sunnubian,

Don't waste your time....they specialize in celebrating black failure and minimizing white failure......you know when they put those pictures of a white Jesus in our churches, many of us was convinced that the white man can do no wrong and that we are all evil...you know...like they taught us when we were slaves...that God is in the white man's image....thatis why these negroes live in deference to him....wow...the remnants of slavery live on.......
"Like I said earlier" by Kevin41

Your views, thoughts, etc., are meaningless, and inappropriate when one considers the reality of it. It is certain that the many victims, and/or survivors of this foolishness do not share your viewpoint, as it relates to placing the blame of many senseless deaths on Caucasians, when by and large the perpetrators are in fact other Black people!

The Reality of Ghettopoly in the Black Community, to Which Rush Limbaugh, nor Caucasian America are responsible for this foolishness. To say or even infer that Caucasians are senselessly blowing each others brains out, like that of the Black community is far from the reality of it.

It is certain that the victims and their surviving family members are not blaming Caucasians for this very deadly activity, perpetrated by Black people.


"Besieged by Violence, Family Grieves Again

By Cara Mia DiMassa

Times Staff Writer

October 12, 2003

For the family gathered at the small one-story home in South Los Angeles, the scene was far too familiar.

Outside, children rode bikes and played on their great-grandparents' porch, blissfully unaware. Inside, adults sat stony-faced, trying to comprehend how yet another member of their family could be snatched away by gun violence.

Letisha Stephens, 25, was driving on the Artesia Freeway in North Long Beach when passengers in another car opened fire on her black SUV and at least three other vehicles Saturday before 12:30 a.m. Police said one of the vehicles was the shooters' intended target.

Stephens, the mother of two girls, ages 3 and 6, was the only person wounded, according to police. Family members said doctors at Long Beach Memorial Medical Center told them that Stephens, shot in the head, was brain-dead. No arrests had been made as of late Saturday.

Already, Stephens' name was being added to a litany of relatives gunned down on Los Angeles-area streets. Her uncles, Tyrone and Jesse. Cousins Terrance, Corey, Ja'mee.

In all, said Charlotte Austin-Jordan, Stephens' aunt, 13 members of the extended family have been killed since the late 1970s.

At the family home Saturday, Shalon Allen, 27, Stephens' cousin, closed her eyes and shook her head, a napkin wet with tears wadded in her right hand.

"Not again," she cried. "Not again, not again."

Other family members described, from experience, the onslaught of emotions that will, inevitably, come next. They spoke of how to keep faith when there is no hope. They described the awkwardness the mother of a dead child often feels when she is asked how many children she has. They told Stephens' mother, Cheryl Allen, 42, about the pit of loneliness that will undoubtedly envelop her on holidays and birthdays.

Allen listened stoically to their advice. "I'm preparing myself for what's going to happen," she said. "I'm dealing with it. Day by day. That's all I can do."

But a few minutes later her demeanor changed. Tears welled up. Her head turned away. "It's a little too much for me now," she said softly.

Members of the family said they had scant information about the circumstances of the shooting. Stephens had been returning home with a female friend from a roller rink in Cerritos. That woman jumped into Stephens' lap and guided the car to a stop near the Atlantic Avenue offramp after the shooting, they said. And they said the woman had spent most of Saturday being questioned by police.

Cheryl Allen said that a man "” a family friend who had accompanied Stephens to the rink and lived near her in Los Angeles "” had also been shot at by the assailants. His pickup was pierced by 13 bullets, she said.

Long Beach police said they believe that the shooters were in a white SUV with chrome rims. Officer Jana Blair said they think other people witnessed the shootings and asked anyone with information to call homicide investigators at (562) 570-7244.

Austin-Jordan thinks her niece was an innocent victim of a random, horrible act.

"I just don't get it," she said. "I don't know what frame of mind, what mentality you can have to pull upside somebody and just open fire. Her children could have been in the car."

Austin-Jordan became an activist after her own daughter, Ja'mee, was killed in 1988. She lost a second child in 1996, and since then has spent much of her time helping young offenders and counseling families who have lost children to violence.

But Saturday she wondered whether those efforts were in vain. "Am I doing enough?" she asked. "Is it worth it? When is it going to stop? When are people going to realize what is going on in our community?"

Definitions straight from most any dictionary-

Genocidal: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.


Racism:

1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

2. racial prejudice or discrimination.

As reality would have it, genocidal surely fits. Since the victims, and the perpetrators are in fact Black people, the only racial prejudice that exists in this instance, is hatred or the practice of destructive racism by the community of Black America, itself!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 12, 2003 at 10:09 AM.]
It's obvious that PEOPLE don't give a crap what's happening in YOUR COMMUNITY. It is TIME for AFRICAN MEN in LOS ANGELES to get together and let these retarded, shooting, muthas know that they're not GOING TO TAKE IT ANY DAMN MORE. Since you're complaining all the damn time, why don't you do it????? Get some of the Smartest Muthas you know and get to steppin'!!!!! Organize all of them and take charge.

If this was happening in the European Communities, you know they'd have SOMETHIN'-SOMETHIN' for every AFRICAN in LOS ANGELES. Those jokas know how to B-A-R-B-E-Q-U-E!!! You all had better learn some cooking lessons from the pros. Tell those African, killin' males, the person they're shooting might be a relative. They know how we've all been separated throughout the Diaspora throughout the WORLD. They SHOULD NEVER RAISE THEIR HANDS TO FIRE ANYTHING AT ANYONE EVER. Either shake hands in love or keep on steppin'. Mr. Lofton, O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-E or please shut up!!! We all have enough problems of our own dealing with retardation of all kinds; African and European and all the damn colors in-between. By the way, there's only ONE RACE; HUMAN. It's COLORS folks have trouble dealing with. I say to that TOUGH CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! soapbox
"It's obvious that PEOPLE don't give a crap what's happening in YOUR COMMUNITY. It is TIME for AFRICAN MEN in LOS ANGELES to get together and let these retarded, shooting, muthas know that they're not GOING TO TAKE IT ANY DAMN MORE. Since you're complaining all the damn time, why don't you do it????? Get some of the Smartest Muthas you know and get to steppin'!!!!! Organize all of them and take charge.

If this was happening in the European Communities, you know they'd have SOMETHIN'-SOMETHIN' for every AFRICAN in LOS ANGELES. Those jokas know how to B-A-R-B-E-Q-U-E!!! You all had better learn some cooking lessons from the pros. Tell those African, killin' males, the person they're shooting might be a relative. They know how we've all been separated throughout the Diaspora throughout the WORLD. They SHOULD NEVER RAISE THEIR HANDS TO FIRE ANYTHING AT ANYONE EVER. Either shake hands in love or keep on steppin'. Mr. Lofton, O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-E or please shut up!!! We all have enough problems of our own dealing with retardation of all kinds; African and European and all the damn colors in-between. By the way, there's only ONE RACE; HUMAN. It's COLORS folks have trouble dealing with." by Norland

Well Norland, the above very calloused and inappropriate response is a reflection on you and not me. It is certain that the victims would not share your viewpoint. I'm not about to shut up. Seems to me someone else has lost their composure, and it is not......Michael Lofton

"You don't have any composure to lose. You've lost your African mind, plain and simple" by Norland

I'm not African, and neither are you! The only individuals who have lost their mind are the perpetrators, and in this case you!

Michael Lofton
Norland posted,

Either shake hands in love or keep on steppin'. Mr. Lofton, O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-E or please shut up!!!


Damn Norland,

Why in the hell I didn't thinkof saying that? I could have saved myself a lot of "talking" to that dude.......
"Either shake hands in love or keep on steppin'. Mr. Lofton, O-R-G-A-N-I-Z-E or please shut up!!!"

I don't have to lift a finger in the interest of organizing any movement to stop this senseless killing. Besides, numerous organizational efforts already exist, to which the rate of Black on Black killing has only accelerated. Plain and simple, Black people will either get with the program, or they will be fodder for the system, meaning prison inmates, guinea pigs for surgical experimentation, or become human fertilizer after their human remains decompose to dirt.

It is not my responsibility to direct the lives of anyone presumed to be an adult, and/or those who should know the difference between right and wrong.

One thing is certain, these individuals will end up in prison, and/or more Black people will be killed, killed either by police officers whose duty is to protect and serve, killed by those who exercise there U.S. Constitutional right to bear arms as a means of self defense, and/or killed by those of Black America who choose to be disgraceful.

Former New York Police Chief William Bratton, who heads the Los Angeles Police Department, in conjunction with the rank and file of the LAPD, intend to rid Los Angeles of this non-sense to make Los Angeles a world class city.

South Central Los Angeles is now considered to be an important piece of real estate by Hispanics, Caucasians,a few Black people, Koreans, a consortium of Real Estate Developers, etc., to which any misfit who has no respect for the property right of others will be removed from South Central Los Angeles, one way or another, be it through penal incarceration, human remains in a pine box, or killed by Los Angeles police officers, whose duty is to serve, defend, and protect the residents of the City of Los Angeles.

It would every Black man or woman who plans to ride this tide of success to abide by the law, or face the stiff consequences, as it pertains to still jail time and/or death. At the rate that Black on Black criminal activity has consumed Black life, few if any Black people will be a part of the re-gentrification process within South Central Los Angeles.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 12, 2003 at 06:47 PM.]
Lofton posted,

I don't have to lift a finger in the interest of organizing any movement to stop this senseless killing. Besides, numerous organizational efforts already exist, to which the rate of Black on Black killing has only accelerated. Plain and simple, Black people will either get with the program, or they will be fodder for the system, meaning prison inmates, guinea pigs for surgical experimentation, or become human fertilizer after their human remains decompose to dirt.


*** Not only do you not have to, just go ahead and admit you had no f-king intentions of doing so in the first place.

**Which once again tends to lend credence to the theory that you are either an antagonistic white or a self-hating negro who relishes in the misfortunes of black people and are glad they occur daily so you can do so.......


Take a good look at who you grew up to be Lofton and ask yourself.......what went wrong?
Kevin, this dude's from another planet. I'll bet he posts from some psycho ward; if not, he NEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSS to be committed, quick, fast and in a hurry!!! upset He's ROBOTIC. Spews the same hateful crap all the time. Must be a member of some cult or something. He sure can make one cuss up a bluestreak. I'd hate to meet him face-to-face. I'd really forget I was a woman and wouldn't care one iota. It would be OOONNNNNN! broscream
Well Norland,

"I'd hate to meet him face-to-face. I'd really forget I was a woman and wouldn't care one iota. It would be OOONNNNNN!" by Norland

Could of fooled me, I thought you were a sailor! The business owners of Ghettopoly need look no further than this message board to find supportive material in real life for the game. As for the comments of either you or Kevin41, I could care less as to what you think of me, because believe it or not, neither of you are an ingredient to my success.

The comments of a few individuals to the contrary will not change the fact that Black America's own elected leaders, preachers, and those who defend such sleaze are about as worthless as worthless can be!

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 12, 2003 at 11:00 PM.]
Ain't nothin' wrong with being a sailor. They're protecting your black/white/polka-dot butt right now. You need some of their "fire power" in Los Angeles evidentally, to keep those loose African cannons in check!!! You should try cussin', it's a great release, you robotic, angry sucka. Out of great respect to MBM, I haven't cussed at all. I use "sound-alikes". In person, you'd hear the real deal!! Loud and clear!!!! Stodgy Africans aren't cute to Norland. There's a whole bunch of nastiness under that pontificating persona folks of your kind try to exhude. I wasn't born yesterday, and I'm not ready for the nursing home just yet. You're not god-like to me and I don't give a hoot what you think of me either. Now, we're even!!! bs
As far as this GHETTOPOLY jazz goes, DON'T BUY IT is the motto all of us should follow. Who the heck is this Mr. CHANG?????? He's trying to make a buck. It's the AMERICAN way. Worry about that dag-gone WAR our kids are dying in. That's of UTMOST importance now. Puck Mr. Chang and his Ghettopoly!! How's dat????? fool
I don't start topics, but just read this on Mr. DAVID CHANG and his stupid GHETTOPOLY. After AA.org or alongside it, this is one of the best sites for Africans and should be mandatory for all every Thursday. It's very informative.

www.blackcommentator/59/59_guest_ghettopoly.html

Seems Mr. Chang has further "games" he wants Americans to play!!!!! We'd be damn fools to play 'em. fro
I swear, I think sometimes think that Kevin41 and Lofton are the same sycophantic person. I think both of you annoy one another so much because you are the mirror image of one another.

Both of you generalize everything to fit in your perception of reality of Black America and neither of you seem able to think outside of your own perspectives. Life isn't straight black and white, it is full of gray areas and both of you don't seem to be able to understand that.

Black people aren't the curse of American society that Mr. Lofton seems to need to paint us out to be, and we aren't the perpetual victims that Kevin41 seem to have to cling to either. I find both these narrow-minded perceptions extremely insulting. Black people are a lot more complex than either of you give us credit for, Both your ways of thinking feeds right into the liberal and conservative frame of minds your respective Caucasian masters have conditioned you for.

You both are perfect examples of why black people do not have more political power in this country. It's right there for the taking, yet we can't seem to grab it for holding down your brother. You are either doggedly left or far right and it makes it so easy for both parties to take you for granted because they don't have to think, much less act at all to win your political backing, and it's votes that they are after. NEITHER party really gives a shit about you or your particular perspectives. They only want your vote and until we as a whole stop being so simple in our thinking and learn to manipulate the SYSTEM to our benefit, it will always be this way.

Our forefather changed the philosophy of the Democratic Party because they desperately need our votes. We made the political parties change because it was clear they need us as much as we needed them. Why can't we do it again? Both these parties know that they have everlasting loyalty when it comes to their black voters and they only need to throw a bone your way every now and again to get your tail wagging and keep you content.

Willie Lynch may not have been a real person, but you both are the examples that the philosophy behind it certainly is, and it is still working to perfection.

And you wonder why a immigrant can come over here and make a fortune off our image AND the predictable response.

I have a headache.
you too.....

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
How can YOU call someone worthless? What is your basis for doing so? by Kevin41

Easily, and with good reason. Unlike you, I'm not pompous. I'm not going to make good anything that is truly rotten. Nor will there ever be the time that I will make excuses for such activity, as you would prefer to do. Anyone who defends the activity as described below, and/or similar activity that is very common place in the Black community, is worthless. More so than not, it is a known fact that many Black people do in fact idolize this foolishness. The number of people who give praise to this foolish exceed by leaps and bounds the number of people who condemn this very disgraceful and treasonous activity.

Apathy on the part of the Black community, specifically as applied to the Black middle class, make it easy for the Daryl Sweeneys, the Yvonne B. Burkes, the Lou Byrds, the Reverend Jesse Jacksons, the Kweisi Mfumes, the Reverend Murrays, the Congressman Walter Tuckers, The Carpetbagging Prostitute Seeking Kevin Murrays, the blatant Bafoons in Los Angeles City Councilman Nate Holdens, the Cocaine smoking Marian Barrys, etc., to exist. There is no mystery that these misfits from within our own community are in fact disgraceful. Such an existance is supported with the blessing of middle class Black America! This being said, those who fit the description are indeed worthless!

This is not to say that the Hispanics, and/or other ethnic groups do not have their own set of disgraceful individuals, because they do! However, by and large the Hispanics are more politically active, they will challenge the leadership who are proven to be criminal, unethical, etc. In comparison more times that not, those who are criminal and/or unethical are kept in office by the community of Black America itself. The few people, such as myself who would challenge this very disgraceful and treasonous type of activity, are not enough to overcome the many supporters in our own Black community, who would prefer to make heroes out of misfits!

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It would be very easy to come to the conclusion that an incompetent elected official, lawyer, judge, no good breaking up solid Black families for profit Black social workers, placing infants of probation no good Black probation officers, police officer, preacher and/or other influentual individual can do more harm than any gangmember, or gang set. While that small time criminal or gangmember may negatively impact the lives of a few individuals, an elected offical, preacher, lawyer can destroy the lives of many.

With the stroke of a pen, an elected official, lawyer, no good probation officer, no good social worker, and/or judge can take legally acquired property, disparage human life, etc., with far more ease, and at the same time attempt to make the act legitimate,....that is if those who witness such an act fail to challenge or contest such activity!

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"Mayor Accused of Giving Relative Sweet Tow Deal
Ex-supporters criticize Lynwood official for pact with father-in-law. The mayor says it's legal.

By Richard Marosi

Times Staff Writer

October 13, 2003

For years, Raul Varela was just another Lynwood tow truck driver circling the streets for sputtering cars. He owned three trucks, parked them outside his house and dispatched drivers from a room behind his garage.

Today, Raul's Towing Service boasts a 3,000-square-foot facility remodeled with city funds. Varela bills Lynwood as much as $500 for each towed car. And soon he may get to store the cars at a city yard.Varela's tow truck operation began hooking deals after Fernando Pedroza, his son-in-law, was elected in November 2001 to the City Council of this working-class city in southeast Los Angeles County. Pedroza, with his two then-allies on the council, gave Varela the exclusive rights to remove abandoned vehicles in the city, placing Pedroza's father-in-law in the driver's seat in the local tow truck wars. Previously, the city had not paid for such services.

The move was stunning, some say, even by Lynwood standards. In 2001, former Councilman Paul Richards, who was recalled in September, voted for a $1-million consulting contract for his sister. And council members have used their city-issued credit cards for expensive dinners, trips to beach resorts and other questionable purchases, triggering an investigation by the Los Angeles County district attorney's office.

Pedroza, during his campaign, promised to do away with family deal-making, vowing on videotape never to approve a contract benefiting his relatives.

The videotape is being used in a recall effort by some former Pedroza supporters who say the onetime plastics salesman betrayed them.

Pedroza, who became mayor in 2002, said he has not broken his promise. Legally speaking, his father-in-law is not a family member, he said. Conflict-of-interest laws prevent him from voting only on contracts for his wife or children, Pedroza said in an interview at his City Hall office.

"I have kept my promise. I said no sweetheart deals. I haven't had a family member receive a sweetheart deal," he said.

Varela did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Former supporters said they had thought Pedroza would clean up city government but now believe that he is practicing the same kind of nepotism that he criticized Richards for. Fathers-in-law, they said, are an integral part of a family, especially among Latinos. Pedroza didn't break the law, but he broke his promise, they maintained.

"He knows his father-in-law is family," said Joaquin Mesinas, a UPS driver and one of many Lynwood residents with roots in the Mexican state of Oaxaca. "I'm really disappointed in the guy. It just shows you what kind of a person Fernando is."

Mesinas and other former Pedroza supporters said the mayor is heavily influenced by Varela, who they said often accompanies the son-in-law to meetings with other politicians and community leaders.

Before his tow truck business became a success, Varela was better known as the president of United Families of Lynwood, a nonprofit organization providing various community services, including beautification projects, the distribution of low-flow toilets and yard work for senior citizens. Pedroza, who helps run the organization, drew much of his early political support from members.

But some former volunteers said they now believe that United Families was merely a vehicle for Pedroza's rise to political power, with Varela acting as orchestrator and beneficiary. They say the organization was used to raise Pedroza's profile and to cast him as a man of the community.

When Varela's son-in-law became mayor, "look how good" Varela's life became, said Miguel Figueroa, a former volunteer for United Families.

Pedroza denied that his father-in-law influences his affairs or that the nonprofit was a platform for the future mayor's political ambitions.

The organization, he said, has at least 20 volunteers and continues to provide services. "United Families helps seniors wholeheartedly," Pedroza said. "It does not get involved in politics. It involves people who want to donate their time to help seniors in need."

Varela first made a move for city business in 2001. He was still operating his tow truck company out of his house, with an eye toward expanding to a city-owned site on Wright Road, backing up to the Long Beach Freeway.

Varela's was not the only business that wanted the property. A construction company had offered $131,000 in a proposal that would not have cost the city any money, according to city documents. The firm, W.A. Rasic Construction, offered to buy the site, which included a run-down industrial building, as is.

Pedroza and his then-allies on the council "” Arturo Reyes and Ramon Rodriguez "” instead let Varela purchase the property for $195,000, giving him a $125,000, 3% city loan. The council also gave Varela a no-interest $70,000 loan to improve the building, according to documents. Varela does not have to repay the construction loan if he remains in business for five years.

During the meeting at which the deal was discussed, Pedroza said his vote would not constitute a conflict of interest because Varela was not a "blood" relative.

Nine months after approving the land deal, Pedroza and his council allies made Varela the city's exclusive tow service provider.

Until then, such cars had been disposed of by five other Lynwood tow operators whom the city did not have to pay. Varela, who pays Lynwood a franchise fee "” 20% of the amount he bills the city "” has netted $56,000 under the arrangement.

Tow truck industry experts said the setup is unusual, because tow truck companies usually get stuck with the cost of towing and disposing of abandoned vehicles. Rick Bays, president of the California Tow Truck Assn., said no other municipality that he is aware of pays a company to tow such cars. Usually the task is a condition of the permit for operating in the city.

"In 33 years, I've never heard of anyone with that kind of a sweetheart deal," said Bays of the Lynwood situation.

Pedroza has backed another measure that could help his father-in-law. Last month, he voted to expand the city's corporate yard, which will have room for a 66-vehicle tow yard.

City officials have not said whether Raul's Towing will use the site, and the expansion may now be shelved because a power shift on the five-member council has left Pedroza without a majority.

But critics say Pedroza still wants his father-in-law to have access to the site.

At a recent meeting, when Councilman Reyes tried to ask city officials if Raul's Towing would be using the new yard, Pedroza cut Reyes off, telling him he was "blabbering." Reyes and Rodriguez are no longer allies of Pedroza.

The mayor denied that the city would accommodate his father in-law's business. He said confiscated vehicles, not abandoned ones, would be stored at the tow yard.

His critics don't believe him and are gathering signatures to launch the recall drive. "He was supposed to be against corruption and nepotism, and he's doing the same thing "” even worse," said Eddy Hernandez, a construction worker and a leader of the recall effort."

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Indeed, Ghettopoly, Willie Lynch, or any other similar adjective, is alive and well in the Black community, namely because the Black middle class more so than the Black underclass promote this activity. The typical Black middle class choose to protect their friends, to play it safe, and in some instances to receive "Kick backs" and/or gratuities for themselves. Any exposure or any act to contest this activity would mean that the so-called Black middle class will have to take a stand to criminally indict, sue for damages, or expose disgraceful activity perpetrated by perhaps a family member, a relative, a close friend, a neighbor, etc.

It is an insult, and afront to the entire Black community for the majority of those who call themselves middle class, to support this very treasonous, perverted, and counter-productive activity.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 13, 2003 at 07:14 PM.]
You know Norland,

The Internet is a place for refuge for people like Lofton. I would love to meet a cat like him in person.....and i'm sure they exist.....but they are usually sheepish and cowardly in person, so you'd never know. I have worked with some self-hating blacks who castigated everything considered pro-black by blacks......after ripping them a new one.....they avoid a brother like the plague....I have even seen them turn the other way......so you can best believe, for every ounce of unsubstantiated nonsense I have to ingest here, I really make them pay in real life............
quote:
The business owners of Ghettopoly need look no further than this message board to find supportive material in real life for the game.
LOFTON, I'M GONNA ASK YOU NICELY TO EXPLAIN...

You're good at Linking and Quoting... So provide quotes of statements from post on "this message board" that reflect what's promoted in GHETTOPOLY.
Are you saying that there is a Ghetto mentality on this message board? Or are you generalizing and saying ALL Blacks are "ghetto"?

NAME the posters that support:
quote:
"Buying stolen properties, pimpin hoes, building crack houses and projects, paying protection fees and getting car jacked..."

Lofton... upset

fool
soapbox

Those are about the nicest things I can say about a COWARD like you. It's one thing to demonize people who hold a different ideological perspective than you but it's down right %$*@(@^@*(^$^@ to completely disrespect those who disagree with you by saying they are "real life" examples of Ghettopoly.

LOFTON... do yourself a favor and stop hiding behind the cloak that you are addressing things that are problematic and just say you are A COWARDLY, RACIST BASTARD!! (and your skin color doesn't matter, although I doubt you can be honest about that either.)
whatzgoingon,

I have always lead by example in terms of success and showing others how to do the same...as an educator I have helped many on the path to success also. I also devote money and encourage others to give payroll deductions to organizations such as UNCF like I have since around 1988. I am sure as an individual I have affected many in a positive way, so f-k your example of comparing me to Lofton who has probably never done shit for black people but spew hatred towards them......hell I know what I do for my race....and this guy says he doesn't have to life a finger to do jack-shit, yet rails on black people daily because it is easy and lazy in nature.....I resent you for even fixing your mouth to say some asinine bullshit like you just did. Okay, I have seen black people perform at the pinnacle of excellence..and I have seen them suffer the worse of social ills. And your reference to me being trapped with a middle class view is bullschit also......because what you fail to realize, I did not come from somewhere like this shallow azz place where substance is based on material possessions......I come from a place where black people do not hate each other and have a much less degree of social separation based on economics.....and as so far as me seeing blacks as being victims....how in the f-k could I have received a doctorate before 35 and do so? How in the f-k could I see blacks as victims when I have been around black people who are the epitome of achievement FOR ANY RACE........You really need to not speak on my behalf because you make a real azz out of yourself in the process....but just because I am successful, I'm not supposed to turn my back on black people and pretend like they do not have problems they face daily.....and if you would like me to, I can post daily social research from black academic journals so you can see everything I talk about is very substantiated from the standpoint of social occurrence and legislative intent.

And as so far as politics, I do not really give a f-k about left, right or center....because white people look out for each other period....and no matter what everyone calls or subdivide themselves into....they are all non-whites and are viewed and treated as such. I do not politicize social issues...I have a no-stance approach to them. I am for any political action that increases educational and economic opportunities for blacks. I also believe in any kind of policy that the black majority finds inclusive in nature. This support is given after distinct policy analysis is performed to determine if beneficial legislative outcomes exist. So before you try to assign me the simplistic azz mindset of some damn buffoon that runs off at the mouth.....you may need to review the history of my posts from JBHE and you'll see the kind of topics I am concerned with. And once again, unless someone is leading by example and providing time, money , effort and other resources....then they are just blowing hot smoke out of their azzes....and for the Negro who likes to take the counter-to-black-majority view without being able to explain their stance in terms of being beneficial to blacks generally across the board is a damn fool who will always have their dialogue limited to informal forums where credibility is not an issue......So in the future, instead of assigning me the mindset that allows YOU to assign YOURSELF the perception of me you would like to have, ask me directly. I'll be glad to tell you and anyone else how I see things......with justification for those very views....until then, keep my damn name out of your mouth because you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about...as you try to stick me in the file folder as some categorical Negro you THINK you have assessed correctly....
Kev,

YOU are the one who originally compared me to Lofton and other people you disagree with, with no basis at all except that I disagreed with your worldview, which is where I lost most of my respect for your opinions. It seems to you, if it doesn't sound the same, it must be counter-productive. Every one of your posts directed toward me have been full of generalizations and opinion laden rhetoric and you have not produced ONE fact in the entire dialogue, so don't ask of me what you are not willing to do yourself. Go back and read them if you don't believe me. Only simple minded people and people with agendas think one way. We know Lofton's agenda. What's yours?

And before you say it, I am surrounded by PhD's and many of them are as simple minded as the next person, which is part of the problem.

As far as you giving money to UNFC, so do lots of whites and corporations who don't give a f"”k about what really goes on in the community, so that doesn't impress me. How about showing your face in the community as a mentor or a big brother or volunteering or doing some proactive action to fix our community instead of throwing money at the problems or offering scholarships to middle class student with a solid foundation or those who were lucky enough to get out of the hood. Maybe setting a good example from a distance isn't enough. Get your hands dirty and TALK to these kids and you will see where I get my opinions on the psychology of black America. I for damned sure ain't relying on research journals, though these journals are helping me to understand the behavior a lot better.

But you would rather keep portraying blacks as victims who can't achieve because the mighty white people won't let us. Instead of trying to fix issues that are at the core of some of our problems ALONG with the racist element of this society, you want to look at racism as the SOLE cause of everything that is wrong within community. It seem the establishment, for all the ills in our community and are afraid of looking closely at our problems less you find out that what the whites said is true, black people are dumb and can't make it without the white man's support. I honestly believe this is what is in the bottom of the hearts of some of these liberal, oh it's not your fault, it's society's fault, it's the white man's fault, it's the media's fault, etc, etc. This drives me just as nuts as the black ultra conservatives like Lofton who believe that blacks are essentially worthless and have only achieved what we have because of white society, and they are exception to the rule. Neither of you really believe in us!

You are not helping the future generations by coddling them and excusing self responsibility to lift ourselves up. Our of our situation. What makes you think that after 400+ years whites are finally going to see the light and make right what was wrong? You are only making our problems a self-fulfilling prophecy. Since you got your PhD before you were 35, research theories called "Chosen Trauma "or "Learned Helplessness"or "Image Theory" Read them carefully, though I am sure you will twist them somehow to misinterpret it as me claiming that racism doesn't exists or some of your other totally baseless, opinion laden, simplistic black or white views of me, as you have done in previous posts.

I stand by everything I said about you and Lofton, as both of you have the same generalizing, narrow minded reaction to anything that doesn't fit into your system is disregarded and generalized. Oh, and mirror image means that your image is reflected only backwards. Think about it for a minute . . .

Since you seem very willing to throw out your educational credentials, I am a Master's Degree student at 25 who will graduate in Conflict Analysis and Resolution May and will have either a PhD in the same field or Public Policy or a JD (more likely) or possibly a PhD and a JD well before I am 30. So it is not like I don't have tons of research on the psychology, sociology, economics, anthropology, cultural studies, etc. of numerous groups under my belt. This is why I told you in earlier post that it was okay if you didn't understand my plan now, because you would soon. And I am not posturing; I am simply letting you know that I am far from, as you phrased it, "blowing hot smoke out of (my) azz."


And if I am indeed the "Negro who likes to take the counter-to-black-majority view without being able to explain their stance in terms of being beneficial to blacks generally across the board is a damn fool who will always have their dialogue limited to informal forums where credibility is not an issue," you are right. I have no definitive plan as to what black need to do to move on, but I'm working at it. But I will ask you, what data can you produce to explain why the black middle class is expanding, but why is it that the black (poor) seem to be getting poorer, health care, education, crime, single parent households, drug use, etc seem to be getting worse in the black community as the black middle class gets richer? Is that a product of this "plan" is working so well for us black folks?

Or is the goal just to get a bigger, richer black middle class?
Well Nmaginate,

You're good at Linking and Quoting... So provide quotes of statements from post on "this message board" that reflect what's promoted in GHETTOPOLY.

Are you saying that there is a Ghetto mentality on this message board? Or are you generalizing and saying ALL Blacks are "ghetto"? by Nmaginate

Anyone who would defend the likes of the many true misfits, in Black America's own no good elected officials, preachers of sleaze, the many snake oil saleman, etc., in our own community would definitely fit right in there with Ghettopoly, and/or any sequels thereof. If this fits you, then you can answer your own question!

As for the rest of your comments I could care less as to what you think of me. Should anyone of you choose to challenge me I have yet to run from a fight. This being said, you can under estimate me if you so choose, but I'm not about to kiss up, bow down, say "Uncle", etc., to anyone be it Black, Caucasian, Korean, Kevin41, ricardomath, Norland, you, or anyone else!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

"Buying stolen properties, pimpin hoes, building crack houses and projects, paying protection fees and getting car jacked,....and if you throw in the Black middle class....breaking up the Black family for profit no good Black social workers...no good Black foster parents, Black probation officers placing minors including infants on probation, carpetbagging game playing sleazy using false pretenses to hold elected office Black elected officials, and/or last but not least the so-called educated Black middle class bend over backwards to support this foolishness. No need to fabricate this, because this information is very real.

Heck, let the sequels to Ghettopoly roll, because the Ghetto mentality goes beyond the gang members, pimps, prostitutes, etc. Believe it or not, some of the so-called university educated of Black America, are "educated fools", which is the worst in anything criminal. Some of the gangmembers, small time criminals, petty boosters, would be considered as saints when standing side by side, with this truly criminal educated class of Black America.

I've already proven myself. Fist fighting will not resolve this problem, because this disgraceful activity is well entrenched in the habits of many of the Black middle class and not the Black underclass. This being said I will not waste any more of my valuable time with this merry-go-round, with the likes of Nmaginate, Kevin41, Norland, or any other detractor.

Yo Crip, Yo Crippette, Yo Blood, Yo Bloodette, I hope this message reaches you, because many of you who have been in the system can relate to what I'm referring to. The so-called Black middleclass, especially as it applies to the misfit set, would prefer to blame all the criminal acts that occur within the inner-city on the underclass, the gang community, etc.

Nothing can be farther from the truth. The biggest thieves, criminals, etc., wear business attire. In many instances, when it comes to common sense, some of these individuals in spite of possessing a university degree, prove through their own disgraceful actions, that in real life they must be Baffoons! To think that Ghettopoly is referring to just the underclass, and cannot be applied to those of Black America who hold that university degree, but whose actions are truly criminal, is about as unrealistic, as unrealistic can get!

Speaking of Getting the Picture, the so-called educated class better get busy, because more so than the underclass this is a reflection on their inability to:

A. Obey the law.

B. Be ethical and responsible.

B. Be moral.

C. Do under others as you would expect them to do under you.

D. Respect the lawful rights of others.

E. Prove that they have any ethnic sense, as opposed to exhibiting the height of treason, and/or diarrhea of the mouth when it comes to making excuses for their own criminal and unethical wrongdoing!

No need for me to be any plainer than this, because I'm definitely making headway with this message!

"As always, YOU fly off at the MOUTH and say SCHIT you can't back-up! And I'll say it again, in case you missed it... ANYTIME YOU WANT TO STEP." by Nmaginate

Seems to me, the Nmaginates, the Kevin41s, the Norlands, need to check their own habit of flying off at the mouth, and/or making statements that they cannot backup!

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 13, 2003 at 09:45 PM.]
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You're good at Linking and Quoting... So provide quotes of statements from post on "this message board" that reflect what's promoted in GHETTOPOLY.

Are you saying that there is a Ghetto mentality on this message board? Or are you generalizing and saying ALL Blacks are "ghetto"?

NAME the posters that supports:

"Buying stolen properties, pimpin hoes, building crack houses and projects, paying protection fees and getting car jacked..."


Maybe if I ask you twice you will answer the [bold] question DIRECTLY!

As for your "fight" invitation... Bring It On!
Don't Talk About It! Be About It!

Maybe you can get Chang to put that in his next game. Or maybe... the "My heart don't pump no Kool-Aid!" or lines like that.

Anyway... I think you get the picture.

As always, YOU fly off at the MOUTH and say SCHIT you can't back-up! And I'll say it again, in case you missed it... ANYTIME YOU WANT TO STEP!
whatzgoingon,


Where in the f-k do you keep getting at the point where I see blacks as victims? puleeze tell me. quit saying that stupid schit when i keep eluding to black excellence DESPITE racism, not because it doesn't exist. Is it because I acknowledge the reality that many blacks face despite my own damn success? hell i was an EE by the age of 22 and went places blacks or whites could only dream of and have worked with technologies 15 yrs ago that still haven't come to frutition outside of the R&D arena. Guess what? My application still said AA candidate....not due to my lack of qualifications....but because of this racist azz country would fade a brother based on his complexion ALONE.....and by the way, I was in a Masters program by the age of 23....so i'm not impressed by nothing....not even myself....really not myself or anyone else, black or white...matter of fact i'm going back one day because I still haven't been challenged..and by the way..the UNCF schools are the black schools without money that does help poor kids and even those who need remedial bridge courses because their high schools did not adequately prepare them for college. and in case you did not grasp the concept...the growing middle class matriculates from the poor.....like I said earlier...i know PhD's whose parents were sharecroppers...the epitome of social progress....and as so far as the explanation of the growing middle class...read JBHE and read the quantitative data that demonstrates this fact. Look at the economic indicators of the late 80's thru 2000. You are an academic so it will not take you long to see where I am coming from. And as so far as comparing you to lofton, I mentioned that in the sense that you emulated his behavior: you told me about myself without refuting my points...stay off of the personal aspects of the discussion and damn what I do in terms of those who disagree with me...tell me why the things Ipost themselves lack merit and I can deal with it....but I doubt if that is going to happen........because as much as i emphasize education, you saying that i feel racism is the SOLE cause of anything is bullshit......go back and read my posts as you told me to....where have I ever said that racism was the exclusive cause of anything.......read my posts about the lack of educational attainment or the bling bling ,mentality that makes us screw our priorities up where emphasis on material bullschit is placed above investment in ourselves. Don't speak on my behalf the way you WANT to see things as being a part of my philosophy. I can speak on my own behalf....so unless you extract my direct post as what I say or think.....you are just participating in biased speculation...plain and simple.......so I do not have a problem with anyone in here...but when you refute me, stick to the topic and use my exact words...not YOUR version of what I said...and i'm kool with it....because if you are anyone else can tell me how I think is BS....i am willing to scratch it and adopt what you explain to me..........
Wow, whatzgoingon, I have been reading your posts througout and have much respect for you. Though, I am a "conservative", I do not think blacks are worthless, but I am not going to sugar coat the real problems facing the black community for expediency.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about the "professor". He has done to me exactly what he has done to you. We go back to the TBWT days where he was much more hostile and intolerant. I wish it was still around because I would prove it by providing a link.

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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
And before you say it, I am surrounded by PhD's and many of them are as simple minded as the next person, which is part of the problem.


Yes, just because one has a PhD does not mean that one has common sense. This individual is always telling us what his credentials are from his education to his career. This is all well and good, but does not have anything to do with this board or the discussion at hand.

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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
But you would rather keep portraying blacks as victims who can't achieve because the mighty white people won't let us. Instead of trying to fix issues that are at the core of some of our problems ALONG with the racist element of this society, you want to look at racism as the SOLE cause of everything that is wrong within community. It seem the establishment, for all the ills in our community and are afraid of looking closely at our problems less you find out that what the whites said is true, black people are dumb and can't make it without the white man's support. I honestly believe this is what is in the bottom of the hearts of some of these liberal, oh it's not your fault, it's society's fault, it's the white man's fault, it's the media's fault, etc, etc. This drives me just as nuts as the black ultra conservatives like Lofton who believe that blacks are essentially worthless and have only achieved what we have because of white society, and they are exception to the rule. Neither of you really believe in us!


This is what I have been saying all along. These types have an excuse for everything that's wrong instead of looking where the problem actually lies. If this is the case then the problem will never be solved. The first step for an person with a substance abuse problem, be it alcohol or drugs, to address their problem is to admit they have one. If you cannot admit to having a problem, it will never be soleved. I really do not think Mr. Lofton is anti-black. I think he is frustrated from dealing with put down artists like Kevin41, et al. JMO, Mr. Lofton can speak very well for himself.

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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
YOU are the one who originally compared me to Lofton and other people you disagree with, with no basis at all except that I disagreed with your worldview, which is where I lost most of my respect for your opinions. It seems to you, if it doesn't sound the same, it must be counter-productive. Every one of your posts directed toward me have been full of generalizations and opinion laden rhetoric and you have not produced ONE fact in the entire dialogue, so don't ask of me what you are not willing to do yourself. Go back and read them if you don't believe me.


Yes, again you are exhibiting the same frustrations that I've had with this person. He is a master at twisting what you post, deliberately mis-interpreting your opinions, ah yes, of course the personal attacks, and un-substantiated allegations......When I asked him to produce substantiation he once told me to go find it myself!!! Usually he would come back with personal attacks, putdowns, all sorts of things he could not prove even if he wanted to. But the thing that's always amazed me about him is what he is a master of, he accuses others of doing.......

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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
though I am sure you will twist them somehow to misinterpret it as me claiming that racism doesn't exists or some of your other totally baseless, opinion laden, simplistic black or white views of me, as you have done in previous posts.

LOL!!! Gee Kev, a lot of people pick up on your tactics!!! LOL!!! Where's TBWT when you need it!!!! Oh yes, he used to blatantly lie and get caught!!! Thanks, Kev!!!


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Originally posted by Kevin41:
but when you refute me, stick to the topic and use my exact words...not YOUR version of what I said...


I am actually Laughing Out Loud reading this. This man is a professional victim if I have ever seen one for sure!!!! My first encounter with him on TBWT he came out with personal attacks, insults, etc, I thought at first it was a joke, it turned out this is his style!! I mean, it got so bad for him, he even wished harm on my family!!!!

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
i know PhD's whose parents were sharecroppers...the epitome of social progress....


And yes, so do I, and they did this over 100 years ago without any assistance from the government you so love (that's the epitome of social progress!!!). They did it on their own accord, as I'm sure the people you know did. I am boldong this so you will not be able to twist what I just stated.

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I can speak on my own behalf....so unless you extract my direct post as what I say or think.....you are just participating in biased speculation...plain and simple.......so I do not have a problem with anyone in here...

People like myself have always done this with you. Remember on TBWT, I did this, ramses357 (remember him???) did this?? It pissed you off, I'm sure you don't remember. Put you said that the basic style of debating was a "biitch tactic". So "there you go again". Suggesting that someone go to a style of debating which you couldn't stand before. You simply amaze me!!!!
But, Kev, don't you always participate in biased speculation?? Even when it was suggested that you extract exactly what was posted?? But you never did that. It was much easier for you to twist, speculate, insult, put down, "I have a PhD, I'm so smart, you just a self hating azz who needs to be educated, etc, etc, etc" You get the point, I'm sure!!! I can see, Kev, you haven't changed one iota!!!

Now this a kicker!!!! LOL!!!!!

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
you told me about myself without refuting my points...stay off of the personal aspects of the discussion and damn what I do in terms of those who disagree with me...



whatz, you did a superb job in refuting his points and you did not get personal. You were merely responding to the personal attacks he leveled on you, and you were very professional about it. Kudos to you for it and being just 25!!! Maybe the 40 something "professor" can learn a thing or two from you!!! AHHHHH, what am I saying, he has a PhD, he knows everything. He couldn't possibly learn anything from people he sees that he's above!!! He is the most pompous, arrogant person I have encountered on any internet forum!! It's a wonder that he holds Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton in such high regard....he's just like them!!!!

Continue you objective posts on this forum. I know you will not agree with a lot of my views, that's ok. But I wanted to tell you that you are a much needed breath of fresh air on the board!!!!!

You will go very far in life, keep up the EXCELLENT WORK!!!!!

thumbsup

[This message was edited by IndependentMan on October 13, 2003 at 09:36 PM.]
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
LOFTON, I'M GONNA ASK YOU NICELY TO EXPLAIN..._

NAME the posters that support:
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"Buying stolen properties, pimpin hoes, building crack houses and projects, paying protection fees and getting car jacked..."




Umm... Actually, I have to confess. It's me that Lofton is talking about. I support pimpin' hoes. Lofton should know; I've had his ass out there turning tricks for me for the past few years. As long as he gives me my damn money, we have no problems!

(Why do I suspect this post is gonna end up being quoted on one of those conservative sites?)
Well Vox,

"Umm... Actually, I have to confess. It's me that Lofton is talking about. I support pimpin' hoes. Lofton should know; I've had his ass out there turning tricks for me for the past few years. As long as he gives me my damn money, we have no problems!" by Vox

"Buying stolen properties, pimpin hoes, building crack houses and projects, paying protection fees and getting car jacked,....and if you throw in the Black middle class....breaking up the Black family for profit no good Black social workers...no good Black foster parents, Black probation officers placing minors including infants on probation, carpetbagging game playing sleazy using false pretenses to hold elected office Black elected officials, and/or last but not least the so-called educated Black middle class bend over backwards to support this foolishness. No need to fabricate this, because this information is very real." by Lofton

I like the second version more, because it is more in tune with reality!

I don't have to go there, meaning PW, the American Republicans, etc., because most everything here is already being seen elsewhere. You did it all by yourself, which does not include my input. This being said, perhaps you are one of the few who puts himself out on the "Stroll"! Did you get your money yet?

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
LOFTON.... Get your azz back on that corner and make that money for you Big White Pimp!

You know you're known for that 2-for-1 special!

Well BLOW me down!
rotflmao

I always knew you had a Lil' Bee-otch in you! Big Grin
Well Nmaginate,

"LOFTON.... Get your azz back on that corner and make that money for you Big White Pimp!

You know you're known for that 2-for-1 special!

Well BLOW me down!"

The only community or group of individuals being pimped or hustled daily is in fact the Black community. The Black community is the most economically deprived, unrepresented and/or misrepresented community there is. This being said the brunt of the joke, which is actually no joke, and/or the anger should not be directed at Michael Lofton, but rather those from within our community who promote this. .....And guess who the pimps are, Black America's own no good sleazy preachers, poverty pimping game playing elected officials, etc.

As usual this does not upset you, Kevin41, Norland, etc., because evidently, each of you condone it! Must be a "Hell" of a nightmare to know that in real life you are being pimped daily by Black people, and not Caucasian America.

Or perhaps you are not angry as of yet, because reality has not hit you where it hurts, meaning the unwarranted loss of your assets, the loss of a family member for profit by the greedy, being illegally incarcerated, petitioning any gaming playing Black elected official for redress...yet all petitions for redress fall on deaf ears.

But wait, according to your belief, which is truly a misnomer, Ghettopoly only applies to the underclass, meaning gangmembers, whinos, pimps, the poverty stricken, whores, welfare recipients, carjackers, to the curb drug addicts, felons, prison inmates, Bubba the Booty Bandit's sexual partner, rapists, child molesters, etc.!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 13, 2003 at 11:39 PM.]
Independent Man posted in the process of jocking someone else and not providing his own independent thoughts:

Wow, whatzgoingon, I have been reading your posts througout and have much respect for you. Though, I am a "conservative", I do not think blacks are worthless, but I am not going to sugar coat the real problems facing the black community for expediency.

**No one does MOM.....you and your type like to take the dialogue that people use and twist it for your own weak azz argument. Learn to refute people using their original dialogue and not some convoluted bullshit that is indicative of YOUR interpretation.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about the "professor". He has done to me exactly what he has done to you. We go back to the TBWT days where he was much more hostile and intolerant. I wish it was still around because I would prove it by providing a link.

*Yeah i was more hostile in terms of how expressive I was of my resentment of black conservatives (house negroes)...until I learned that they are forever in awe of white people and can not be rehabilitated.....i'm kool now....i just feel sorry for ya'll.......


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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
And before you say it, I am surrounded by PhD's and many of them are as simple minded as the next person, which is part of the problem.

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Yes, just because one has a PhD does not mean that one has common sense. This individual is always telling us what his credentials are from his education to his career. This is all well and good, but does not have anything to do with this board or the discussion at hand.

***Yeah, that is what people who do not have the balls to put in the work say to discredit those who have put in waaay more work. That is crystal clear to see through. Common sense is what tells you to get a Ph.D. in the first place.......


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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
But you would rather keep portraying blacks as victims who can't achieve because the mighty white people won't let us. Instead of trying to fix issues that are at the core of some of our problems ALONG with the racist element of this society, you want to look at racism as the SOLE cause of everything that is wrong within community. It seem the establishment, for all the ills in our community and are afraid of looking closely at our problems less you find out that what the whites said is true, black people are dumb and can't make it without the white man's support. I honestly believe this is what is in the bottom of the hearts of some of these liberal, oh it's not your fault, it's society's fault, it's the white man's fault, it's the media's fault, etc, etc. This drives me just as nuts as the black ultra conservatives like Lofton who believe that blacks are essentially worthless and have only achieved what we have because of white society, and they are exception to the rule. Neither of you really believe in us!

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This is what I have been saying all along. These types have an excuse for everything that's wrong instead of looking where the problem actually lies. If this is the case then the problem will never be solved. The first step for an person with a substance abuse problem, be it alcohol or drugs, to address their problem is to admit they have one. If you cannot admit to having a problem, it will never be soleved. I really do not think Mr. Lofton is anti-black. I think he is frustrated from dealing with put down artists like Kevin41, et al. JMO, Mr. Lofton can speak very well for himself.

**Tell me where I used racism as an excuse EXCLSIVELY like you people like to portray....and tell me that you were able to overlook all the volumes I have written in regards to blacks attaining education and learning normal socialization of children as a basis for changing social conditions....you people are a trip in terms of what you choose to overlook.....find where in the f-k i eluded to racism as the sole problem of black people.....show your own damn comprehension skills in terms of what point you saw that in my posts....

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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
YOU are the one who originally compared me to Lofton and other people you disagree with, with no basis at all except that I disagreed with your worldview, which is where I lost most of my respect for your opinions. It seems to you, if it doesn't sound the same, it must be counter-productive. Every one of your posts directed toward me have been full of generalizations and opinion laden rhetoric and you have not produced ONE fact in the entire dialogue, so don't ask of me what you are not willing to do yourself. Go back and read them if you don't believe me.

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Yes, again you are exhibiting the same frustrations that I've had with this person. He is a master at twisting what you post, deliberately mis-interpreting your opinions, ah yes, of course the personal attacks, and un-substantiated allegations......When I asked him to produce substantiation he once told me to go find it myself!!! Usually he would come back with personal attacks, putdowns, all sorts of things he could not prove even if he wanted to. But the thing that's always amazed me about him is what he is a master of, he accuses others of doing.......

*** Like I explained earlier....disagree with what you like but substantiate it.....do not come in here with vague rhetoric and think it will supercede facts..............and if you think your post is being twisted, learn to articulate more clearly and you may not have that problem......


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Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
though I am sure you will twist them somehow to misinterpret it as me claiming that racism doesn't exists or some of your other totally baseless, opinion laden, simplistic black or white views of me, as you have done in previous posts.
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LOL!!! Gee Kev, a lot of people pick up on your tactics!!! LOL!!! Where's TBWT when you need it!!!! Oh yes, he used to blatantly lie and get caught!!! Thanks, Kev!!!


***** Save the orgasm dude and read my post that rebutted such nonsense.....You people imply on other's behalf....I make direct statements and if they are not repeated verbatum, then it is just some shit YOU said..........


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Originally posted by Kevin41:
but when you refute me, stick to the topic and use my exact words...not YOUR version of what I said...

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I am actually Laughing Out Loud reading this. This man is a professional victim if I have ever seen one for sure!!!! My first encounter with him on TBWT he came out with personal attacks, insults, etc, I thought at first it was a joke, it turned out this is his style!! I mean, it got so bad for him, he even wished harm on my family!!!!


**Let me ask you MOM, what in my life as I have described it makes YOU think i'm a victim or what is it I have said about my travels,accomplishments and upbringing is indicative of someone who was victimized? Do not get that confused with efforts of those who intended to victimize me but did not succeed. Please answer specifically where I indicated that........

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
i know PhD's whose parents were sharecroppers...the epitome of social progress....

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And yes, so do I, and they did this over 100 years ago without any assistance from the government you so love (that's the epitome of social progress!!!). They did it on their own accord, as I'm sure the people you know did. I am boldong this so you will not be able to twist what I just stated.


*** Yes but did they do it as widespread as in the time where EQUAL opportunity was ATTEMPTED....or do you think blacks are supposed to have to acheive under the burden of jim crow to get theirs like they had to 100 years ago? Are you saying that should be the natural operating environment for black people?(jim crow conditions).....are black people actually SUPPOSED to have a burden of being black....or do you think they did not back then?.........please answer specifically

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I can speak on my own behalf....so unless you extract my direct post as what I say or think.....you are just participating in biased speculation...plain and simple.......so I do not have a problem with anyone in here...
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People like myself have always done this with you. Remember on TBWT, I did this, ramses357 (remember him???) did this?? It pissed you off, I'm sure you don't remember. Put you said that the basic style of debating was a "biitch tactic". So "there you go again". Suggesting that someone go to a style of debating which you couldn't stand before. You simply amaze me!!!!


***No I said men using sarcastic azz female language to avoid facts was bitch-like in nature...and it still is....even though lots of black men wear earrings bigger than their girl's...........and have normalized allot of female tendacies based on the fact that they being brought up by females.......and never learn what a man is like in their developmental years........i understand their behavior.....they do not know what it is to be totally masculine in their demeanor.....



But, Kev, don't you always participate in biased speculation?? Even when it was suggested that you extract exactly what was posted?? But you never did that. It was much easier for you to twist, speculate, insult, put down, "I have a PhD, I'm so smart, you just a self hating azz who needs to be educated, etc, etc, etc" You get the point, I'm sure!!! I can see, Kev, you haven't changed one iota!!!

***No MOM (Independent Man).....you dismissed the works of reknown black academics as partisan BS....remember the JBHE timeline about the conservative (just like you claim you are) efforts to end affirmative action...and the resultant drops in black college enrollment.......that you dismissed as biased nonsense....oh how we forget.....I gave you a factual graphic and you looked the other way....what a black man!!!!! And a PhD. doesn't mean the world, but you just have to tell that to self-hating black people who think all blacks have limited comprehension skills like the stereotypes white promote and they worship......you have to give them a point of reference to overcome their inherent black inadequacy......trust me.......


Now this a kicker!!!! LOL!!!!!


***No THAT was the kicker I mentioned above.................


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Originally posted by Kevin41:
you told me about myself without refuting my points...stay off of the personal aspects of the discussion and damn what I do in terms of those who disagree with me...

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whatz, you did a superb job in refuting his points and you did not get personal. You were merely responding to the personal attacks he leveled on you, and you were very professional about it. Kudos to you for it and being just 25!!! Maybe the 40 something "professor" can learn a thing or two from you!!! AHHHHH, what am I saying, he has a PhD, he knows everything. He couldn't possibly learn anything from people he sees that he's above!!! He is the most pompous, arrogant person I have encountered on any internet forum!! It's a wonder that he holds Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton in such high regard....he's just like them!!!!

***naw bro....all he did was gibe HIS opinions......and I don't know everything...unlike you MOM, i've learned how little I do know...but still allot compare to others who think they do....but I still need to continue my education....formally and informally.......like the rest of the race does.......and those were not personal attacks....just a request of him to explain why he finds the facts soooo wrong......

Continue you objective posts on this forum. I know you will not agree with a lot of my views, that's ok. But I wanted to tell you that you are a much needed breath of fresh air on the board!!!!!

You will go very far in life, keep up the EXCELLENT WORK!!!!!

*** I agree, the brother will probably go far...but that has nothing to do with right now......and the issues that we are discussing..........hell, black conservatives ( the real azz lickers) go far also....by working against the best interest of their own race....is that something to be proud of? Ward thinks so......

MOM (Independent Man), i'm glad you are back in action......but in light of the raised unemployment level of blacks and YOUR president filing a brief for a policy that i can clearly demonstrate as limiting black educational opportunity...and a war that was unjust and uncalled for and a country that is in a state of shambles.....do you still sing the praise of old white conservative racists that successfully limited the lives of your parents and mine via jim crow? Can you actually finally explain how conservatism is good for black folks?........I hope so for your sake bro..................
Independent Man posted,


I am actually Laughing Out Loud reading this. This man is a professional victim if I have ever seen one for sure!!!! My first encounter with him on TBWT he came out with personal attacks, insults, etc, I thought at first it was a joke, it turned out this is his style!! I mean, it got so bad for him, he even wished harm on my family!!!!

*** Yeah...remember where you wanted to find out what college I worked at and wanted to forward my posts like a biitch...and when me and another brother told you guys end up missing for that kinda schit, you then went into the victim mode and eluded to calling the police? Wow....all that for a post in a forum....what a brave man.... Big Grin
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Originally posted by Lofton:

I don't have to go there, meaning PW, the American Republicans, etc., because most everything here is already being seen elsewhere. You did it all by yourself, which does not include my input.


Uh...Lofton,

I've seen no indication that anybody from P&P follows your links over here to see what you are trying to show people, except for me and ocaisionaly VDiamond.

As for everythingblack.com, the post of yours that I responded to there is one that you made just today. Except for that post, you haven't posted there since June. You only have 4 threads there in all, I believe.

But don't worry, Lofton. I'm still supporting the recall at P&P, and I'm still going to vote for you as Governor of P&P.

Just keep making those links, Lofton!

One Big Forum!!!
Support the recall!!!
Vote Lofton 2004 for Governor of P&P!!!
A Man of Vision!!! The Man With the Plan!!!
Make P&P the Portal to the World Wide Forum (WWF)!!!



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quote:
But wait, according to your belief, which is truly a misnomer, Ghettopoly only applies to the underclass, meaning gangmembers, whinos, pimps, the poverty stricken, whores, welfare recipients, carjackers, to the curb drug addicts, felons, prison inmates, Bubba the Booty Bandit's sexual partner, rapists, child molesters, etc.!

LOFTY! Tell me why those gud White folks are crying about their "American" jobs being taken by American companies taking "their" jobs overseas?

Now, tell me who's being PIMPED!

Tell me who is being PIMPED when those gud White folks happily march to war for their Flag and Country and only the Elite and well connected reap the benefits of No-Bid contracts while them poor patriotic gud White folks' sons die for a war concocted with false pretenses...

Ahh... the National Debt!! Who's being PIMPED!? Universal Health care! Who's being PIMPED!?

Anyway... YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF ANSWERING SIMPLE QUESTIONS...

Tell me how any member here or rather how you know any of us don't:
A. Obey the law.

What laws do you know any of us have broken? How do you know how "moral" we are? How many of us do you know personally to make such judgements?

And what the HELL is this about?
C. Do under others as you would expect them to do under you.

UNTO??? Was that what you meant to say or are you on some other trip?

ACCORDING TO MY BELIEF...
You don't know how I regard Ghettopoly and who I think it applies to.

Sorry... LOFTY!!
I'm not into generalizations like that so I don't and wouldn't be assigning any behaviors as indicative of the Black "underclass", "middle-class" or whatever.

Just be a man and say you are RACIST and think ALL Black people engage in self-destructive behaviors quit trying to act like you're making a serious intellectual point.

BTW... What class are you in? You claim to be Black! So isn't your ass in a class that's authentically Ghettopoly Fabulous?

LOFTON is GHETTO!! LOFTON IS GHETTO!! Big Grin
I knew that's why you felt so comfortable on that corner in them high-heels with them fish-nets on! winkgrin
LOFTON POSTED,

Ghettopoly only applies to the underclass, meaning gangmembers, whinos, pimps, the poverty stricken, whores, welfare recipients, carjackers, to the curb drug addicts, felons, prison inmates, Bubba the Booty Bandit's sexual partner, rapists, child molesters, etc.!



***So Lofton, the poverty stricken and welfare recipients are lumped in as a undesirable sector of society huh? They have a stigma based on their unfortunate situations according to you...man what the f-k is your problem?....hell someone in your family may have needed aid before or was poverty stricken....you really sound like a punk azz white racist fool at this point......
Well Kevin41,

....I see you haven't missed a beat, with your pompous, profane, how did you make it to being a university professor,....who more than likely teaches at Southwest J.C. Be truthful for once, there is not a reader on this board or any other board who would hold it against you for admitting that you are not that highly rated professor that you profess to be.

MOM cased it right, you are pompous, arrogant, Dr. do Little discombobulated fake wouldn't have you teaching my canine how to roll over on his back, excuse for a professor.

As for welfare, even in poverty, homeless, etc., nobody in my family has ever been interested in welfare, because more so than not, the greedy instead of the needy get assisted.

Slim chance that anyone in poverty would be living in the suburbia, without a heavy dose of welfare subsistance. This being said, there is more of a chance that such an individual would live in the Ghetto. This is not to say, that any such individual is criminal, because prosperity is not guaranteed to anyone. Ghettopoly covers a lot of territory, meaning it is a game based on life in the Ghetto! Maybe this is the problem the so-called Black middle class are ashamed of where they came from, so much so that they refuse to invest in improving the quality of life in the hood. Heck, if the Irish, the Jews, the Hispanics, etc., can turn a Ghetto into an affluent community Black people can too. Heck, East Los Angeles used to be that barrio through, and through, but look at it now, and the visitor would be highly impressed. Black people, including the Black middle just choose to trash their own community. This being the mindset, slim chance exists that Black people will ever move forward as opposed to taking huge steps backwards.

Even at the point of starvation there is absolutely nothing that any social welfare program can do for me, except make a bad situation worse! Heck, to qualify one must sell his or her soul for funds that won't make ends meet.

A married woman can have any other male, but she must get rid of her husband to quality for welfare benefits. This reality most surely proves that Social Welfare is indeed a part of Ghettopoly.

...as for Nmaginate, sounds to me like you have a guilty conscience. So you are in essence saying on you own accord that you are a real to life example of Ghettopoly!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 14, 2003 at 09:47 PM.]
Kev,

Your quote: "Where in the f-k do you keep getting at the point where I see blacks as victims?"

My quote: "Since you got your PhD before you were 35, research theories called "Chosen Trauma "or "Learned Helplessness "or "Image Theory" Read them carefully, though I am sure you will twist them somehow to misinterpret it as me claiming that racism doesn't exists or some of your other totally baseless, opinion laden, simplistic black or white views of me, as you have done in previous posts."

Since you want facts and can't seem to understand why I keep saying that you are trying to turn the black community into perpetual victims please read again what I posted last time and follow directions. That is, unless you really want to continue this pointless bickering and don't really want to learn something that may alter your perceptions. I will take time our to go home and get my books and give you titles, authors, theories and journals where you can read about these theories but since you got your PhD before you were 35 and are an academic, I didn't think it would be such a problem in obtaining this info. I must warn you though, most of the theories don't use the black community as their primary example, so you may have to think objectively and creatively to make it make sense with out community's issues, but I assume because you got a PhD at 35, you should be able to handle it. Then again . . .

Lets start with this, because addressing the other stuff you posts and going back and linking your posts that highlight your behavior towards others and me takes up too much space an getting off topic. I will get to it a little later.

You know Kev, many people have disagreed with me on this board, but it is only you and one other poster that has disrespected me with your unsubstantiated, broad, generalizing comments, and this is why you keep getting it with both barrels.

Let's not forget how this latest back and forth between us got started:

Your quote: "what the hell makes you think blacks are so simple that f-king entertainers are heroes?"

I'm still waiting for the facts to back up this stupid ass comment. Did you say it because you meant it or because you saw my handle and wanted to cause some trouble? And I'm supposed to think you are an authority on what's going in the black community?

Do some reading so you and get some of those facts you say you want and get back to me.
LOFTON...

You are a REAL-TO-LIFE LOSER!!!

You're NOT intelligent! You're psychoatic! You're a weirdo! You're a chump who can't back up a word you say!

You're a broken record!

You a real to life walking POSTER BOY for the American Psychological Society's "Mental Disorders of the 21st Century"!!

You a freakin' JOKE! Maybe one day someone with some intelligence and no deep-seated racist, insecure animous against Black people will validate you. Lord knows that the whole point of you dragging AA.org into almost every conversation you have on other websites.

You want someone to say he Lofton,
"You're good enough..." Big Grin
"You're smart enough..." Big Grin Big Grin
"And, DAMMIT, people like you!" broscream
bs
(you know none of that is true! lol But keep on saying to yourself... maybe you eventually feel good about yourself.)

Now LOFTON...
Don't go out and commit any hate crimes because "you're being picked on"! You have never backed away from a fight... Yeah, we know!! You punk ass always took off RUNNING straight forward.

Why did you make Carl Lewis jealous? (Punk ass!)

You keep acting like my grade school classmate that said he was a "Black Russian" - aka Crusher Kruchev-Diddy! - during the Reagan years when he thought there was going to be certain NUKE-KLEE-URR war and wanted to side with the Big Bad "Evil Empire"...

You freakin' bum! Take yourself back to LOSERS-R-US.com where the padded rooms are custom made! Eek

Mann... LOFTY, you are too entertaining. I hope you win the P&P recall! Will Gary Coleman or A. Huffington be your running (emphasis on RUNNING) mate! Big Grin

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