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lol

Pictures of bougie folks are ok!
Print milions of them, and it;s ok!

As long as it is open season on the rich black folks,it's ok to make fun of the poor.
Hell! The poor spent millions to see other black and Jewish folks make fun of the poor. Movies,
TV shows, and chicken circuit shows.

'My life has it's really rough, tumble moments, but I'm luckier than most people because I get the chance to enjoy it.">>>Whoopi GOldberg
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He might be a cranky old man but, there is some truth to what he's saying.
Yeah and all the preachers who say, "Ya'll out there sinnin'" have some "truth" to what they say too.

But what does any of that have to do with what he actually said, in total?

Even The Devil Knows [Some] Truth. So of what use is it to make that inane observation?

The notion that something or some things Cosby said have "some" truth to them (like Bill Bennett's statement had "some" truth to it - aborting babies, Black or otherwise, would potentially lessen the crime rate) is of no consequence. It doesn't say anything substantial in support of Cosby. In fact, it is weak support just as his ability to speak (eloquence and correctness) was/is weak.

That is unless half or quarter-truths are to be valued in the same way complete truths are.

A true premise(s) or statements don't necessarily make for valid conclusions (or arguments or position).

Ya'll better hope I get tired of saying that.
Oh and we can safely state with certainty that statements with merely "some truth" to them can hardly ever have valid conclusions if even a responsible impetus.
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Originally posted by jefftec:
He might be a cranky old man but, there is some truth to what he's saying.
Because of his service background, I'm not surprised at some of his statements, and lack of eloquence.


....but Cosby left out the worst part, because the leadership of Compton and South Central Los Angeles has kept these areas in poverty, which makes this a breeding ground for criminal activity, the proliferation of gangs, etc.,etc.

*********************

....For those who don't know or who are not aware.....

1. former Congressman Walter Tucker was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

2. former assemblywoman Pat Moore was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

3. former Mayor Omar Bradley was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

4. The Compton Unified School District, and Compton College have been taken over by the State of California on more than one occasion because the employees were on the take, stealing virtually anything that is not welded down. Heck so much graft, embezzlement, cheating, sleeping on the job, reporting to work while under the influence of illicit drugs, etc., etc., that it made it exceeding difficult to provide a quality educational experience, finance the purchase of textbooks for students, learning aids, provide classroom computers, maintain classrooms, bathrooms, and other facilities.

5. Killer/King Hospital and Charles Drew Medical School is on the edge of Compton, may lose its' accredidation, or face being closed down, and may lose millions of dollars in federal subsidies as a result of all the incompetence, the stealing, the greed, the sleaze, on the part of should I mention who........

6. Game playing, using false pretences to hold elected office, Brentwood Yvonne B. Burke, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton Merv Dymally, Maxine Kerosene Waters, carpetbagging caught with his pants down having lewd sex with a prostitute Assemblyman Kevin Murray, and/or other Black elected officials have known about, or contributed to this activity for decades, by remaining silent to protect personal friends, themselves, and/or to maintain the status quo.


...but Oh, well let us not be truthful. It is better to play the race card, and easier to blame Caucasians, Republicans, conservatives, to say these individuals are all at fault......

....... even though the Democratic Party, through our own misfit Black elected leaders, and poverty pimps have been large and in charge in Compton, and South Central Los Angeles, since 1965.

The employees found stealing include Black teachers, principals, other school administrators, secretaries, janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance employees, and virtually every other classification working within Compton. Hispanics have also been found guilty of the same offenses, but the number of Hispanics caught stealing, cheating, lying, etc., from the City of Compton is not nearly as pronounced as the number Black people caught stealing from one of the most economically deprived corruption prone communities in the State of California. Mind you, many of these individuals on the take are university graduates who possess B.S., B.A., M.S., M.A., and even Doctorate Degrees.

...and the City of Compton, is very much improved, not because of Black people, but rather the Hispanic community expects accountability, and will not tolerate this activity. The businesss community has finally returned to Compton, namely due to the heavy influx of Hispanics, whose culture is family oriented, and promote the ideals of "free enterprize".

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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gospelforthepoorbybillcosby


Bill Cosby may not have been as 'eloquent' as we would have liked,... he may not have been as 'sensitive, tender, politically correct, tactful, diplomatic or graceful with "HOW" he put things in his address at the Brown Vs. Board of Ed. celebration event- But the bottom line is,...after we get finished with all the 'paralysis of analysis', after we get finished being offended, vexed and embarrassed by his comments, the fact still remains that we as a people still have a whole lot of work to do ON OUSELVES! Sure, other groups have work to do on themselves as well, BUT I don't think Mr. Cosby was concerned at all about any other group of people. I know I'm not. I am confident that he expressed himself out of genuine concern for the plight of African Americans in this country and has demonstrated that concern not only with words, but with real measurable actions time and time again. Oh no, what he said was not pleasant, and he did not serve it up with a spoon full of suger,a chaser or in small doses, but what he spoke about is happening everyday, in every city in america and it is absolutley undeniable....no matter how cleverly some may attempt to package their rebuttals and rebukings. I, for one, am of the opinion that to be 'realistically self critical' is the most important step towards positive change. Whether it is directed at the poor for making self destructive choices, or whether it is about the (as Rev.Dr.Dyson coined it) afristocracy who turn a denyingly blind eye to it......we all need to acknowledge and face up to the things that we do to ourselves that keep us collectely weak, in prison, less educated, less productive and less regarded. When we summon the courage to face up to our self destructive pathologies, I feel quite certain that the fortitude to get up and do something about it won't be too far behind.
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Originally posted by Isome:

There's no truth to what he says. It's all distortion and hyperbole. But, the neo-cons in Black face jump at every opportunity to imitate white folks.


If there is "no truth" then why do YOU and so many other Kneegrows act as if he STEPPED ON YOUR TOES?

You say "imitate" White folks yet you and so many others are so keen on SITTING NEXT TO WHITE FOLKS IN SCHOOL so you can "know what they know in the same classrooms that they sit", accepting the statements from liberal Whites such as Jonathan Kozol that it is rare that an all Black educational environment produces quality AND YET HE IS NOT RUN OFF OF THE STAGE FOR SAYING SUCH AN IGNORANT THING.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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He might be a cranky old man but, there is some truth to what he's saying.
Yeah and all the preachers who say, "Ya'll out there sinnin'" have some "truth" to what they say too.

But what does any of that have to do with what he actually said, in total?

Even The Devil Knows [Some] Truth. So of what use is it to make that inane observation?

The notion that something or some things Cosby said have "some" truth to them (like Bill Bennett's statement had "some" truth to it - aborting babies, Black or otherwise, would potentially lessen the crime rate) is of no consequence. It doesn't say anything substantial in support of Cosby. In fact, it is weak support just as his ability to speak (eloquence and correctness) was/is weak.

That is unless half or quarter-truths are to be valued in the same way complete truths are.

A true premise(s) or statements don't necessarily make for valid conclusions (or arguments or position).

Ya'll better hope I get tired of saying that.
Oh and we can safely state with certainty that statements with merely "some truth" to them can hardly ever have valid conclusions if even a responsible impetus.


Nmaginate,

You said:
Oh and we can safely state with certainty that statements with merely "some truth" to them can hardly ever have valid conclusions if even a responsible impetus.
Yes I agree.
A lie with "some truth" to it can appear to have credibility.

Cosby spoke on issues that just can't be supported by stats.

Its up to the individual to interpret it's validity.
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Originally posted by Isome:
Bourgie people? Does the people who use that term the most no what it really means? Probably not.

There's no truth to what he says. It's all distortion and hyperbole. But, the neo-cons in Black face jump at every opportunity to imitate white folks.


Isome,

Cosby, commented on how we "aren't parenting", yeah he ranted, sure, but I've seen- while being employed for a local county govt.- Middle-school kids getting arrested...not one time...several times. Being disrepectful to adults. (yes they were black)
At the High Schools, I would see officers assigned to these schools full time.
Makes me wonder.

On Black youth culture
On Black youth culture


"People putting their clothes on backwards: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? ... People with their hats on backwards, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up to the crack and got all type of needles [piercings] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from? Those people are not Africans; they don't know a damn thing about Africa."

Isome,
Considering how the Hip-hop culture has influenced our young and the fashions (mode of dress) all you need to do is walk down the street to evidence of the above rant.
(assuming you live in urban NY)
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Originally posted by jefftec:

Isome,
Considering how the Hip-hop culture has influenced our young and the fashions (mode of dress) all you need to do is walk down the street to evidence of the above rant.
(assuming you live in urban NY)


He specifically referred to the whole CrisCross trend (wearing the clothes backwards) which lasted all of ten minutes. I live in NY and I see a broad cross-section of people: I see what used to be called hip-huggers on young and not so young women (white & Black) that are damn near pornographic for all the butt cleavage. Did Black people start that? I see super tight baby-tees worn by young and not so young women that doesn't create decolletage, so much as it just lets titties hang out. Did Black people start that? I've seen white kids with so many piercings that they are painful to look at. Did Black people start that? I've seen green hair, black lipstick and black fingernail polish (on white males). I saw a retro mohawk last month. Did Black folks start any of that?

Bill is full of shit, and if you buy into it...
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Cosby spoke on issues that just can't be supported by stats.

Its up to the individual to interpret it's validity.

lol lol lol lol lol lol

You say that but then you go on to say:
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Considering how the Hip-hop culture has influenced our young and the fashions (mode of dress) all you need to do is walk down the street to evidence of the above rant.
Dude, I'm not the one to play games with. Don't try to hide and just say things to appear to be agreeable as a way to slide in some of your BS... as if it will fly under the radar or something.

Individual Interpretation... LOL!! lol

Yes, as long as those individuals don't live in NY. Because if they do, according to you, there is abundant EVIDENCE for all to see (and make the same weak correlations). LOL

No room for individual interpretations there. Roll Eyes

See, that's what happens. There is no defense for an indefensible position. Although ya'll sure do try. And you try ever so weakly to make what you say "appear to have credibility."

A true premise(s) or statements don't necessarily make for valid conclusions.

Jeff, when you understand that what means, then get back with me. Note: I was hardly talking about "stats". Concern about stats, even the accuracy of them (ummm... stats could be marshalled in support of what the other Bill [Bennett] had to say) wasn't even close to my point. FOLLOW THE LINK.

My point, as clearly noted by the terms PREMISES and CONCLUSIONS, was about how Cosby's overall "argument" stands as illogical, fallacious and irresponsible as it is. Supporting stats (and, actually, the inaccurate stats he used) aren't even the half.
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Originally posted by jefftec:
On Black youth culture


White youth culture was being commented on by Geraldo Rivera on his show. Guess what the subject matter was? I'll tell you: White middle class youth disrespecting authority figures. The teaser for that show highlighted the recent middle class white boy who smuggled a gun into his surburban school.

Oh' we Black folks are the worst, we don't do nuttin' right. Our sub-culture (sarcasm not sentiment) developed in a vacuum!
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Originally posted by Isome:
Did Black people start that? I've seen white kids with so many piercings that they are painful to look at.

.....
Bill is full of shit, and if you buy into it...


Blacks Kids are the one's who represent the FUTURE of a people who have long been held back by society at large. I can't figure out the RESOLUTION to this problem that YOU present by pointing out what OTHER FOLKS ARE DOING. The only result that can be obtained is to show how OTHERS ARE DOWN IN THE MUD WITH "YOUR PEOPLE".

THE POINT that other people have mastered is that WHILE OTHERS ARE BLINDED BY THEIR OWN IGNORANCE AND FOOLISHNESS if YOU focus on your own serious efforts that in the long run THE MORE SERIOUS MINDED PEOPLE will make use of their mental discipline to advance beyond the less serious people.

ISOME while you are good at attacking conservatives and Black people who don't think like you I wonder if you really have any ability to set the environment by which an increasing amount of Black people will prosper beyond their current circumstances USING OUR OWN EFFORTS rather than some grand government policy that you have in mind.

I know of NO military force that has a bootcamp who's job is to transform young, impressionable people into soldiers capable of uniting as an army using the liberal, external projection of blame that you make use of.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

ISOME while you are good at attacking conservatives and Black people who don't think like you I wonder if you really have any ability to set the environment by which an increasing amount of Black people will prosper beyond their current circumstances USING OUR OWN EFFORTS rather than some grand government policy that you have in mind.


Look con man, shut your stupid pie-hole. I'm sick to death of your shit! Nowhere in my previous post did I advocate government intervention. On the other hand, everwhere in my post did I point out the fallacious argument that Black culture is somehow separate and apart from American culture, particularly with regards to its shortcomings. Get it straight or just shut up!

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I know of NO military force that has a bootcamp who's job is to transform young, impressionable people into soldiers capable of uniting as an army using the liberal, external projection of blame that you make use of.


Nowhere in my previous post did I blame anyone, nor was there reference to how to create an effective military. Get it straight or you know what to do, right? Shut your pie-hole!
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Get it straight or you know what to do, right? Shut your pie-hole!
Translation: SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!


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You say "imitate" White folks yet you and so many others are so keen on SITTING NEXT TO WHITE FOLKS IN SCHOOL so you can "know what they know in the same classrooms that they sit", accepting the statements from liberal Whites such as Jonathan Kozol that it is rare that an all Black educational environment produces quality AND YET HE IS NOT RUN OFF OF THE STAGE FOR SAYING SUCH AN IGNORANT THING.
Listen here, CON-Feed... There is a bunch of actual written cyber-statements by ISOME and whomever you pretend to be referring to. Quote, link, paraphrase what she/they have actually said to that effect or... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

Considering you can't... Move your "hurt toes" on.

I mean, understand why you might relate to Bill Cosby. You seem to have issues with logic too. Somehow, composing a logically sound argument is just too much for you to do so, like Bill, you hope bloated rhetoric can carry you.

That's why you're stuck saying the same silly ass BULLSHIT about "sitting next to White Folks" when it is your happy ass running around telling FANTASTIC SAMS stories.

And your whole Kozol thing is too damn funny. Pretty damn ironic actually. The same knee-jerk response you try to clown people on with respect to Cosby is the same type of knee-jerk response you have towards Kozol.

I think we're going to have to have several classes on how to compose and recognize arguments and learn how to distinguish the elements of a person's CONCLUSION, etc.

When you get a clue, then talk to me. Until then STFU!!!
I suspect that I can't make use of symbolism in talking with you.

Do you believe that our Black youth are in need of TRANSFORMATION for us to ever achieve our maximum potential as a race of people?

What do you figure will lead to this change? The IRRADICATION OF RACISM FROM WHITE FOLKS?

If this is the case then is it not true that the ultimate form of the elimination of the NEGATIVE/ADVERSARIAL FORCE FROM WHITE FOLK upon Blacks to DISTANCE OURSELVES FROM THEIR SYSTEM?

Strictly from a CULTURE standpoint what does the ideology that is generally called "Hip Hop" offer to our young people beyond PROTEST OF AUTHORITY?

Was the hip hop force a factor in New Orleans AMONG THE PEOPLE who needed to be rescued OR were the POLICE FORCES that they are often opposed against the key force that saved people?

My ultimate question is - Beyond the PROTESTS what do you and others have to offer? You rail against EVIL corporations but no doubt you have a cellphone, use the Internet, consume gasoline and benefit from receiving warm weather produce in the winter-time all delivered to you by this EVIL SYSTEM.

Your THEORIES only have you to remain as a demonstrator standing outside, looking at the productive activities that are taking place through the large plate glass window that you peer through. The sad part about it is that during your lunch break from the picket line you go INSIDE THE VERY BUSINESS THAT YOU PROTEST, sit at the counter and get a hot cup of coffee to warm you up.

How are you fundementally different than the people that you protest against Isome, aside from THEY being more of a central player in the system and you seeking entry into it?
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Originally posted by Michael:
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Originally posted by jefftec:
He might be a cranky old man but, there is some truth to what he's saying.
Because of his service background, I'm not surprised at some of his statements, and lack of eloquence.


....but Cosby left out the worst part, because the leadership of Compton and South Central Los Angeles has kept these areas in poverty, which makes this a breeding ground for criminal activity, the proliferation of gangs, etc.,etc.

*********************

....For those who don't know or who are not aware.....

1. former Congressman Walter Tucker was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

2. former assemblywoman Pat Moore was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

3. former Mayor Omar Bradley was was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

4. The Compton Unified School District, and Compton College have been taken over by the State of California on more than one occasion because the employees were on the take, stealing virtually anything that is not welded down. Heck so much graft, embezzlement, cheating, sleeping on the job, reporting to work while under the influence of illicit drugs, etc., etc., that it made it exceeding difficult to provide a quality educational experience, finance the purchase of textbooks for students, learning aids, provide classroom computers, maintain classrooms, bathrooms, and other facilities.

5. Killer/King Hospital and Charles Drew Medical School is on the edge of Compton, may lose its' accredidation, or face being closed down, and may lose millions of dollars in federal subsidies as a result of all the incompetence, the stealing, the greed, the sleaze, on the part of should I mention who........

6. Game playing, using false pretences to hold elected office, Brentwood Yvonne B. Burke, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton Merv Dymally, Maxine Kerosene Waters, carpetbagging caught with his pants down having lewd sex with a prostitute Assemblyman Kevin Murray, and/or other Black elected officials have known about, or contributed to this activity for decades, by remaining silent to protect personal friends, themselves, and/or to maintain the status quo.


...but Oh, well let us not be truthful. It is better to play the race card, and easier to blame Caucasians, Republicans, conservatives, to say these individuals are all at fault......

....... even though the Democratic Party, through our own misfit Black elected leaders, and poverty pimps have been large and in charge in Compton, and South Central Los Angeles, since 1965.

The employees found stealing include Black teachers, principals, other school administrators, secretaries, janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance employees, and virtually every other classification working within Compton. Hispanics have also been found guilty of the same offenses, but the number of Hispanics caught stealing, cheating, lying, etc., from the City of Compton is not nearly as pronounced as the number Black people caught stealing from one of the most economically deprived corruption prone communities in the State of California. Mind you, many of these individuals on the take are university graduates who possess B.S., B.A., M.S., M.A., and even Doctorate Degrees.

...and the City of Compton, is very much improved, not because of Black people, but rather the Hispanic community expects accountability, and will not tolerate this activity. The businesss community has finally returned to Compton, namely due to the heavy influx of Hispanics, whose culture is family oriented, and promote the ideals of "free enterprize".

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


talk about hospital failures in generaland include the UC Hospital liver bank that had a lot of things go wrong..and you won't come across as a sorry azz self-loathing nigga who is rotting away in the hood from hatred of his own surroundings.....do your homework.....and for once not take a look at a general issue as a black issue.....try it and see if you can leap over your hatred for blacks and do so......I'm just joking......your afflictions are too deep to correct them this late in your life...I just want to help you with a self-examination.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
I suspect that I can't make use of symbolism in talking with you.


You persist in talking loud and saying nothing.

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Do you believe that our Black youth are in need of TRANSFORMATION for us to ever achieve our maximum potential as a race of people?


Not just our youth, unthinking people like you, too!

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What do you figure will lead to this change? The IRRADICATION OF RACISM FROM WHITE FOLKS?


No, to the contrary, the eradication (note the difference oh' one who needs remedial English) of attitudes like yours.

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If this is the case... blah blah blah


It isn't.

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Strictly from a CULTURE standpoint what does the ideology that is generally called "Hip Hop" offer to our young people beyond PROTEST OF AUTHORITY?


Gangsta rap is not the sum total of Hip-Hop. If you were in touch, you'd know that and not talk so loud and say absolutely nothing. There was and still is a marked difference between the two and the youth most into it argue the difference constantly because of the mischaracterization. There is a whole kumbaya, one love element to actual Hip-Hop. Learn that and then try again you out of touch con-man.
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Do you believe that our Black youth are in need of TRANSFORMATION for us to ever achieve our maximum potential as a race of people?

What do you figure will lead to this change? The IRRADICATION OF RACISM FROM WHITE FOLKS?
Dude, I don't have time for rhetoric.

What the fuck is behind this term of yours -- TRANSFORMATION?

And we've long since had a talk about this EITHER OR bullshit you're entrenched in. Even that type of rhetoric, where you fallaciously try to paint yourself as the one concerned about the Black Community, won't save you.

Since you can't break out of the same old rhetoric and since you refuse to TRANSFORM your discourse... STFU!!!

The whole point and purpose of pointing out and seeking to change the structural and systematic nature of "White Racism" (structural and systematic, not-so-much the personal/interpersonal) is to MAXIMIZE BLACK POTENTIAL by removing any and all artificial and arbitrary barriers. Barriers that stand in the way of self-actualization because there are yet some basic, fundamental, societal and systematic things in need of TRANSFORMATION.

Get a fuckin' clue then come back. But since you're clueless... STFU!!!
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Cosby spoke on issues that just can't be supported by stats.

Its up to the individual to interpret it's validity.

lol lol lol lol lol lol

You say that but then you go on to say:
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Considering how the Hip-hop culture has influenced our young and the fashions (mode of dress) all you need to do is walk down the street to evidence of the above rant.
Dude, I'm not the one to play games with. Don't try to hide and just say things to appear to be agreeable as a way to slide in some of your BS... as if it will fly under the radar or something.

Individual Interpretation... LOL!! lol

Yes, as long as those individuals don't live in NY. Because if they do, according to you, there is abundant EVIDENCE for all to see (and make the same weak correlations). LOL

No room for individual interpretations there. Roll Eyes

See, that's what happens. There is no defense for an indefensible position. Although ya'll sure do try. And you try ever so weakly to make what you say "appear to have credibility."

A true premise(s) or statements don't necessarily make for valid conclusions.

Jeff, when you understand that what means, then get back with me. Note: I was hardly talking about "stats". Concern about stats, even the accuracy of them (ummm... stats could be marshalled in support of what the other Bill [Bennett] had to say) wasn't even close to my point. FOLLOW THE LINK.

My point, as clearly noted by the terms PREMISES and CONCLUSIONS, was about how Cosby's overall "argument" stands as illogical, fallacious and irresponsible as it is. Supporting stats (and, actually, the inaccurate stats he used) aren't even the half.


Mr Nmaginate,

What was the idea of co-mingling a response that I made with Isome and a response that I made with you, and making an issue of it?

When I responded to you, it was in conclusion of the conversation.

remember?
Its up to the individual to interpret it's validity.

That's all.
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Originally posted by Isome:
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Originally posted by jefftec:

Isome,
Considering how the Hip-hop culture has influenced our young and the fashions (mode of dress) all you need to do is walk down the street to evidence of the above rant.
(assuming you live in urban NY)


He specifically referred to the whole CrisCross trend (wearing the clothes backwards) which lasted all of ten minutes. I live in NY and I see a broad cross-section of people: I see what used to be called hip-huggers on young and not so young women (white & Black) that are damn near pornographic for all the butt cleavage. Did Black people start that? I see super tight baby-tees worn by young and not so young women that doesn't create decolletage, so much as it just lets titties hang out. Did Black people start that? I've seen white kids with so many piercings that they are painful to look at. Did Black people start that? I've seen green hair, black lipstick and black fingernail polish (on white males). I saw a retro mohawk last month. Did Black folks start any of that?

Bill is full of shit, and if you buy into it...


Isome,

What we have here is Bill Cosby, a seventy-something year-old man who came up when it was a big thing to see a woman's ankles, tongue ek
while nowadays, effortlessly, able to see buttcrack (more or less) (as in women's apparel).

Did Black folks start any of that?
I don't know Isome. Probably not...I'll take your word for it....

Did Black folks start any of that?
That may not be the applicable question.

Do Black folks need to continue any of that?
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Originally posted by jefftec:
What was the idea of co-mingling a response that I made with Isome and a response that I made with you, and making an issue of it?


Obtuse... come on now jeff, really! You asked if I saw the clothing style you & Bill find so disturbing and negative, and I pointed out that there are clothing styles that are distateful that do not come from the influence of Black folks.
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Originally posted by Isome:
quote:
Originally posted by jefftec:
What was the idea of co-mingling a response that I made with Isome and a response that I made with you, and making an issue of it?


Obtuse... come on now jeff, really! You asked if I saw the clothing style you & Bill find so disturbing and negative, and I pointed out that there are clothing styles that are distateful that do not come from the influence of Black folks.


Isome,

What?
What do want me to say? geez
Okay, Blacks didn't start the current clothing styles.

Now...
Do Black folks need to continue any of that?
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Originally posted by jefftec:
Isome,

What?
What do want me to say? geez
Okay, Blacks didn't start the current clothing styles.


You're going to say what you want to say. What you should do, however, is to be able to view the issue from a realistic perspective.

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Now...
Do Black folks need to continue any of that?


Black people's influence on the larger population's clothing style is not something that we can discontinue, or even should. Young people of all stripes come up with crazy shit to wear, say & do! How many people here over 35 y/o had those balloon pants that Hammer popularized, or wore their hair over one eye, or had multiple parts cut into it (I had the multiple parts) or wore a high-top fade? Eventually you grow up and out of trendy crap. As soon as you do, you look back and see new trends (mostly recycled ones) that you feel sure you, as a young person, would never have followed. More than likely, you're lying to yourself.

The afro was considered radical and threatening to white folks, and it started with young Black people. As they are wont to do white folks eventually copied it shamelessly! Some older Black folks were highly upset about that hairstyle. They were as wrong then as Bill is now.

It's a young people thing, not a young Black people thing. Where is the logic in condemning what Black people do, while ignoring the same thing done on a grand scale among those in the larger population?

Our young folks can be equally as ridiculous, creative, profound, stupid, disrespectful, loving, etc. as any other young people. We are human, you know. We are not some special breed of the species that can eliminate crime, vice, greed or stupidity from our ethnicity's nature.

Those are character flaws that plague all humankind.



We do not have a monopoly on them.
".....talk about hospital failures in generaland include the UC Hospital liver bank that had a lot of things go wrong..and you won't come across as a sorry azz self-loathing nigga who is rotting away in the hood from hatred of his own surroundings.....do your homework.....and for once not take a look at a general issue as a black issue.....try it and see if you can leap over your hatred for blacks and do so......I'm just joking......your afflictions are too deep to correct them this late in your life...I just want to help you with a self-examination." by Kevin41

....but Cosby left out the worst part, because the leadership of Compton and South Central Los Angeles has kept these areas in poverty, which makes this a breeding ground for criminal activity, the proliferation of gangs, etc.,etc.

.....same response would definitely be appropriate, the response being....

....For those who don't know or who are not aware.....

1. former Congressman Walter Tucker was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

2. former assemblywoman Pat Moore was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

3. former Mayor Omar Bradley was indicted and convicted for accepting bribes, and stealing from the taxpayers of the residents of Compton.

4. The Compton Unified School District, and Compton College have been taken over by the State of California on more than one occasion because the employees were on the take, stealing virtually anything that is not welded down. Heck so much graft, embezzlement, cheating, sleeping on the job, reporting to work while under the influence of illicit drugs, etc., etc., that it made it exceeding difficult to provide a quality educational experience, finance the purchase of textbooks for students, learning aids, provide classroom computers, maintain classrooms, bathrooms, and other facilities.

5. Killer/King Hospital and Charles Drew Medical School is on the edge of Compton, may lose its' accredidation, or face being closed down, and may lose millions of dollars in federal subsidies as a result of all the incompetence, the stealing, the greed, the sleaze, on the part of should I mention who........

6. Game playing, using false pretences to hold elected office, Brentwood Yvonne B. Burke, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton Merv Dymally, Maxine Kerosene Waters, carpetbagging caught with his pants down having lewd sex with a prostitute Assemblyman Kevin Murray, and/or other Black elected officials have known about, or contributed to this activity for decades, by remaining silent to protect personal friends, themselves, and/or to maintain the status quo.


...but Oh, well let us not be truthful. It is better to play the race card, and easier to blame Caucasians, Republicans, conservatives, to say these individuals are all at fault......

....... even though the Democratic Party, through our own misfit Black elected leaders, and poverty pimps have been large and in charge in Compton, and South Central Los Angeles, since 1965.

The employees found stealing include Black teachers, principals, other school administrators, secretaries, janitors, cafeteria workers, maintenance employees, and virtually every other classification working within Compton. Hispanics have also been found guilty of the same offenses, but the number of Hispanics caught stealing, cheating, lying, etc., from the City of Compton is not nearly as pronounced as the number Black people caught stealing from one of the most economically deprived corruption prone communities in the State of California. Mind you, many of these individuals on the take are university graduates who possess B.S., B.A., M.S., M.A., and even Doctorate Degrees.

...and the City of Compton, is very much improved, not because of Black people, but rather the Hispanic community expects accountability, and will not tolerate this activity. The businesss community has finally returned to Compton, namely due to the heavy influx of Hispanics, whose culture is family oriented, and promote the ideals of "free enterprize".

.......Last but not least.....

Sincerely,

Against All Odds
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