Bill Now In Senate's Hands... Will Vote Tonight... Judd Gregg Voting Against Stimulus.

WASHINGTON, Feb 13 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate has scheduled a vote on passage of a $787 billion economic stimulus bill to start at 5:30 p.m. EST (2230 GMT), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said on Friday.

The vote may be held open for a few hours, delaying the final tally. The House of Representatives earlier on Friday approved the measure by a vote of 246-183 without a single Republican voting to support the measure.

http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSWBT01064720090213
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That seals it ... Republicans, I refer you to the first 7 years of your beloved Reagan's presidency. Remember, all the legislation that your rammed through, without a single Democrat vote? No one commented on that lack of bipartisanship ... No one cared.

Well, guess what ... You're about to feel it.
They're doing what Dems should have done during Bush's presidency. Obama set it off by staring with concessions. They demanded and he gave in. They've poisioned the bill because they do not want it to work. So after cutting what works and increasing what doesn't they take a hands off approach. As Specter just said, 'they don't want their fingerprints on it'. Why? Because in the 2010 election they are going to say that this plan didn't work and run against it. When Dems fire back with the fact its their tax cuts that are not working, they will point at the number of Cons who voted against it.

One thing about cons is that they understand that americans don't do nuance. Its all about packaging and Obama was just out hustled.
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Originally posted by *Muhammad Cipher*:
They're doing what Dems should have done during Bush's presidency. Obama set it off by staring with concessions. They demanded and he gave in. They've poisioned the bill because they do not want it to work. So after cutting what works and increasing what doesn't they take a hands off approach. As Specter just said, 'they don't want their fingerprints on it'. Why? Because in the 2010 election they are going to say that this plan didn't work and run against it. When Dems fire back with the fact its their tax cuts that are not working, they will point at the number of Cons who voted against it.

One thing about cons is that they understand that americans don't do nuance. Its all about packaging and Obama was just out hustled.


Yep and the Republicans are just going to sit back and wait for the stuff to hit the fan. The cuts were just ridiculous. And why did he yield to them anyway, if the Democrats are the majority party? Now and on this bill was not the thing to compromise on. He's the president and he sets the tone.
President Obama and the democrats conceded too much to appease the very republicans that are the cause of the economic crisis that America is in right now.

The Bill as it is, IMO, is not going to create enough jobs, or enough soon enough, to push back this economic wave of depression that the republicans and G.W. Bush has left this country in.

It also appears that the medical insurance help people thought they were going to get, according to the way it was worded during the campaign, is not going to happen. Subsidizing "Cobra" payments will not do a lot of good to people who already cannot afford the insurance their job offers in the first place, and families that are layed off from work are not going to have the money pay "COBRA" even after a 30% tax credit brings their payment down from the approximate 1,000+ amount for COBRA to approximate 700.00 month.

President Obama better rethink what is worth sacrificing for the appearance of bi-partisanship, because at this economical point that the country is in, it very well be America, which in turn will create a domino effect throught the entire world (maybe with the exception of China).


Right now America needs JOBS, JOBS, JOBS; HEALTHCARE; A MUCH BETTER EDUCATION SYSTEM; TO SPEARHEAD A GREEN ECONOMY AND A GREEN ENVIRONMENT (WHICH WOULD CREATE MORE, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS)--- and afterwards, worry about people who are not going to wind up in welfare lines or on the streets no matter how bad the economy is, getting tax cuts.

I really was hoping that the democrats and President Obama would not allow this Bill of all Bills to be gutted by the republicans.
Actually ... this may not be as bad as it looks.

The Senate has now passed the bill as well ... so, it's a done deal at this point. All that has to happen now is that Obama has to sign it.

While it appears that the Dems - and the President - caved on this bill, I'm not so sure that's really the case.

The fact is ... Obama ain't got it like he thought he would. He totally miscalculated his ability to 'cross party lines' and make (political) friends with the Republicans ... or at least enough of them to support his agenda. And that creates a really BIG problem for him. He has to revise any and all strategies now, because there aren't enough Democrats in the Senate for him to run amok and pass through any legislation that he wants to.

He can have his way with getting things through the House. The Repubs are completely impotent there. However ... when it comes to the Senate, 60 is the magic number for getting most bills to a vote ... there are 56 Dems and 2 Independents that usually vote with them. He is going to need Republicans. At least 2. (And actually 3 because losing Ted Kennedy is going to be a MAJOR blow that can change things for him dramatically in the Senate!) He thought he had that many and more. But he thought wrong.

What happened with this bill wasn't really a "cave in". He is lucky to get what he got ... which is most of what he wanted. And he had to scratch, beg and grovel for that.

Also, many things that got taken out of this bill will be able to be put back in through other (normal) means of gov't spending. When the House (who controls the normal money-spending of the government) gets ready to appropriate an education budget, that $1 billion for Head Start will most likely be put back in. And ... there's a better chance of getting it through because more Republicans will be concerned with how it looks if they deny money for schools and children and their education.

Right now, President Obama has been given a big chunk of money to play with. It may not be as much as he wanted, but it's pretty damn close. And the tax cuts, @ 35% of the total bill isn't all bad either. The House made sure that it's not all going to businesses (although some of those are small businesses). We D. People will get a piece of that percentage, too!

The Repubs are counting on the fact that this stimulus package won't work. But if they're wrong ... and let's face it ... they have been for the last 8 years, at least! ... many more of them could very well lose their jobs in the next election, if the Dems play their cards right! Eek And that would be a good thing.

Let's just hope that the President is as smart as he (and we) thinks he is and that this is all going to work out the right way, since it is not going to go 'as planned'.

Obama got most of what he wanted. What he didn't get now, he can probably get later.
At least 3 times today I've heard some GOP talking head whining about how the future generations will have to repay the Stimulus Bill. How come they weren't concerned about future generations paying for the mess in the Middle East? They act like the history of the world started last month.
Ya know?? Confused And it's absolutely mind-boggling to me how they don't seem to understand that the way they think and all their *good ideas* about what's best for the country is why we are in the mess we're in right now!!

So any plan that they say won't work ... is probably the only thing that will!! Eek

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