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I was looking at the board game created by one of the new members, Our Empowerment, and was impressed by its well thought out concept and presentation. It looks like something you would want to play with your family and friends.

On the other hand... I received an email from a friend this week about another board game, created by a young Chinese entreprenor and was shocked and disgusted.

(I can't seem to get the hang of posting a link here! Frown)
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Originally posted by isistah:
I was looking at the board game created by one of the new members, Our Empowerment, and was impressed by its well thought out concept and presentation. It looks like something you would want to play with your family and friends.

On the other hand... I received an email from a friend this week about another board game, created by a young Chinese entreprenor and was shocked and disgusted.

(I can't seem to get the hang of posting a link here! Frown)

First of all, allow me to thank you again for the love that you express in your welcome to me in the Nubie area.

I too got an email today speaking about gettopoly, except my attention was more drawn to the fact that a national retailer (Urban Outfitters) would stock the game.

What's interesting to note is that for the most part, the overwelming majority of Blacks see no humor in it at all.

In fact, on a White radio station discussion board apparently one of the listeners who was also a disscussion board member, won a gettopoly game, she was appeared happy to win but not so happy with her prize.

One of the other posters, when asked if he would buy the game, retorted "... buy it, hell no I'm a steal one!" hahahaha

NPR did a story on it, it didn't favor the publisher either, they had a very hard time trying to be 'balanced' in their reporting.

So apparently many Whites are embarassed by and at this too.

Although I don't know how his sales are doing, I can tell you by the look of the game, unless he has an uncle in the game printing business, he spent a pretty penny producing it.
Words from another site, I think is fitting for this thread.

From: Healer2K Oct-5 2:19 pm
To: KIND_uh_SHOOK unread (2 of 27)

55495.2 in reply to 55495.1

Thank you so much for posting about this outrage! Chicago's NBC5 news played part of an audio-recorded interview with the game's creator David T. Chang of Philadelphia. He said something to the effect that the game wasn't meant to offend anyone and that its harmless, "After all... its just a game." What it is, is CASH MONEY in this punk's pocket, making money by promoting stereotypes of different races of people. But he spits in the face of Black people worst of all, by having a racist caricature of a Black person on the cover of the game.

If the game is harmless, and is meant to make fun of stereotypes of numerous racial groups, why didn't David Chang A TAIWANESE IMMIGRANT put a racist caricature of a Chinese person eating rice on the cover? I wrote to him asking him that, but he never replied. His email address was on the Ghettopoly website just a couple of days ago, but I see he's removed it since then. Maybe because of my email? Not sure. Anyway... it was

When you write your letters of complaint to the "customercare" address, CC: it to the "davidchang" address as well.

I am sure that David T. Chang can go to a Klan website and find gookopoly or chinkopoly. I am sure people of Asian descent would be offended by such a game, although no one would hear any protest of outrage about it; all the other minorities leave that to us and after social change has come about because of all the outrage and hell that black people in this country have raised, then the other minorities step in or step up to a place that has been made by others.
Originally posted by whatzgoingon:
has the NAACP become a strictly reactive organization instead of the proactive organization they once were?

Or is this just my "warped" outlook on African American affairs?

I don't think your outlook is warped at all. Looking at that game, I wondered just what exactly constitutes a hate crime.
Originally posted by isistah: ... Looking at that game, I wondered just what exactly constitutes a hate crime.

Tomorrow there is going to be a protest at Urban Outfitters' (I called them and they told me about the protest,) headquarters.

In my opinion, in keeping with your message as quoted above, the hate crime committed by Gettopoly and their accomplice should pay a dear price, most specifically,

For Urban Outfitters:

1) Appologize nationally (perhaps that will happen tomorrow)

2) Create a scholorship fund ($1 million) to promote excellence in urban (aka getto).

3) Fire every single person that was responsible for procuring the game, marketing the game, and selling the game. Someone along the line should have said something prior to it reaching the display.

As for gettopoly,

He should write a book on "The Evils of Racism" and give one to every person that he sold the game to.

Then sell the book and give all of the sales proceeds to his local "Urban League"!!


... its time for Prosperity

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This came from a florida news paper in response to NAACP rally call to action.


Mark Morris, a spokesman for Hasbro Inc., the company that owns Monopoly, said it sent Chang a cease and desist letter in June. Chang has not responded to the company, Morris said.

Hasbro has the right to sue Chang for the damage it caused to its '...opoly' name,[apparently they have a monopoly on opoly in the game biz Smile].

Futhermore, if Chang is somewhat connected to Hasbro, even if they use the same printer, there appears to be some form of collusion, association, defacto permission, if you will.

That is why I have contacted Hasbro and asked them to file suit against Gettopoly forthwith.

All Hasbro, Inc. Products
Stacey Roberts
Hasbro, Inc

Since Chang thinks this is all satire, fun and games, let him play with 'Legal Touble' a version of Touble (the board game) that involves fools getting busted because they failed to think before they act.
What makes a crime be considered as a hate crime?
The FBI defines a hate crime (aka bias crime) to be "a criminal offense committed against a person, property or society which is motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientatio, or ethnicity/national origin." 1 Thus:
If a thug beats up a randomly selected victim, the assault would not be considered a hate crime.
If a person assaults a friend or acquaintance out of anger, the assault would not be a hate crime.
If a thug beats up a victim who is a stranger and was selected because of their race, it would be a hate crime.
If a person delivers a hate speech denigrating all Jews, or Afro-Americans, or gays, then this would not be considered a hate crime anywhere in the United States, because no criminal act has occurred. Hate speech is protected under the First Amendment.
However, existing federal legislation does not recognize as hate crimes those criminal acts which specifically target women, the disabled and homosexuals.
Official definitions of hate crimes:
Typical hate crime laws criminalize the use of force, or the threat of force, against a person because they are a member of a specific, protected group. 2 Four definitions of the term "hate crime" are:
Hate Crimes Statistics Act (1990): "crimes that manifest evidence of prejudice based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, including where appropriate the crimes of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, aggravated assault, simple assault, intimidation, arson, and destruction, damage or vandalism of property." ( Public Law 101-275)
Bureau of Justice Administration (BJA; 1997): "hate crimes--or bias-motivated crimes--are defined as offenses motivated by hatred against a victim based on his or her race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or national origin."
Anti-Defamation League (ADL): A hate crime is "any crime committed because of the victim's actual or perceived race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender [male or female] or sexual orientation." 3
National Education Association (NEA): "Hate crimes and violent acts are defined as offenses motivated by hatred against a victim based on his or her beliefs or mental or physical characteristics, including race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation." 4
The word "perceived" is important, because many vicious assaults are based in error on the incorrect belief that the victim is Jewish, gay, or a member of some other group that the perpetrator hates.
Traditional hate crime legislation protects persons because of "his race, color, religion or national origin," as in the case of the 1969 federal hate crimes law. (18 U.S.C. Section 245). Most state laws now include additional protected groups. Some laws are restrictive and only protect a member of a group if she/he is involved in specific activities. For example, the current (1969) federal law only applies if the crime happens when a person is attending a public school or is at work or participating in one of four other "federally protected activities."

Existing state and federal hate crime laws:
The ADL reports (as of 2001-SEP-21) that: Seven states have no hate crime law (Arkansas, Hawaii, Indiana, Kansas, New Mexico, South Carolina, and Wyoming) 12
Twenty states have laws that do not include sexual orientation as a protected group (AL, AR, CO, GA, ID, MD, MI, MS, MO, MT, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, SD, TX, UT, VA, WV) 13
Twenty-four states and the District of Columbia have laws that do protect people on the basis of their sexual orientation. (AZ, CA, CT, DC, DE, FL, IL, IA, KY, LA, ME, MA, MN, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NY, OR, RI, TN, VT, WA, WI) 13

On 2000-JUL-4, Kentucky became the latest state to have hate crime bill signed into law which protects persons of all sexual orientations.
The 1969 federal hate crime law: Covers race, color, religion and national origin only.
Does not include sexual orientation, gender or disability status.
Only applies if the victim of a crime is engaged in one of six federally protected activities.
Originally posted by obvious_1:
This may be a case of any publicity is good publicity. Since the media got involved sales of ghettopoly has increase drastically. It is reported that if you want a copy there is now a long waiting list. Frown

The waiting list only implies that there were alot of sales, I pressed them (Urban Outfitters) a few different ways for sales figures, they refused to give them.

When they said they took them off the display floor and are not ordering any more, does that sound like they returned games to the publisher or like they sold each and every last one?

If you go to the gettopoly web site, they say sold out, but yet they don't tell you how many sold, clearly if you struck success you want to tell how much of a success it was (like Mc Donalds).

I've read a number of articles that were written on the game, initially Chang was very happy to get interviewed, later he became very defensive, now he grants no interviews. I believe the defensive attitude was because sales were cold and the heat was on his racist behind.

Let's be pratical if you put out a product, regardless of how much people hate it, if your primary motivation was money and if you are making money, would you stop selling it?

I believe Gettopoly is out of business (for many reasons,) and I believe Chang has a lot of unsold games on his hands, furthermore I believe he is in a whole load of trouble which might cost him far more than any income he may have gotten from his sales.

Could you image what his parents are going through in the neighborhood, at their family buiness.

As for the waiting list my guess is many on the list are people that just want to make sure that as soon as the game is stocked again the protest is back on, they don't intend on actually purchasing the game, the game cost $32. that's not playdough. Smile
Originally posted by sunnubian:
What makes a crime be considered as a hate crime?
The FBI defines a hate crime ....

Those are their type of hate crimes; and therefore their responsility to prosecute.

However, I believe the type of hate crime experienced in the mass marketing of Gettopoly by Urban Outfitters in America is a hate crime perpetrated on Blacks that must be prosecuted by Blacks.

African Americans need not have anyone validate what we know and feel is an affront against us.
If they organizations are so outraged, why do these groups and people mobilize now, and not protest entertainers like 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, or whoever else.

Why do our "leaders" get defensive when an "outsider" reenforces these stereotypes, but sit by and let our own get away with it? Where do you think this immigrant got most of these ideas about what "ghetto" is? All you have to do is turn on the TV and watch the latest video.

We willingly export this representation of our community through the music and entertainment throughout the world. We get all hot and bothered when someone from the outside tries to cash in on these images, but we seem to turn a blind eye to when it is done within the community.

In fact, I feel that these actions by our "heroes" and "idols" do more damage to enforcing stereotypes within OUR community than influencing outsiders because our black youth (and the not so young) get the idea mostly from PEERS and not the white media that this is what being a black American is about. This is partly why it is so hard for our children with the talent to make it sometimes cannot due to enormous peer pressure imposed on these young impressionable minds that to reject these images means you are not down (i.e. you don't act the part, so you must want to be white, etc).

That's enough ranting for me today.
Kevin41, we usually agree on most issues, but your last post, "What the hell makes you think blacks are so simple that f-king entertainers are heros?", we part company.

While it does not apply to all Black folk, or maybe even most, but just about everything our youth wear is first seen on videos. The type of vehicles they aspire to drive, along with the accouterments, it straight from songs and videos. Heck, the postures and "culture of hardness" are from the entertainment industry. It's sad, but true.

If you ask any school age child to name his/her heroes, a large percentage will name athletes or other entertainers, not for their contributions to the community, but for their ability to entertain.

Again, while most of us are far more thinking and/or aware, a significant portion of our community identify our heroes based on what the media shows us.

BTW, and a big BTW, this is not exclusive to the Black community, White young are similarly influenced.

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