I just got clowned again today, this time in corporate America. What...is this disrespect Noah Month or something? Anyway, this is a clowning of a different kind. We were having major problems with the production payroll system. One of the computer programs was failing which created the potential that some 30,000 employees nationwide would not be paid. So, all the systems analyst and developers had gathered to brainstorm and we all through our analysis and recommendations for a resolution into the mix. Well...whenever one presented their ideas, except me, everyone was on board suggesting that was a good angle and strategy to pursue. However when I interjected with my unique idea.... the room went quiet and no one said anything...then proceeded to delegating task based upon the ideas of the others. WTF...they just totally clowned my input.... maybe because I was not an expert on that particular system...but many others whose idea was given merit were not either. Well, through the process of elimination all their ideas failed at which point they entertained the idea that I introduced hours earlier. Guess whose idea worked and fixed the problem allowing everyone to go home?

This is a clowning of a different nature, but still is rooted in a fundamental disrespect. I deal with this all the time. A lot of folks go out of their way to SOUND like they know what they hell they are talking about to impress and the managers who really don't have a clue eat it up and just assume they do. Me....I don't try to impress anyone.
Vita vya panzi (ni) furaha ya kunguru. War among grasshoppers delights the crow. Msema kweli hana wajoli. The speaker of truth has few friends. ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( Noah The African in America
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And you didn't see this one coming, Noah? LOL Come on now I know you work with several white folks. This kind of thing is to be expected.
I think that a more appropriate title would be:

THEY got clowned...

I mean, if someone else had said the same thing as you, verbatim, and then they accepted it as the right thing to do then you would have been clowned...

JMHO
Guess whose idea worked and fixed the problem allowing everyone to go home?

This is a clowning of a different nature, but still is rooted in a fundamental disrespect. I deal with this all the time. A lot of folks go out of their way to SOUND like they know what they hell they are talking about to impress and the managers who really don't have a clue eat it up and just assume they do. Me....I don't try to impress anyone.Noah

Clearly, you got 'dissed'...,but

There is great good here.

Everyone in the room knows what they did.

Everyone in the room knows you know what they did.

Everyone in the room inescapably has acknowledged you level of expertise.

Now...

The next time..., and there will be a next time...begin your offer with the phrase; 'I have a lot of experience with this system, and I recommend.....

In the meantime, investigate launching your own enterprise...in some form.

Maybe an on-line service as a trouble-shooter for which sensitivity, not a dependence on,'black' businesses.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
And you didn't see this one coming, Noah? LOL Come on now I know you work with several white folks. This kind of thing is to be expected.

yeah
I know it sucks, but this is standard operating procedure in corporate America, the academy, etc. My wife is a computer administrator and deals with this crap on a daily basis. Most of the managers she deals with do not have the degree that she does, and actually have less managerial experience. She is not only the only African American, but also the only remaining female in her area.
I failed to join the chorus saying is the standard operating procedure for corporate America...,and

every other employer with African Americans in responsible positions.

A more virulent form of this practice is the 'pick your brain', and then sell to upper echelons as being theirs.

There are other, and more malicious variations.

And pettier forms, e.g. like the make of the car you drive to work.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
There is great good here.

Everyone in the room knows what they did.

Everyone in the room knows you know what they did.

Everyone in the room inescapably has acknowledged you level of expertise.


I don't agree with this. The racism is so ingrained as 'normal' behavior, few white folks recognize they do it, even in obvious(to it's victims...us) situations like this.

There was a Canadian lady complaining about a racist comment from a South Amerikkkan immigrant the other day. The South Amerikkkan immigrant lady called an older Brother a 'coloured boy'. The Canadian woman attacked her pointing out that this was racist terminology. Then she attacked the S.A. immigrants nationality saying, "At least he is Amerikkkan unlike you, you immigrants need to learn the language and what is ok to say and not to say... blah blah blah.". I then pointed out that she is racist for saying that. She was utterly perplexed. She didn't realize that SHE TOO was not Amerikkkan and was an immigrant. I pointed out the only reason she felt comfortable attacking the S.A. immigrants citizenship status is because she is non-white and not from an Anglo culture. She is also an immigrant, and the only reason she would attack a fellow immigrant, about them actually being an immigrant(same as her), is because they are non-white/Anglo. I told her that basically she is doing the same/similar thing that she is attacking, which is a contradiction. She didn't like that much... White supremacy is far reaching, as is the denial of those that practice it on an individual and institutional level.
Kresege, I went through the same thing being in the computer field when I was in the military. It is really frustrating. And what's even worse is that in my situation it was only the black people that were dogged out by the people in the squadron, especially sisters.
oooohhhh sometimes white folks know they make me sick!
Just being down here for a year, in Houston, I've noticed that anything goes. If you even think anything pro-african/black you can fugeddaboudit, let alone take any serious action!
I don't agree with this. The racism is so ingrained as 'normal' behavior, few white folks recognize they do it, even in obvious(to it's victims...us) situations like this.---Oshun Auset

I get your point.

I decided, in responding, to 'go for' the positive.

We know the virulence of 'The European Attitude'.

I try to not 'occupy' myself with that recitation too much..., and there are times it is necessary.

Thinking from a position, an attitude, of stength is more beneficial to the person being targeted.

I have wearied of reciting 'The European Insanity'.

I recite the power of 'The African American Ethnicity' at every opportunity I am given.

And I admit to 'seeking out' such opportunity.


PEACE

Jim Chester
I agree in that you clowned them - not the other way around. But what pisses me off, and by the way I know where you're coming from, Noah, is your white co-worker counterparts probably chalked it off (your suggestion) to pure dumb luck. I'm not racist due to the fact that not every white man is your enemy and not every black man is your friend but that's just how white people think.

I'll tell you a real story about getting clowned by white co-workers. At my former job my boss asked me to paint a mural to boost moral. I paid for everything out of my pocket (paint, drop cloths, paint brushes, buckets etc.) and burned my personal time after work for a month to paint this mural.

My white co-workers passed me by everyday complimenting me as I painted this mural while they went on their merry little way to their cars. Okay, I'm finished with the mural and everyone was proud. 4 months later I noticed some of my co-workers had plastered posters and whatnot all over my mural. I felt that was very disrespectful but I didn't say anything about it.

Here's where I burned with rage: When my co-workers took the posters down the tape they used to put up the posters ripped patches of paint from my mural off of the wall. They didn't come to me and apologize or even offer to repair what they damaged. They just smiled in my face and kept going. To add insult to injury they put up more posters that only ripped more patches off of the mural as time went on.

Now, mind you, They saw me on my knees painting this damn mural everyday. They knew I paid for all that material yet they destroyed my mural anyway. Did my boss come to me and apologize for my co-workers' unprofessional behavior? Nope. She walked passed the destroyed mural everyday like nothing had happened.

I never griped or complained to anyone. I just played it cool and moved on. Of course I had bigger plans that they weren't aware of to vacate this racially inhospitable environment. I just smiled right back in their face as they fronted their phoniness day after day.

I submitted my resignation and informed my boss that I elected to move on to a more casual environment in Miami. I added insult to injury by informing her that I live only five minutes from the beach and only minutes from Key West and other main attractions. On a side note: White folks worship the state of Florida like it's the promised land. The look on my now former bosses face was priceless as I informed her of the perks and large pay raise I was receiving for taking the new position (of course I had to rub it in appl). As my other superiors and co-workers found out where I was going they came running to me like they had witnessed me being bathed in Jesus' blood or something. There was all kinds of reactions of shock and awe as well as jealousy - foolishness.

These people were of the mindset that they felt I should have appreciated working in what they thought to be such a warm and friendly environment (sick) full of down home good folk. But I showed them otherwise. God is always in charge. And of course my favorite slogan: The best revenge is success. tfro
When I was younger I never could appreciate the saying "Success is the best revenge", but now I realize how profoundly true it is. If black folks really want some "get back", for all our centuries of being clowned, nothing does it like success.

I still fill like I was clowned and feel it daily. I seem to inspire "sports" conversations with most of my white co-workers. They don't come to me talking about new technologies or other issues of the day...its always sports and you would think by now that they would realize that I don't follow sports that much.

I did have one white female co-worker start a conversation about Africa. I guess an African family from Liberia lives in their community and had visited her home. I guess the African lady told her of the horrors she experienced, rape and other. So this must have inspired her to strike up a conversation with me about how if people only knew how bad it was in other places they would not complain about life in America. I may be wrong, but my assumption is that she meant black folks should not be complaining because if we were still in Africa we would have a fate similar to this lady. She kept talking about how bad "Africa" is. I told her that Africa is not a country and that she and others should not extrapolate from things that happen in war torn countries to all the other 50 something African nations.

Other than that.... its always sports.
appl Leonard Pitts appl

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http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/leonard_pitts/story/199338.html

Frankly, I doubt Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan, Whitney Houston, Tim Hardaway, Isaiah Washington, New Orleans DA Eddie Jordan, Ray Nagin, the NAACP, Ice Cube, 50 Cent, Ludacris, the family of Martin Luther King, Jr. and other black folk who have been ripped and ridiculed in this space would agree that I give black folks a free ride. But again, we're not talking about facts here. For that matter, we're not talking about me, nor even about journalism.

No, what we're talking about is that some white people -- emphasize: some -- seem to feel they have a perfect right to demand, overtly and repeatedly, that a black professional prove himself to them. We're talking about the realization, as a black professional, that for them, you will forever be on probation, your mastery of your profession, your right to be there, constantly subject to demands for verification ...
Interesting...it reminds me of the time a white grad student asked me what qualified me to teach the course....I asked them a question and when they did not know the answer I told them that I did............
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Interesting...it reminds me of the time a white grad student asked me what qualified me to teach the course....I asked them a question and when they did not know the answer I told them that I did............


Did you get it on tape? When is Blockerbuster going to get the DVD? cabbage
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Interesting...it reminds me of the time a white grad student asked me what qualified me to teach the course....I asked them a question and when they did not know the answer I told them that I did............


I'm loving it Kev41. And please tell me that you walked away after telling them the you knew the answer ... without telling them the answer. lol
of course Bro....I do not even let black people get away with having lowered perceptions of black people...nono.....so you know where that leaves others....I let him wait until we covered it in the course..and the he realized the enlightenment he experienced is the same that experienced ages ago...

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