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... That was the tired notion, IMO, that a White poster suggested on another forum. When I questioned a proposed Hillary Clinton (PRESIDENT) + Barack Obama (VICE-PRESIDENT) Democratic ticket on the basis of a WOMAN + "MINORITY" both being in the country's top executive position... My friend said this:

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I don't think the stereotype of a "woman & a minority" hold sway, as these are both people that go way beyond being so easily defined as "a woman & a minority".....
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Some people easily transcend the labels others try and put on them...


Well, you know me... I had plenty to say. I even made a thread about. Want to hear? Well here it (the source material used to convey my thinking) goes!


"I think you can knock black America over with a feather every time it hears
that the color line has gone away because non-blacks don't see Michael Jordan or Oprah Winfrey [or BARACK OBAMA] as black. White people, who presumably think this colorblindness is a good thing ??, seem unaware that a great many black folks are unconvinced, if not insulted, by such white pronouncements..."



Long and short: I took issue with his curious "RACE [COLORBLINDNESS] ORTHODOXY".

I wanted to know why it seemed as if he felt WOMAN/MINORITY/BLACK constituted "labels" and why he felt any of them were INHERENTLY problematic - something to TRANSCEND and get "way beyond" - as he seemed to suggest.

I wanted to know why OBAMA, e.g., apparently couldn't be seen as "BLACK" or as a "minority" and be viewed positively. You know, given how he must, should or otherwise would do well to "TRANSCEND" BLACK or MINORITY - i.e. he just couldn't be that. The "WHAT" (he should be or why he had to TRANSCEND), of course... was never answered.

I'll tell you what I'm getting at...

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For African-Americans, "black" has always been an absolute adjective: Like "pregnant" or "dead," there's no such thing as a little bit. Expressions such as, "I ain't gotta do nothing but be black and die," phrases that begin, "As long as you black ..." confirm black folks' awareness that the racial attitudes behind the "one drop" rule laid down in the 19th century by the Supreme Court are as immutable and eternal as the biblical creation. Since the 17th century, it has seemed that white people must hold black people firmly at arm's length for the world to keep on turning.


IMO, the logic behind the "I Don't See [THEM] As Black" thing (and, mind you, this comes from a liberal, though Jewish and religiously/morally conservative White poster) ends up saying: BLACK = BAD. WOMAN, too.

Why else would either OBAMA or HILLARY need to TRANSCEND their race or gender to be acceptable, legitimate, worthy or, perhaps, successful pres. candidates?

Seriously, what's up with that?


OBAMA (and HILLARY, being a woman), somehow, must or should TRANSCEND those "labels." LABELS that uniquely apply to them, for some reason, when neither the GWB's, e.g., RACE or GENDER amounts to a negative or problematic "label" that he ever had to TRANSCEND.

That's all... Well, not!!

It's also important to note that my friend wouldn't and apparently couldn't answer for what it is that makes OBAMA or any Black person for that matter... what type of character(istics) OBAMA possesses that helps him "transcend"...


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I'll tell you what I'm getting at...


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For African-Americans, "black" has always been an absolute adjective: Like "pregnant" or "dead," there's no such thing as a little bit. Expressions such as, "I ain't gotta do nothing but be black and die," phrases that begin, "As long as you black ..." confirm black folks' awareness that the racial attitudes behind the "one drop" rule laid down in the 19th century by the Supreme Court are as immutable and eternal as the biblical creation. Since the 17th century, it has seemed that white people must hold black people firmly at arm's length for the world to keep on turning.



IMO, the logic behind the "I Don't See [THEM] As Black" thing (and, mind you, this comes from a liberal, though Jewish and religiously/morally conservative White poster) ends up saying: BLACK = BAD. WOMAN, too.---Nmaginate

I agree with your conclusions.

Your is being honest.

He/She is projecting the view, the conclusion, of our society that 'black', and being 'black' is a negative...

Thus it is to be transcended.

It 'black' is to be overcome.

He/She does not see 'black' simply as an adjective, but rather as at least a 'condition'...a circumstance definitely a liability...a negative.

He doesn't 'see' Obama as 'black'...yet..

I would very interested to know how he identities Barak Obama.

What terminology does he/she apply to Obama to indicate his transcendancy?

Please ask him/her in your next encounter.

He/she will be severly challenged to come up with a term.

I think.


PEACE

Jim Chester

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