSOCIATED DEMOCRACY -- i.e. no separatism involved; just constructive engagement, constructive arrangements that lays out How We Will Relate to the larger U.S. gov't proper as functional EQUALS and not a subject(ed) people.

    If there's a word or concept there you don't understand, I'll address it. But please control yourself and don't trip over, don't puke over illogical, unfathomable, unfounded conclusions you concoct out of thin air.

    Damn! It wasn't like my initial post wasn't long enough as it is but I guess I should have predicted every ridiculous comment someone could possibly make. Someone, people who can't read to comprehend, making sure to consider the context and the meaning of concepts within the context.

    BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES, as I posed it, is/was an optional (though highly recommended) form of REPARATIONS - because its high responsive and RESTORATIVE. But, even beyond or without Reparations, I see BCBT as the institution of full CONSOCIATED, proportional democracy. As I said... WITH OR WITHOUT Reparations. But BCBT as REPARATIONS makes all your points MOOT! And, it seems to me, the point of this thread and the context of my post is REPARATIONS.

    So, again, why in the hell would we or should we feel "Guilty" about our REPARATIONS?

    That type of stuff doesn't even begin to make sense or reflect a coherent idea of what REPARATIONS is.
    HERU, I guess I was right not to regard you as someone genuinely wanting to make HONEST and INTELLIGENT comments and, implicitly suggested, a legitimate exchange -- i.e. this should go both ways is some type of mutual call and response.

    How come you didn't address this?
    ...tell me what's problematic, "doesn't sit well" when it comes to PROPORTIONAL, pluralistic DEMOCRACY? How is that anti-thetical to "helping" ALL Americans?

    Again, if there's a word or concept there you don't understand, I'll address it.

    But let's look at the heart of your issues:
    quote:
    I advocated Black control of the reparations fund, which as I stated should be a reasonable sum substantial enough to create EQUAL opportunities.
    To set the record straight, REPARATIONS is about Setting The Record Straight not "creating Equal Opportunies [for ALL Americans]" or whatever you're trying to say.

    If Reparations, properly calculated and implemented, amount to something that propels African-Americans past some or all other Americans then that's REPARATIONS doing what it's suppose to do. By the same token, if REPARATIONS, properly calculated and implemented, doesn't change one iota of Blacks relative status-position in this society then that too will be REPARATIONS doing what is suppose to do.

    Reparations is not about "Equal Opportunities".
    Reparations is about JUSTICE! RACE SPECIFIC JUSTICE for African Americans ALONE! The course of history dealt African Americans their own special, peculiar and particular INJURY, DAMAGE, LOSS, etc. of which ALL Americans did not share. So, none of what REPARATIONS is earmarked to has to do anything but address, serve and repair what is African-American.

    ALL Americans were not enslaved, subjected to Jim Crow Apartheid Segregation, rob of their culture, etc., etc., etc. So, in no wise does any part of Reparations has to even consider ALL Americans and creating any opportunities for anyone beside AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

    What is your issue?
    What part of the word, of the process, of the purpose of REPARATIONS don't you understand?
    quote:
    How come you didn't address this?
    ...tell me what's problematic, "doesn't sit well" when it comes to PROPORTIONAL, pluralistic DEMOCRACY? How is that anti-thetical to "helping" ALL Americans?


    I don't want to tip-toe around receiving just compensation, but neither do I want step on any toes either. Especially not in the name of pluralism, BCBT would be counterproductive in that regard, IMHO.

    quote:
    To set the record straight, REPARATIONS is about Setting The Record Straight not "creating Equal Opportunies [for ALL Americans]" or whatever you're trying to say.


    I disagree.

    quote:
    Black control of Black taxes would ultimately make us non-contributors to a society that we reap many benefits from tax dollars...

    Again, honest - earnest - intelligent and responsible responding would have you ask questions first then make conclusions later. You did this in a reverse order for no apparent reason other than to just say what you wanted to say. So really, it doesn't seem to matter what I said. You had no interest in genuinely inquiring about it. So what is your point?


    My remarks are inquisitive in nature.
    quote:
    Damn! It wasn't like my initial post wasn't long enough as it is but I guess I should have predicted every ridiculous comment someone could possibly make. Someone, people who can't read to comprehend, making sure to consider the context and the meaning of concepts within the context.



    I guess from now on when I read your thread and I see a whole in your argument then I should assume that it is an illusion.


    quote:
    Ultimately, my views here are to change our democracy from a [WHITE] Majority Rule "democracy" to a Power Sharing, pluralistic, proportional, CONSOCIATED DEMOCRACY -- i.e. no separatism involved; just constructive engagement, constructive arrangements that lays out How We Will Relate to the larger U.S. gov't proper as functional EQUALS and not a subject(ed) people.


    <--NO longer inquiring

    There are many things that can be bought with Reparations, but proportionality is no and should not be amongst the many things we will attempt to purchase. Buying proportionality is akin to giving America a quota of Black slots in whatever manner of entities we arbitrarily choose. In doing so we drain the INCENTIVE behind a systematice process that should be based on integrity.

    Again, this is not or should not be the basis of Reparations. Why should we cheat the hard-working black individuals, and diminish the worth of their hard-earned successes, in the name of proportionality. Equality is God-given. Advocating absolute Proportionality amongst democratic demographics is void of a sincere desire to contribute to one another and democracy.

    Having said that, I advocate proportionality as a short-shotted goal that we will privily fulfill through our COMPETITIVE nature. Once we are EQUAL, we will succeed beyond our "proportions", of that I am extremely confident. Honestly, Intelligently, and Sincerely, blah, blah, blah.

    BTW, The process of Reparations should promote the existing fact that if given the OPPORTUNITY we CAN compete with all demographics, and not just with ourselves. Proportional objectives would promote just the opposite. We would end up competing amongst ourselves for slots that would be given to us.
    quote:
    Especially not in the name of pluralism, BCBT would be counterproductive in that regard, IMHO.
    Well, when you comment Without Reference, then whatever you see as "counterproductive" is a product of your inability or unwillingness to be both HONEST and INTELLIGENT. Certainly, you can disgree... but whatever you choose to disagree about has to have an actual basis in the truth which accurately reflects what REPARATIONS is and what I have actually said -- not what you imagine or insert (with no cause).

    And, specifically, in terms of what you DISAGREE about in terms of what Reparations is -- you frame it, circumventing it, diluting it to be for ALL Americans (huh?) -- nothing I've said has been placed here for agreement. So please, once you finally find an honest and intelligent response bone in your body... Please Speak With Reference.

    What you "disagree" with, when your ideas are not grounded in what REPARATIONS is about, amounts to sand in a wind storm. Shits that's all over the place and hardly sticking to the ground -- i.e. firmly planted and rooted in sound principles, in truth and on the core issue of JUSTICE.

    Words like "counterproductive" won't save you.

    quote:
    My remarks are inquisitive in nature.
    And you're naturally confused and apparently naturally disingenuous.

    You aren't making a inquiry when you make assumption and form conclusions that are, clearly, the basis for your DISAGREEMENT.

    Someone who's "remarks are inquisitive in nature" doesn't make remarks for the purpose of voicing a disagreement. That's COUNTERINTUITIVE.

    Just be honest. You wanted to speak your piece and all my post did was provide you with an opportunity to say what you think only to marginally considering what I actually said.

    quote:
    I don't want to tip-toe around receiving just compensation, but neither do I want step on any toes either.
    This is BS. By even think of inserting ALL Americans in a REPARATIONS (For African Americans) context, you automatically made the JUST compensation less just. And I wish your type would stop tip-toeing around your palpable fear of Pissing White People Off.

    NOTE TO HERU (like I did to IRON~):
    White people are going to be pissed off anyway just at the very idea of Reparations - when it happens.

    So what is your point?
    YOU SCARED?? Eek

    If so, then spell it out. What do you think will happen? What do you know will happen?

    I'd appreciate it.
    quote:
    but whatever you choose to disagree about has to have an actual basis in the truth which accurately reflects what REPARATIONS is and what I have actually said


    Translation: I got the answer and you're comments are nowhere close.

    My response to you is I have just as much basis as you do to predicate my "truth" in whatever light I see it.
    quote:
    NOTE TO HERU (like I did to IRON~):
    White people are going to be pissed off anyway just at the very idea of Reparations - when it happens.

    So what is your point?
    YOU SCARED??


    I could care less about pissing anyone off. I'd just like to practice a little bit of "Class" and integrity. Instead of a boisterous and abnoxious approach. This is MY personal choice, but if we had to stick out or chest and our chins and knuckle up in our approach, then for the I'm down for the TEAM.
    I'd just like to practice a little bit of "Class" and integrity.

    More non-descript BS. What would not be in-keeping with class and INTEGRITY?

    INTEGRITY is the very thing you sacrifice or rather violate when you fashion or otherwise gear any aspects of REPARATIONS (for African-Americans) to ALL Americans.

    Your comments get no closer to saying anything intelligible here than when you started.

    My response to you is I have just as much basis as you do to predicate my "truth" in whatever light I see it.

    Silly.... You were not talking about "your truth". You were responding, commenting, remarking about what I presented here and doing so DISHONESTLY. There is no basis or right to be dishonest and then, as you are, trying to justify it because you don't want to own up to your statements or unveil the BS working/lurking in your mind.

    I guess from now on when I read your thread and I see a whole in your argument then I should assume that it is an illusion.

    You have not pointed out an HOLES in my argument. You can't even keep your shit straight long enough to see holes. You were being "inquisitive", as you said after charged you with not being genuine, earnest or responsible with your responses. But now you were somehow pointing out holes that you can't accurately speak to because you can't be honest in your reading of what I said.

    There are many things that can be bought with Reparations, but proportionality is no and should not be amongst the many things we will attempt to purchase.

    You, you are a dumbass!
    Purchasing Proportionality....
    DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

    Always the most ABSURD shit from you HERU.
    What is your problem? Really? What is it? scream
    *Shaking my head*

    Damn, Nmaginate, looks like I won't get a chance to really critique your so-called ideas on "Ideal Reparations" because you're getting grilled pretty hard by your own peers. This is what I find to be amusing--you cussing me out left and right for opposing your ideas but you choose your words wisely when you respond to HeruStar's and Blaqfist's opposition, nevertheless, you still respond to them disrespectfully like a spoiled brat because they see flaws in your ideas.

    Even still, I think they're going light on you. As I've said before, you don't even have the ability to imagine rationally--you keep going around in circles while you talk out of both sides of your mouth, respinning your poorly thought out and short-sighted ideas through other people's one track-minded agendas. First, you quoted from N'COBRA, saying that we should achieve independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions, then you say you want to place black people in these same racist institions to somehow lessen their effect.

    Then you move on to say that we need to have our own schools and that white people shouldn't even be allowed to teach our children yet you boldly posted another site, The African American Consultative Assembly, once again, somebody else's ideas, not your own, then I noticed, when I checked the site out, it was really a site called CURE (Caucasians United for Reparations and Emancipation), a group of remorseful 'white folks' that feel sorry for us 'black folks,' and I quote: "We express remorse for all crimes committed in the name of white supremacy." --C.U.R.E.

    So, I ask you, Nmaginate, what the fuck do we need help from some guilty 'white folks' for? You don't want white folks teaching our black children but you want help from guilty whites in order to get reparations? And you, Blaqfist, conspired to create deception by saying I got my information on Jacob Schiff, the banker that financed the Japanese in the war against Russia, from a site you linked in your response to a white supremist website, which, in fact, was a damn lie, while Nmaginate, and HeruStar played along like two childish fools--now, you, Nmaginate, create a link to a CAUCASIAN website to support your crack-brained, separatist, oh, excuse me, nationalist ideas?

    Nmaginate, you speak negatively of the blacks that accepted start up funds from whites and jews to create the NAACP but you're doing the same thing yourself by wanting to conspire with CORE in order to recieve reparations. See, this is why global thinkers like me always overcome short-sighted followers like you, Nmaginate: It's global thinkers like me that have the patience, the wisdom, the vision, and the intellect to see the big picture instead of just act impulsively on hair-brained ideas.

    This is how I could wait for the opportune moment to expose all three of you, Nmaginate, Blaqfist, and HeruStar, for the idiots you are for trying to create deception to distract from the humiliation you experienced from my genius, my "literary terrorism," and end up turning on yourselves by disagreeing on this hair-brained ideal reparations idea.

    And just think, Nmaginate, I haven't even given you my official critique of your ideas yet.

    You are so, very, small-minded, Nmaginate....I already know what you're thinking--you're going to bounce back with yet another post, filled with a bunch of stupid ass smiley faces, curse words, slanderous comments, colorful text, and more hair-brained, poorly thought out, hallucinatory garbage to support your feable and unrealistic ideas on reparations.

    26 days and counting..............
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    quote:
    How come you didn't address this?
    ...tell me what's problematic, "doesn't sit well" when it comes to PROPORTIONAL, pluralistic DEMOCRACY? How is that anti-thetical to "helping" ALL Americans?
    Nmag

    quote:
    BTW, The process of Reparations should promote the existing fact that if given the OPPORTUNITY we CAN compete with all demographics, and not just with ourselves. Proportional objectives would promote just the opposite. We would end up competing amongst ourselves for slots that would be given to us.
    Heru

    quote:
    You, you are a dumbass!
    Purchasing Proportionality....
    DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

    Always the most ABSURD shit from you HERU.
    What is your problem? Really? What is it?
    Nmag

    The statement that you made from the beginning constituted a calculated desire to obtain proportional, pluralistic... My direct interpretation of your ambiguous vague jargon is a result of your obvious erroneous choice of words. PROPORTIONAL economic representation of black individuals. This would be the honest statement on your part.

    Better yet you'd be more honest in admitting you are a socialist or better yet a communist who advocates redistributing the wealth across race lines, based upon "Setting The Record Straight".

    Deal with that.
    quote:
    And you, Blaqfist, conspired to create deception by saying I got my information on Jacob Schiff, the banker that financed the Japanese in the war against Russia, from a site you linked in your response to a white supremist website, which, in fact, was a damn lie... ironazz


    Jeez-us...

    1st of all what war between Russia & Japan did Schiff give moeny to Japan? It was not WW2 (as you claimed). Your link says the exact same thing.

    And ironazz, all I did to find out who runs that web site, was doulbe click on the "home" title on the web site..

    So what part was I lying about?

    Me & Nmaginate desagree about the methonds not the aim of reparations.

    I have no hope of cooperation or the sharing of resources between whites and blacks.

    Nmaginate thinks that some day black & whites will live in a place where we are equal, I am just of the opinion that it will never happen.
    quote:
    Then you move on to say that we need to have our own schools and that white people shouldn't even be allowed to teach our children...
    WRONG!!!!

    You have played yourself again. READ!!!

    There are a number of Black-centered Charter Schools that should be replicated, used as models... Incentives to teachers today, of course, can be made for them to contribute regardless to their race. Nevertheless, the curriculum at these schools will be strictly our decision.

    I said nothing about Whites "shouldn't" teach our children. Mines was the articulation of why or rather the assertion that Whites shouldn't dictate how our children are taught.

    READING IS............ FUNDAMENTAL!

    By Black-centered schools, all I mean are those with a specific mission and focus... A mission composed by Black people for the purposes of addressing first and foremost all the needs of Black people at whatever given moment or whatever the given need is.

    Please respond with HONESTY and INTELLIGENCE!
    Both of you motherfuckers, Nmaginate, and, you, blaqfist, are some bitch ass liars. Both of you bastards are like some fucking drunk ass winoes, "I ain't lyin,' what tha fuck you tawkin' bout, I ain't lyin!!"

    Neither one of you homeless ex-cons have any credibility. Blaqfist, you a straight dumbass, pot-bellied, foodstamp-selling, child support payment dodging liar--get the fuck outta here with JEEZUS, shit you fake bitch--you lie like a $2 ho--holding out on her pimp with her tips from the sorry ass tricks she turned.

    For the 347,049th time, I didn't say one motherfucking thing about WWII other than the ordeal between Japan and Russia happening before WWII, with dates provided (1904-1905), BEFORE WORLD WAR II, and you fucking know it, you lying ass son of a bitch.

    but, Nmaginate, you're in a league all by yourself.You're a professional fucking master flim flam artist. George Bush Sr. ain't got shit on you, nigga, with all that double-talking, and lying out of both sides of your mouth--waffling and floundering like, Trent Lott, apologizing to black people on BET news late night for making racist remarks.

    Who the fuck said all of this warmed-over trash:

    A Black Administration & Review organ to not only prescribe/implement Reparations but monitor the progress of Reparations.

    Revamping EDUCATION and providing a Quality and Purposed Education for all our people.

    This is major. As a matter of principle, REPARATIONS must be about our most important Liberation Imperative and that's a Liberation Education. That starts with valuing and centering our education K-12 on up around the Black ACADEMY -- i.e. Black Centered, Black Created schools. My reasoning:

    No People Can Expect The Best Out Of Their Youth When They Leave It To Others To Educate Them.

    Who the fuck said all that bullshit, Nmaginate? Ya cross-eyed, bat-legged mama? Ya drunk ass, unemployed, peeping-tom ass daddy? Ya peg-legged, bow-legged, bald-headed, gold fronts-wearing girlfriend?

    You ain't nothin' but an AFRICANAMERICA.ORG ho, Nmaginate. It took me kicking your bitch ass in the teeth until 2 o'clock in the morning to get your lying ass to admit you wrote that contradictory ass bullshit about achieving independence and then twisting your mouth around to say you want to place blacks in the same racist institutions you want to achieve independence from.

    One thing's for damn sure, Nmaginate, what the fuck you gotta say about your proud ass African American Consultative Assembly, which was really a cracker ass site, CAUCASIANS UNITED FOR REPARATIONS AND EMANCIPATION, you lying ass son of a bitch?

    Who the fuck was stupid enough to post all of this bullshit:

    For me, my view of a TRANSITIONAL PLAN is grounded in what's said here:

    ...I mean we still believe in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's solution as complete separation. [African Americans] should be separated completely from America and should be permitted to go back home to our African homeland which is a long-range program

    YOU are the one pumping all this pro-black shit but you want to hug a white man's nuts to get you off the ground with your retarded ass wet dreams. All you've been pumping is BLACK, BLACK, BLACK but you want help from white people to get reparations. If you so motherfucking PRO-BLACK, what the fuck do you need help from white people for, anything, you CORE-loving ass wigger?

    YOU A UNDERCOVER CRACKER HIDING UNDER A FUNKY ASS PIECE OF KENTE CLOTH.

    READING IS FUNDAMENTAL--bitch, you need to read your OWN shit--there ain't nothing FUNDAMENTAL about your SOCIALIST REPUBLIC ass. You're such a fucking literary flim flam phoney, it's amazing the text doesn't bounce off of your fucking monitor screen as you type them.

    You need to buy covered wagon, move out west, and open a motherfucking snake oil, miracle medicine and indian charms saloon. You're so full of shit you need to ram a fucking rotor-rooter rod down your throat just to keep a clear air passage to your damn lungs so you don't suffocate.
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    Homeless Ex-con... Socialist...

    laugh

    You really must be an ALLOY BOY!!
    No real IRON. Just HORSE-shit! lol

    The fact remains that you CANNOT READ!

    You said this:
    "...you move on to say that... white people shouldn't even be allowed to teach our children..."

    ...which was proven to be DEMONSTRABLY FALSE (aka a blatant fuckin' LIE!) Then you scurry off into no particular direction at all... I mean any direction opposite of the one you were trying to pursue... ALL because YOU PLAYED YOURSELF!!

    BLACK CONTROL OF BLACK TAXES is in no wise a plea for HELP from Whites. When you learn how NOT to project your Tormented Housy beliefs... then call me.

    And this is rich:
    YOU'RE A UNDERCOVER CRACKER HIDING UNDER A FUNKY ASS PIECE OF KENTE CLOTH.

    My how the Mighty... WEAK keep falling... music
    When you comment on silly stuff like my avatar then you havem PLAYED YOURSELF... as you always do.
    Saying this bullshit...

    quote:
    This is major. As a matter of principle, REPARATIONS must be about our most important Liberation Imperative and that's a Liberation Education. That starts with valuing and centering our education K-12 on up around the Black ACADEMY -- i.e. Black Centered, Black Created schools. My reasoning:

    No People Can Expect The Best Out Of Their Youth When They Leave It To Others To Educate Them.


    ...is the same as saying white people shouldn't be allowed to teach our children.

    You still haven't defended the fact that you linked your dumbass to a CAUCASIAN WEBSITE under the false name The African American Consultative Assembly.

    You need to make a correction, Benedict Nmaginate--the weak-minded are falling.
    DUDE, you linked to a openly WHITE SUPREMACIST site. I linked to a site (referenced one) that happened to agree with REPARATIONS.

    How much you want to be the site you linked to is against it?

    Seems like you've defeated another one of your previous arguments about Whites who have been around and helped at major stages of Black progress.

    I know you don't like yourself very well, but damn beating yourself up in public is cruel and unusual. lol lol

    "In response to your embracing the notion of achieving independence from these racist institutions, all I have to say is this: Every black man isn't your friend and every white man isn't your enemy." -- IRONHORSE

    quote:
    There is NOTHING that I have said that approximates, can be construed or can be stretched for you to even begin to think that BULLSHIT makes sense. Nothing I have said suggests that "EVERY Black Man" this and "EVERY White Man" that.

    [Nmag~?] ...who the hell do you think the black causus interacts with in order to achieve what they are trying to do? Spike Lee? Kweize Mfume? Jessie Jackson? Al Sharpton? Hell no--they interact with members of congress, members of the senate, yeah, white people. White people that are in positions of power to help the black cause. -- IRONHORSE
    You need to make up your mind what you want to try to argue. You keep Jumpin' Your Froggy Ass around from Dumb-CONCLUSION to Dumb-CONCLUSION (all based on your ignorantly derived preconceptions) without ever making any logical sense.

    Now, stick to the shit you wanted to claim. You said:
    "...you move on to say that... white people shouldn't even be allowed to teach our children..."

    ...When logic, reason and a pretty fuckin' explicit statement of mine doesn't support that asinine, Froggy, Diggem Smacks conclusion.

    No People Can Expect The Best Out Of Their Youth When They Leave It To Others To Educate Them.

    That's my statement. It doesn't correlate or translate into what you said. When you can't or won't even READ explicit statements I make ("Incentives to teachers today, of course, can be made for them to contribute regardless to their race")... how in the hell do you think you can even begin to read what's implicit or infer or implied in things I say?

    But, again, as always... Thank you for your NON-CONTRIBUTION.


    Oh, BTW, I'm still waiting for you HONEST and INTELLIGENT critiques... Excuse me, but, if you ever had a point... I lost it in your never ending saga without a point.

    You claim I said "whites shouldn't be allowed to teach Black children" then when the already, right within the very post in question reference shows how your assertion couldn't possibly be true you Jump Your Froggy Ass on to another pointless point.

    All you do is entertainment ALLOY!!
    quote:
    Better yet you'd be more honest in admitting you are a socialist or better yet a communist who advocates redistributing the wealth across race lines, based upon "Setting The Record Straight".

    Deal with that.
    I guess you're having your WHITE BOY MOMENT TOO!

    What is REPARATIONS but a re-REDISTRIBUTION of Wealth that is, by historical DEFINITION, along racial lines?

    The Damage, Injury and Loss was suffered "along racial lines". That injury, loss and damage was done to Africans/African-Americans. NOT All Americans. So REPARATIONS is EXCLUSIVELY for African Americans, in this case, because they(we) were EXCLUSIVELY subjected to said injury-damage-loss...

    So you can dig out all the DUMBASS buzzwords all you want but you have betrayed the very essence of REPARATIONS over so shit completely unrelated to the purpose, cause and reason for REPARATIONS.

    REPARATIONS for Black People won't be CO-OPTED by either ignorant ass Black people or mal-intent White people.

    quote:
    My direct interpretation of your ambiguous vague jargon is a result of your obvious erroneous choice of words. PROPORTIONAL economic representation of black individuals. This would be the honest statement on your part.
    You still don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

    What the fuck is "proportional economic representation of black individuals"?

    DUDE, at least you can come with the standard White argument (since you're having one of those moments). So, FYI, I'm not adverse to (and will just as quickly advocate) Racial/ethnic, opinion/ideology groups the country wide being in PRIMARY control over their self-identified groups taxes by however they self-indentify.

    So, check yourself... And as your Bible says, "Lean Not Unto Your Own Understanding (when you base your BS on shit you know nothing about... and come with false fuckin' pretenses)".

    Again, thanks for the NON-CONTRIBUTION!
    quote:
    DUDE, you linked to a openly WHITE SUPREMACIST site. --Nmaginate


    YOU'RE A FUCKING ASS LIAR, NMAGINATE!!!


    YOU SUCH A GOT-DAMN GENIUS, NMAGINATE--GO LINK YOUR SORRY LYING ASS TO THE POST I MADE WHERE I LINKED ANYTHING I SAID TO A MOTHERFUCKING WHITE SUPREMIST SITE!!!

    I CAN'T STAND A MOTHERFUCKING LYING ASS BITCH!!

    quote:
    I guess you're having your WHITE BOY MOMENT TOO! --Nmaginate


    What? WHAT???? Get the FUCK outta here, Nmaginate, you lying ass phony!!! You was half right with that statement you made, you sorry ass, lying ass BITCH--YOU are having a white boy moment.

    Where's all your curse words and stupid ass happy faces now, nmaginate, you lying ass bitch?
    Ha! Ha!

    You actually took the time to write that bullshit! Too fuckin' funny...

    On your thread I posted this:
    quote:
    IRONHORSE...

    All I want to know is:
    Did you or did you not post a link to a White Supremacist website?

    That's all I want to know. Big Grin

    White Revolution anyone? Wink
    Scroll down and click on H O M E ...
    and that's what you get.
    Now go Link Up with your Aryan Homies or something, DUMBASS!

    You can scream this and that but the TRUTH will always be the TRUTH no matter how hard you deny.

    Now go running to the next site sponsored by one of your A-Homies when you think you want to make a point:
    quote:
    1904 - 1905
    Russo-Japanese War
    Japan wages war with Russia to strengthen control over resource-rich Manchuria, vital to Japan's growing industrial revolution. To finance the war, Japan secures a $200 million loan through Jewish-American financier Jacob Schiff. The world is stunned as Japan destroys the Russian navy, seizing Port Arthur (present-day Lushun). As a result of the loan, many in Japan draw exaggerated conclusions about the power of the Jewish people.
    The actual web-address:
    http://wsi.matriots.com/BankersRussRev.html

    Dumbass, when a page comes up like that, any intelligent person would automatically question the source and check to see what kind of angle/bias the site posting an article or opinion has. No what's your excuse?

    Now when a piece starts off like this:
      We have said that the so-called Russian Revolution was "Jewish x 2." What we mean by that is that not only did Jews physically carry out that revolution, but Jews also paid for it as well.

      The two key Jewish bankers who financed the Russian Revolution were Jacob Schiff of New York and Olof Aschberg of Sweden...
    The first question in an INTELLIGENT person's mind is: Who the fuck is "WE"?

    Well, following that Time Honored and Intelligent method.... scrolling down, again, you get this: http://wsi.matriots.com/index.html

    Hmm... same core web address/location. That page, that web address has this title:
    W H I T E R E V O L U T I O N
    With these brilliant lines serving as site captions:
      If racial diversity makes America stronger, then America must have been a weak country in 1955...

      The term "racism" is bogus propaganda invented by the Jew Trotsky to weaken the White race. Judaism is racism. Jews invented racism long before Christianity existed, i.e. Jews allegedly being "The Chosen People." Look at who uses the term "racism" daily: Jews and Marxists. Somehow they only use that term to refer to Whites, not to Blacks or Mexicans. Why? Because the term "racism" is phony and Jewish. Whites created the West, while Jews and Blacks simply live in it.



    Oh... and IRONHORSE.... Thanks For Playing!! bump
    quote:
    Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
    {throwing gasoline on the fire}

    OOPs, pretty much shows where you linked to a white supremacist site, Huh?

    ... lol laugh lol


    Kweli4real, I'm going to deal with your messy, catty ass first before I move on to Nmaginate's sorry ass:

    First of all, it's obvious that you're another biased bastard, sticking your nose in a conversation that doesn't concern your sorry ass.

    I didn't see you jump your nosey ass in and comment on when I found Nmaginate's elusterous site called: The African American Consultative Assembly to be a DIRECT LINK this site called C.U.R.E which is DIRECTLY in conjunction with what he wanted to use to support his discussion.

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