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ER, before you get started on that Lipitor stuff, would you mind explaining exactly what you eat, and what you've been doing exactly? Not that it's any of our business, but my number was at 249 and I got it down pretty quickly without meds. Over the last week or so, what have you been eating? Some effective modifications have to be possible, without being difficult to do.

I'm just fed up with this damn pharmaceutical industry. So obviously, I'm not suggesting that I want my personal issues to get in the way of your health. But if the board can help in any way to get you back to normal without those $%@&!! statins, then we're here...

Like I said before, HonestBrother's total is so high, that I think even I would acquiesce to drugs at that point. But if Berry Burst Cheerios, oatmeal, a George Foreman grill, more turkey and more fish, omega 3, niacin, a vigilant read of the "nutrition information (with eyes on the "saturated fat" and "cholesterol" daily percentages) and SOME exercise could do for my cholesterol what the Gridiron Mandelas will do to the Ebony Kings next time we meet stck , then it can do it for yours as well, I would think... Confused without all the side effect risks...

And now, can you really taste the difference between regular mayo and fat free mayo??? With all the other stuff in the sandwich, can you really taste that???
See, that's what I'm talkin' about, Vox!! I don't want to take another drug, and I really don't think I'm that bad where I can't get it down to a reasonable point without it!

I cook for myself so there's not an overabundance of junk/fast foods and because of my high blood pressure (HBP) I already don't eat a lot of salt ... so snack foods like chips and stuff are off my diet anyway! And I don't have a sweet tooth, so I'm not a cookie or candy kinda person either! No ice cream. I will eat a pie, though! cabbage

But, I don't like veggies much, either. They're nasty. td6 I'm a meat and potatoes, girl! Smile I like T-bones and pork chops and gravy and mashed potatoes and bread!! I like hamburgers and hot links and tacos ... make that Mexican food, period!! tfro But, I don't eat a whole lot because I have to cook it. But I like good, down home, southern cookin'!

In the last month I've started to change my diet considerably ... I have the George Forman, I'm trying to do a better job of remembering to eat oatmeal or cereal for breakfast (problem with that is that I'm not used to eating breakfast at all ... ever! So, it's an adjustment), my family went to the Gulf and literally caught coolers full of fish so I've really got no more excuse not to eat more of it.

Now, about that exercise thing .... sck I know, I know, I know I need to exercise ... but, the ugly truth is that I just don't! And, yes, I know!! And, yeah, I will! Big Grin I need one of those exercise videos or Tai Bo or something. I think it would be easier if I had somebody doing them with me! Smile

And yes, fat-free everything tastes different! And I like my fat-laden mayo!! And if you're going to skim my cheese then just don't put it on my sandwich! Eek It's probably not so much that I eat a lot of bad stuff ... but I like the bad stuff I eat. And if it's not good, I don't want it.
My cholesterol is still pretty good. My sugars were the issue but I did make some adjustments to the diet and it seems to be working very well. I'm eating smaller protions and I'm drinking considerably more water than before. I also started using splenda in some drinks/dishes.

Now of course all the progress I have made will be ruined come this weekend but I promise to start anew 1st thing Monday......


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I'm not sure. I start on the Lipitor about a month ago. But, I slipped up and slept past the enrollment period for my insurance and now I have a wait 30 days to re-enroll and I have no more pills and I'm not paying Wal-Mart $110 dollars to refill my prescription. Eek

I go back to the doc and get it checked the day after I get my insurance back. She'll probably bitch. And I'll start all over.

In the meantime, I'm developing quite the taste for oatmeal and Cheerios! Smile
Last reading recently showed that mine is up to 194, and the LDL is at 110. Both numbers are within the "good" range, but they are definitely higher than I want them. I have slipped up and let some late night fast food creep back into the diet on occasion, but that'll be 'bout 'nuffa dat.

I have started taking the niacin supplements again. At one point, when I started this thread, the overall number was in the 160s, and the LDL was in the 90s.

I know I have nothing to worry about though. EbonyRose, try "Berry Burst Cheerios." The banana-and-strawberry one was the bomb when I was trying to lower the cholesterol. AND GET THE NIACIN SUPPLEMENTS.

And actually, as long as you're amenable-but-unable to take pharmaceuticals, try my secret weapon until you get your prescription back. The weapon was the herbal supplement policosanol. It actually mimics statins (which I didn't know at the time, or I would have thought twice about taking it), but during the 6 month period I took it, I went down from 208 or so all the way to the 160s.

The caveat is that it has to be the kind made from sugar cane, not the kind made from beeswax. The brand I bought was from Nature's Life, and it was actually called "Policosanol and Red yeast Rice."
http://www.vitaminlife.com/product-exec/PNAME/Policosan...3mg/product_id/46692

It , along with the niacin and everything you're supposed to be doing, will help.
Also ER

Do some research on the odorless garlic supplements like GARLIQUE. They don't have a smell. That and oatmeal helped my cholesterol go from 230 to 198.

ER
did u say veggies are nasty? stck

not if you experiment with them.
if you cook them right, you won't miss meat

I had to learn to drink water. I never drank it before until I realized the sugar in sodas and juices was packing the pounds on my thighs and boo-tay. I've started drinking water with lemon. Takes some getting used to, but I like it and now a soda leaves a strange taste on my tongue.

I'm no doctor, but I'm not fond of statins because of all the side effects and possible liver damage.

What good is lower cholesterol if your liver is shot?

Just listen to the disclaimers on commercials for lipitor and crestor----the disclaimer is longer than the commercial!

And your liver, which makes cholesterol, has to process these things.

In addition Garlic is harmless and relatively inexpensive. Give it a shot while youre waiting for your next open enrollment period.

Oh yeah!

and oatmeal.

It was hard switching from grits to oatmeal, but I've grown to like the stuff.

I'm gonna do some research on Vox's suggestion of polycosanol and niacin.

Anybody ever heard that an herbal supplement called "milk thistle" is good for the liver? anybody ever tried it?

ER- get ta googlin'
Milk thistle and NAC are good for liver health. Red Yeast Rice or statins for that matter need to be taken with CoQ10 and one of the above items to maintain good cardiovascular & liver health.

I use everything you all have mentioned except niacin - not because of cholesterol issues, but for general health. My values are always beyond excellent when I get tested though. Try Crystal Light with your water too.
Okay y'all ... I'm writing all this down! Big Grin

Vox .. I can't believe they have done this kind of thing to a Cheerio!! Strange ... but not too bad!! I like them! Smile

Also, my family says that with the weird way my body reacts to drugs and certain foods, that niacin might not be the best thing for me unless I was careful with the dosage and that I'm the type of person who it would probably make break out in a rash or something (we talked about it during the champagne punch so all I really remember was the "beware" warning! Smile)

So, I'm kinda scared of that, but I was thinking about maybe a vitamin or something with some niacin thrown in it might not be so bad for me?

negrospiritual ... Yes, I'm the veggie hater! 8 I'm sorry but they are nasty no matter what I do to them!! I can tell you what I like easier than what I don't: I like potatoes, green beans, spinich and I can digest a carrot or those little nasty green peas if they're mixed in with something like a stew! Some veggies my stomach just won't tolerate, like greens or broccoli! The rest is just ... yuck!

Now, I have been taking the odorless garlic pills regularly for about the last 3-4 months. And, I have no aversion to oatmeal ... but I just gotta learn to eat it without the creamy canned milk, I suppose! That probably makes it a bad thing! Razz And drinking water is something I have been fighting with forever!! Everyday I try to make myself become a water drinker ... I do good for several days, then I forget/slip, then I start up again and do good for a few more days ... but I will continue the fight with everyday being a new day to win!

ddouble ... I bought some Crystal Light because the girls at my job highly recommended it (they tried like hell to get me to drink water all the time, bless their hearts!) I liked the flavor part, but, it's made with sugar substitute or something and has an aftertaste! I'll still use it sometimes just for a change of pace, but I think I actually prefer plain water w/lemon in it or just ice cold. Smile

I'm going to investigate all the things you guys are telling me to do, though. I would love not to go back on the Lipitor and not have to take another pill! I really appreciate all the help! I'm gonna do my best to make this work! tfro
Hey 'Rose, what about red kidney beans? I heard they were useful too, back when I was researching for myself, and I even bought a can, but to this day I have never prepared them. I'm not the world's #1 beans fan, which was okay, since the other stuff I did worked! But if you like green beans, maybe that could also be worth a try?

Oh, and in case u don't know, the Berry Burst Cheerios are just plain Cheerios that have solid slices of dried banana and strawberries mixed in with them. I like to eat them without milk, by hand like a snack.
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Originally posted by Vox:
Hey 'Rose, what about red kidney beans? I heard they were useful too, back when I was researching for myself, and I even bought a can, but to this day I have never prepared them. I'm not the world's #1 beans fan, which was okay, since the other stuff I did worked! But if you like green beans, maybe that could also be worth a try?

Oh, and in case u don't know, the Berry Burst Cheerios are just plain Cheerios that have solid slices of dried banana and strawberries mixed in with them. I like to eat them without milk, by hand like a snack.


Oh, I love kidney beans!! appl In fact, I'm a big bean fan! Although I will eat them from a can, I usually boil my own. I also grow green beens and blackeyed peas in my spring garden! Smile

I'm not big on bananas, but I can't really taste them in the Cheerios! I used to eat the sugar-coated Wheat Thins as a snack like that! I forgot all about them. sck I think I'll do the same for the Cheerios, though! That's a great idea! tfro
Okay ... I've really blown it!! Frown Frown

I stopped doing all those good things that I'm supposed to do and my new test results on Friday showed that my newfound love of ice cream is apparently a really ... really bad no-no! nono

My cholesterol is now back up to 250!! Eek Eek

So, I'm returning to this thread to tell on myself/shame myself into getting back on track! Roll Eyes

I know .. I know ... assume the position: spank
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Originally posted by ddouble:
This wouldn't be a good time to point out that my cholesterol is 158, huh?

laugh

In all seriousness ER, just get back on track. Don't make me jump on a plane to Texas. spank


ER:

I think DDouble just "volunteered" to fly to Houston to have a come to Jesus training session with us. I really could swear that's what he said. We have witnesses. 1
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Good luck, Kweli4Real!! Smile

ATP ... I think he'd be coming to raise hell!!! Eek And I don't want no trouble! Big Grin

I think he brings whips and chairs when you haven't been doing the right thing! You been doing the right thing?? Confused Razz

You have a valid point.

DDouble, er . . . uh, you really don't want to come over here. It's hot, lots of bugs, bad air. Nah, you don't want to come over here. We'll be okay. 1
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Got my test results Drum Roll ....

138 appl(


Mannn .. is that score even possible in a living human being?? Confused Razz

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"Please come remove all of the junk food from my refrigerator, freezer, cabinets and/or pantry. Supervise a custom workout for me and create a meal plan. I will comply or pay you $1,000/month for your troubles."


Ummmm ... Even with too much Tequila in me, I'm sure I didn't say that! Big Grin And I don't think ATP drinks ... so I don't think she said that either!! laugh

Didya, girlfriend?? Eek And if so, take it back in a hurry!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Got my test results Drum Roll ....

138 appl

But my PSA, while still low has doubled over the last two years, and my C-Reactive Protein level is very high. Frown

Damn, I hate getting old. Frown

Way to go Kweli!

And just in case I'm not the only one needing to put the 138 in perspective . . . 1


http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=183

What Your Cholesterol Levels Mean

Your test report will show your cholesterol levels in milligrams per deciliter of blood (mg/dL). To determine how your cholesterol levels affect your risk of heart disease, your doctor will also take into account other risk factors such as age, family history, smoking and high blood pressure.

A complete fasting lipoprotein profile will show:

Your total blood (or serum) cholesterol level
Your HDL (good) cholesterol level
Your LDL (bad) cholesterol level
Your triglyceride level
Your Total Blood (or Serum) Cholesterol Level

Less than 200 mg/dL: Desirable
If your LDL, HDL and triglyceride levels are also at desirable levels and you have no other risk factors for heart disease, total blood cholesterol below 200 mg/dL puts you at relatively low risk of coronary heart disease. Even with a low risk, however, it's still smart to eat a heart-healthy diet, get regular physical activity and avoid tobacco smoke. Have your cholesterol levels checked every five years or as your doctor recommends.

200–239 mg/dL: Borderline-High Risk
If your total cholesterol falls between 200 and 239 mg/dL, your doctor will evaluate your levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol, HDL (good) cholesterol and triglycerides. It's possible to have borderline-high total cholesterol numbers with normal levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol balanced by high HDL (good) cholesterol. Work with your doctor to create a prevention and treatment plan that's right for you. Make lifestyle changes, including eating a heart-healty diet, getting regular physical activity and avoiding tobacco smoke. Depending on your LDL (bad) cholesterol levels and your other risk factors, you may also need medication. Ask your doctor how often you should have your cholesterol rechecked.

240 mg/dL and over: High Risk
People who have a total cholesterol level of 240 mg/dL or more typically have twice the risk of coronary heart disease as people whose cholesterol level is desirable (200 mg/dL). If your test didn't show your LDL cholesterol, HDL cholesterol and triglycerides, your doctor should order a fasting profile. Work with your doctor to create a prevention and treatment plan that's right for you. Whether or not you need cholesterol-regulating medication, make lifestyle changes, including eating a heart-healty diet, getting regular physical activity and avoiding tobacco smoke.

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Your HDL (Good) Cholesterol Level


With HDL (good) cholesterol, higher levels are better. Low HDL cholesterol (less than 40 mg/dL for men, less than 50 mg/dL for women) puts you at higher risk for heart disease. In the average man, HDL cholesterol levels range from 40 to 50 mg/dL. In the average woman, they range from 50 to 60 mg/dL. An HDL cholesterol of 60 mg/dL or higher gives some protection against heart disease.

Smoking, being overweight and being sedentary can all result in lower HDL cholesterol. To raise your HDL level, avoid tobacco smoke, maintain a healthy weight and get at least 30–60 minutes of physical activity more days than not.

People with high blood triglycerides usually also have lower HDL cholesterol and a higher risk of heart attack and stroke. Progesterone, anabolic steroids and male sex hormones (testosterone) also lower HDL cholesterol levels. Female sex hormones raise HDL cholesterol levels.

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Your LDL (Bad) Cholesterol Level

The lower your LDL cholesterol, the lower your risk of heart attack and stroke. In fact, it's a better gauge of risk than total blood cholesterol. In general, LDL levels fall into these categories:

LDL Cholesterol Levels

Less than 100 mg/dL

Optimal

100 to 129 mg/dL

Near Optimal/ Above Optimal

130 to 159 mg/dL

Borderline High

160 to 189 mg/dL

High

190 mg/dL and above

Very High

Your other risk factors for heart disease and stroke help determine what your LDL level should be, as well as the appropriate treatment for you. A healthy level for you may not be healthy for your friend or neighbor. Discuss your levels and your treatment options with your doctor to get the plan that works for you.

The Cholesterol Heart Profilers is a great starting point for learning about prevention and treatment options for your specific cholesterol levels. This free, confidential online service creates a personalized, printable report with the key information you need to fully understand your cholesterol levels, health risks and treatment options. You'll get a personalized cardiovascular disease risk profile, along with a summary of treatment options, potential side effects, success rates and a list of relevant medical journal articles and research studies, all summarized in plain English.

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Your Triglyceride Level

Triglyceride is a form of fat. People with high triglycerides often have a high total cholesterol level, including high LDL (bad) cholesterol and low HDL (good) cholesterol levels.

Your triglyceride level will fall into one of these categories:

Normal: less than 150 mg/dL
Borderline-High: 150–199 mg/dL
High: 200–499 mg/dL
Very High: 500 mg/dL
Many people have high triglyceride levels due to being overweight/obese, physical inactivity, cigarette smoking, excess alcohol consumption and/or a diet very high in carbohydrates (60 percent of more of calories). High triglycerides are a lifestyle-related risk factor; however, underlying diseases or genetic disorders can be the cause.

The main therapy to reduce triglyceride levels is to change your lifestyle. This means control your weight, eat a heart-healthy diet, get regular physical activity, avoid tobacco smoke, limit alcohol to one drink per day for women or two drinks per day for men, and limit beverages and foods with added sugars. Visit your healthcare provider to create a plan of action that will incorporate all these lifestyle changes. Sometimes, medication is needed in addition to a healthy diet and lifestyle.

A triglyceride level of 150 mg/dL or higher is one of the risk factors of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome increases the risk for heart disease and other disorders, including diabetes.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Got my test results Drum Roll ....

138 appl(


Mannn .. is that score even possible in a living human being?? Confused Razz

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"Please come remove all of the junk food from my refrigerator, freezer, cabinets and/or pantry. Supervise a custom workout for me and create a meal plan. I will comply or pay you $1,000/month for your troubles."


Ummmm ... Even with too much Tequila in me, I'm sure I didn't say that! Big Grin And I don't think ATP drinks ... so I don't think she said that either!! laugh

Didya, girlfriend?? Eek And if so, take it back in a hurry!! Big Grin

Giiirrrrlll, I don't know what he's talking about. I said no such thing. ek Hell, at $1k per month, I would already be about {tappity-tapppity} $3K in the hole.

And as far as drinking . . . I do partake. As a matter of fact, I'm sitting here under the dryer, sweating my butt off thinking I could really go for an cold beer. beer
quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Got my test results Drum Roll ....

138 appl

But my PSA, while still low has doubled over the last two years, and my C-Reactive Protein level is very high. Frown

Damn, I hate getting old. Frown



I am loving the 138 mg/dL total cholesterol.....but the PSA going up is probably a sign of benign prostatic hyperplasia or a sign of a mild prostate infection I am not sure about the CRP...any illness lately?
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a sign of a mild prostate infection I am not sure about the CRP...any illness lately?


Well ... from what WebMD, Google and about five other sites tell me ... This
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a sign of a mild prostate infection
Might explain the elevated CRP since it is a general test of inflammation.

I see my doctor tomorrow so if he's not worried ... I will get to asking him questions.

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