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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
I also think, based upon my observation - however limited it may be, that a man will date/marry a woman regardless of her station in life... she could be working on the fryer at Mickey D's, but if she's cute she has almost as good a shot at getting a mate as a sister with a phd.

Let a brother say "I'm in charge of the fries at Mickey D's" and see how far he gets - regardless of his looks!!



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I can't add anymore to this argument, but I think this should be repeated as many times as necessary.
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Originally posted by art_gurl:
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What about your black artists? Sculptors? Writers? Painters? Scholars? Community Activists? These aren't cream of the crop? And they're deserving men.


HB... for a lot of women (me included) these men are the cream of the crop! Dream man/men, in fact. eyes


eyes kiss eyes kiss

This is why guys like me wind up with white women.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
I also think, based upon my observation - however limited it may be, that a man will date/marry a woman regardless of her station in life... she could be working on the fryer at Mickey D's, but if she's cute she has almost as good a shot at getting a mate as a sister with a phd.

Let a brother say "I'm in charge of the fries at Mickey D's" and see how far he gets - regardless of his looks!!



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I can't add anymore to this argument, but I think this should be repeated as many times as necessary.


isn't this saying let's ditch classism, but it's OK to discriminate on looks? Like I said... for some men the booty calls before anything else ! And it could be argued that it implies... who gives a fck about her brain as long as she's a good fck. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by art_gurl:
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What about your black artists? Sculptors? Writers? Painters? Scholars? Community Activists? These aren't cream of the crop? And they're deserving men.


HB... for a lot of women (me included) these men are the cream of the crop! Dream man/men, in fact. eyes

Point is, whether they are doctors or artists, a lot of time the booty 'talks' to those men way before (or instead of) any of those similar talents in women.


AG, these are not talents, they're careers or occupations, or callings. That's the giant problem me and the other guys on this thread are having with this perception of a double standard. Women are looking for the different occupations listed throughout this thread. Their not looking for talent. But as I and others have said before, If that's what you want then that's what you get.


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Flip the script, and ask yourself are any men actively seeking the same - women writers, artists, painters, etc,


No, men and women are not seeking the same thing! That's why this whole idea of a double standard is silly.


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or do they expect booty + beauty + brain + bank balance ALL-in-one?


A lot of men are more into 'T' than 'A' + beauty is entirely subjective + there are many stupid men who can appreciate a stupid woman + I've never in my life met a man who cared in the slightest how much money a woman made.
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AG, these are not talents, they're careers or occupations, or callings. That's the giant problem me and the other guys on this thread are having with this perception of a double standard. Women are looking for the different occupations listed throughout this thread. Their not looking for talent. But as I and others have said before, If that's what you want then that's what you get.


lol you call the arts careers? A 'career' in the arts is more like unemployment! They are mind-sets and mindspaces not merely careers or occupations. Thanks for agreeing however that men aren't looking for cerebral talent more external 'talent'.
NOT ALL women are looking for occupations, but companions. Not all men are looking for booty uber alles, but a I'd say a heck of a lot are.

So... what are you looking for if not talent or a brain.... state your case.
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Originally posted by art_gurl:
NOT ALL women are looking for occupations, but companions.


We're all looking for companions. The disagreement here is how those potential companions are ranked and chosen.


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Not all men are looking for booty uber alles, but a I'd say a heck of a lot are.


Why? Because we look at pictures of supermodels in g-strings?


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So... what are you looking for if not talent or a brain.... state your case.
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I already posted what men are looking for, but I'll sum it up: Flexability, Integrity, Loyalty, and a Giving Nature.

All other considerations are subjective and ultimately unimportant. But these four criteria a required for a man's long term health and happiness.

You'll notice that there is no mention of "brains, or beauty, or booty, or bank accounts".
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Originally posted by art_gurl:
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Originally posted by Black Viking:

Actually AG, if she's got no brain then she can't be a good f*ck. laugh


good for you waving your sexist BS flag! that's a sicko comment if ever I heard one. hit


There is nothing sick or sexist about that comment. My experience is that good sex requires a certain amount of mental stimulation. However, that's off.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
I also think, based upon my observation - however limited it may be, that a man will date/marry a woman regardless of her station in life... she could be working on the fryer at Mickey D's, but if she's cute she has almost as good a shot at getting a mate as a sister with a phd.

Let a brother say "I'm in charge of the fries at Mickey D's" and see how far he gets - regardless of his looks!!



bow

I can't add anymore to this argument, but I think this should be repeated as many times as necessary.



DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!!
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Originally posted by Black Viking:

Actually AG, if she's got no brain then she can't be a good f*ck.


Mea culpa DAMMIT!!
I was rushing out to Pilates and I thought it read a brain. Puts a different spin on things don't you agree.

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I already posted what men are looking for, but I'll sum it up: Flexability, Integrity, Loyalty, and a Giving Nature.

I asked your criteria, not a generic 'men's' criteria.

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All other considerations are subjective and ultimately unimportant.

huh? not convinced.

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You'll notice that there is no mention of "brains, or beauty, or booty, or bank accounts".

guilty by omission laugh
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Originally posted by art_gurl:
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Originally posted by Black Viking:

Actually AG, if she's got no brain then she can't be a good f*ck.


Mea culpa DAMMIT!!
I was rushing out to Pilates and I thought it read a brain. Puts a different spin on things don't you agree.


Apology accepted. Wink bsm


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I asked your criteria, not a generic 'men's' criteria.


Same/same. These are my criteria. I think you'll find most men are the same in this regard. We are men, after all.



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All other considerations are subjective and ultimately unimportant.

huh? not convinced.


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You'll notice that there is no mention of "brains, or beauty, or booty, or bank accounts".

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guilty by omission laugh
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Sigh... giveup... kiss... tfro
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
This is NOT the point, AG. No one is encouraging women to date only a Denzel. No one is saying Denzels are the only quality men. No one is saying that we want the right to hold out for a Denzel. WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF STRIVING FOR A "DENZEL" WITHOUT HEARING A BUNCH OF FRIGGIN LIP ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO REFOCUS/REVISE/RETHINK BECAUSE WE DON'T DESERVE IT OR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GIVING THE "LOWER-RUNG" OF BROTHAS A CHANCE OR WHATEVER OTHER REASON. The same way that men can strive for the prettiest available woman...
We men strive for the woman who is the prettiest available... again, regardless of her station in life... Women, on the other hand, strive for the prettiest available and the mercedes...
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Let us want whatever the Hell it is we want! Sure, we may end up with something else when all is said and done, but this rush by Black men to immediately shoot down any of the Black woman's romantic/relationship aspirations...
Frenchy... back away from the computer, these are just opinions - nobdy is claiming to be Dr. Phil here.
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Why should we reduce ourselves down to taking up with whoever is cute?? We expect more because we're smarter. And because we have more responsibilities.
It is not a reduction!!

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Why do men feel compelled to even contribute this?
I can't speak for anybody anybody else, but I contribute to this because it is a discussion forum.
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Do you think there is a Black woman alive who does not "realize the limitations" of her situation?
Quite obviously, yes.

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