EP, I'm amazed at our similarities...Even the ages match up. I became agnostic around age 11. In my case, it was because I was very interested in science and read a book called "Einstein: Ideas and Opinions" where I first read religious views completely unlike any to which I'd been exposed.

I had a period of intense religiosity at age 15. I have a cousin who is a Holiness minister. Under his influence, I became 'born again' (speaking in tongues, the whole bit). After a few years of this I eventually became sane again. What did it for me was not only the internal inconsistencies but the rather narrow world view. I'm very curious (and bookish) by nature and felt cramped surrounded by people who thought the only book worth reading seriously was the Bible.

I've been more or less agnostic ever since. But as I've grown I've become somewhat less of a science oriented rationalist and spiritual teetotaler and more willing to experiment. Call me Nu Age (I think I saw this on another thread somewhere).

But I'm done with every species of Fundamentalism - Christian, Islamic, whatever.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
EP, I'm amazed at our similarities...Even the ages match up. I became agnostic around age 11. In my case, it was because I was very interested in science and read a book called "Einstein: Ideas and Opinions" where I first read religious views completely unlike any to which I'd been exposed.

I had a period of intense religiosity at age 15. I have a cousin who is a Holiness minister. Under his influence, I became 'born again' (speaking in tongues, the whole bit). After a few years of this I eventually became sane again. What did it for me was not only the internal inconsistencies but the rather narrow world view. I'm very curious (and bookish) by nature and felt cramped surrounded by people who thought the only book worth reading seriously was the Bible.

I've been more or less agnostic ever since. But as I've grown I've become somewhat less of a science oriented rationalist and spiritual teetotaler and more willing to experiment. Call me Nu Age (I think I saw this on another thread somewhere).

But I'm done with every species of Fundamentalism - Christian, Islamic, whatever.


Amen! I with you! fro


I myself am not an agnostic. I'm not a theist, I'm not an atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I'm a non-theist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheism

http://www.answers.com/topic/nontheism

I view the question of whether or not "God" exists as irrelevant. To me, it's like arguing whether or not dragons have wings. It may not be answerable, and even if it is, it has no relevance; it's a tautology.

To me, theistic debates seem to like this:

Theist: Dragons have wings!
Atheist: Dragons do not have wings!
Agnostic: Dragons may or may not have wings.

This is me:
Non-Theist: Who cares?
Smile

I only view "God" as Ultimate/Asbolute Reality. I'm a holist and a monist (neutral monist/dialectic monist).
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
I view the question of whether or not "God" exists as irrelevant. To me, it's like arguing whether or not dragons have wings. It may not be answerable, and even if it is, it has no relevance; it's a tautology.

To me, theistic debates seem to like this:
.............................
This is me:
Non-Theist: Who cares?
Smile



Though I call myself "agnostic" it's somewhat of a technicality because I believe these questions are ultimately unanswerable. BUT I, like you, also believe that these questions are quite unimportant. I too find the 'debate' really * silly *. Because I'm sure that "God" (whatever that is) doesn't care and won't hold it against us if we call him/here/it "God" or "Allah" or "Jesus" or "Barney" or just "existence" or "the universe". These words are only puffs of air and our concepts are only finite no matter which expression we use.

Even according to Jesus, the two most important commandments are

(1) Love God with all your heart and mind

(2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself

So what do we do? We make our neighbors' lives miserable in the name of 'God' and waste precious time (that could be spent living a rich life) debating exactly what to call "God".
Arguing over a name is pointless and stupid.

Debating the concepts we hold is important because it is the concepts we have of 'God' that frames our whole world view and determines how we respond to each other, nature and the universe.

IMO the dominant world 'response' of Western man is extremely destructive to say the least.

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