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Hip-Hop is NOT Culture


I have been trying to wrap my head around this topic for several weeks now. Ever since I saw a subway advertisement for the VH-1 produced show ˜Hip-Hop Honors,' I have been in a lousy mood. When I think about the history of VH-1 and MTV in relation to Hip-Hop, I get pissed the fuck off. I am old enough to remember the time when these cultural hustlers would not recognize Hip-Hop because the T.I.'s didn't believe they could make money from it. They thought that because this art was originally produced and created by disenfranchised people, it would not translate to the suburbs and the exurbs of America.

Give RUSSELL SIMMONS and RICK RUBIN hell'a credit too. When the T.I.'s saw how many white were coming to see acts like KURTIS BLOW, T-LA ROCK, RUN-DMC and of course, the BEASTIE BOYS, they realized there was money to be made. Keep in mind that Hip-Hop's prime demographic group is white males between the ages of 14 yrs old and 28yrs old (a/k/a the new teenage years).

I went to see 50CENT at the 70,000 seat Ford Field in Detroit and the only black folks that I saw were the ones tap-dancing on stage and the fools selling bootleg tee shirts outside the arena. Hip-Hop music is how white in America gets a chance to go on an ˜urban safari'. From the veritable safety of their iPOD.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop calling Hip-Hop a culture. This demeans the achievements of actual cultures that have shaped everything from language to economics to politics. Hip-Hop has not transformed any of the aforementioned standards. Hip-Hop in America is marketed as an alternative to securing an education, so much so that the word ˜bling' now appears in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Hip-Hop in America is marketed to promote consumerism without regard for fiscal austerity, so much so that people without a pot to piss in have a bottle of champagne in their refrigerator. Hip-Hop in America is marketed as an over-sized white tee shirt instead of the realization of socio-political responsibility, so much so that ˜VOTE or DIE!' rolls off of my lips as easy as ˜JUST SAY NO!'

The actual culture is called capitalism. Hip-Hop is an artistic movement that is an outgrowth of the culture of capitalism, much the same way that 5000 years ago North African culture produced the pyramids. Though to tell you the truth, Hip-Hop isn't nearly as great or everlasting as the pyramids of Giza. I don't think any beings will look at the ˜Black' album 1000 years from now and think that they missed some kind of cultural zenith.

I am not telling you not to enjoy watching a program that features performances from some of the artists that have crafted the soundtrack to our lives, just don't get all longwinded and quasi-intellectual. No one will care what you have to say anyway.

 

 

Peace,

 

AudioGuy

 

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-Anonymous

 

"The cost of Liberty is less than the cost of repression."

-W.E.B. DuBois, John Brown 1909

 

"... can you imagine Doobie in yo' funk??!!"

-G. Clinton

 

"...Black men walkin' / with white girls on they arms / I be mad at 'em / as if I know they moms / told to go beyond the surface / a person's a person / when we, lessen our women / our condition seems to worsen..."

"Real People" - Common

 

"You are not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can not face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who says it or does it!"

-Malcolm X

 

Sense is far from COMMON!

-Me

 

"... The tragic irony here is that a lot of African Americans may not fully recognize the implications of this decision for years to come. Stop by any barbershop, barbeque or church basement in Black America and you will hear – with distressing frequency – that old canard that "integration" ruined the Black community."

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Hmmmm ... I'm not so sure about that, AudioGuy. sck

I can definitely understand why you wouldn't want it to be!! But, the Hip-Hop generation itself considers itself as such ... and the fact that it is imitated globe-wide and seen as a projection of a type of Black lifestyle could make it a "culture" per se. In a lot of ways it is an actual way of life.

You say it doesn't affect language? I was looking for a picture of an African king to post in the AA.OFL thread and I ran into thisThere is a whole generation that speaks and writes and understands what is written there! Eek

I can see what you're saying above, but it seems to me that Hip-Hop is a culture (whether we like it or not!) that's being pimped out and highly capitalized on for profit by folks other than us.

Hip-hop is sending out a message. It is a creation of black youths being followed and financed by white ones. It is a movement, an art form, a (tryin to be) political advocacy and (IMO) a truly horrible way to be depicted throughout the entire world. But that is whom gets shown to ... and picked up by and emulated by. It may be supported by whites, but it is "a black thing." In some parts of the world, it's all we're known by or that is known about us.

I think it's too big and too strong (unfortunately) to not be a culture. Roll Eyes
How I long for the good old days of hip-hop(did I just say that? I don't mean it Reagan was president for pete's sake!)... I've mourned it's death and moved on, but here is a 'flash back' of when we had a more possitive outlook and hope for the future of this musical genre...

"RAP, RHYME AND RHYTHM," RAP-HIP-HOP CULTURE'S ORIGINS, POETRY

HIP-HOP/RAP CULTURE AND ITS AFRICAN-CARIBBEAN-AFRICAN AMERICAN ORIGINS



The origins of rap and hip-hop culture is the African continent and the African culture. In fact, whether it is rapping, breakdancing, toasting, "call and response" singing and expression, drum and bass, talking drums and talking harps, or griot/rapper expressions, "scratching" (or making instruments "talk," the origins come directly from African culture. In fact, some aspects of rap that appear to originate in other places still has an African base. The facination is that at least four forms of artistic expression is part of the hip-hop/rap culture and all have an original African origin. Yet, they came from different parts of the Black/African diaspora.

www.glasspages.org/kunda.html


THE AFRICAN "GRIOT' THE ORIGINAL "RAPPER"

Clearly, the art of rapping over musical instruments began in Africa with the ancient griots and reciters of ancient history over the sounds of musical instruments and drums that could (and still do) "speak" in the language of the audience.
In fact, the Alex Haley book, Roots and the mini-series that followed showed and African griot reciting in rap/poetic form the history of Alex Haley's ancestors rap at its ancient African origins.
See this book for the various styles of rap/hip-hop poetry. "Rap, Rhyme and Rhythm: Rapsody in Hip-Hop, Rhythm and Rhyme," published by www.1stbooks.com


Rap as an African form of expression goes back to the time of the Sahara kingdoms, ancient Nubia, ancient Egypt and the West African cultures. Apart from 'rap" there is also the African "praise poems," used to recite the greatness and life of kings, queens, and leaders as well as ordinary people.

What we call "rap" is reciting poetry, reading history, speaking praises, fortelling the future, predicting events, and communicating in poetic form accompanied by drums and harps.

www.brainforest.org/the_talking_drums_of_Africa.htm
www.brainforest.org

http://www.sil.org/anthro/articles/PressingPatronsWithProverbs.htm
www.sil.org

TOASTING THE ORIGINAL JAMAICAN "RAP"

The second stage of rap begins in Jamaica among reggae and dancehall DJ's who used the ultimate in their own personal skills to express their talents. During the dancehall period in Jamaica and going back to the fifties, Jamaican DJ's used single records with a "singing" part of the record and an "instrumental" version of the same record.

The DJ's usually went solo on the instrumental part by "toasting" and "rapping" on issues relevant to the atmosphere on the instrumental part of the record, in order to add to the entertainment and express themselves and their art.

Cool Herc, a Jamaican DJ who established himself in Brooklyn, New York was the first to introduce "rapping/toasting" to the music scene in the United States by rapping over records.

SCRATCHING

Scratching is another art form that is rooted in the African way and style of looking at objects and musical instruments. In much of the African/Black diaspora, musical instruments are not mere instruments. They are objects with "spirit" and "character" although it is the person playing the instrument that places the spirit and character in the instrument.

Thus, "scratching" may appear to some to be a "gimmic" that developed as rap evolved, however when looking at "scratching" or the use of one word in Black English (Ebonics) to have many meanings (as much as ten), then one sees a subconscious African connection. In fact scratching and the playing of "bluenotes" in blues music come from the same subconscious origins. These origins is the desire to make the instrument "talk" or "speak" as is the common practice with some African musicians who use drums and harps (guitars) to actually speak in the tonal language of the people they are playing to.

When B-Boys began scratching during the early days of hip-hop, they were making the record do the work of the blues guitar, talking drum or other such instruments that have been given 'spirits' and characters of their own by their plahyers.

BREAKDANCING AND CAPOIERA

Breakdancing is another part of hip-hop that is of African origins. Although that may be news to some, it is not news to the Afro-Brazilians who practice capoeira Angola or Capoeira Regional, the two formidable and effective martial arts that originated in Angola, West Africa.

Capoeira is one of the ancient Manding-Kongo martial arts practiced in Africa for thousands of years. Capoeira's moves are identical to that of breakdancing in many ways although there is not backspinning in capoeira. Yet, the movements, the challenges to dancers to compete in the break dance, the headstands are all part of the capoeira system of martial arts. The instruments used in the practice or capoiera are drums, berimbau, shekere, agogo and tamborine. Break dancing uses heavy drum and base hip-hop/rap sounds.

http://abcapoeira.com
http://www.capoeira.com
http://capoeiranyc.com/usa/study.html

THE HIP-HOP/SOUL GENERATION AND A GREAT FUTURE FOR RAP/HIP-HOP

The hip-hop/soul generation are people born between 1940 to 1990. Actually, there are many generations within that period. We must realize that the people who created and invented rap are Jamaicans who broght the musical style of "toasting/rapping" over instrumental versions of records from Jamaica, African-Americans who fused in soul music, funk and disco and added more to it. These two groups are the basic founders of rap before other groups joined in. In fact, "go-go" music, a popular form of funk with heavy drum and base is another form of Black music that has not branched out in popularity as rap/hip-hop has. However, it is a form of music that is strong in the Black community in Washington DC and is a Black creation.

The original founders of rap/hip-hop were not born in the late seventies to eighties (when rap began to become popular worldwide). They were born in the fifties, therefore, since they were the ones who invented and developed rap, they are the "Hip-Hop Generation." Hence, one can say that the hip-generation ranges in ages from fifty to one year old, even though the hip-hop era starts in 1974 and continues today. The point is, in 1974, many of the originators of hip-hop were in their late teens or early twenties. Many were already part of the Soul Generation or the Ska/Reggae Generation.

THE HIP-HOP GENERATION SHALL NOT BE MENTALLY CASTRATED

The hip-hop generation of today is composed of people from their thirties to fifties and those from their teens to their twenties. As hip-hop becomes popular worldwide, the rest of the world has been using hip-hop/rap culture to its maximum benefit and potential. For example, in nations like Brazil, the Caribbean Community, Japan, Africa, France and elsewhere rap/hip-hop is not about shaking fleshing and partying or boasting about smoking dubs and drugs or drinking that causes impotence in males. Hip-hop is a powerful political, cultural and economic force.

Today things are changing in the hip-hop/rap community as more people begin to realize that people can't live by partying, boasting and wasting brain power while others are dedicated to their political and economic agenda. The hip-hop/rap generation of today are becoming the most observant and active of all generations since the sixties.

http://community-2.webtv.net/PABarton/RAPRHYMEANDRHYTHM/index.html
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Why I Don't Like Hip Hop

Because it's just an artform and entertainment and yet, Blacks act like it's a political force or religion or something significant.

If hip hop is important then, I don't know what teaching, learning, building, achieving are. I thought THEY were important and hip hop does none of these things. It's NOT important, it's been given inflated importance by our lost people.

The more I hear fanatical black men say hip hop is a revolution, the more I can see we're going nowhere. Revolution is revolution and hip hop has little to do with it. Hip Hop is an artform that talks about everything from ego tripping, to killing people to loving your woman. So what? It's just music, it's NOT important.

I look at how much energy conscious rappers put into hip hop and I wonder why - it's not that important, can't they spend their energies elsewhere? I'm more conscious than any rapper on earth and then some and I'm more of a revolutionary than any rapper - they couldn't even sit at the same table with me.

Even the illustrious Chuck D. who I DO respect wasn't kicking anything but superficial knowledge. I like that his music got me excited about Black studies - but, it was still only music - not a movement, just something to listen to when I marched. If it wasn't PE, it would've been black spirituals we'dve been listening to.

So, I'm saying this to say that revolutionaries have revolutions and rappers rap and never the 'twain shall meet. Just because they talk big and drop a few superficial clues doesn't make rap anything but a vehicle for some nigga to express himself.

I think that's why we treat rap like a religion or cult - well, it IS a cult:

Rap makes even the little powerless nobodies have a voice, too. It's a way a nobody can get others to want to hear their views. I always wondered why white people put bummper-stickers all over their cars. Well, they want to express themselves. But, this is some unimportant nobody and nobody cares what they think AND will not invite them to give their views of the world.

So, they paste a sticker on their car that tells the world (that isn't asking) their views on politics or religion, etc.

That's why some many niggas wanna rap and why they make it so important - it's not important on a societal level, only on a personal ego level. But, they wanna try to tie politics into rap, like rappers REALLY are rebels instead of ego-driven performers.

Blacks have a problem seperating business from personal and we can't even tell the difference between letting alot of uneducated youngsters give their opinions to a beat and something REALLY socially relevant. So, I wanna crush the lie that hip hoppers tell themselves:

You aren't rapping for the world. You aren't rapping to save or feed anyone. You are rapping for YOU, to please YOUR ego and to get the stage and to be at the center of attention. We have a nation of nobodies all wanting to be heard.

I'm going to start telling niggas that we don't want to hear your views, DO SOMETHING and put that stupid pad down - your words mean nothing and they are a balm for those who know they ain't doing shit to help us - at least they listen to conscious rappers.

We don't NEED you to listen to conscious rappers, we need you to organize and make things happen.

It's just a bunch of words so, how important can it be? We need deeds done but, we got a whole nation of rhyming talkers.

Rap is so important because it takes NOTHING to be one. NOTHING. There is no membership due, just rhyme some words, any words and you're in hip hop.

It doesn't matter if the words are deep or not - they're still just words and people who are actually getting shit done tend not to have time to listen to alot of words because they're too busy working on real shit.

Rappers are posers. They wanna come off like bad-boys and like they're part of some underground but, what underground is that? We're niggas, we've always been underground - this is just more posing. I don't see any revolutionary group being run by rappers.

Name one.

The panthers and NOI get props in hip hop but, no chapters of these orgs are run by rappers. Know why? Because organizers organize and rappers rap. Organizers don't have TIME to rap, they have too much work to do. Rappers have plenty of time to TALK because they don't put in ANY WORK.

At best, rappers are cheerleaders (yes, bitches) for real revolutionaries and I'm tired of seeing them claim to be part of a struggle when they don't struggle, they just fill their notepads with endless impotent verbal masturbation and then wanna feel important and part of the struggle.

So, I know I'm dissing alot of people on this site who are rappers and I got love for y'all, I don't mean to offend but, I'm sick of the hold that hip hop has on my people. It inflates us like it's important and does nothing to help us and is the single biggest column of black society and that is perverse.

Dig it - let's check it out - Which Aspects Of Black Society Have The Most Adherents?:

1. Seperation - not many blacks want that

2. Reparations - many want it but, few actively pursue it

3. Reading - few pursue getting more blacks to read but, many more pursue rap or rap artists

4. Sciences - kids don't want to be scientists, they want to be rappers. They don't spend their time on scientific experiments, they spend their time writing or listening to rap.

5. Religion - this might have as many people pursuing it as rap does. But, having alot of religious people with no training in the sciences is not good for us as a group. And, most of them aren't practicing it right, anyway...

6. Real Estate - kids don't want to buy and sell land, they wanna express themselves and let the world hear how THEY feel. This is frightening - as a society, blacks don't need to know how all these kids feel, that's personal - we need to get to business.


The fact that rap, just some person rhyming, is more interesting than buying land shows how bad off we are as a race. If it IS a revolution then, we can all see WHY we've gotten nowhere and we should all feel depressed if hip hop is supposed to make our lives better.

IT's just an innate skill we have, like playing basketball - we don't have to work that hard to be really good at it. THAT'S WHY hip hop is so important to our unacheiving asses - niggas like shit to be easy and rapping is easy as playing basketball or doing hair or dancing for us.

Saying rap can save us is like saying basketball is a revolution or that we're going to save the world thru tap-dancing. It's just music and a big lie about being important and all of you sell it to others and perpetuate the myth of the importance of hip hop.

It's not important. It's just us jerking ourselves off - nothing more. Why do you think we're going nowhere even tho rap makes billions.

"A man becomes what he thinks about all day"

Well, since our kids aren't thinking about solving our problems in them world all day, we have no one that wants to. We never will until we get kids thinking about something other than rap all day.

It's a simple concept but, the way niggas act when I say it - I can see I'll be dead 100 years before someone starts talking about what a genius I was and how ahead of my time I was to talk of these things. But, it's not that at all - the evidence is right in our faces and we are just to addicted to it ourselves to be able to take it from our kids.

That's like a crackhead trying to keep his kids off the shit. But, when they come home with some new good shit, you'll be right in there with them doing it. That's what these hip hop parents are doing, killing us because they're raising our next generation on hip hop when we need to move onto deeper things.

I hate hip hop.
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Originally posted by El Tigre:
Why I Don't Like Hip Hop

Because it's just an artform and entertainment and yet, Blacks act like it's a political force or religion or something significant.

If hip hop is important then, I don't know what teaching, learning, building, achieving are. I thought THEY were important and hip hop does none of these things. It's NOT important, it's been given inflated importance by our lost people.

The more I hear fanatical black men say hip hop is a revolution, the more I can see we're going nowhere. Revolution is revolution and hip hop has little to do with it. Hip Hop is an artform that talks about everything from ego tripping, to killing people to loving your woman. So what? It's just music, it's NOT important.

I look at how much energy conscious rappers put into hip hop and I wonder why - it's not that important, can't they spend their energies elsewhere? I'm more conscious than any rapper on earth and then some and I'm more of a revolutionary than any rapper - they couldn't even sit at the same table with me.

Even the illustrious Chuck D. who I DO respect wasn't kicking anything but superficial knowledge. I like that his music got me excited about Black studies - but, it was still only music - not a movement, just something to listen to when I marched. If it wasn't PE, it would've been black spirituals we'dve been listening to.

So, I'm saying this to say that revolutionaries have revolutions and rappers rap and never the 'twain shall meet. Just because they talk big and drop a few superficial clues doesn't make rap anything but a vehicle for some nigga to express himself.

I think that's why we treat rap like a religion or cult - well, it IS a cult:

Rap makes even the little powerless nobodies have a voice, too. It's a way a nobody can get others to want to hear their views. I always wondered why white people put bummper-stickers all over their cars. Well, they want to express themselves. But, this is some unimportant nobody and nobody cares what they think AND will not invite them to give their views of the world.

So, they paste a sticker on their car that tells the world (that isn't asking) their views on politics or religion, etc.

That's why some many niggas wanna rap and why they make it so important - it's not important on a societal level, only on a personal ego level. But, they wanna try to tie politics into rap, like rappers REALLY are rebels instead of ego-driven performers.

Blacks have a problem seperating business from personal and we can't even tell the difference between letting alot of uneducated youngsters give their opinions to a beat and something REALLY socially relevant. So, I wanna crush the lie that hip hoppers tell themselves:

You aren't rapping for the world. You aren't rapping to save or feed anyone. You are rapping for YOU, to please YOUR ego and to get the stage and to be at the center of attention. We have a nation of nobodies all wanting to be heard.

I'm going to start telling niggas that we don't want to hear your views, DO SOMETHING and put that stupid pad down - your words mean nothing and they are a balm for those who know they ain't doing shit to help us - at least they listen to conscious rappers.

We don't NEED you to listen to conscious rappers, we need you to organize and make things happen.

It's just a bunch of words so, how important can it be? We need deeds done but, we got a whole nation of rhyming talkers.

Rap is so important because it takes NOTHING to be one. NOTHING. There is no membership due, just rhyme some words, any words and you're in hip hop.

It doesn't matter if the words are deep or not - they're still just words and people who are actually getting shit done tend not to have time to listen to alot of words because they're too busy working on real shit.

Rappers are posers. They wanna come off like bad-boys and like they're part of some underground but, what underground is that? We're niggas, we've always been underground - this is just more posing. I don't see any revolutionary group being run by rappers.

Name one.

The panthers and NOI get props in hip hop but, no chapters of these orgs are run by rappers. Know why? Because organizers organize and rappers rap. Organizers don't have TIME to rap, they have too much work to do. Rappers have plenty of time to TALK because they don't put in ANY WORK.

At best, rappers are cheerleaders (yes, bitches) for real revolutionaries and I'm tired of seeing them claim to be part of a struggle when they don't struggle, they just fill their notepads with endless impotent verbal masturbation and then wanna feel important and part of the struggle.

So, I know I'm dissing alot of people on this site who are rappers and I got love for y'all, I don't mean to offend but, I'm sick of the hold that hip hop has on my people. It inflates us like it's important and does nothing to help us and is the single biggest column of black society and that is perverse.

Dig it - let's check it out - Which Aspects Of Black Society Have The Most Adherents?:

1. Seperation - not many blacks want that

2. Reparations - many want it but, few actively pursue it

3. Reading - few pursue getting more blacks to read but, many more pursue rap or rap artists

4. Sciences - kids don't want to be scientists, they want to be rappers. They don't spend their time on scientific experiments, they spend their time writing or listening to rap.

5. Religion - this might have as many people pursuing it as rap does. But, having alot of religious people with no training in the sciences is not good for us as a group. And, most of them aren't practicing it right, anyway...

6. Real Estate - kids don't want to buy and sell land, they wanna express themselves and let the world hear how THEY feel. This is frightening - as a society, blacks don't need to know how all these kids feel, that's personal - we need to get to business.


The fact that rap, just some person rhyming, is more interesting than buying land shows how bad off we are as a race. If it IS a revolution then, we can all see WHY we've gotten nowhere and we should all feel depressed if hip hop is supposed to make our lives better.

IT's just an innate skill we have, like playing basketball - we don't have to work that hard to be really good at it. THAT'S WHY hip hop is so important to our unacheiving asses - niggas like shit to be easy and rapping is easy as playing basketball or doing hair or dancing for us.

Saying rap can save us is like saying basketball is a revolution or that we're going to save the world thru tap-dancing. It's just music and a big lie about being important and all of you sell it to others and perpetuate the myth of the importance of hip hop.

It's not important. It's just us jerking ourselves off - nothing more. Why do you think we're going nowhere even tho rap makes billions.

"A man becomes what he thinks about all day"

Well, since our kids aren't thinking about solving our problems in them world all day, we have no one that wants to. We never will until we get kids thinking about something other than rap all day.

It's a simple concept but, the way niggas act when I say it - I can see I'll be dead 100 years before someone starts talking about what a genius I was and how ahead of my time I was to talk of these things. But, it's not that at all - the evidence is right in our faces and we are just to addicted to it ourselves to be able to take it from our kids.

That's like a crackhead trying to keep his kids off the shit. But, when they come home with some new good shit, you'll be right in there with them doing it. That's what these hip hop parents are doing, killing us because they're raising our next generation on hip hop when we need to move onto deeper things.

I hate hip hop.


Big Grin Welcome to the forum beloved..... appl
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Originally posted by El Tigre:
Why I Don't Like Hip Hop

Because it's just an artform and entertainment and yet, Blacks act like it's a political force or religion or something significant.

If hip hop is important then, I don't know what teaching, learning, building, achieving are. I thought THEY were important and hip hop does none of these things. It's NOT important, it's been given inflated importance by our lost people.

The more I hear fanatical black men say hip hop is a revolution, the more I can see we're going nowhere. Revolution is revolution and hip hop has little to do with it. Hip Hop is an artform that talks about everything from ego tripping, to killing people to loving your woman. So what? It's just music, it's NOT important.

I look at how much energy conscious rappers put into hip hop and I wonder why - it's not that important, can't they spend their energies elsewhere? I'm more conscious than any rapper on earth and then some and I'm more of a revolutionary than any rapper - they couldn't even sit at the same table with me.

Even the illustrious Chuck D. who I DO respect wasn't kicking anything but superficial knowledge. I like that his music got me excited about Black studies - but, it was still only music - not a movement, just something to listen to when I marched. If it wasn't PE, it would've been black spirituals we'dve been listening to.

So, I'm saying this to say that revolutionaries have revolutions and rappers rap and never the 'twain shall meet. Just because they talk big and drop a few superficial clues doesn't make rap anything but a vehicle for some nigga to express himself.

I think that's why we treat rap like a religion or cult - well, it IS a cult:

Rap makes even the little powerless nobodies have a voice, too. It's a way a nobody can get others to want to hear their views. I always wondered why white people put bummper-stickers all over their cars. Well, they want to express themselves. But, this is some unimportant nobody and nobody cares what they think AND will not invite them to give their views of the world.

So, they paste a sticker on their car that tells the world (that isn't asking) their views on politics or religion, etc.

That's why some many niggas wanna rap and why they make it so important - it's not important on a societal level, only on a personal ego level. But, they wanna try to tie politics into rap, like rappers REALLY are rebels instead of ego-driven performers.

Blacks have a problem seperating business from personal and we can't even tell the difference between letting alot of uneducated youngsters give their opinions to a beat and something REALLY socially relevant. So, I wanna crush the lie that hip hoppers tell themselves:

You aren't rapping for the world. You aren't rapping to save or feed anyone. You are rapping for YOU, to please YOUR ego and to get the stage and to be at the center of attention. We have a nation of nobodies all wanting to be heard.

I'm going to start telling niggas that we don't want to hear your views, DO SOMETHING and put that stupid pad down - your words mean nothing and they are a balm for those who know they ain't doing shit to help us - at least they listen to conscious rappers.

We don't NEED you to listen to conscious rappers, we need you to organize and make things happen.

It's just a bunch of words so, how important can it be? We need deeds done but, we got a whole nation of rhyming talkers.

Rap is so important because it takes NOTHING to be one. NOTHING. There is no membership due, just rhyme some words, any words and you're in hip hop.

It doesn't matter if the words are deep or not - they're still just words and people who are actually getting shit done tend not to have time to listen to alot of words because they're too busy working on real shit.

Rappers are posers. They wanna come off like bad-boys and like they're part of some underground but, what underground is that? We're niggas, we've always been underground - this is just more posing. I don't see any revolutionary group being run by rappers.

Name one.

The panthers and NOI get props in hip hop but, no chapters of these orgs are run by rappers. Know why? Because organizers organize and rappers rap. Organizers don't have TIME to rap, they have too much work to do. Rappers have plenty of time to TALK because they don't put in ANY WORK.

At best, rappers are cheerleaders (yes, bitches) for real revolutionaries and I'm tired of seeing them claim to be part of a struggle when they don't struggle, they just fill their notepads with endless impotent verbal masturbation and then wanna feel important and part of the struggle.

So, I know I'm dissing alot of people on this site who are rappers and I got love for y'all, I don't mean to offend but, I'm sick of the hold that hip hop has on my people. It inflates us like it's important and does nothing to help us and is the single biggest column of black society and that is perverse.

Dig it - let's check it out - Which Aspects Of Black Society Have The Most Adherents?:

1. Seperation - not many blacks want that

2. Reparations - many want it but, few actively pursue it

3. Reading - few pursue getting more blacks to read but, many more pursue rap or rap artists

4. Sciences - kids don't want to be scientists, they want to be rappers. They don't spend their time on scientific experiments, they spend their time writing or listening to rap.

5. Religion - this might have as many people pursuing it as rap does. But, having alot of religious people with no training in the sciences is not good for us as a group. And, most of them aren't practicing it right, anyway...

6. Real Estate - kids don't want to buy and sell land, they wanna express themselves and let the world hear how THEY feel. This is frightening - as a society, blacks don't need to know how all these kids feel, that's personal - we need to get to business.


The fact that rap, just some person rhyming, is more interesting than buying land shows how bad off we are as a race. If it IS a revolution then, we can all see WHY we've gotten nowhere and we should all feel depressed if hip hop is supposed to make our lives better.

IT's just an innate skill we have, like playing basketball - we don't have to work that hard to be really good at it. THAT'S WHY hip hop is so important to our unacheiving asses - niggas like shit to be easy and rapping is easy as playing basketball or doing hair or dancing for us.

Saying rap can save us is like saying basketball is a revolution or that we're going to save the world thru tap-dancing. It's just music and a big lie about being important and all of you sell it to others and perpetuate the myth of the importance of hip hop.

It's not important. It's just us jerking ourselves off - nothing more. Why do you think we're going nowhere even tho rap makes billions.

"A man becomes what he thinks about all day"

Well, since our kids aren't thinking about solving our problems in them world all day, we have no one that wants to. We never will until we get kids thinking about something other than rap all day.

It's a simple concept but, the way niggas act when I say it - I can see I'll be dead 100 years before someone starts talking about what a genius I was and how ahead of my time I was to talk of these things. But, it's not that at all - the evidence is right in our faces and we are just to addicted to it ourselves to be able to take it from our kids.

That's like a crackhead trying to keep his kids off the shit. But, when they come home with some new good shit, you'll be right in there with them doing it. That's what these hip hop parents are doing, killing us because they're raising our next generation on hip hop when we need to move onto deeper things.

I hate hip hop.


*ahem* excellent points....
Shukran, habibty...


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Nothing wrong with poetry and a beat.


I agree.

In and of itself, it's just art.


BUT, the way the devils have made the negative stuff important and the way our kids eat it up is what makes it bad.

The way our kids are ADDICTED to having beats and flows running thru their minds instead of anything else is why it's evil and killing us.

Seems like I'm THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD who has noticed how hypnotic beats are.

On the right beat, you can say anythng and it still be a hit. The right beat or lyrics will stay in your head all day - instead of you thinking about your future.

This doesn't affect ADULTS. We listen to rap and then go to work.

But, our KIDS?!? Oh, man, it shapes them, changes them, and is the loudest voice they hear. They can't hear what YOU teach them because 50 Cent is looping endlessly in their brains.

Our children will become what they think about all day. Our children think about hip hop all day.

I see them going to school in the morning with headphones on - that's sick. I grew up when we went to school thinking about our classes, not Eminem.

When do our kids get to think ORIGINAL thoughts? When do they think SPIRITUAL thoughts? They don't anymore, they only think about pop culture and sports and rap are the most important.

It needs to be taken from them if they are going to grow up and achieve greatness or even save our race.

It's not for kids because they get addicted to it. It should be treated like liquor and playboy magazines - BEHIND the counter and if someone sells it to them, they got to jail.

Let them DEVELOP their OWN minds and spirits before you allow them to be exposed to the thoughts of some rapper - positive or negative rap - it's still too addictive.

Those beats and lyrics are like crack and our kids can't handle it.
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Originally posted by El Tigre:
Why I Don't Like Hip Hop

Because it's just an artform and entertainment and yet, Blacks act like it's a political force or religion or something significant.


My article contradicts this...it COULD have been something much more... Check any Francaphone African or Cuban artist for an example af hip-hop as a political tool.

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If hip hop is important then, I don't know what teaching, learning, building, achieving are. I thought THEY were important and hip hop does none of these things. It's NOT important, it's been given inflated importance by our lost people.


I thought you just said in another thread to get our kids to learn we should put a base beat behind it? Our children are therefore learning the wrong thing. Consumerist capitalist ideology and the objectification of each other. African culture is being exploited by corporate Amerikkka as a propoganda tool, You think the enemy doesn't KNOW that our children memorize all the consumer/capitalist dribble that comes out of these rappers mouths?

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The more I hear fanatical black men say hip hop is a revolution, the more I can see we're going nowhere. Revolution is revolution and hip hop has little to do with it. Hip Hop is an artform that talks about everything from ego tripping, to killing people to loving your woman. So what? It's just music, it's NOT important.


You are contradicting yourself again. Music has always been important to African people. Culture is 90% of warfare... If you don't think the music(an aspectm of culture) we listen to is important than I suggest you do some research on the Zimbabwean liberation(Chimarenga) wars and the Chimarenga music that called for and motivated said liberation. Whn hasn't a movement of African people ANYWHERE been backed by a soundtrack(and I'm not talking about solely broadcast radio)?

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I look at how much energy conscious rappers put into hip hop and I wonder why - it's not that important, can't they spend their energies elsewhere? I'm more conscious than any rapper on earth and then some and I'm more of a revolutionary than any rapper - they couldn't even sit at the same table with me.


I think Dead Prez would give you a run for your money, they put in major time politically with the PEOPLE. They are about the only group I have any respect for in this arena, reguardless of musical genre.

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Even the illustrious Chuck D. who I DO respect wasn't kicking anything but superficial knowledge. I like that his music got me excited about Black studies - but, it was still only music - not a movement, just something to listen to when I marched. If it wasn't PE, it would've been black spirituals we'dve been listening to.


Interesting. I just thought you said the music the youth listens too isn't important? I also give credit to KRS-1 for getting me excited about African studies, hence I know how important the effect of music is on the youth. Exactly what artists are putting the African/Black bug in the youth's ear nowadays? NONE! That IS part of the problem. Our enemy KNOWS that music is propoganda.

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So, I'm saying this to say that revolutionaries have revolutions and rappers rap and never the 'twain shall meet. Just because they talk big and drop a few superficial clues doesn't make rap anything but a vehicle for some nigga to express himself.


For a revolutionary you sure use the word 'nigga' a lot.

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I think that's why we treat rap like a religion or cult - well, it IS a cult:

Rap makes even the little powerless nobodies have a voice, too. It's a way a nobody can get others to want to hear their views. I always wondered why white people put bummper-stickers all over their cars. Well, they want to express themselves. But, this is some unimportant nobody and nobody cares what they think AND will not invite them to give their views of the world.

So, they paste a sticker on their car that tells the world (that isn't asking) their views on politics or religion, etc.

That's why some many niggas wanna rap and why they make it so important - it's not important on a societal level, only on a personal ego level. But, they wanna try to tie politics into rap, like rappers REALLY are rebels instead of ego-driven performers.


Once again, you need to understand the mass propoganda assault our people are under. Rap is now a tool for said assault. These idiot rappers are backed by Corporate AMERIKKKA. They don't want the African youth to be told anything that might make them think. The European children are just having their fun 'slumming' for the moment. They have institutions behind their development that won't allow the music to effect them in the same detrimental ways it effects our youth... Plus it is not 'their' culture being perverted and exploited. The enemy is fully aware of this.

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Blacks have a problem seperating business from personal and we can't even tell the difference between letting alot of uneducated youngsters give their opinions to a beat and something REALLY socially relevant. So, I wanna crush the lie that hip hoppers tell themselves:

You aren't rapping for the world. You aren't rapping to save or feed anyone. You are rapping for YOU, to please YOUR ego and to get the stage and to be at the center of attention. We have a nation of nobodies all wanting to be heard.

I'm going to start telling niggas that we don't want to hear your views, DO SOMETHING and put that stupid pad down - your words mean nothing and they are a balm for those who know they ain't doing shit to help us - at least they listen to conscious rappers.[/quote}

I agree with your sentiments BUT this crap rap is broadcast GLOBALLY because Amerikkka and it's so called 'culture' is Imperialist(rap is the voice that teaches capitalist and individualist indoctrination to the youth GLOBALLY, it was quite scary for me to see it's influence in Africa...although a lot of the youth are more conscious about what they say. Circumstances do creat consciousness.)

Be very afraid... http://africanhiphop.com/

[quote]We don't NEED you to listen to conscious rappers, we need you to organize and make things happen.

It's just a bunch of words so, how important can it be? We need deeds done but, we got a whole nation of rhyming talkers.


Where did you get your ideological training?

"Thought without action is empty, action without thought is blind."

Ever heard of the Rastafarian saying "word-sound-power"?

In African culture the word is EXTREMELY powerful especially when it is backed by our culture(drum/base beats) That's why you pointed out that our educators need to teach this way. That is how 'we' learn. It's been that way for millenia. They have taken our sacred 'talking drum' and are using it's power aganist us.

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Rap is so important because it takes NOTHING to be one. NOTHING. There is no membership due, just rhyme some words, any words and you're in hip hop.

It doesn't matter if the words are deep or not - they're still just words and people who are actually getting shit done tend not to have time to listen to alot of words because they're too busy working on real shit.

Rappers are posers. They wanna come off like bad-boys and like they're part of some underground but, what underground is that? We're niggas, we've always been underground - this is just more posing. I don't see any revolutionary group being run by rappers.

Name one.[quote]

DEAD PREZ...and we are not 'niggaz' we are Africans. A revolutionary is supposed to know this.

[quote]The panthers and NOI get props in hip hop but, no chapters of these orgs are run by rappers. Know why? Because organizers organize and rappers rap. Organizers don't have TIME to rap, they have too much work to do. Rappers have plenty of time to TALK because they don't put in ANY WORK.


Not DEAD PREZ...but they are an anomoly. Organizing is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT... and any organizer understands the power of the PROPOGANDA ARMY... not that I have any hope that hip-hop is going to be one for the revolution... In the belly of the beast our propoganda army has to be 'underground' and grass roots...no pun intended.

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At best, rappers are cheerleaders (yes, bitches) for real revolutionaries and I'm tired of seeing them claim to be part of a struggle when they don't struggle, they just fill their notepads with endless impotent verbal masturbation and then wanna feel important and part of the struggle.

So, I know I'm dissing alot of people on this site who are rappers and I got love for y'all, I don't mean to offend but, I'm sick of the hold that hip hop has on my people. It inflates us like it's important and does nothing to help us and is the single biggest column of black society and that is perverse.

Dig it - let's check it out - Which Aspects Of Black Society Have The Most Adherents?:

1. Seperation - not many blacks want that

2. Reparations - many want it but, few actively pursue it

3. Reading - few pursue getting more blacks to read but, many more pursue rap or rap artists

4. Sciences - kids don't want to be scientists, they want to be rappers. They don't spend their time on scientific experiments, they spend their time writing or listening to rap.

5. Religion - this might have as many people pursuing it as rap does. But, having alot of religious people with no training in the sciences is not good for us as a group. And, most of them aren't practicing it right, anyway...

6. Real Estate - kids don't want to buy and sell land, they wanna express themselves and let the world hear how THEY feel. This is frightening - as a society, blacks don't need to know how all these kids feel, that's personal - we need to get to business.


The fact that rap, just some person rhyming, is more interesting than buying land shows how bad off we are as a race. If it IS a revolution then, we can all see WHY we've gotten nowhere and we should all feel depressed if hip hop is supposed to make our lives better.

IT's just an innate skill we have, like playing basketball - we don't have to work that hard to be really good at it. THAT'S WHY hip hop is so important to our unacheiving asses - niggas like shit to be easy and rapping is easy as playing basketball or doing hair or dancing for us.

Saying rap can save us is like saying basketball is a revolution or that we're going to save the world thru tap-dancing. It's just music and a big lie about being important and all of you sell it to others and perpetuate the myth of the importance of hip hop.

It's not important. It's just us jerking ourselves off - nothing more. Why do you think we're going nowhere even tho rap makes billions.

"A man becomes what he thinks about all day"

Well, since our kids aren't thinking about solving our problems in them world all day, we have no one that wants to. We never will until we get kids thinking about something other than rap all day.

It's a simple concept but, the way niggas act when I say it - I can see I'll be dead 100 years before someone starts talking about what a genius I was and how ahead of my time I was to talk of these things. But, it's not that at all - the evidence is right in our faces and we are just to addicted to it ourselves to be able to take it from our kids.

That's like a crackhead trying to keep his kids off the shit. But, when they come home with some new good shit, you'll be right in there with them doing it. That's what these hip hop parents are doing, killing us because they're raising our next generation on hip hop when we need to move onto deeper things.

I hate hip hop.


All of what you are complaining about is the result of the enemy's propoganda assault. Yes, the rappers are in compliance(working a PAID agents) because they are hyper individualists... And they need to be checked by us that know better. So I have ABSOLUTELY NO problem with your criticism of these 'sell-outs'. But we also need to understand how dangerous this rap crap really is...
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