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Halle Berry Demands Ex Stop Straightening Their Daughter’s Hair

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Halle Berry and ex-boyfriend Gabriel Aubry are at it again—but this time it’s about their six-year-old daughter’s hair.

TMZ reports the actress took Aubry (a French-Canadian model) to court this week with claims that he wanted their daughter, Nahla, to look white by straightening and lightening her hair. Halle, who believes in the one-drop rule, wanted Nahla’s hair to stay in its natural state, free of chemicals.

In the court documents, Berry stated:

“I continue to hope that Gabriel and I can find a way to work together to be successful co-parents. It was with regret that I concluded that I had to seek the court’s intervention on these issues, but until Gabriel recognizes the meaning of joint legal custody and how it is implemented, it appears that the court will be my only resort to safeguard Nahla’s best interests.”

RELATED: Halle's Hair Evolution

As it turns out, Halle (and her lawyer Steve Kolodny) won the battle. According to the site, the judge "is allowing Nahla's hair to grow back naturally." And, moving forward, neither parent can alter Nahla's natural hair texture or color.

Earlier this year, the courts ruled Berry to pay $16,000 a month in child support until Nahla is 19 years old or until she graduates from high school.

How would you have reacted? Should Halle have demanded Aubry to stop changing Nahla’s hair?

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Halley, all he wanted was money and be associated with your fame anyway. 16 grand a month for the next 13 years is 2.5 million. As far as he is concerned, he is winning with whatever else he got from the divorce, like a home, cars and other stuff. But I'm sure he wanted much more than 2.5 million and whatever else he got from the divorce. This woman have a long string of bad relationships.

After Halley hooked-up with that sucker, he turned into Massa on her ass. White man courted that semi-black vagina, didn't marry her, had a baby by her and now owns her more than ever, as SHE pays him child support. Don't know what that dude Oliver Whatever does that's married to her now.  Has he made a movie of any kind?? Is he here or is he in France??  What's Halle doing, really??? How's the baby boy?? 

 

It's not my business Halle, you're a celebrity, your business is out there, and folks have opinions.  I'm just one of those folks.

 

You go white you get what white doles out.  Color really doesn't make that much difference these days. One doesn't know what's in store after the hook-up. You can laugh, you can cry, you can die.  Chance we take. Men are GONE in the brain department.

 

Whatever she does, white man's gonna make sure she pays him.  He's gonna get her money.  Money is the ONLY THING ON THE PLANET that motivates him. That's the way it goes.

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Brotha Momentum wrote:  Halley, all he wanted was money and be associated with your fame anyway. 16 grand a month for the next 13 years is 2.5 million. As far as he is concerned, he is winning with whatever else he got from the divorce, like a home, cars and other stuff. But I'm sure he wanted much more than 2.5 million and whatever else he got from the divorce. This woman have a long string of bad relationships.

 

  Yup!  I remember her relationship with the football player David something or the other.  It was violence.  Then with Wesley Snips...she almost lost her eye when he beat up on her while they were filming "Jungle Fever."  She never pressed charges against him.  Big mistake! Then she married the singer....who she found him in bed with two women-he claimed he had a sex addiction and couldn't help himself.  Then the model.  

 

I recall her saying to Oprah that she's always been in relationship since her teens.  Bingo!  As they say, whoooooop there it is.  Halley never had the opportunity to find herself as a person, woman.  Cuz there was always some man in her face.  Plus she hasn't had down time without a man-to discover exactly who Halley is and there lies the problem as why she continues to make mistakes selecting life partners.  And there are women out there who believe that they cannot make it in life without having someone...a man.  

 

And I'm sorry this is typical for "pretty girls."  I have a lot of "pretty girls" in my family dynamics and I've seen their struggle to be accepted as a human first and not just a piece of meat or eye candy.  Sometimes having outer beauty is a hinderence cuz there is a lotta stuff going on inside when women are young girls developing into womanhood.  And I don't think Halley had time to develop fully on the inside before going on the social scene with men.  And participating in beauty contests didn't help her either.  As why men in her life felt they could do anything they wanted..including control and abuse her.  Cuz really?  After the fascination of beauty  fades....what do you have left to keep the relationship going?  What exactly do you talk about outside of the bedroom?

How can a man cheat on a "beautiful" woman?  

 

And this is what is costing a lot of "pretty" women a lot of problems.  Cuz Halley is not the only one with troubled relationships....there are a lot of women out there struggling with this.  That's why I do think she is finally growing up.  I used to think she was an air head..cuz I'm gonna say it....a black female raised by a white woman?  Really is an injustice especially if that black female refers to herself as black.  Cuz the white mother is raising her daughter like white women do....as a  social privilege "piece" for men to adorn.... not as a thinking human being capable of being independent...and most importantly self-sufficient.  You can tell the difference.  Now being self-sufficient Halley has accomplished based on her standard of beauty....but self-esteem as a black woman?  I think she began to evolve into this when she became a mother and eventually understood how imperative it is to teach/encourage your daughters to be their fully selves and not a man's concubine.  These were hard knock lessons for Halley.  I think she's still learning the ramifications of her past and as she is coming more into herself, she seems adamant about passing these vital lessons on to her daughter now as oppose to later to mitigate confusion.  And some of these lessons seem to be: Love the skin/body you're in and definitely love the texture of your HAIR..no matter what your racist crazy ass daddy says.   But!    

 

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Halle Berry, a biracial woman raised by a white mother who didn't want to have a baby with a African American man but instead have a child with a white man who wants to raise his daughter white because he's white and not American but French-Canadian.

 

His daughter is half white/black with a white/black biracial mother who is mad at the white father (who she's paying child support to) for being "white" because he's trying to raise his daughter as a white girl (the only thing he knows) while the black mother who didn't want to have a child with a black man, is now highly upset because she wants her white baby daddy to raise her daughter as a African American.

 

"Don't straighten my baby's hair!"

 

Halle Berry?

 

Isn't her hair always straight? I don't remember seeing any cornrows.

 

IMO, Halle's issues isn't about her daughter "looking black" but all about her natural curly hair that's not necessarily about her daughter's blackness and straightening her baby's naturally curly hair won't eliminate her daughter's natural curls.

 

Three bean casserole with "a very few" fried chicken pieces added for flavor versus plain 'ole three bean casserole.

 

A big 'ole mixed up bag of nuts.

 

Halle Berry?

 

Should have 'taken the risk" found a really good Black man that's "on her level" and have a child with him and this "mixed nuts" problem would not exist.

  True dat my brotha!  But the current white husband just like the white ex- husband KNEW Halley is half white half black,  But most importantly, refers herself as BLACK regardless that she has a white mother.  So.  For black women?  We know what this means.  It means that if I refer myself as a black woman, I am going to raise my children that way.  And I'm sure both men know this coming in.  Cuz 95% of the time historically?  Children spend most of their time with their mothers not their fathers.  And since he has gotten the money from her...I really think he wanna stick it to her cuz they are no longer together.  Cuz how many WHITE men you know with bi-racial children obsess over their daughters HAIR?

 

This "hair" dynamics many brothas don't understand.  But hair is what gives daughters their self-esteem.  Look at all the commercials on hair products.    And it isn't the point of "straighten the hair" per se as it is saying that acceptance is what type of hair you have or try to have.  If not there wouldn't be sooooo many different hairstyles for women to choose from.  I'm just saying.

  

And my brotha, to give Halley some credit?  She did try to deal with black men.  She had three I know of.  And that's David, Wesley and Eric.  All who abused her in some way of the other.  And these men were supposedly on her level and STILL they found a way to make her feel less than a woman.  And I think beating her up and cheating on her qualifies for abuse.  And of these men?  Two were her husbands.  So you know when women get a certain age, they don't deal with the kind of bullshyte immature men like the above mentioned dish out to prove their worth.  They come to terms that they would rather be with someone who don't see them as punching bags or coochies wearing high heels.  Just keeping it real.  Through those experiences, it appears that Halley grown to be a woman and doesn't want her daughter(s) to go toward the same unsettling journey she has gone through as a bi-racial child.  So she's starting early.  Letting her daughter see that it is not okay for MEN to determine your beauty....and most importantly that beauty is only skin deep-who you are inside is far more important.  She's doing this now so her daughter wont be wrapped up in this fake facade...which eventually destroys women's self-worth.  Cuz the fact is,  there are MEN who take this ridiculous outward physicality of a woman a bit tooooooo far...and she's attempting to mitigate it as much as she can.  JMHOIA. [Just my humble opinion is all.] But  

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Quote by Koco: "She did try to deal with black men."

 

Yes she did try to deal with 3 Black men that we know of, 1 white man who she is currently angry at and now with current husband who is Latino who has a bad temper actually seriously beating up the baby daddy and who also got into trouble with another violent situation when he allegedly shoved a Los Angeles contract airport employee to the ground with a car seat.

 

At some point, you have to stop looking at all the men she chooses to be with and ask the question....What is wrong with Halle Berry?

 

Why is she so attracted to and having intimate/sexual relationships with these type of men?

 

Getting physically abused (Wesley Snipes), getting cheated on (Eric Benet) taken advantage of financially (white baby daddy) and being married to and "protected" by a hot tempered Latino husband who gets angry and will fight at the drop of a hat,

 

Why the continuing bad choices in men regardless of their skin color?

 

She's the one in control that allows them to enter into her world and life of Hollywood A-list fame and celebrity and not the other way around.

 

That's on her.

 

5 men, 5 bad choices and regarding her daughter, she has to live while being shielded away from her mother's 2 current bad choices that are troubling and when she gets older, she will read all about bot of them (why did you mommy, allow "daddy" beat up my real daddy?) and also have to deal directly with both who may still be at odds with each other until she turns 18 years old as her mother navigates her through all of this....And it's probably not going to stop.

 

Hot tempered Latino husband? Is Halle living in fear of him?

 

Could be.

 

If Halle wasn't "Halle Berry" and lived in the hood or in America's suburbs, someone would be calling child protective services.

 

Think about it.

 

A 100% White French Canadian baby daddy, married to a 100% Latino husband with a biracial black/white child who has a black mother who wants to raise her 100% African American......And a white grandmother/relatives.

 

Without any changes to this dysfunctional equation......

 

Her daughter's chances of really being raised 100% African American.......

 

 

I remember a Black senior enlisted soldier who married a German woman who invited me to dinner one Sunday.

 

He was stationed in Germany and planned to live there when he retired because his wife didn't want to live in the US because she wanted to be close to her family in Germany and his family from the ghetto in Detroit, Michigan didn't like her because she wasn't Black and she was German.

 

They have 2 young children and both kids spoke no English at all because she didn't and would not allow it that really pissed him off.

 

He said to her, "they need to learn to speak English!" She just looked at him and walked away to the kitchen.

 

His African American culture, customs and heritage IMO, wasn't going to happen and the father's teachings who is outnumbered, was purposely being erased by the German mother despite the father's wants and her extended German family/relatives was probably also ensuring both kids were not going to be "Black"  while living as biracial German citizens and never being allowed to live in America at all because it was what she wanted for herself and "her" German children despite what he wanted as a Black man/American who will (if he stays married to her) will not live in America anymore.

 

Visiting his relatives with family in America? Yes.

 

Live there? No.

 

Visitation rights if divorced and if he decides to move back to the United States?

 

Between Germany and the United States where the children will officially spend the rest of their lives.

 

Halle is the mother and has total control in a very mixed up situation with a heavy Latino influence but I don't think the French Canadian White baby daddy is going to give up despite his love for his daughter and Halle's money.

 

 

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Brotha Cholly wrote:  

Yes she did try to deal with 3 Black men that we know of, 1 white man who she is currently angry at and now with current husband who is Latino who has a bad temper actually seriously beating up the baby daddy and who also got into trouble with another violent situation when he allegedly shoved a Los Angeles contract airport employee to the ground with a car seat.

 

At some point, you have to stop looking at all the men she chooses to be with and ask the question....What is wrong with Halle Berry?

 

Why is she so attracted to and having intimate/sexual relationships with these type of men?

 

Getting physically abused (Wesley Snipes), getting cheated on (Eric Benet) taken advantage of financially (white baby daddy) and being married to and "protected" by a hot tempered Latino husband who gets angry and will fight at the drop of a hat,

 

Why the continuing bad choices in men regardless of their skin color?

 

She's the one in control that allows them to enter into her world and life of Hollywood A-list fame and celebrity and not the other way around.

 

That's on her.

 

5 men, 5 bad choices and regarding her daughter, she has to live while being shielded away from her mother's 2 current bad choices that are troubling and when she gets older, she will read all about bot of them (why did you mommy, allow "daddy" beat up my real daddy?) and also have to deal directly with both who may still be at odds with each other until she turns 18 years old as her mother navigates her through all of this....And it's probably not going to stop.

 

Hot tempered Latino husband? Is Halle living in fear of him?

 

Could be.

 

If Halle wasn't "Halle Berry" and lived in the hood or in America's suburbs, someone would be calling child protective services.

 

Think about it.

 

A 100% White French Canadian baby daddy, married to a 100% Latino husband with a biracial black/white child who has a black mother who wants to raise her 100% African American......And a white grandmother/relatives.

 

Without any changes to this dysfunctional equation......

 

Her daughter's chances of really being raised 100% African American.......

 

 

I remember a Black senior enlisted soldier who married a German woman who invited me to dinner one Sunday.

 

He was stationed in Germany and planned to live there when he retired because his wife didn't want to live in the US because she wanted to be close to her family in Germany and his family from the ghetto in Detroit, Michigan didn't like her because she wasn't Black and she was German.

 

They have 2 young children and both kids spoke no English at all because she didn't and would not allow it that really pissed him off.

 

He said to her, "they need to learn to speak English!" She just looked at him and walked away to the kitchen.

 

His African American culture, customs and heritage IMO, wasn't going to happen and the father's teachings who is outnumbered, was purposely being erased by the German mother despite the father's wants and her extended German family/relatives was probably also ensuring both kids were not going to be "Black"  while living as biracial German citizens and never being allowed to live in America at all because it was what she wanted for herself and "her" German children despite what he wanted as a Black man/American who will (if he stays married to her) will not live in America anymore.

 

Visiting his relatives with family in America? Yes.

 

Live there? No.

 

Visitation rights if divorced and if he decides to move back to the United States?

 

Between Germany and the United States where the children will officially spend the rest of their lives.

 

Halle is the mother and has total control in a very mixed up situation with a heavy Latino influence but I don't think the French Canadian White baby daddy is going to give up despite his love for his daughter and Halle's money.

 

 

  Yes I agree my brotha.  There is something WRONG with Halley.  You can tell she comes from a dysfunctional place where she is accepting all types of abuse.  And that is why I say pretty?  Is overestimated as being successful.  Cuz when you have this type of visual attractiveness, where is the time needed to grow?  Halley had men in her face since the time in her teens.  She never had the opportunity to evolve into a full woman.  She always had men hanging around and as soon as one left, another took his place.  This is typical with "pretty girls."

 

Their existence of worth is determined by the man they are with.  Anyone can memorize lines and pretend to be someone else....but!  Where does the real identity come from?  When do it begin to  make a presence?   And many white mothers do not TEACH their daughters to be self-sufficient and independent.  As why you have never seen Halley alone.  She never gave herself enough time to find out who she really is.    Which is why you see many female artists crumble after they are no longer in demand.  

 

And I wonder if it would have been a big fight between her and her model boyfriend if her daughter came out dark skin with happy hair?  Would he still be trying to straighten her hair?  I think not.  

 

And there is another thing I like to say....some men think that when they are intimate with a woman....automatically "he" controls her every move....now her coochie belongs to him....she becomes a possession.  It doesn't matter the race, I've seen men from all cultures do this.  And with "pretty" women who do not have an opportunity to see behind the eyes of their own souls, they really do rest on their laurels and feel that they do not have to ANYTHING inside themselves only to focus on being "pretty."  But pretty gets really old.  And when you have children you have to think about them than yourself.

 

 So the bottom line is MATURITY.   When you have all this going on....when do you grow up?  And this is the case with Halley.  She is finally growing up and is currently finding herself in a mess due to the type of men she is selecting-that I agree with you on my brotha.  She also had ample time to discuss how she and model dude was going to raise their daughter.  And I do believe that Halley true persona is submissive.  So I agree with you on that as well.   

 

And why do these type of women don't have the skills to figure out what is the best for them?  Cuz they set their own pattern and begin choosing the same type of dysfunctional relationship-cuz they don't know no other way....even though they may talk that tough stuff like they have choices....but!  If you look closely they almost always select the SAME type of man-race doesn't matter.  They are lured to them because of the abusive dynamics in their history.  That's why battered wives stay with their abusive husbands[going back and forth with them] as why women continue to attract the kind of men who hurt them.  And this is dangerous cuz it is modeling a dangerous pattern for daughters born in this recycling spin mill of abuse.  They see their mothers dealing with it....so they think it's okay to be involved with same type of behavior.   

 

And that's why I think its so important NOT to give your POWER away to ANYONE just cuz you happen to love them.  Cuz with the African American guy and the German wife you spoke of ....there is no compromise or negotiation-and compromises/negotiations?   Are what marriage is.  In fact,  I too know a few folks in interracial marriages with the women white and controlling.  And I have offered my assistance to their families many times so that their children can grow up knowing both cultures.  But to no avail.  Unfortunately, I see some of the children rebelling against the mothers cuz NOW they wanna KNOW about their BLACK culture and their MOTHERS cannot answer one question about it.  So now they are in a quandary....and the black fathers have no clue what to do.  In my view, the black fathers should have made it clear that their culture is just as important as the European culture of their wives...but I think they were so wrapped up in the intimacy part of the relationship they didn't think it would be a problem down the road.  But it is.  

 

So I agree with you my brotha.  I think that when folks get in these types of relationships, they should go in with their eyes wide open and understand the full picture once children come into the mix.  Cuz it is truly unfair to pull them in grown folks mess.  And this is a mess.  Ask Halle.  But!

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Quote by Koco: " And that is why I say pretty?  Is overestimated as being successful. Cuz when you have this type of visual attractiveness, where is the time needed to grow?"

 

100% correct and agree.

 

That being and living "pretty" in the world and having this type of outward visual attractiveness that complimented all the time by everyone is a real problem unknown for many pretty women who don't really develop on the inside and developing the mental facilities on the inside being young and attractive that should have been learned over time going forward that would allow both the young and older pretty woman to readily predict the type of man you're getting involved with at the very first sign of abusive trouble in a relationship.

 

And if her mother was also a "pretty" attractive women and that's how she lived her life, she just passes that "seeing and teaching as the example" knowledge on to her young daughters.

 

You can have ANY man you want because you're pretty just the same as me.

 

Someone once told me years ago there are 4 types of attractive women in the world:

 

The beautiful woman, the cute woman, the sexy woman and the pretty woman and you can look at a attractive woman and actually see the difference.

 

IMO, that really hard mentally on these women as they age and the outer beauty falls off and especially when you see older women who were once "fine as wine" in their younger days that would stop a room now with all the sags, the extra, after the babies weight everywhere and the genetic based wrinkles hating on, worried about and still trying in their minds and physically to compete with the pretty young versions of themselves when they were young and pretty hoping their mid life crisis husbands or boyfriends don't look the other way and leave them and the kids for the once younger version of themselves.

 

You're right.

 

These women never matured and developed mentally and emotionally on the inside at the same rate as the lesser attractive women who had to develop mentally in order to compete.

 

the pretty women felt they didn't have to compete (unless the competition was another pretty women) because every man laid directly at their feet hoping to be next in line and despite how they are treated and abused physically, that physical beauty would at the end of the day, always win the day.

 

Question for Halle Berry is with her current dysfunctional relationships (current husband and baby daddy who keep the drama on going with Halle quarter backing the whole thing as her daughter internalizes all this) what will be her daughter's mental state as she grows up "pretty and attractive" in this dramatic situation with a still pretty mother who is as you said, her true persona is being submissive while seeking protection and security from her baby daddy at the hands of her hot tempered husband?

 

I find it really hard for Halle to develop an authentic "Black" daughter internally developed as a strong African American woman with acute internal awareness to live her life as a Black woman while avoiding troubled relationships with a middle aged "pretty" mother who is still learning herself while being totally surrounded by Halle's immediate family and extended family of non African Americans (White and Latino) of different races and strong ethnic backgrounds who think they're way of looking at and living life as a White and Latino race, is much better for Halle's Black daughter.

 

2 biracial people (mom and daughter) surrounded on both sides by non Blacks.

 

That's a really tough challenge.

"As it turns out, Halle (and her lawyer Steve Kolodny) won the battle. According to the site, the judge "is allowing Nahla's hair to grow back naturally." And, moving forward, neither parent can alter Nahla's natural hair texture or color."

 

Hmmmm....That was a good decision. I agree with the judge. The girl can make up her own mind as to whether she wants to perm or straighten her hair at another time in her life. I applaud Halley Berry for what she did. Tragically and unfortunately, the shocking overwhelming number of Negro females believe the opposite. They detest their genetic kinky hair. Witness the dominance of embarrassingly fake hair (weaves and wigs) that are standard gear for most Negresses. It's pathetic!

 

However, I must say in candid honesty, I was stunned speechless a few years ago when I was in Washington DC. Most of the black females I saw wore their natural hair. I couldn't believe it! It was a stark contrast to what I have seen in the rest of the country. In fact, I talked to a number of black women in DC about this very subject. They are acutely aware of the pandemic wig/weave virus that has infected millions of American Negro females. They dismissed the self hate and have taken a stand against the countless Korean kids sent to college and the wealth the Korean hair hat industry that American Negresses dollars sustain. Sad...sad...sad.....Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! 

 First of all...let's get this straight.  Wigs and weaves were worn by African Egyptians wayyyyyyyyyyy before massa came to Africa.  Most Egyptians wore their hair bald cuz it was sooooo hot in North Africa.  And during ceremonies or special events, the women wore wigs.  They also wore braids....with materials to braided in the hair to adorn it.  It is massa who has a "hair" fetish.  His women wore scarfs on the heads cuz they did not KNOW how to comb it.  And if you look in the history of Europeans, the women and the men began wearing white powdered wigs-which they stole the idea from Africa.  Of course now, people got it twisted and think that wearing wigs mean folks are trying to be like massa and that simply isn't true.  But what I will say....it's gone too far in terms of how black women see themselves.  Cuz when they came to the new world, they left their comb in Africa-and we know what happens when black women don't have combs-that was deliberate.  Anything to bring down self-esteem.  Plus in slavery, women and men caught lice from the slavers on the ships....as why it was imperative for them to wear scarfs....cuz slavers didn't allow slaves to bathe or comb their hair.  

 

So it is a legacy for black women to be into their hair....it depicts a freedom for them.  And this afro-style....came about in the sixities....cuz if you look at Africa at that time....many countries shows African women with head scarfs on their heads....and it was directly from being enslaved and colonized[by Arabs and European slavers]....earlier depictions of African women on walls and caves show them with their own hair in beautiful designs with and without braids.  So this afro-style is representative of the black revolution in America-not Africa.  But! 

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Brotha Cholly wrote:
The beautiful woman, the cute woman, the sexy woman and the pretty woman and you can look at a attractive woman and actually see the difference.

 

Great analogy. And world slavery is responsible for these unrealistic distinctions in women. And it really is in the eyes of the beholder in terms of what is deemed alluring. You're right you can actually look at the person and see the difference.  For men it's different. Cuz women look for other things in men to determine "handsomeness." And mainly some women look for the type of man who can care for them financially.


the pretty women felt they didn't have to compete (unless the competition was another pretty women) because every man laid directly at their feet hoping to be next in line and despite how they are treated and abused physically, that physical beauty would at the end of the day, always win the day.

 

Bingo! They compete with each other. Exactly.That's what the debutante scene is about.  Showing off massa's western standardized beauty.   And when that beauty fades? They are in real trouble cuz there is nothing....absolutely NOTHING inside them to sustain a relationship based on what they look like, There's no personality, no character, no self-confidence. It's sad really.

 

I remember my father telling my mom to leave me alone. I wanted to play outside with the boys...cowboys and indians. My mom wanted to teach me  about being dainty and alladat feminine stuff. I didn't want it. Didn't like it. And...didn't like being around females.  I think I was seven. I think the consensus was [at the time late fifties/early sixties] she wanted to prepare me for my role as a housewife. I was a child prodigy but it wasn't popular cuz I was a girl-and girls weren't suppose to think just do as they are told. And to be clear, I was very competitive but NOT with females...with males[in sports and in school]. My father didn't see anything wrong with this but the women in my family did. It was a battle. But in the end, I was allowed to be ME,  Thank you Papa!

 

But the pretty women in my family? Many of em are still struggling to this day. Cuz as you said Brotha Cholley looks fade and sags replace what used to be firm bodies...but! Here's the contradiction. Even though I was a tom boy...I ended up being very girly as a young woman. I was athletic all my life but there was a femininity in me that was innate and it grew into itself as I became older. So all that worry my mom did was really a waste. Cuz I matured into a woman anyway-regardless of her fears that I would be an old maid at 18 and barren.   With my daddy's support, I developed  a character, a unique personality, self-esteem, confidence, a voice, courage, and didn't care with others thought about me at a very young age.  And this was huge during the end of the Jim Crow era....I mean huge.  

 

I find it really hard for Halle to develop an authentic "Black" daughter internally developed as a strong African American woman with acute internal awareness to live her life as a Black woman while avoiding troubled relationships with a middle aged "pretty" mother who is still learning herself while being totally surrounded by Halle's immediate family and extended family of non African Americans (White and Latino) of different races and strong ethnic backgrounds who think they're way of looking at and living life as a White and Latino race, is much better for Halle's Black daughter.

 

I don't know. Look at Diana Ross' children.  Tracey Ross gave an inspiring speech at the NAACP about black women loving the bodies they are in and accepting how they look.  Her dad is white.  And there was never an issue with Diana's children's blackness.  So it can happen my brotha.  Especially if you have parents with both feet on the ground.  I understand exactly what Halley is attempting to do.  She understands the cesspool of the black identity crisis her daughter will fall into if she doesn't do anything about it....NOW!!!  While she is still young.  I think it's honorable for a woman to go through all this trouble to ensure her half-black daughter understands what it means to be "black" if she chooses to identify herself as "black."  It is a big responsibility....so I think Halley is making sure her daughter experiences the whole dynamics of it before she reaches puberty.  Cuz like others like Lisa Bonet[who has a white mother]...accepting your blackness even if it is half....releases your soul if you wanna be viewed as a black woman or not.  Many of em chooses to be just that i.e. a black woman.   And women like them that do this i.e. make this decision....do not have a melt down as they become less famous/successful and become more human. They become more balanced.    See what Bonet did?  She walked OUT on the fame....and found/discovered herself as a black woman.   But!

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 "So it is a legacy for black women to be into their hair....it depicts a freedom for them.  And this afro-style....came about in the sixities....cuz if you look at Africa at that time....many countries shows African women with head scarfs on their heads....and it was directly from being enslaved and colonized[by Arabs and European slavers]....earlier depictions of African women on walls and caves show them with their own hair in beautiful designs with and without braids.  So this afro-style is representative of the black revolution in America-not Africa.  But!"

 

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Nice try but reality and facts contradict everything you say. Bottom line is this -no other race or ethnicity of women hates their genetic hair more than black women....PERIOD!  No other race of women (as a group) are walking around with fake hair of another race (that is not in their genetic DNA) except black women. I have yet to see the majority (or a minority for that matter) of Asian, Arabic, Indian, Latina's, white, etc, females with kinky Afro wigs and weaves. I have yet to see non-black women sporting kinky head hair hats as part of their everyday apparel. Black women (as a group) are the only ones arrogantly walking around every day with a "fake hair hat of another race" on their heads.

 

And what is more disturbing than doing it to themselves -is their impart their self loathing and hate of their own genetic hair onto their children! I SEE IT EVERYDAY! I have yet to see a Latino, Indian white or Asian woman with a kinky Afro hair hat on their children and themselves! And you know this is true!

 

Yes, I know you like to spew that fantasy Hotep Negro race pride mythology about black women and their hair -but anyone with normal eyesight can see it just ain't so! The best thing to ever happen to black women (based on their own behavior) is Madame Walker and the billion dollar Korean fake hair merchants. And yes, I know talking about black women's hair (oh no you didn't!!)  is the pointy lead pencil in the eye ball. But I'm only telling the truth.....

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If you want straight hair and you're a white man, before you poke, make sure it's into the Caucasian Glory Hole that makes babies.  Otherwise, you get whatchuget.

 

Could be AIDS, could be kinks in the hair.  One never knows, does one?????  There are all kinds of sexual choices these days with only two sexes. That's Olympic!!!!

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