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From 1955 to 1995, Democrats led the House. From 1955 to 1981, Democrats led the Senate. Democrats have controlled congress during the incubation of all the last major recessions, except the recession of 2001, in which Democrats controlled the senate and Republicans controlled the house. Moreover, Republicans controlled congress during the Clinton boom years, from 96 to 2000. Also, Democrats held the majority in Congress during the final two years of the Bush Presidency (when this current downturn began...in other words). Furthermore, the terrible period of economic stagflation was when President Jimmy Carter (D), Mike/Robert Byrd Mansfield (D) senate and Tip O’neal/Jim Wright (D) controlled both the executive and legistlative branches of power.

Now, given that the constitution made congress a co-equal branch of government to the Presidency, it is simply a demonstration of ignorance to ONLY focus on the executive branch and which Party it was. Equal, if not more, blame goes to congress since they appropriate spending and write the legislation. The democrat’s track record on the economy, from a congressional point of view, is clear. They held control during the creation of 3 of the last 4 recessions and when they had control of the executive and legislative branches of government, it created one of the worst economic situations since the great depression. Who inherited this mess? Ronald Reagan.

Whets my point? My point here is that people on this forum are not looking for truth and understanding. I am not a republican or a democrat. When I listen to the argument being made here and the blaming of Bush, it all sounds so IGNORANT TO ME. Why? The reason is above. That is the TRUTH. You never hear people on here presenting the complete picture of causation. That is born from bias and or ignorance on how the system works. Instead of dealing with this reality, that demonstrates clearly that people either don’t know how the system works or are simply being disingenuous to a fault. Take your pick; the bottom line is that both do a disservice to truth and the quest for REAL KNOWLEDGE and understanding. Instead of addressing this, Ebony rose goes on a misdirection tirade about how I was wrong about Clinton winning and Yadda Yaddd Yaddda, which does not have a damn thing to do with the facts that the argument made here, by most participants, is void of understanding and respect for how THE SYSTEM WORKS.

Fiscal and Monetary policy are the direct government levers that influence the economy, as well as, laws. Hence, Congress, the President and the FED (Monetary policy) are ALL complicit in the economic ramifications of this nation, which are born from internal policy alone. Yet all you hear on this forum is…..OBAMA INHERITED BUSHES MESS. BUSH Screwed things up. Congress and the Fed, plus historical truths about past policies and performance pre Bush 2, are ignored. This is what PISSES ME THE F’CK OFF. People are not dealing with their biases. People are not arguing based upon how THE SYSTEM WORKS. People are arguing based upon team membership. There are a select few people on this forum who are really concerned about getting to the best understanding and what it means down the line and how we should prepare ourselves.

Enjoy your ignorance....while you can. Now...if no one can recognize the pattern of history....let me inform you. The recent history of of complete one party control seems to be disasterous for the economy. Even more scary is hyper activity taking place doing this latest manifestation of that phenomenon……which could REALLY screw things up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...nate_Majority_Leader

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...e_of_Representatives
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Okay ... accepting the little bit of what you wrote that I read as true, then why do you post all the Obama hating, i.e., Obama is wrong on the economy, threads?


First, it is not hating....it truthful commentary that you HATE TO HEAR. The HATE is born from the fact that you, as well as others, HATE to here it. Secondly, Obama just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy. I cannot give him a pass just because he is Obama. Thirdly, its is just not correct they assumption that people make about Democrats and the economy. Bush was not behaving like a Republican, traditionaly. He was spending like a traditional Democrat. So the idea that the solution comes from Democrats does not hold water either.
re: the effort to paint everybody (except you of course) as ignorant of and uninterested in the political process, government, and public policy...

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Whets my point? My point here is that people on this forum are not looking for truth and understanding. I am not a republican or a democrat. When I listen to the argument being made here and the blaming of Bush, it all sounds so IGNORANT TO ME. Why? The reason is above. That is the TRUTH. You never hear people on here presenting the complete picture of causation. That is born from bias and or ignorance on how the system works. Instead of dealing with this reality, that demonstrates clearly that people either don’t know how the system works or are simply being disingenuous to a fault. Take your pick; the bottom line is that both do a disservice to truth and the quest for REAL KNOWLEDGE and understanding. Instead of addressing this, Ebony rose goes on a misdirection tirade about how I was wrong about Clinton winning and Yadda Yaddd Yaddda, which does not have a damn thing to do with the facts that the argument made here, by most participants, is void of understanding and respect for how THE SYSTEM WORKS.




Noah, have Empty Purnata, MBM, Vox, Kweli, Yemaya, Muhammad Cipher, Raptor, Black Viking, Oshun Auset, Khalliqa, Nmaginate, Whirling Moat, Ebony Rose, Momentum, James Wesley Chester, Negrospiritual, Romulus Burnett, LieDecriptor, Kocolicious, HonestBrother, Fabulous, Wiz, and AC9311, (sorry if i left out any regulars) posted articles and/or commented upon threads on a regular basis about

the economy
the mortgage crisis
the banking system
obama's political appointments
various political statements
Court decisions
Governmental policy
Law enforcement
Political campaign moves
foreign policy
and African American interests?



YES? or NO?



Even further, to address your fake "bias" claim; have 99.9% of the aforementioned regular I&P posters made at least one statement which was critical of some aspect of President or Candidate Obama in any of those threads?



YES? or NO?



I can't wait to use the archive function on his azz...He so very clearly has not taken the time to read the opinions of his fellow AA.org posters. He simply assumes he knows EVERYBODY's stance on EVERYTHING! Continuously bleating out that "yaw negroes" spiel like a demented sheep.
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First, it is not hating....it truthful commentary that you HATE TO HEAR.


What? Confused It's truthful that it ain't Bush's fault that he implemented failed policies that were ill advised and brought down the economy because of the co-equal governance system; but it IS Obama's fault because he just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy, despite the co-equal governance system?

Man ... You really are conflicted, aren't you?

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I cannot give him a pass just because he is Obama.


lol That's funny ... You so have it twisted. lol

What you seem to be missing - that everyone else who happens across any of your commentary clearly can see - is your giving Obama a pass because he's Black has never been at issue; it's your Blaming of him BECAUSE he's Black that is, and has been, the problem.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
re: the effort to paint everybody (except you of course) as ignorant of and uninterested in the political process, government, and public policy...

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Whets my point? My point here is that people on this forum are not looking for truth and understanding. I am not a republican or a democrat. When I listen to the argument being made here and the blaming of Bush, it all sounds so IGNORANT TO ME. Why? The reason is above. That is the TRUTH. You never hear people on here presenting the complete picture of causation. That is born from bias and or ignorance on how the system works. Instead of dealing with this reality, that demonstrates clearly that people either don’t know how the system works or are simply being disingenuous to a fault. Take your pick; the bottom line is that both do a disservice to truth and the quest for REAL KNOWLEDGE and understanding. Instead of addressing this, Ebony rose goes on a misdirection tirade about how I was wrong about Clinton winning and Yadda Yaddd Yaddda, which does not have a damn thing to do with the facts that the argument made here, by most participants, is void of understanding and respect for how THE SYSTEM WORKS.




Noah, have Empty Purnata, MBM, Vox, Kweli, Yemaya, Muhammad Cipher, Raptor, Black Viking, Oshun Auset, Khalliqa, Nmaginate, Whirling Moat, Ebony Rose, Momentum, James Wesley Chester, Negrospiritual, Romulus Burnett, LieDecriptor, Kocolicious, HonestBrother, Fabulous, Wiz, and AC9311, (sorry if i left out any regulars) posted articles and/or commented upon threads on a regular basis about

the economy
the mortgage crisis
the banking system
obama's political appointments
various political statements
Court decisions
Governmental policy
Law enforcement
Political campaign moves
foreign policy
and African American interests?



YES? or NO?



Even further, to address your fake "bias" claim; have 99.9% of the aforementioned regular I&P posters made at least one statement which was critical of some aspect of President or Candidate Obama in any of those threads?



YES? or NO?



I can't wait to use the archive function on his azz...He so very clearly has not taken the time to read the opinions of his fellow AA.org posters. He simply assumes he knows EVERYBODY's stance on EVERYTHING!


Yes.

That said, your list is hardly monolithic. Just because people in this list post articles, that does not negate the fact that the general theme of many of their SELF MADE arguments, is that Bush screwed things up and that Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans. Posting an article is not necessarily making an argument.

I don’t know how you putting together that list change the fact that there is an inherent democratic bias that negates the whole story from being told or accepted by individuals on this forum who have a bias for the Democratic Party. That is what I have argued all along....the fact that most of you are democrats impacts your ability to see the whole picture. Its either bias and or ignorance, but either way, it leads to arguments and passions that have a very weak foundation of truth.

My position is f;ck the republicans and Democrats. The democrats have power now and they are the current context of my criticism.

Now...are you saying there is no democratic bias on this site......yes or No?
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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First, it is not hating....it truthful commentary that you HATE TO HEAR.


What? Confused It's truthful that it ain't Bush's fault that he implemented failed policies that were ill advised and brought down the economy because of the co-equal governance system; but it IS Obama's fault because he just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy, despite the co-equal governance system?

Man ... You really are conflicted, aren't you?

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I cannot give him a pass just because he is Obama.


lol That's funny ... You so have it twisted. lol

What you seem to be missing - that everyone else who happens across any of your commentary clearly can see - is your giving Obama a pass because he's Black has never been at issue; it's your Blaming of him BECAUSE he's Black that is, and has been, the problem.


You see, you are a bozo azz Negro! Here it is I present a valid argument that the executive, legislature and the Fed all exercise impact upon the economy by their actions. Yet, your bozo azz, continues to argue that Bush, alone, is responsible for passing a terrible situation on to Obama. Yes, its a LIE that bush is responsible for this. History is responsible and Bush is simply a player in that history, along with others. Your bozo azz ignored the trade deficit over almost the last 30 years, the steady decline of our manufacturing base over the last 30 years, what the Bush administration inherited when it took office, the quantitative easing policies of the FED, the rise in oil prices etc…….Its bozo azz Negroes and ignorant azz uniformed arguments like yours that have me clown on yo bozo azzes.
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Whets my point? My point here is that people on this forum are not looking for truth and understanding. I am not a republican or a democrat. When I listen to the argument being made here and the blaming of Bush, it all sounds so IGNORANT TO ME. Why? The reason is above. That is the TRUTH. You never hear people on here presenting the complete picture of causation. That is born from bias and or ignorance on how the system works. Instead of dealing with this reality, that demonstrates clearly that people either don’t know how the system works or are simply being disingenuous to a fault. Take your pick; the bottom line is that both do a disservice to truth and the quest for REAL KNOWLEDGE and understanding. Instead of addressing this, Ebony rose goes on a misdirection tirade about how I was wrong about Clinton winning and Yadda Yaddd Yaddda, which does not have a damn thing to do with the facts that the argument made here, by most participants, is void of understanding and respect for how THE SYSTEM WORKS.


Please relieve my ignorance.

Is the planned obsolescence of automobiles the result of Democrats or Republicans or Monetary or Fiscal policy?

Which of those things are responsible for economists saying nothing about how much has been lost on the depreciation of that crap since 1959?

Galbraith was talking about that in 1959. How old were Bush and Obama then?

um
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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Whets my point? My point here is that people on this forum are not looking for truth and understanding. I am not a republican or a democrat. When I listen to the argument being made here and the blaming of Bush, it all sounds so IGNORANT TO ME. Why? The reason is above. That is the TRUTH. You never hear people on here presenting the complete picture of causation. That is born from bias and or ignorance on how the system works. Instead of dealing with this reality, that demonstrates clearly that people either don’t know how the system works or are simply being disingenuous to a fault. Take your pick; the bottom line is that both do a disservice to truth and the quest for REAL KNOWLEDGE and understanding. Instead of addressing this, Ebony rose goes on a misdirection tirade about how I was wrong about Clinton winning and Yadda Yaddd Yaddda, which does not have a damn thing to do with the facts that the argument made here, by most participants, is void of understanding and respect for how THE SYSTEM WORKS.


Please relieve my ignorance.

Is the planned obsolescence of automobiles the result of Democrats or Republicans or Monetary or Fiscal policy?

Which of those things are responsible for economists saying nothing about how much has been lost on the depreciation of that crap since 1959?

Galbraith was talking about that in 1959. How old were Bush and Obama then?

um


I would have never guessed that you were going to say that.... lol
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

My position is f;ck the republicans and Democrats.


Do you think you are the only person on this board (or in the world, for that matter) who knows that both the Dems and Repubs are simply two different sides of the same f*cked up coin, Noah? Confused


No...there are about two others. The people who don't understand that demonstrat it by continuing to back one of the two f'cked up parties and by never giving credit to anything the other party does as being "better" for the nation.
Oh I see ... You don't understand what you wrote.

Let me recap for you:

You gave a civics lesson wherein you explained that this mess is not Bush's fault [even to the point of saying that "Yes, its a LIE that bush is responsible for this]. You base this opinion on the fact that in our system of government we have the executive office and congress [and the judiciary] that are co-equal. Plus, you threw in the Fed Chairman as well. So, per your argument, since the executive office AND congress AND the Fed Chairman make policy, it cannot be Bush's fault alone ... everyone shares the credit or the blame. We got that ...

Then I said:

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Okay ... accepting the little bit of what you wrote that I read as true, then why do you post all the Obama hating, i.e., Obama is wrong on the economy, threads?


To which you responded [in pertinent part]:
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First, it is not hating....it truthful commentary that you HATE TO HEAR .... Secondly, Obama just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy. I cannot give him a pass just because he is Obama.


To which I responded [in pertinent part]:
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it ain't Bush's fault that he implemented failed policies that were ill advised and brought down the economy because of the co-equal governance system; but it IS Obama's fault because he just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy, despite the co-equal governance system?


To which you got to doing some name calling [see NegroSpiritual, Re: NTA-Formulaic Response], while adding more lumber to the "it ain't the white guy's fault" argument [while noticeably not affording Obama the same market conditions pass]; completely ignoring the internal inconsistency [read: fuckeduppedness] of your apologoletic argument, i.e., it's not Bush's fault because others were involved; but it is Obama's fault despite others being involved.
Let me be clear, you cannot argue both and maintain credibility.

It's not hard to see that the only variable in your opinion is the race of the actor, i.e., white=absolution, if not given a pass; whereas, Black=blame-worth.


Does it hurt to be that conflicted on issues of Black folk? Might I suggest a good self-esteem program ... or, pyschotherapy?
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

My position is f;ck the republicans and Democrats.


Do you think you are the only person on this board (or in the world, for that matter) who knows that both the Dems and Repubs are simply two different sides of the same f*cked up coin, Noah? Confused


No...there are about two others. The people who don't understand that demonstrat it by continuing to back one of the two f'cked up parties and by never giving credit to anything the other party does as being "better" for the nation.


Please name ONE Republican Administration where there was ANY net gain or any other kind of substantial benefit for BLACK PEOPLE as a community.
Noah, you forgot to answer this part!

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

Even further, to address your fake "bias" claim; have 99.9% of the aforementioned regular I&P posters made at least one statement which was critical of some aspect of President or Candidate Obama in any of those threads?



YES? or NO?



Will you lie so you can keep bleating out that "Yaw negroes is blind" bs???

Or will you acknowledge the truth? that despite your ignorant assertions, posters at AA.org have been balanced in their support and criticism...?
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Please name ONE Republican Administration where there was ANY net gain or any other kind of substantial benefit for BLACK PEOPLE as a community.


E.R., now you know better than that, NTA will go back to the ole Black Republican handbook and dust off the: "Lincoln was a republican and he freed the slaves" line.


laugh

I was trying to think of what he could possibly come up with as an answer to that!!

And yep ... I'll put a $20 down on a 19th Century response ... it'll have to be the best he can do! lol
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Oh I see ... You don't understand what you wrote.

Let me recap for you:

You gave a civics lesson wherein you explained that this mess is not Bush's fault [even to the point of saying that "Yes, its a LIE that bush is responsible for this]. You base this opinion on the fact that in our system of government we have the executive office and congress [and the judiciary] that are co-equal. Plus, you threw in the Fed Chairman as well. So, per your argument, since the executive office AND congress AND the Fed Chairman make policy, it cannot be Bush's fault alone ... everyone shares the credit or the blame. We got that ...

Then I said:

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Okay ... accepting the little bit of what you wrote that I read as true, then why do you post all the Obama hating, i.e., Obama is wrong on the economy, threads?


To which you responded [in pertinent part]:
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First, it is not hating....it truthful commentary that you HATE TO HEAR .... Secondly, Obama just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy. I cannot give him a pass just because he is Obama.


To which I responded [in pertinent part]:
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it ain't Bush's fault that he implemented failed policies that were ill advised and brought down the economy because of the co-equal governance system; but it IS Obama's fault because he just happens to be the one implementing the wrong policy, despite the co-equal governance system?


To which you got to doing some name calling [see NegroSpiritual, Re: NTA-Formulaic Response], while adding more lumber to the "it ain't the white guy's fault" argument [while noticeably not affording Obama the same market conditions pass]; completely ignoring the internal inconsistency [read: fuckeduppedness] of your apologoletic argument, i.e., it's not Bush's fault because others were involved; but it is Obama's fault despite others being involved.
Let me be clear, you cannot argue both and maintain credibility.

It's not hard to see that the only variable in your opinion is the race of the actor, i.e., white=absolution, if not given a pass; whereas, Black=blame-worth.


Does it hurt to be that conflicted on issues of Black folk? Might I suggest a good self-esteem program ... or, pyschotherapy?


Look, you are the one who is touting his English proficiency, at least relative to mine. Bush’s policies had a negative impact, but Bush’s policies DID NOT CREATE THE ECONOMIC MESS WE ARE IN. Obama is now the president, he is also implementing wrong/damaging policies. I have not attributed the MESS WE ARE IN ECONOMICALLY, to OBAMA, just like I did not attribute it to Bush. That Bozo sh1t you are arguing does not make any damn sense. There are MANY contributing entities, past and present, who together, and only together, shoulder the responsibility for what is manifesting with the economy.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

My position is f;ck the republicans and Democrats.


Do you think you are the only person on this board (or in the world, for that matter) who knows that both the Dems and Repubs are simply two different sides of the same f*cked up coin, Noah? Confused


No...there are about two others. The people who don't understand that demonstrat it by continuing to back one of the two f'cked up parties and by never giving credit to anything the other party does as being "better" for the nation.


Please name ONE Republican Administration where there was ANY net gain or any other kind of substantial benefit for BLACK PEOPLE as a community.


Uh…….how about Lincoln? What a stumper. Is the depth of your thinking? Moreover, are you contradicting your claim that Democrats and republicans are essentially different sides of the same f’cked upon coin? You just said that and asked me if I were aware that I was not the only person who realized that? Now, you are essentially arguing that republicans and Democrats are not indeed opposite sides of the same f’cked up coin, but rather, a different and better coin. Again, this is the type of double talk bullsh1t biased rebuttal that warrants disrespect.

For the record, the primary reason that I don’t like the Republican Party is because many of the racist defected there after the dixicrat revolution in the 60’s. Before then, blacks voted Republican in much greater percentages than they do now. Prior to that, it was FDR that really attracted blacks to the democratic part with his new deal. Prior to that, blacks tended to be Republicans, although they could not participate in the voting process in the South were most of blacks lived.

That said, the way I feel about the Republicans in regards to economic policy is not corrupted by my bias against them in regards to social policy and race. I take it issue by issue. Right now the nation is in an economic crisis and I am using and economic critic and not a social one.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Noah, you forgot to answer this part!

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:

Even further, to address your fake "bias" claim; have 99.9% of the aforementioned regular I&P posters made at least one statement which was critical of some aspect of President or Candidate Obama in any of those threads?



YES? or NO?



Will you lie so you can keep bleating out that "Yaw negroes is blind" bs???

Or will you acknowledge the truth? that despite your ignorant assertions, posters at AA.org have been balanced in their support and criticism...?


Another stupid azz comment. Criticism of your own does not represent the absence of bias against others. You keep throwing out these stupid azz illogical arguments. A Christian may criticize the acts of another Christian, but that does not mean that they don’t have a religious bias against Muslims and favoritism for Christians.
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Look, you are the one who is touting his English proficiency, at least relative to mine. Bush’s policies had a negative impact, but Bush’s policies DID NOT CREATE THE ECONOMIC MESS WE ARE IN. Obama is now the president, he is also implementing wrong/damaging policies. I have not attributed the MESS WE ARE IN ECONOMICALLY, to OBAMA, just like I did not attribute it to Bush.


Is that lie your final answer? [Remember ... this site does have a search feature] If so, thanks for playing and don't forget your consolation prize on your way out the back door.

While it is true that you have not attributed this [current] mess to Obama, you have not attributed it to anyone, least of all the white boy, Bush. No, instead you are channeling Nostradomus to lay the future blame on Obama and Obama alone.

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That Bozo sh1t you are arguing does not make any damn sense.


You're projecting again. But I recognize your formulation [thanks N.S.] ... One of my law school professors once told me: "If the law is on your side; pound the law. If the facts are on your side; pound the facts. If neither are on your side; pound the table and attack the opposing counsel.

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There are MANY contributing entities, past and present, who together, and only together, shoulder the responsibility for what is manifesting with the economy.


I agree ... but a significant part of our present circumstance is directly related to Bush's military misadventures, Bush's crony economics, and Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.

For you not to recognize this speaks volumes about your "objectivity", "unbiasness", and intellectual honesty.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

That said, the way I feel about the Republicans in regards to economic policy is not corrupted by my bias against them in regards to social policy and race. I take it issue by issue. Right now the nation is in an economic crisis and I am using and economic critic and not a social one.



Look, you egomaniacal nutbag, we've already covered this once in the Jesse Ventura Schooling Folks thread where you tried to assert that Bush II is a hapless victim of history bs

http://africanamerica.org/eve/...79160213/m/572103561

here's your Bush II apologist drivel:

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I am no fan of George Bush, but I think it is unwise and unfair to say that George Bush left us with this mess we are in. The present is the summation of the past. The mess that the US is currently experiencing was decades in the making.



But the ish that trips you up is the FACT that we all know that "THIS MESS" is not strictly limited to economic conditions as you try to narrow it down to. One mo gin for the learning disabled...

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While all those economic factors are likely to be true, George Bush is responsible for many harmful foreign policy and domestic policies. He openly F'd the constitution. George Bush II led the country into 2 simultenous wars, one of them totally elective and on false pretenses under the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive strike".

There's no intelligent reason to absolve Bush II of his bad policies. Not only is he responsible for billions of taxpayers dollars spent per month in Iraq for the past 7 years but he routinely ignored the constitution on matters like NSA warrantless wiretapping, military commissions, the detention and treatment of 'enemy combatants,' habeas corpus, violation of human rights, and the power to declare war .

In addition, here are some things (courtesy of National Review and Huffington Post)that had a negative effect on the country (not just economically) all done courtesy of Bush II:

Scrapping the Kyoto Protocol.

Poking holes in ANWR looking for oil.

Taxcuts for the rich in the middle of 2 wars which did nothing to stimulate the economy

Letting campaign contributors formulate national policy.

Faith-based Initiatives.

Backing out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty.

Not doing anything other than sucking 700 billion worth of taxpayer indebtedness to fund the TARP program

Stimulating the mortgage crisis

Poor handling of Hurricane Katrina

Gonzalez-gate and the firing of federal prosecutors for silly reasons..

Basically handicapping the Office of Civil Rights.

Not dealing honestly with Enron and California Power crisis

Outing Valerie Plame - Scooter Libby Spy affair

Sending an Amicus Brief to the SCOTUS trying to end affirmative action via the University admissions cases...

While it's true that the attitudes and actions of citizenry, the government and the USA economic system have been problematic for a long time, it's not true that George Bush II cannot be blamed for many of today's issues. George Dubya Bush definitely created a mess and left a mess.



And while your learning disabled mismatch garanimals wearing azz REPETITIVELY try to absolve the war criminal BUSH II, from all responsibility of screwing over the country, by narrowly restricting YOUR focus to economics only, the astute observer is aware that the bush II administration messed up on a wide array of issues.

You need to abandon this crazy repetitive assertion that Bush II is somehow blamelesss. There's too much information out there, widely available that directly contradicts that foolishness...

GET A CLUE 99
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

You're projecting again. But I recognize your formulation [thanks N.S.] ...



I noticed a while back while trying to participate in economic threads, he becomes belligerent for no particular reason other than entertainment value. Dude is adolescent and predictable as heyall:

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Noah's Quick and Easy Formula for Harassing AA.org posters:

1. make a mild criticism of Obama

2. when nobody responds make a big long multi-paragraph amorphous complaint about a million different things but mostly anti-obama sentiment.

3. wait for someone to respond/fall into the trap, then make accusations of bias and group think especially "yaw negroes"

4. turn the situation into a personal pissing match and a battle of verbal taunts

5. Having met your goal of setting up a situation where you get to unleash testosterone, rub the felt off your antlers, hurl insults, and derail the thread with continued multiple loosely constructed unclear paragraphs until the thread is no longer about the original topic, but about how YOU are so insightful and everyone else is blind yaw neegroes despite not knowing what their actual position is or has been.

6. proceed to smug self satisfaction
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

My position is f;ck the republicans and Democrats.


Do you think you are the only person on this board (or in the world, for that matter) who knows that both the Dems and Repubs are simply two different sides of the same f*cked up coin, Noah? Confused


No...there are about two others. The people who don't understand that demonstrat it by continuing to back one of the two f'cked up parties and by never giving credit to anything the other party does as being "better" for the nation.


Please name ONE Republican Administration where there was ANY net gain or any other kind of substantial benefit for BLACK PEOPLE as a community.


Uh…….how about Lincoln? What a stumper. Is the depth of your thinking? Moreover, are you contradicting your claim that Democrats and republicans are essentially different sides of the same f’cked upon coin? You just said that and asked me if I were aware that I was not the only person who realized that? Now, you are essentially arguing that republicans and Democrats are not indeed opposite sides of the same f’cked up coin, but rather, a different and better coin. Again, this is the type of double talk bullsh1t biased rebuttal that warrants disrespect.

For the record, the primary reason that I don’t like the Republican Party is because many of the racist defected there after the dixicrat revolution in the 60’s. Before then, blacks voted Republican in much greater percentages than they do now. Prior to that, it was FDR that really attracted blacks to the democratic part with his new deal. Prior to that, blacks tended to be Republicans, although they could not participate in the voting process in the South were most of blacks lived.

That said, the way I feel about the Republicans in regards to economic policy is not corrupted by my bias against them in regards to social policy and race. I take it issue by issue. Right now the nation is in an economic crisis and I am using and economic critic and not a social one.


Ummmmmmm .... 19 ... does anybody see an answer to my question in alladat ... 'cause I gotta admit, I'm just not finding it. Frown
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Fiscal and Monetary policy are the direct government levers that influence the economy, as well as, laws. Hence, Congress, the President and the FED (Monetary policy) are ALL complicit in the economic ramifications of this nation, which are born from internal policy alone. Yet all you hear on this forum is…..OBAMA INHERITED BUSHES MESS. BUSH Screwed things up. Congress and the Fed, plus historical truths about past policies and performance pre Bush 2, are ignored. This is what PISSES ME THE F’CK OFF. People are not dealing with their biases. People are not arguing based upon how THE SYSTEM WORKS. People are arguing based upon team membership. There are a select few people on this forum who are really concerned about getting to the best understanding and what it means down the line and how we should prepare ourselves.


Good point. And you are correct –the crisis we are experiencing is the failure of a combination of various policies and deregulations that spans more than one administration, congress and federal monetary and banking regulations actions (and non-actions). No doubt. But I believe what most people object to is your constant carping about Obama when the man has been in office less than six months! Not to mention the fact that he did inherit a coat hanger abortion economic crisis that was steam rolled by the Bush 43 administration. You seem to forget Bush was president for the past eight years!!! He did nothing in the past eight years (until the last six months) to blunt the tidal wave of the economic meltdown we are now experiencing.

But to be fair, you did explain your disdain for Republicans and your distrust for Democrats. I have no problems with that. But the tone of your ongoing cynicism tends to be directed at Obama when the man is doing everything legally he can do at this point. You may not like him for whatever reason and you are entitled to your political opinions of the man. No problem. But you cannot say (with conscious honesty and accuracy) that he is not trying to improve the state of the economy. At times, it seems as if you have been sipping some of the piss and vinegar Kool Aid made daily by Rush Limbaugh.

For the sake of clarity and persuasion, perhaps you would be more definitive with your reasons for disliking the Democrats. Again, I have no problems with your dislike of the Democrats but I wish you would specify exactly what this Democrat dominated congress is doing (or not doing) that merits your constant bashing. The Republicans are in total disarray while making complete asses out of themselves at the same time. That’s very obvious and merits no explanations.

And for your statement; “……what it means down the line and how we should prepare ourselves”, prepare ourselves for what?? A major economic calamity? Bro, it’s already here and happening! What is there to do? Stock pile food, guns and ammo???
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
re: the effort to paint everybody (except you of course) as ignorant of and uninterested in the political process, government, and public policy...

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Whets my point? My point here is that people on this forum are not looking for truth and understanding. I am not a republican or a democrat. When I listen to the argument being made here and the blaming of Bush, it all sounds so IGNORANT TO ME. Why? The reason is above. That is the TRUTH. You never hear people on here presenting the complete picture of causation. That is born from bias and or ignorance on how the system works. Instead of dealing with this reality, that demonstrates clearly that people either don’t know how the system works or are simply being disingenuous to a fault. Take your pick; the bottom line is that both do a disservice to truth and the quest for REAL KNOWLEDGE and understanding. Instead of addressing this, Ebony rose goes on a misdirection tirade about how I was wrong about Clinton winning and Yadda Yaddd Yaddda, which does not have a damn thing to do with the facts that the argument made here, by most participants, is void of understanding and respect for how THE SYSTEM WORKS.




Noah, have Empty Purnata, MBM, Vox, Kweli, Yemaya, Muhammad Cipher, Raptor, Black Viking, Oshun Auset, Khalliqa, Nmaginate, Whirling Moat, Ebony Rose, Momentum, James Wesley Chester, Negrospiritual, Romulus Burnett, LieDecriptor, Kocolicious, HonestBrother, Fabulous, Wiz, and AC9311, (sorry if i left out any regulars) posted articles and/or commented upon threads on a regular basis about

the economy
the mortgage crisis
the banking system
obama's political appointments
various political statements
Court decisions
Governmental policy
Law enforcement
Political campaign moves
foreign policy
and African American interests?



YES? or NO?



Even further, to address your fake "bias" claim; have 99.9% of the aforementioned regular I&P posters made at least one statement which was critical of some aspect of President or Candidate Obama in any of those threads?



YES? or NO?



I can't wait to use the archive function on his azz...He so very clearly has not taken the time to read the opinions of his fellow AA.org posters. He simply assumes he knows EVERYBODY's stance on EVERYTHING! Continuously bleating out that "yaw negroes" spiel like a demented sheep.


yeah thanks
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

My position is f;ck the republicans and Democrats.


Do you think you are the only person on this board (or in the world, for that matter) who knows that both the Dems and Repubs are simply two different sides of the same f*cked up coin, Noah? Confused


No...there are about two others. The people who don't understand that demonstrat it by continuing to back one of the two f'cked up parties and by never giving credit to anything the other party does as being "better" for the nation.


Please name ONE Republican Administration where there was ANY net gain or any other kind of substantial benefit for BLACK PEOPLE as a community.


The only two I might risk saying is possibly Lincoln and Eisenhower. Every Republican president and Congress since Eisenhower has been notably anti-black.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
And while your learning disabled mismatch garanimals wearing azz REPETITIVELY try to absolve the war criminal BUSH II, from all responsibility of screwing over the country, by narrowly restricting YOUR focus to economics only, the astute observer is aware that the bush II administration messed up on a wide array of issues.

You need to abandon this crazy repetitive assertion that Bush II is somehow blamelesss. There's too much information out there, widely available that directly contradicts that foolishness...

GET A CLUE 99


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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
And while your learning disabled mismatch garanimals wearing azz REPETITIVELY try to absolve the war criminal BUSH II, from all responsibility of screwing over the country, by narrowly restricting YOUR focus to economics only, the astute observer is aware that the bush II administration messed up on a wide array of issues.

You need to abandon this crazy repetitive assertion that Bush II is somehow blamelesss. There's too much information out there, widely available that directly contradicts that foolishness...

GET A CLUE 99


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laugh how in the world did I miss that? laugh
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Originally posted by Xeon:
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Fiscal and Monetary policy are the direct government levers that influence the economy, as well as, laws. Hence, Congress, the President and the FED (Monetary policy) are ALL complicit in the economic ramifications of this nation, which are born from internal policy alone. Yet all you hear on this forum is…..OBAMA INHERITED BUSHES MESS. BUSH Screwed things up. Congress and the Fed, plus historical truths about past policies and performance pre Bush 2, are ignored. This is what PISSES ME THE F’CK OFF. People are not dealing with their biases. People are not arguing based upon how THE SYSTEM WORKS. People are arguing based upon team membership. There are a select few people on this forum who are really concerned about getting to the best understanding and what it means down the line and how we should prepare ourselves.


Good point. And you are correct –the crisis we are experiencing is the failure of a combination of various policies and deregulations that spans more than one administration, congress and federal monetary and banking regulations actions (and non-actions). No doubt. But I believe what most people object to is your constant carping about Obama when the man has been in office less than six months! Not to mention the fact that he did inherit a coat hanger abortion economic crisis that was steam rolled by the Bush 43 administration. You seem to forget Bush was president for the past eight years!!! He did nothing in the past eight years (until the last six months) to blunt the tidal wave of the economic meltdown we are now experiencing.

But to be fair, you did explain your disdain for Republicans and your distrust for Democrats. I have no problems with that. But the tone of your ongoing cynicism tends to be directed at Obama when the man is doing everything legally he can do at this point. You may not like him for whatever reason and you are entitled to your political opinions of the man. No problem. But you cannot say (with conscious honesty and accuracy) that he is not trying to improve the state of the economy. At times, it seems as if you have been sipping some of the piss and vinegar Kool Aid made daily by Rush Limbaugh.

For the sake of clarity and persuasion, perhaps you would be more definitive with your reasons for disliking the Democrats. Again, I have no problems with your dislike of the Democrats but I wish you would specify exactly what this Democrat dominated congress is doing (or not doing) that merits your constant bashing. The Republicans are in total disarray while making complete asses out of themselves at the same time. That’s very obvious and merits no explanations.

And for your statement; “……what it means down the line and how we should prepare ourselves”, prepare ourselves for what?? A major economic calamity? Bro, it’s already here and happening! What is there to do? Stock pile food, guns and ammo???


This is the only rebuttal, thus far, that warrants a respectful answer from me.
First of all, for the umpteenth time, I don’t have ANYTHING personal against Obama. It is only the OPINION, and an erroneous one at that, that I have something personal against Obama. That is emphatically not true! My ire and beef is really with the lack of strategic unity on behalf of black America to command the type of political respect that results in POLICIES being created that confront socioeconomic racial equality. In that regards, Obama HAS BEEN symbolism without substance. Black America did not NEED a black president. Black America NEEDED black policies. Why? The answer and reason is born for egregious statistical imbalances between blacks and whites in America, such as poverty, unemployment and the like being multiple times worse than what exists for white America. A rising tide WILL NEVER ADDRESS THE UNEQUAL CONDITION OF THE BOATS IN THE WATER! Just think if that was the policy of Johnson in the 60’s, to use the rising tide theory when there was an even more egregious separate and unequal racial equality in this nation. A rising tide benefits those vessels that are more structurally buoyant and can take advantage of it. Hence, like races in America, vessels that have Advantage will grab a disproportionate benefit of the rising tide than vessels in poorer conditions. So the rising tide theory or methodology, in my opinion, is simply a copout and sell out of our DIRECT POLICY NEEDS. Furthermore, I am not judging Obama on the 100 days he has been in office alone. I am judging Obama on his behavior since he started running for President and demonstrating a obvious aversion to black gatherings, leadership and popular mainstream black opinion and how he castigated blacks on more than one occasion, trying to ensure white voters that he is a “Safe” Negro, who will not get in office and try to “Pay back” whites by championing black causes. This PATTERN has been demonstrated by Obama for well over a year. The end result being that blacks are again absent needed POLICIES that DIRECTILY addresses the fact that there is structural inequality between the vessels in the water that a rising tide will not only not solve, but will exacerbate the.

Now, in the realm of economics……..if you have followed things I have said for over a year, I have been warning people of an economic collapse. Why? The reason being is that it is best to be ahead of the curve in preparation for such a reality. I am truly concerned about the fate of not only my family, in the fallout, but also the Black family, who is usually impacted the hardest by any negative phenomenon. I posted links to information concerning why the economy is destined to collapse, regardless of who sits in the white house, that is related to finite oil, rising energy cost, debt, unfunded liabilities, the growth of China and India, the environment….etc. Why? I posted that to people to boost the argument that I was attempting to communicate, so that people would prepare. Hence, my argument against the Obama economic policy is THAT IT WILL NOT WORK! People should not get any false hope that Obama or the Democrats have the magic touch to return this nation back to previous levels of prosperity. Again, as I posted the facts in the original post of this thread, a democratic congress controlled during the creation of 3 of the last 4 recessions and they shared control during the other one. The WORST economy since the Great Depression, prior to this one, is when Democrats held the leadership in both the executive and legislative branches of power. Moreover, when Republicans held the executive and legislative control, it too resulted in a very bad economy. So what’s apparent to me, from the patterns of history, is that a divided government, with the checks and balances envisioned by the founders, produces the best results and the absence of this produce very bad resultant. Now, these economic swings that I am lamenting on are born from fiscal (Taxing and spending) and Monetary (Fed Fund rates) policies during these periods. It ignores the global forces that are radically putting pressure on the US to lower its standard of living and is radically shaping our future. This will COMPOUND an already existing bad pattern cycle we are on. Moreover, as Vox noted many times, there is a demographic wave of peak purchasing power that is entering a valley period and is theorized to reduce demand in the economy significantly. So there are a whole lot of forces that leads me to continually yell that OBAMA POLICIES WILL NOT WORK! Why do I say Obama Policies will not work and Not McCain or Bush’s? It’s because they are past tense. They are not the President. The Hope is being placed on Obama and the Democrats….and it’s a false hope that I fear may keep black folks from preparing for the worst.

My personal theory is that Politics and ideology is a tool box for fixing problems of society and the world. I don’t believe that one tool is the BEST tool for every scenario. The way politics works in America, the vast majority of people don’t look at the situation and choose the best tool, they assume that their favorite tool is the best for all situations, which is not true. Consequently, you analogously have people who think a wrench is best for hammering a nail and that a Hammer is best for tightening g a nut. This is why this nation is really not able to FIX anything. Moreover, this is why control of the executive and Legislature, by a single party, has produces bad results. They are hell bent on using their ideological tools, regardless of the nature of the problem and which tool might work best. So you get politicians, looking to stay in power by playing to the ignorance of the people with a vested interest in their tool set, then things get all screwed up.
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
And while your learning disabled mismatch garanimals wearing azz REPETITIVELY try to absolve the war criminal BUSH II, from all responsibility of screwing over the country, by narrowly restricting YOUR focus to economics only, the astute observer is aware that the bush II administration messed up on a wide array of issues.

You need to abandon this crazy repetitive assertion that Bush II is somehow blamelesss. There's too much information out there, widely available that directly contradicts that foolishness...

GET A CLUE 99


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laugh how in the world did I miss that? laugh


I almost missed it too. I passed over that post originally but something told me to go back and read it. Good thing I did. lol
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First of all, for the umpteenth time, I don’t have ANYTHING personal against Obama. It is only the OPINION, and an erroneous one at that, that I have something personal against Obama.


NTA, why is it that YOU get to say you have nothing personal against Obama, while spouting criticisms; but everyone else is emotionally blinded by our personal feelings because we support his efforts? Your hating on him, but it's not personal; whereas, we support him due to our love for him. There's no way around it, if our support is love; your criticisms are hate. To deny this is delusional.

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Black America did not NEED a black president. Black America NEEDED black policies


I agree with the sentiment of this, but disagree with its substance. Black America doesn't need "black policies"; Black America needs policies that BENEFIT Black America ... without regard to how it impacts non-Black America. So, as VOX and Shulamite have noted, the "rising boat" strategy will work; but more, the "rising boat" is practical and doable; whereas, your "Black" policy demand is neither. Further, I would argue that Black America DID need a Black president, if for no other reason than for the symbolic message, i.e., we can overcome.

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A rising tide benefits those vessels that are more structurally buoyant and can take advantage of it.


In order to make this argument, you must argue that there is something "wrong" with Black folks, and Black folks alone, that is reflected in the poverty rate, the income disparity and the disparity of wealth. I don't buy that, while I will acknowledge that there are some individual Blacks whose "vessels are unsound", the disparities are systemic, i.e., racist. That is the only non-anti Black explanation for class disparities.

I find our anti-Black sentiment, i.e., Black=Dysfunctional, offensive and explicitly reject it.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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First of all, for the umpteenth time, I don’t have ANYTHING personal against Obama. It is only the OPINION, and an erroneous one at that, that I have something personal against Obama.


NTA, why is it that YOU get to say you have nothing personal against Obama, while spouting criticisms; but everyone else is emotionally blinded by our personal feelings because we support his efforts? Your hating on him, but it's not personal; whereas, we support him due to our love for him. There's no way around it, if our support is love; your criticisms are hate. To deny this is delusional.

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Black America did not NEED a black president. Black America NEEDED black policies


I agree with the sentiment of this, but disagree with its substance. Black America doesn't need "black policies"; Black America needs policies that BENEFIT Black America ... without regard to how it impacts non-Black America. So, as VOX and Shulamite have noted, the "rising boat" strategy will work; but more, the "rising boat" is practical and doable; whereas, your "Black" policy demand is neither. Further, I would argue that Black America DID need a Black president, if for no other reason than for the symbolic message, i.e., we can overcome.

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A rising tide benefits those vessels that are more structurally buoyant and can take advantage of it.


In order to make this argument, you must argue that there is something "wrong" with Black folks, and Black folks alone, that is reflected in the poverty rate, the income disparity and the disparity of wealth. I don't buy that, while I will acknowledge that there are some individual Blacks whose "vessels are unsound", the disparities are systemic, i.e., racist. That is the only non-anti Black explanation for class disparities.

I find our anti-Black sentiment, i.e., Black=Dysfunctional, offensive and explicitly reject it.


One creates love from the creation of hate. Opposites only exist in tandem. Love is the opposite of hate. Hence, when people like you call me an Obama hater for criticism of Obama, then such implies that your praise of Obama represents love for him. Therefore, it’s the fact that you all create the label “Obama hater” for those who criticize him, which creates the offset of “Obama lovers” as those who praise him. If you don’t want to be considered Obama lovers for your praise, then don’t label critics as Obama haters. It’s all very simple.

You see, you make the false assumption that black policy will not lift all boats. How many ethnics and women in America are now benefiting from policies born from black demands to address racial inequality? From women, to gays, to Hispanics…..all these groups have benefited from POLICIES that were created to address civil rights for blacks and racial inequality. Are you arguing that these policies did not lift America, that blacks having more income and more wealth will not circulate through the economy for opportunity for all? You see, you are all caught up in the semantics of what it’s called. I don’t give a f’ck if you call it “zippiddy do dah day” policy, as long as the substantive impact address racial socioeconomic inequality, that is what I consider “Black Policies”. Hence, I am of the theory that a rising black population lifts all boats and it blazes a path for other minority groups to do the same, as the civil rights movement did. Rememeber, the minority population in America is rising while the white population is stagnant. Hence, the nation as a whole will benefit from blacks and other minorities having socioeconomic parity with whites....for the day when Minorities become the MAJORITY. If we allow socioeconomic inequality to persist, then America is doomed to decline even more as a Brown majority America will reflect a much lower standard of living than if it was still a majority white America.

Yes, there is something wrong with black folks in the eyes of America. When we move into communities they move out. Employers prefer to hire whites and Hispanics over blacks. Resumes with black sounding names get rejected at twice the rate of resumes with white sounding names from a University Chicago study. Racial Segregation, as a resultant of our moving in and whites and jobs moving out, displaces blacks, logistically, from where most job growth is in metropolitan areas. All these forces, and more, creates disrepair in the vessel of blackness in America that results is less buoyancy and prevents the rising tide from having equal or proportional benefit, because of unequal bouyancy.
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
I like your new avatar.

Is it life-size?

PEACE

Jim Chester


Thanks....no....its not life size, although they can be made to fit the order. Its called a "unity man". I used to sell them, as well as, other carvings. This one is a 5 headed unity men. The ones I sold were 3 headed. This avatar is from a photo I found on the net. I took down the picuture of baba na mwanangu...for security.
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Originally posted by Xeon:

But I believe what most people object to is your constant carping about Obama when the man has been in office less than six months! Not to mention the fact that he did inherit a coat hanger abortion economic crisis that was steam rolled by the Bush 43 administration. You seem to forget Bush was president for the past eight years



I don't care about his constant harping on Pres Obama. Obama makes mistakes worthy of criticism. But I do object to his coming on this board lying about the posters on this board and constantly spewing criticisms of black people in general for their support of president obama. Allegedly, NOah is an Afrocentric brotha, but he certainly displays no love for black people.

Noah repeatedly refers to posters here and black people in general as "yaw negroes" and "blind obama followers", yet presents himself as an unbiased observer. We all know that to be false since the campaign days when he wholeheartedly supported Hillary Clinton, and even deemed all of black america as not sh1t for supporting Obama over her. He is indeed entitled to his own political stances, but how in the heck is that not biased? Dude couldn't even come back to the board for several months after Barack Obama won the election...

Noah constantly belittles black americans and aa.org posters as blind, ignorant, and don't know how the system works. No doubt if an archive search of the phrase "yaw negroes" and "blind obama followers" was done, there would be at least 100 instances of Noah castigating others simply for failing to reject EVERY aspect of a black president because he feels that a black president doesn't represent a "net gain" for black america (whatever that means) As i've stated earlier, the reality is that 99.9% of the regular posters to issues and politics section have been posting articles about the economy, the political realm, the mortgage crisis, the banking system, black interests etc, and having hearty discussions on them including criticisms of then candidate and now president Obama. So when Noah bleats out that everybody EXCEPT him is blind, biased and approving of everything the president and the democratic party does, he is lying his azz off. He purposely avoids reading and engaging with posters here so that he can keep bleating out that lie. Noah revels in that particular lie.

Noah himself admitted that he does not vote, and does not participate in the political process. Understandibly, there are principled reasons to abstain from participating if you philosophically reject the american political system. I would not deny an individual's right to act on his own beliefs, yet, strangely, Noah spends an inordinate amount of time NOT chastising blacks for participating in the political system, BUT INSTEAD for displaying a preference for a particular party,(the democrats) Noah refers to black americans as ignorant and blind SIMPLY for being largely democrats and not more evenly distributed among democrats and republicans. In his "mind", this is somehow a blinding bias, instead of black voters supporting a party whose philosophy best matches their interests.

Numerous times on this and other websites, african americans have expressed dissatisfaction with both of the major parties, due to the sense of being taken for granted. This sentiment was expressed before Noah ever thought about it. Noah is not telling anybody on this board anything new. Who needs a person who admittedly doesn't participate attempting to tell black americans "how the system works"...yet only references economics, and not the entire picture?

Noah ain't fooling nobody. He loved the Clintons. Had Hillary won, he wouldn't be bitching at other Black people everyday. HE is mad at black america for not endorsing the clintons this time around, although he did not go out and vote for them himself. He is supremely angry that Barack Obama, whose actions sometimes do deserve criticism, dared to put a black face on the US presidency. Noah's Blacker Than Thou routine is simply a ruse to feed his own ego because psychologically, he needs to feel above other Black people.
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Love is the opposite of hate.


No, apathy is the opposite of love [and hate], but that's beside the point ...

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If you don’t want to be considered Obama lovers for your praise, then don’t label critics as Obama haters. It’s all very simple.


NTA, do you ever accept responsibility for things that you've done? Or, will you always claim the upon perpetual victim role?
I think that damned search function will, again, dispprove your "you started it" whimper. I just had to voice that because your victimhood is getting old; but even that is besides the point ...

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Yes, there is something wrong with black folks in the eyes of America. When we move into communities they move out. Employers prefer to hire whites and Hispanics over blacks. Resumes with black sounding names get rejected at twice the rate of resumes with white sounding names from a University Chicago study. Racial Segregation, as a resultant of our moving in and whites and jobs moving out, displaces blacks, logistically, from where most job growth is in metropolitan areas. All these forces, and more, creates disrepair in the vessel of blackness in America that results is less buoyancy and prevents the rising tide from having equal or proportional benefit, because of unequal bouyancy.


Wow, you really have internalized racism to the point where you take an external attack and accept it as an inherent personal flaw in Black folks.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

Yes, there is something wrong with black folks in the eyes of America. When we move into communities they move out. Employers prefer to hire whites and Hispanics over blacks. Resumes with black sounding names get rejected at twice the rate of resumes with white sounding names from a University Chicago study. Racial Segregation, as a resultant of our moving in and whites and jobs moving out, displaces blacks, logistically, from where most job growth is in metropolitan areas. All these forces, and more, creates disrepair in the vessel of blackness in America that results is less buoyancy and prevents the rising tide from having equal or proportional benefit, because of unequal bouyancy.


You need to make that distinction in your posts, that others are colorstruck and that results in disparity NOT that we are the problem or inherently inferior.

Having said that, HOw is castigating black folks 24/7 going to change these disparities???? Confused

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