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GOP candidate says 9/11 attacks were a hoax


By ALBERT McKEON, Telegraph Staff
amckeon@nashuatelegraph.com

Published: Thursday, Aug. 24, 2006

A Republican candidate for this area's congressional seat said Wednesday that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

In an editorial board interview with The Telegraph on Wednesday, the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.

Maxwell, 59, seeks the 2nd District congressional seat. The Concord resident opposes the incumbent, Charles Bass of Peterborough, and Berlin Mayor Bob Danderson in the Republican primary Sept. 12.

Maxwell would not specify if she holds the opinion that the government stood by while terrorists hijacked four domestic airliners and used them as weapons, or if it had a larger role by sanctioning and carrying out the attacks.

But she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant "to soften us up . . . to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights . . . to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims . . . and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs," giving Americans a reason "to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons."

She said this strategy "would be normal" for governments, citing her belief that the British government – and not the Germany military – sank the Lusitania ocean liner in 1915. The deaths of Americans on the cruise liner helped galvanize U.S. support to enter World War I, and benefited England, she said.

In turn, the Sept. 11 attacks "made the ground fertile" for more stringent laws, such as the Patriot Act, and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Maxwell said.

Near the end of the interview, Maxwell pounded her fist on the table and asked editors of The Telegraph why they weren't publishing more stories about the government's role in the terrorist attacks or proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Maxwell has no political experience. She lived abroad for the past quarter-century with her husband, George, a pediatrician, and only recently returned to the U.S., she said.

In the hour-long interview, Maxwell spoke at length about Constitutional law, U.S. law, nuclear weapons proliferation, and other domestic and foreign policy issues.

Maxwell said the U.S. should withdraw from Iraq. She also questioned whether Congress authorized the war and said its members can't explain that 2002 vote. (Congress authorized the use of force to defend this country's security and enforce United Nations resolutions on Iraq.)

"Legally, we shouldn't have gone to Iraq if Congress can't explain why," she said.

Maxwell described herself as a strict Constitutionalist, a candidate who wants to bring the country "back to basics." The Constitution grants more power to the legislative branch than the other two branches, but Congress has allowed the executive and judicial branches to diminish its influence, she said.

She also said the U.S. shouldn't immerse itself in the international community by signing trade and security pacts. These agreements have weakened national sovereignty, she said.

Albert McKeon can be reached at 594-5832 or amckeon@nashuatelegraph.com.

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This gets traction in the reading public, because of America's history in 'creating the reasons for war'.

'Gotta have Canada'

The War of 1812

'Wow, The Germans sank a transport vessel in the traffic lanes used by troop ships'

WW I

The Spanish sank 'The Maine'.

Spanish-American War

'The North Viet-Namese attacked us.'

Expansion of the Viet-Nam War

Yatta, yatta.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
This is a British documentary about the War on Terror with a rather broad perspective.

Episode 1: Baby it's cold outside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a87mlD5wTE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbu2fuocEKs

Episode 2: The Phantom Victory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQPjhRm6xQ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t77MRdL0jtM

Episode 3: The Shadows in the Cave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjL7rt8z2y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU3vzaHeXMQ

umbrarchist


Thanks so much Umrachrist! I'm half way through the first link and I have the knawing feeling I am an extremsist by the videos standars...lol.

What do you think about the movie "Loose Change"?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-59465939738488...q=loose+change&hl=en
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Umrachrist

lol lol lol lol

That's what I get for making up a unique name.

umbra == the shadow of a planet or moon where the sun it completely blocked.

archist == person advocating some type of rule as in monarchist or anarchist

umbrarchist == advocate of the rule of darkness.

Either Black Power advocate or agent of Darth Vader. lol

A Black Vulcan with a phaser. (not on stun)

umbrarchist
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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Umrachrist

lol lol lol lol

That's what I get for making up a unique name.

umbra == the shadow of a planet or moon where the sun it completely blocked.

archist == person advocating some type of rule as in monarchist or anarchist

umbrarchist == advocate of the rule of darkness.

Either Black Power advocate or agent of Darth Vader. lol

A Black Vulcan with a phaser. (not on stun)

umbrarchist


That was strictly a typo on my part, sorry about that. But thanks for the explanation of the umbra part...

I'm on the 4th link now, I noticed they glossed over capitalist imperialism and Zionism in the area, and that the 'liberals' that 'got everything they wanted' in Amerikkka did not include a redistribution of wealth, but that was expected from the BBC.

Did you have any comments on 'Loose Change'?
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I'm on the 4th link now, I noticed they glossed over capitalist imperialism and Zionism in the area, and that the 'liberals' that 'got everything they wanted' in Amerikkka did not include a redistribution of wealth, but that was expected from the BBC.


This series could provoke discussion that could go on for days. One of the first things that struck me was Sayed Kotb's comments about American's emphasis on lawn care. It reminded me of Ernest Hemingway:

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the strict Protestant ethic of Oak Park, which Hemingway later said had "wide lawns and narrow minds.


This entire business is a culture war. American Manifest Destiny is no different from Lebensraum, and American capitalist imperialism not significantly different from Russian communist imperialism. European culture is constantly at war. They don't know how to not be at war. The way they do business is war, so continuous conflict is inevitable.

But I think there is another factor affecting the West and probably the middle-east even more: technological change. In 1970 Alvin Toffler came out with the book Future Shock. Techno-change hasn't slowed down since then tho it is interesting we haven't been to the moon since '72. That is not what I would have expected then. But the technology we are using now is a spin off from the space race. The government financed the development of micro-electronics because they had to have a lightweight, rugged computer to make the moon landing possible. But this technology creates spin offs of spin offs. The human genome project would be impossible without computers and it will be decades before we know the effects of that.

But Kotb was worried about the effects of American culture on the middle-east. That commercial with Egyptian women singing "I love Snoopy, Snoopy loves me" was hilarious. But the electronic technology is supposed to brainwash all of us into being good stupid consumers. So in addition to East-West culture conflict the whole world has to decide what kind of future techno-culture we will create.


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Did you have any comments on 'Loose Change'?


I have seen that video before. I was home on 9/11 and a friend called me and told me what was going on so I watched some of it real time and of course saw lots of replays.

For some reason I wanted to be an architect in my early grammar school years. Though I decided to switch to science/engineering by graduation. There were lots of architects in my fraternity and my pledge father was one. We could see the Sears Tower being constructed from the living room of the frat. I think that is one boring building. But a couple of days after 9/11, after the shock was wearing off I was thinking, "I cannot believe two airplanes could bring down those buildings that soon after impact. If they had burned for 24 hours and left 10 stories standing at the bottom, maybe I could believe it. But both collapsing straight down and level to the ground! NO WAY! And then a 3rd building that wasn't hit by a plane collapses too. Total Bullshit!

It is just that the inevitable conclusion seems so outlandish also. But the laws of physics are inescapable.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/2681

http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_1439.cfm

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=12428

umbrarchist
quote:
Originally posted by umbrarchist:
quote:
I'm on the 4th link now, I noticed they glossed over capitalist imperialism and Zionism in the area, and that the 'liberals' that 'got everything they wanted' in Amerikkka did not include a redistribution of wealth, but that was expected from the BBC.


This series could provoke discussion that could go on for days. One of the first things that struck me was Sayed Kotb's comments about American's emphasis on lawn care. It reminded me of Ernest Hemingway:

quote:
the strict Protestant ethic of Oak Park, which Hemingway later said had "wide lawns and narrow minds

But Kotb was worried about the effects of American culture on the middle-east. That commercial with Egyptian women singing "I love Snoopy, Snoopy loves me" was hilarious. But the electronic technology is supposed to brainwash all of us into being good stupid consumers.


That's why I said I had the feeeling I was an extremist by the video standards. I was really feeling what Kotb said! I find myself looking at most of Amerikkkan culture this way all the time. What was funny is the BBC meant to make it look like that outlook was 'crazy', but I really identifed with it. Mind numbing comsumer culture is really creepy.

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This entire business is a culture war. American Manifest Destiny is no different from Lebensraum, and American capitalist imperialism not significantly different from Russian communist imperialism. European culture is constantly at war. They don't know how to not be at war. The way they do business is war, so continuous conflict is inevitable.[quote]

I would be curious to know 'why' you think that is. I would love to know your perspective. I always find it so fascinating.

[quote]But I think there is another factor affecting the West and probably the middle-east even more: technological change. In 1970 Alvin Toffler came out with the book Future Shock. Techno-change hasn't slowed down since then tho it is interesting we haven't been to the moon since '72. That is not what I would have expected then. But the technology we are using now is a spin off from the space race. The government financed the development of micro-electronics because they had to have a lightweight, rugged computer to make the moon landing possible. But this technology creates spin offs of spin offs. The human genome project would be impossible without computers and it will be decades before we know the effects of that.


True

quote:
Did you have any comments on 'Loose Change'?


I have seen that video before. I was home on 9/11 and a friend called me and told me what was going on so I watched some of it real time and of course saw lots of replays.

For some reason I wanted to be an architect in my early grammar school years. Though I decided to switch to science/engineering by graduation. There were lots of architects in my fraternity and my pledge father was one. We could see the Sears Tower being constructed from the living room of the frat. I think that is one boring building. But a couple of days after 9/11, after the shock was wearing off I was thinking, "I cannot believe two airplanes could bring down those buildings that soon after impact. If they had burned for 24 hours and left 10 stories standing at the bottom, maybe I could believe it. But both collapsing straight down and level to the ground! NO WAY! And then a 3rd building that wasn't hit by a plane collapses too. Total Bullshit!

It is just that the inevitable conclusion seems so outlandish also. But the laws of physics are inescapable.

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/2681

http://www.organicconsumers.org/2006/article_1439.cfm

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=12428

umbrarchist


Thanks again. It is nice to know the opinion of someone who has more expertise in this area.

You remind me of this brother I was in an organization with. He was a technology junkie and IMO a genious. He was an expert in all the areas of life that are far from my strong points, but that we all need to know. I used to love going to his classes.
Another detail which I found interesting and applies in other cases is that there is no mention of Chernobyl.

In the program the American conservatives and Muslims in Afghanistan claim the credit for getting the Russians out and the fall of Communism. But the Russians withdrew after the Chernobyl. How much effect did that have on the Russian economy? They had to evacuate an entire city. How much did that undermine the people's confidence in the government. But Chernobyl has all but disappeared from the minds of the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_in_the_popular_consciousness

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0325-05.htm

It is strange how watching Star Trek: Undiscovered Country gives a greater idea of the impact of Chernobyl than the dry facts.

Chernobyl explosion 1986
Afghanistan withdrawl 1988
Soviet collapse 1991

umbrarchist
quote:
Originally posted by umbrarchist:
Another detail which I found interesting and applies in other cases is that there is no mention of Chernobyl.

In the program the American conservatives and Muslims in Afghanistan claim the credit for getting the Russians out and the fall of Communism. But the Russians withdrew after the Chernobyl. How much effect did that have on the Russian economy? They had to evacuate an entire city. How much did that undermine the people's confidence in the government. But Chernobyl has all but disappeared from the minds of the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_in_the_popular_consciousness

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0325-05.htm

It is strange how watching Star Trek: Undiscovered Country gives a greater idea of the impact of Chernobyl than the dry facts.

Chernobyl explosion 1986
Afghanistan withdrawl 1988
Soviet collapse 1991

umbrarchist


They sure do leave out Chernobyl... interesting.
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
This gets traction in the reading public, because of America's history in 'creating the reasons for war'.

'Gotta have Canada'

The War of 1812

'Wow, The Germans sank a transport vessel in the traffic lanes used by troop ships'

WW I

The Spanish sank 'The Maine'.

Spanish-American War

'The North Viet-Namese attacked us.'

Expansion of the Viet-Nam War

Yatta, yatta.

PEACE

Jim Chester


You beat me to it, JWC.
I am starting to build up quite a collection of bookmarks on this. This is the most non-techy, comprehensible rebuttal I have seen so far.

http://911research.wtc7.net/materials/contrib/911_physics_v9a.htm

This one is more specific about what is wrong with the NIST report.

http://911research.com/essays/nist/index.html

They made an assumption about the trajectory of the plane that hit the south tower that contradicts FEMA and the video evidence. I don't know how big a stink is going to be made of this crap. This is obviously White Ameticans mass murdering White Americans in broad daylight on video tape and there's White people on these message boards talking about, "These conspiracy theorists are a bunch of looneys." Sometimes I just wanta go shoot White people 'cause they are so fuckin' stupid.

umbra
You can tune to "The Power" on XM radio and here the afternoon host along with actorvist Dick Gregory make the case that Bush DID IT.

If Bush did it why are the same people attacking Condi Rice as a result of Bob Woodward's book?

They must think folks are stupid........Hey they might have a....
This is the NIST report on the World Trade Center collapse.

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf

I have done searches and listed all of the pages with the words steel, concrete, C (celsius), F (fahrenheit), tons, degrees, kip and ksi. I have already found things I consider oddly interesting.

On PDF page 117 they say the towers had "roughly 200,000 tons of steel" and mention this again on page 137. That doesn't seem a very precise specification to me. That could mean anywhere from 175,000 to 225,000. I would have thought they would want to be much more precise than that. In addition to that I can't find any mention of the weight of steel and/or concrete on the floors where the planes hit. How can you analyze the overall effect of the impact without having some idea of the distribution of mass in the building? There should be a table specifying the tons of steel and concrete on every floor. The mass and distribution of mass within the building is going to influence the effects of the impact.

But when you search on the word degree you find lots of details about orientation of the building and angles of the plane and it being banked at 25 +/- 2 degrees. And yet the word tons only appears in the report 8 times and nowhere is there a specification of the tons of concrete. They use the word concrete a great deal. See if you can find a specification of the quantity of concrete in each or both towers.

How do you accurately analyze and talk about the the effect of an airliner colliding with a steel and concrete structure without being exact about the amount and distribution of steel and concrete?

umbrarchist

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