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So because I point out something that others might have found offensive then I am a hip hop hater? Okay if I pointed out that I can name rappers who have used the terms cracker and honky in their raps what would you say to that Nmaginate and Vox? I guess these arent meant to be racial slurs right?

Oh a rapper named Ras Kass used the term chinky eyed to describe himself in the magazine XXL June issue 2003. So you still doubt that some black rappers could have used the term? Nmaginate you keep on asking whats the point. I thought someone as smart as you would get the point but then again you are someone who cant seem to tell the difference between a page and a whole book.
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Okay if I pointed out that I can name rappers who have used the terms cracker and honky in their raps what would you say to that Nmaginate and Vox? I guess these arent meant to be racial slurs right?


Maverick,

I'll stop short of calling you the appropriate name... but VOX was on your side on this!!!!!!!!

Learn how to read to comprehend!

I can't help if damn near every time you say something you're half-cocked.
"IF I could..." That's just it with you "IF".

What the hell is your problem?
Who has said that rappers haven't used racial slurs? WHO?

Just because I asked you to verify what the hell you say when you have a track record of coming up short on facts... DON'T GET MAD AT ME! BOOK/PAGE... you have repeatedly shown you inability to READ!

Again, VOX stated an opinion that was similar to yours. But in your haste you aSSumed that he opposed you.
rotflmao rotflmao
No more words to describe that! Big Grin
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Originally posted by maverick:
Next time maybe you shouldnt make assumptions about someone you dont know. You assumed I just took David Chang's word as truth without verifying it. You accuse me and others of making assumptions but you do exactly the same thing. Talk about being hypocritical. Check yourself before you check others.

LEARN TO READ TO COMPREHEND
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Do you believe everything someone tells you?
You make it sound like David Chang is an honorable man... "he's just misunderstood", huh? Maverick?

Click over onto the GHETTOPOLY website and see if you see anyone else "in the ghetto" besides Black people (caricatures)...

Do you own or have you seen the game for yourself?
If not you can testify to the truth of it but the whole promotion makes Ghetto synonomous with Black. I know you're not gonna pretend like you can't see that?

And people really need to stop trying to include MUSIC & COMEDY into the equation when few have anything to say about the MOVIES... NO ASIANS complained about RUSH HOUR... I don't see him referring to that as an example like the "chinky eyed" thing.

And yes, if he or you are going to repeat that it should be attributed to its source. Which rapper said it and/or what song?

MAVERICK,

Where do you see the assumption? When did I say that I doubt if a Rapper ever used derogatory terms. I simply asked you to for an exact source. And, Maverick, you will very seldom see me REPEATING what somebody else say without linking to a source article or some source relative to the topic. Saves the guess work...

Now, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ASKED YOU TO VERIFY YOUR CLAIMS?

If you're gonna come here claiming something be able to say ON THE SPOT what the SOURCE is. No one should have to ask you for it. Now, especially when you come here talkinbout, "He has some good points..." on a controversial subject you better be able to prove what you say when you say it.

You can best believe that whenever you have something half-baked and come off half-cocked I'll have something to say.

Talk about VERIFICATION...
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Good point on the ghettopoly term but couldnt one use a less obvious offensive title than chinkopoly?

It seems like you missed that one, huh?
"Chang makes some good points... He said Ghetto, not Blackopoly..."

Why was that one so hard for you to "verify" on your own?
(And please tell me if the other races that are supposedly depicted in the game are portrayed as negatively as the Black ones. I would be interested - since you apparently are - in knowing the absolute truth on that one.)

And NO! I don't think ChinkOpoly is good. But I can help but wonder why that is an issue here.

[1] No one here used it.

[2] The "link" or QUOTE (how about that a quote!) that it came from used it in the context of "How would you like it if..." inwhich the intent is to help Chang, in this case, to see how offensive Ghettopoly is to Blacks by being confronted with things he may be sensitive to.

[3] Now if you say "Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right" then I'll have to ask you again, basically, WHY ARE YOU SAYING CHANG HAS SOME GOOD POINTS (in essence saying he has good reason to do as he has...) if he too is responding, supposedly, to negative/stereotypical references made about Asians in Hip-Hop?
Is he not committing the 2nd Wrong to Hip-Hops first? If you can see his "good points" how come you can't see the Chinkopoly's author's good ones?

It seems to me that you ALWAYS are soooooo willing to believe the worst about Black people and you are apparently less critical of others so much so that you bought that Ghettopoly Not Blackopoly crap Hook, Line and Sinker!

So forgive me if I'm not trying to here that crap and have it paraded as TRUTH!

1, 2, CHECKA! Microphone CHECKA! fro
MAVERICK?!?!?! What's the problem? I was siding with you! How could you have misread that?? On the "chinky-eyed" point, I agreed with you 100%, so I don't get it.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
[QUOTE] I was under the impression that he was Puerto Rican and perhaps Asian (mixed)...

VOX,
I would exactly want to know what the point is here. Perhaps you can tell me?


The point of pointing out his ethnicity was to counter whatever point you may have been implying by asking. The point of my input into the whole "chinky-eyed" sub-issue is just to make sure I'm representing what I think is the correct way to look at the issue. I feel Chang is right to complain about the "chinky-eyed" references in hip hip. But like I said in the same post, it really doesn't change the outrage we should correctly feel about Ghettopoly. I just don't like to disagree with correct points just because they come out of the mouth of a jackass like Chang. I'm not the type of guy who's like, "Rappers use racial slurs?! No they don't! Therefore, there's no justification for Ghettopoly." I'm the guy who's like, "You're right, they use racial slurs, BUT that doesn't provide a justification for Ghettopoly." The closer your position is to being totally correct, the more unassailable it is. That's my only point. I don't know what Mav's point is.
Gentlemen, your arguments are wonderful, however I must remind you to take some additionl action to purge us of the germ of Ghettopoly.

If you have not already done so, may I suggest that you communicate your opinions with one or more of the following:

On line petition (link listed in this thread). Sign and forward link.
Urban Outfitters, although they said they will no longer stock the game, its time for them to make a donation to 'The Urban League' as a form of penence.
Hasbro, they must be encouraged to sue Change for the rights infringement. The Cease and Desist order is not enough.
Yahoo, and Ebay to disclose the amount of games sold on their sites.
University of Rochester, to make a statement that they deplor what one of their graduates have created (Ghettopoly).
New York City council, letter of thanks for their public condemnation of the game, by the Black and Asian City councilmen.
NAACP, for their ceaseless efforts to put an end to derogatory images about Blacks.
Congressional Black Caucus, to make a statment on the matter.
About.com, to the sponsors of the 'game boards forum', telling them to divest their funding from the improper promotion of Ghettopoly.

As you could see there are many things that you could do in addition to the participation in the argument herein.
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Originally posted by maverick:
Please dont misunderstand Our Emp and Vox. I never said I approved of Ghettopoly and I never will approve of it.


don't worry about me, I'm in favor of freedom of speech, even david chang's speech, however I also believe we have the right to speak out too.

The most important thing about this exercise is, many of our people are learning crtical skills that could be refashioned and reused to help us to defeat other matter of greater or lessor importance.

It's all about empowerment, that why we must take actual action, not just talk. Although talk has it's place.
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HELLO PEOPLE. I'M DAVID CHANG FOUNDER OF GHETTOPLY. I am a Tawanese immigrant being an American since age 8. I graduated from the University of Rochester with a dual degree in Economics and Psychology!

I think Niggers take themselves too seriously! Chinese are hardworking peoples and Niggers come to America thinking they should get a free ride. Hell even the Spics work harder than Niggers and everyone knows Spics are lazy.

There is a reason the Asian population is the preferred Minority to the White peoples. We work harder then Niggers and Spics. Jamacains works hard, but they is stinky and smoke dope all day long.

I'm glad all of my White friends understand that NIggers just need to laugh a little after they wake up from their dope stupor.

Lighten up is a good phrase...

They keep mentioning slavery, okay Nigger, let me Ax you a question? How long ago was slavery??? My father operated a stereotypical Chinese Restaurant in New York. Yes he's a dumb chink, but my generation is blessed to have good relations with the White man.

Look at the Jews in Europe...they were ignorant and got their azzes gassed....but their children in America are doing better because they is not too dumb and they control the media.

Get a life, and get the game!!!

Much Love bro, PEACE!

David

Posted by DAVID CHANG YES ITS ME! at October 9, 2003 09:59 AM
The link

I don't believe that is him, but that is what he has brought out. that is precisely why action must be taken.
Hey Nmaginate I really dont give a damn about what you want to hear and I am not interested in getting into a debate with your self righteous ass. Tell you what why dont you go to the ? column and antagonise Sarge or Sheba and jerk off while you are at it as usual. You obviously have nothing better to do.

You are such a phony. Do you suffer from a racial Napolean complex? You talk about how it kills you that blacks ignore white insults but cant take it when other minorities do the same but here is your punk ass bitching about Ghettopoly. Mr the KKK doesnt bother me but a board game does? What kind of a self righteous twat are you?

Ps: If and after you respond to this please dont forget to wipe the cum off your keyboard you sick freak.
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Originally posted by maverick:
Hey Nmaginate I really dont give a damn about what you want to hear and I am not interested in getting into a debate with your self righteous ass. Tell you what why dont you go to the ? column and antagonise Sarge or Sheba and jerk off while you are at it as usual. You obviously have nothing better to do.

You are such a phony. Do you suffer from a racial Napolean complex? You talk about how it kills you that blacks ignore white insults but cant take it when other minorities do the same but here is your punk ass bitching about Ghettopoly. Mr the KKK doesnt bother me but a board game does? What kind of a self righteous twat are you?

Ps: If and after you respond to this please dont forget to wipe the cum off your keyboard you sick freak.

It took you FIVE plus days to come up with that???
rotflmao rotflmao rotflmao

Mr the KKK doesnt bother me but a board game does?

Check that HomeBoy! I only commented when it came to you and LOFTON floatin' BS on this subject. Find a comment of mine that says "Mann... I'm bothered by Ghettopoly" or outraged or anything like that. WHERE is my B*TCHIN' statement about Ghettopoly?

Is that something that IN HASTE you aSSumed like you did about VOX opposing you?

I took exception to your naive On-the-Spot mimicking (I mean Reporting...) of Chang.
"He makes some good points...""He also stated that the game is called ghettopoly not blackopoly (since ghettos are not just black)" Hmmmm....
"Are you going to email Chang again?"

Again, I took exception to what you had to say. Like it or not. Right or wrong!

Sooooooo... Get that sh*t straight!

BTW what is a "racial Napolean complex"? Confused
....More Evidence of Ghettopoly, to Which Plenty of New Material Exists to Support the Game Ghettopoly. The sleaze, greed, and incompetence of Black people has done more harm to other Black people than all the years of slavery. Oh, but wait, this type of activity is limited to the West Coast, and Not the East, "Bull Crap"!

"Oversight Blamed in New Jersey Starvation Case
Child welfare workers had reported no red flags in the home of four malnourished boys.

By Josh Getlin

Times Staff Writer

October 28, 2003

NEW YORK "” Officials took swift action Monday on the latest scandal engulfing New Jersey's child welfare agency but conceded that the discovery of four emaciated adoptees in a suburban home revealed monitoring and oversight problems that could not be cured overnight.

Although state caseworkers reportedly visited the victims' home 38 times in the last two years, most recently in June, they reported nothing amiss to their supervisors, officials said. The lead caseworker, whom officials would not identify, has since resigned, and nine other agency employees were fired Monday in a widening investigation.

"People who made bad decisions will be held accountable, because it's inconceivable how a caseworker could go there and not detect these atrocious conditions," Gov. James E. McGreevey told reporters Monday. "What happened in Collingswood is unforgivable," he said, referring to the blue-collar suburb where an adult male and three boys were found with rotting teeth, lice, distended bellies and other health problems.

Authorities said the victims "” ages 9, 10, 14 and 19 "” had been starved by their parents, Raymond and Vanessa Jackson, who adopted them several years ago through the state's Division of Youth and Family Services. The four collectively weighed 136 pounds, and Bruce, 19, stood only 4 feet tall, police reported.

Showing evidence of what investigators called "dramatic growth retardation," the victims were removed from their home near Philadelphia on Oct. 10. Police arrested the Jacksons on Friday after a two-week investigation, charging them with assault and endangerment and holding them in Camden County Jail on $100,000 bail apiece.

Investigators reported that the victims had been locked out of their family's kitchen and were given a diet of peanut butter, uncooked pancake batter and cereal. The victims also told police that they had eaten wallboard and insulation for nutrition. Officials said utilities in the home had been turned off for the last six months.

Two adopted girls, along with a third girl whom the Jacksons had been seeking to adopt, were also found in the house, but in good health, officials said. All of the children were removed to new foster homes.

The Jacksons were unemployed and had no income beyond the $28,000 in annual child welfare stipends they got from the state, investigators said. The couple home-schooled their children and told authorities the males had eating disorders.

McGreevey's vow to correct such problems echoed statements he made in January, when 7-year-old Faheem Williams was found dead in the basement of a rotting Newark apartment. Child welfare officials, it turned out, had prematurely closed the case of the boy, who had been a suspected victim of abuse.

Since then, state officials have revamped the troubled Division of Youth and Family Services, placing it under the direction of a five-member panel of child welfare experts and appointing a statewide child advocate. In June, the state also settled a lawsuit filed by a battery of child welfare groups, promising to improve the treatment of children in its custody. Child welfare advocates said they were studying whether the Jackson case represented a breach of the state's promises under the settlement.

"This is a system that's been broken for 25 years," McGreevey said in response to questions about the similarity of the Jackson and Williams cases. "It's not going to get fixed in 25 hours."

The Jackson case came to light, prosecutors said, when a neighbor spotted the oldest boy rummaging through a dumpster for food at 2:30 a.m. and reported his physical condition to police. Although some neighbors said the Jacksons seemed to be pleasant people, others said the couple were reclusive and revealed little to outsiders.

"This case apparently just fell through the cracks," Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "I know that sounds simplistic, but it's still too early to tell [what exactly happened]. We're going through voluminous records, and it's going to take time to go through this."

Police said three of the boys' physical condition improved after they were taken to a hospital, and they had been subsequently released; the 19-year-old, however, remained hospitalized in a cardiac unit.

Kevin M. Ryan, the state's newly appointed child advocate, voiced the anger and incredulity of many who thought New Jersey was on its way to reforming its child welfare programs.

"We have a caseworker who went to a house 38 times in two years," he told reporters. "And many of those times she saw all the children, and she reported in the case record that those children were all safe, despite the fact that the kitchen doors were locked shut and the four boys were obviously starving."

"I only commented when it came to you and LOFTON floatin' BS on this subject. Find a comment of mine that says "Mann... I'm bothered by Ghettopoly" or outraged or anything like that. WHERE is my B*TCHIN' statement about Ghettopoly?" by Nmaginate

....as for B.S., the only individuals convinced lock, stock, and barrel, would be Nmaginate, Kevin41, Norland, etc. In the flesh, it is certain that the victims, would not share the view that this is a fictional occurance. About the only allies, regarding this being B.S. or ficticious, would be that misfit set of Black America, in some Black America's own no good social workers, foster parents, etc., who are a huge part of the problem and very remote from any constructive solution.

In little or no time, with absolutely no compassion for the rights of the abused, and/or lack of constructive thought, and it is certain that it won't be difficult to find a large block of middle class Black America blaming these disgraceful atrocities that Black people perpetrate against each other, on Racist Caucasians.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 29, 2003 at 07:35 PM.]
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Originally posted by Lofton:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-starve28oct28,1,6095290,print.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

"Oversight Blamed in New Jersey Starvation Case
Child welfare workers had reported no red flags in the home of four malnourished boys....



Mr. Lofton, the whole point of the protest against Gettopoly is not to trivialize, minimize, and espeically not to make jest, all of which Ghettopoly does, about real situations in any part of the White, poor, and espeically the Black areas.

The story you highlighted is not funny and a board game that would feature the situation in any way should not enjoy unbrideled reign.

Try to understand.
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Originally posted by Lofton:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-starve28oct28,1,6095290,print.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
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WHAT IN THE F--- DOES CHILD ABUSE AND STARVATIONS SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE GHETTO? WHY WAS THIS POSTED AS SOME TYPE OF INFERENCE TO ANY REALITY OF "GHETTOPOLY?"

CHILD ABUSE KNOWS NO RACE, GENDER, OR SOCIO-ECONOMIC BOUNDARIES.

AND ANOTHER THING, THERE IS NOTHING THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE DOING TODAY OR EVER THAT COMES CLOSE TO THE SADISTIC HORRORS OF SLAVERY; ANYONE THAT BELIEVES THAT HAS TO BE PEOPLE THAT ONLY READ THE SMALL WATERED DOWN EXCERPTS OF SLAVERY GRUDGENLY PLACED IN US HISTORY BOOKS FOR CHILDREN.
Well Sunnubian, and/or anyone else of similar expression!

"WHAT IN THE F--- DOES CHILD ABUSE AND STARVATIONS SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE GHETTO? WHY WAS THIS POSTED AS SOME TYPE OF INFERENCE TO ANY REALITY OF "GHETTOPOLY?"

CHILD ABUSE KNOWS NO RACE, GENDER, OR SOCIO-ECONOMIC BOUNDARIES.

AND ANOTHER THING, THERE IS NOTHING THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE DOING TODAY OR EVER THAT COMES CLOSE TO THE SADISTIC HORRORS OF SLAVERY; ANYONE THAT BELIEVES THAT HAS TO BE PEOPLE THAT ONLY READ THE SMALL WATERED DOWN EXCERPTS OF SLAVERY GRUDGENLY PLACED IN US HISTORY BOOKS FOR CHILDREN." by sunnubian

Apparently someone else, meaning you, must have difficulty comprehending what you read, because it is beyond child abuse when blatantly incompetent Black social workers allow such disgraceful activity to go on, when evidence of child abuse such as this, is so easily seen.

Having been in the system myself for well over three years out of my life, I've witnessed first hand much of the sleaze, greed, and/or incompetence of Black social workers, foster care providers, etc., playing musical chairs with another's family members, to pay down on their mortgage, buy some luxury vehicle, take that luxury vacation, purchase the finest in clothing, etc., at the expense of Black foster children.

Mind you, in my own experience, not a one these individuals had the first legal court document to hold any of my sisters, or brothers. Neither of my parents have ever been found to be unfit, criminal, or insane, or their offspring found to be criminal, unfit, or insane, in any court jurisdiction within the United States of America,....yet this very real reality took place, as it pertains to middle class Black America, breaking up the Black family structure for profit or personal financial gain.

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"Oversight Blamed in New Jersey Starvation Case
Child welfare workers had reported no red flags in the home of four malnourished boys.

By Josh Getlin

Times Staff Writer

October 28, 2003

NEW YORK "” Officials took swift action Monday on the latest scandal engulfing New Jersey's child welfare agency but conceded that the discovery of four emaciated adoptees in a suburban home revealed monitoring and oversight problems that could not be cured overnight.

Although state caseworkers reportedly visited the victims' home 38 times in the last two years, most recently in June, they reported nothing amiss to their supervisors, officials said. The lead caseworker, whom officials would not identify, has since resigned, and nine other agency employees were fired Monday in a widening investigation.

"People who made bad decisions will be held accountable, because it's inconceivable how a caseworker could go there and not detect these atrocious conditions," Gov. James E. McGreevey told reporters Monday. "What happened in Collingswood is unforgivable," he said, referring to the blue-collar suburb where an adult male and three boys were found with rotting teeth, lice, distended bellies and other health problems.

Authorities said the victims "” ages 9, 10, 14 and 19 "” had been starved by their parents, Raymond and Vanessa Jackson, who adopted them several years ago through the state's Division of Youth and Family Services. The four collectively weighed 136 pounds, and Bruce, 19, stood only 4 feet tall, police reported.

Showing evidence of what investigators called "dramatic growth retardation," the victims were removed from their home near Philadelphia on Oct. 10. Police arrested the Jacksons on Friday after a two-week investigation, charging them with assault and endangerment and holding them in Camden County Jail on $100,000 bail apiece.

Investigators reported that the victims had been locked out of their family's kitchen and were given a diet of peanut butter, uncooked pancake batter and cereal. The victims also told police that they had eaten wallboard and insulation for nutrition. Officials said utilities in the home had been turned off for the last six months.

Two adopted girls, along with a third girl whom the Jacksons had been seeking to adopt, were also found in the house, but in good health, officials said. All of the children were removed to new foster homes.

The Jacksons were unemployed and had no income beyond the $28,000 in annual child welfare stipends they got from the state, investigators said. The couple home-schooled their children and told authorities the males had eating disorders.

McGreevey's vow to correct such problems echoed statements he made in January, when 7-year-old Faheem Williams was found dead in the basement of a rotting Newark apartment. Child welfare officials, it turned out, had prematurely closed the case of the boy, who had been a suspected victim of abuse.

Since then, state officials have revamped the troubled Division of Youth and Family Services, placing it under the direction of a five-member panel of child welfare experts and appointing a statewide child advocate. In June, the state also settled a lawsuit filed by a battery of child welfare groups, promising to improve the treatment of children in its custody. Child welfare advocates said they were studying whether the Jackson case represented a breach of the state's promises under the settlement.

"This is a system that's been broken for 25 years," McGreevey said in response to questions about the similarity of the Jackson and Williams cases. "It's not going to get fixed in 25 hours."

The Jackson case came to light, prosecutors said, when a neighbor spotted the oldest boy rummaging through a dumpster for food at 2:30 a.m. and reported his physical condition to police. Although some neighbors said the Jacksons seemed to be pleasant people, others said the couple were reclusive and revealed little to outsiders.

"This case apparently just fell through the cracks," Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America." "I know that sounds simplistic, but it's still too early to tell [what exactly happened]. We're going through voluminous records, and it's going to take time to go through this."

Police said three of the boys' physical condition improved after they were taken to a hospital, and they had been subsequently released; the 19-year-old, however, remained hospitalized in a cardiac unit.

Kevin M. Ryan, the state's newly appointed child advocate, voiced the anger and incredulity of many who thought New Jersey was on its way to reforming its child welfare programs.

"We have a caseworker who went to a house 38 times in two years," he told reporters. "And many of those times she saw all the children, and she reported in the case record that those children were all safe, despite the fact that the kitchen doors were locked shut and the four boys were obviously starving."

This type of activity is very real in the inner-city, the Ghetto as applied to Black America, and I could care less as to your opinion, because make no mistake, just as surely as my own personal experience, there are many others who can also bring up very similar information. Heck, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services has been sued, and through civil lawsuit for damages, been forced by court decision to pay millions in damages for the atrocities of untold numbers of Black foster children abused, maimed, or killed, while in the custody of Black foster care providers, and/or under the jurisdiction of Black social workers or probation officers.

This is indeed, a very real reality as it pertains to inner-city Black America. The voices of a sunnubian are meaningless when stacked against those such as myself, and/or others as depicted in the article, as expressed in the previous posting above or below.

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....More Evidence of Ghettopoly, to Which Plenty of New Material Exists to Support the Game Ghettopoly. The sleaze, greed, and incompetence of Black people has done more harm to other Black people than all the years of slavery. Oh, but wait, this type of activity is limited to the West Coast, and Not the East, "Bull Crap"!

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Heck, any author of Ghettopoly and/or any sequel thereof, won't find it very difficult to find an abundance of factual information to support the "punch line of the game", Ghettopoly.

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Be it in Africa..........Or within the U.S., and in many instances Black America's Own so-called University Educated have promoted criminalizing the truly innocent, while freeing the truly criminal!

..and yes, THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROVEN INCIDENTS WHERE U.S. CITIZENS OF BLACK AMERICAN HERITAGE OF TODAY, OR CONTEMPORARY TIMES, ARE DOING MORE HARM TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAN ALL THE SADISTIC HORRORS OF SLAVERY COMBINED, BAR NONE!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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P.S.

"I too speak from experience, the experience of working in the DSS office of my city, experience working in other social service areas, and working in a law office." by sunnubian

Heck, it is very difficult for me, to say anything good about any Black social worker, probation officer, etc. Should a Black social worker ever come to my door step, I would show them the same gross disrespect that I have for many of Black Americas no good sleazy preachers.

Caucasian social workers, unlike our own Black social workers, make it their business to be ethical. Caucasians have not been the primary perpetrators of breaking up solid Black families for profit, like that typical mindless or "brain dead" Black social worker. Furthermore, Caucasians seem to be more sophisticated than to subject themselves to criminal prosecution or civil lawsuit for damages, as a result a being so foolish, deceitful, disrespectful of family structure, lawless, un-righteous, treasonous, un-American, blatantly sacreligious, and/or hateful to a fellow human being....some Black people who are university educated are educated fools, or perhaps,.....savagely uncivilized!

Neither of my parents have ever been on welfare or had so much as the slightest interest in any government handout, yet Black social workers, as it applies to the so-called university educated, attempted to force their will on people, such as my immediate family members, who have no interest in being subjected to the whims of government, period, period, period. The reader need only review the merits of the sequestered for twenty years, Los Angeles Superior Court Case # C 895188, which is of public record for proof, as to the merits of the Lofton family!

Heck, the:

A. Mis-use and abuse of social welfare benefits.

B. Penal incarceration.

C. Break-up of the Black family structure for profit.

D. No good poverty pimping in the name of self jack leg Black preachers rather than serving the Great Almighty God.

E. Going after the truly innocent of Black America Boyz n da Hood no good Black police officers.

F. Illegally incarcerating or throwing the book of criminal prosecution, unfair judicial decisions, judges of "revue", such as Janice Brown...Judge William R. Clays have more so than any wrong doing on the part of Caucasian America, contributed to the numbers of truly innocent, or punished without just cause, Black men and/or women now behind bars, and/or released from penal incarceration.

G. Placing Black minors including infants on probation, former Black Probation Officer Elaine Reed. Elaine Reed has been deceased for well over twenty years, and it was reported that she was killed by a Black youth in foster care. A person reaps what they sow. Considering Elaine Reed's gross incompetent actions of placing Black infants on probation, it would not be too far fetched to come to the conclusion that Elaine Reed's own blatant incompetence may have led to her death, by a young Black youth, who may have been so unjustly violated that he took the law into his own hands, considering the fact that the courts within inner-city Black America, are used to free the truly criminal and hang the truly innocent of Black America, all with the blessing of the so-called Black middle class, the so-called university educated of Black America.

H. Etc., Etc.

are very much a part of the economy in the Black community, as it relates to inner-city Black Ghettopoly and/or middle class Black America!

[This message was edited by Lofton on October 29, 2003 at 10:11 PM.]
All I am saying is don't try to paint the face of child abuse (or incompetent social workers) black. Child abuse is a problem that can be found in all walks of life; the rich, the poor, black, white, ghetto, suburbs, rural areas.

I too speak from experience, the experience of working in the DSS office of my city, experience working in other social service areas, and working in a law office.

If a parent is going to be or is abusive, it has to do with the mental health of the parent, not the parent's race or income level. If a social worker is incompetent, it has to do with that particular social worker and not the social worker's race.

I will say however, that a lot of social workers efforts are stiffled by rules and regulations and this rediculous "keep the family together at all cost" psylosophy.

I have seen young girls put back in the same home with the father or stepfather that has been sexually abusing them (after he receives "counseling") in the name of family "preservation" - and the social workers being totally against it and yet the system would have their hands tied to do anything about it.

I will say also, that I believe that if a social worker has the duty to ensure the wellbeing of a child and does not do his/her job, especially to the point of what happened to the children in this article, then I believe that that social worker should have to face criminal charges -- if it is found out that the social worker had opportunity to do their job and just took it upon themselves not to do it.

But, as I said before, it is not just a ghetto or black or poor syndrome, a person capable of abusing a child will commit the abuse while rich or poor or black or white.
To compare anything in a modern context to the horrible horrible situations associated with slavery shows what a disrespectful self-hating motherf-ker you really are. I bet the souls of my ancestors are turning over in their graves or on the ocean floor with the way you trivalized their expereience........you aren't shit Lofton and if you do have a troubled, tormented life..it is very understandable.......you need your disrespectful azz kicked for saying some shit like that...it doesn't bother me because you exect certain things from the lower part of the race....but you should know better as a matter of principle.....no mater what point you are trying to stress.....but i wouldn't ask your dumb azz to substantiate that statement......because you could not
Lofton posted,
Caucasian social workers, unlike our own Black social workers, make it their business to be ethical. Caucasians have not been the primary perpetrators of breaking up solid Black families for profit, like that typical mindless or "brain dead" Black social worker. Furthermore, Caucasians seem to be more sophisticated than to subject themselves to criminal prosecution or civil lawsuit for damages, as a result a being so foolish, deceitful, disrespectful of family structure, lawless, un-righteous, treasonous, un-American, blatantly sacreligious, and/or hateful to a fellow human being....some Black people who are university educated are educated fools, or perhaps,.....savagely uncivilized!


*** I am starting to think more and more that you are a white motherf-ker in here playing games. I do not think a black would come in here and relish the misfortunes of blacks, praise whites and trvialize slavery the way you do.......are you really black Lofton? I doubt it.......
Well Kevin41 and/or anyone else of similar expression!

"I am starting to think more and more that you are a white motherf-ker in here playing games. I do not think a black would come in here and relish the misfortunes of blacks, praise whites and trvialize slavery the way you do.......are you really black Lofton? I doubt it......." by Kevin41

..but I'm not Caucasian, and indeed, more harm has been done to Black people by Black people than all the years of Jim Crowe. One only need look at the reality of it, and it won't be difficult to draw such a conclusion. I could care less as to what you think, because the reality of it speaks for itself!

"To compare anything in a modern context to the horrible horrible situations associated with slavery shows what a disrespectful self-hating motherf-ker you really are. I bet the souls of my ancestors are turning over in their graves or on the ocean floor with the way you trivalized their expereience........you aren't shit Lofton and if you do have a troubled, tormented life..it is very understandable.......you need your disrespectful azz kicked for saying some shit like that...it doesn't bother me because you exect certain things from the lower part of the race....but you should know better as a matter of principle.....no mater what point you are trying to stress.....but i wouldn't ask your dumb azz to substantiate that statement......because you could not"

As for the thoughts any Pompous Profane Professor, your thoughts are meaningless in light of the heavily weighted evidence, by many reputable sources, that Black people are doing more harm to each other than all the years of Jim Crowe! Death, imprisonment, etc., is no less deadly, because the results are the same, whether:

A. Killed by some slave overseer of yesteryear.

B. Maimed or bludgeoned to death by other Black people.

C. Confined to penal institution such as a Pelican Bay, mind you some of these prison inmates are truly innocent because untold numbers of innocent Black people are illegally incarcerated, some even sent to death row, or otherwise, because of the blatant incompetence and/or disregard for U.S. citizenship rights on the part of Black America's own lawyers, so-called civil rights organization, and/or game playing Black elected officials.

D. Having your family scattered all over town, without a clue as to where they may be, held as hostage by the sleaze, greed, and/or incompetence of other Black people in the interest of making money, etc., is certainly no less wrong or disgraceful than the many incidents of similar activity atributed to slavery past. This activity, of breaking up the Black family structure for profit, was supposed to have ended with the end of slavery..... but no, mind you, some of the Black middle class have turned the break-up of the Black family structure into a profit for personal gain at the expense of the rights of others disgraceful money making business venture!


"**So Lofton, please substantiate a statement such as this. What is your basis of measurement? Is there any quantifiable data available that supports such a statement?" by Kevin41

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Here, in Los Angeles, and/or many other communities across Black America, back in the day, Black people were skeptical of police, and any police presence. Now many Black people beg for increased police presence to curtail the ever increasing number of innocent Black men, women, and children, killed by you guessed it, other Black people

Ratcheting Up Raids, LAPD Sends a Message
Besides catching more offenders, the serving of warrants all at once aims to prevent crime by putting detainees' cohorts on notice.

By Jill Leovy, Times Staff Writer, October 31, 2003

It was 7:15 in the evening, and across South Los Angeles, several hundred police officers were trying to be very, very quiet.

They were about to burst into action all at once "” 37 separate police units in 37 different places, spread out within a few square miles east of the Harbor Freeway.

The Oct. 23 raids "” involving searches and arrests "” were designed to fetter the activities of two local street gangs.

Such operations are being emphasized more in the Los Angeles Police Department. As part of a new strategy pushed by Chief William J. Bratton, police say they are trying to serve more search warrants and are conducting larger raids, such as those last week. Twenty-eight people were eventually arrested, most on suspicion of drug-related or weapons-related crimes. Police said 19 were charged or otherwise remain in custody.

"It's not efficient and not good policing to just respond to calls," said Cmdr. Jim Tatreau of the department's 77th Street Division, where most of last week's warrants were served. Search warrants, he said, "put you into people's homes, cars and hangouts. Nothing is sacred."

His division has been a focus of such efforts. It straddles the Harbor Freeway south of Vernon Avenue and has the highest number of violent crimes of any LAPD division. The number of search warrants served there has ballooned from 46 during all of last year to 84 in the first 10 months of 2003.

"In my view, bigger is better. It lets people know we are doing our part to combat narcotics and gangs," said Officer Mike Fletcher, one of the narcotics investigators who took part in the operation.

Besides catching wrongdoers, LAPD officials say, the search warrant operations are meant to prevent crime. They argue that the raids warn associates of those arrested "” gang members "” that the police are poised to take action. Police also say such efforts yield clues to other crimes "” a gun confiscated here, a tip offered by a suspect there.

In addition, the large operations are meant to improve community relations, Tatreau said.

Two teenagers, Quinesha Dunford, 15, and Demario Moore, 13, were killed Sept. 10 in the same neighborhood where the warrants were served. Three people have been arrested and charged in the case "” 18-year-old Marcel Harling and two others, whose names were not released because they are juveniles.

Although the suspects in the case were caught, the double homicide "just cries out that it deserves ... something special," Tatreau said. "People ... don't just want us to cover the bodies and pick up the pieces. They want to know ... that we will be back tomorrow."

Officers in the Oct. 23 operation were directed to strike at the same instant. About 7:20 p.m., the orders began going out "” "all narcotics squads, go, go, go," followed by calls to other squads. Officers then rushed front doors.

At 52nd and Hoover streets, for example, three police cars pulled up to the curb in front of a small Craftsman-style house under a large shade tree. Officers poured out, shouting at a man who happened to be walking out of the house next door at the same moment. He dropped his cigarette and tentatively placed his hands on his head.

At the door of the Craftsman house, there was the sound of a small child screaming. Then the officers walked a man wearing pajama pants out of the house in handcuffs. A few neighbors watched. A couple with a stroller glanced at the scene, then crossed to the other side of the street.

The man was released: He was the suspect's father, police said later.

One neighbor, 39, who identified herself only as Martha, said she was pleased. The corner near the house "is very suspicious. You see a lot of people just visiting," she said. "I'm glad [the police] are here. That way it can be cleaned up a little."

Not all shared this view, though. At 50th Street and Normandie Avenue, Ronald Swan, a 56-year-old blind veteran of the Vietnam War, listened with employees at a restaurant to another raid unfolding next door.

The police "come out making a big scene, but they don't give the youngsters here a job," he said. "Why not bust the people who are bringing the drugs in, instead of these young kids? There are drugs in white areas too, you know."

Next door, police were uncovering what they said were clear signs of narcotics sales, though no suspects. Detectives found apartments in the building equipped with video surveillance systems rigged to cameras mounted on the roof. They found rock cocaine inside an apartment with a custom metal door, and two guns between mattresses on a bed.

At other locations, officers said, they did find people named in the warrants.

One person who was detained then released, however, was Gregory Johnson, 18, who said he was mistakenly accused of leaving a drug location. Police handcuffed him then let him go.

Johnson said he felt that several officers treated him with disrespect.

"Yes, that's what the police should be doing," Johnson said of the raids. "But they need to be extra cautious.... Just locking everyone up when something happens doesn't get you to the core issue."

Detectives respond that limits on the use of wiretapping and a lack of resources prevent them from targeting bigger fish "” that is, higher-level gang operatives most responsible for ordering street violence. But they also say they are careful to target suspects involved in serious crime.

Det. Mike Steward said he spent two months preparing his application for a warrant. Judicial officers approved it in about an hour, he said.

Fletcher, the narcotics investigator, said: "We are trying to identify people involved in these crimes, do work-ups on them and surveillance on them. A lot of work went into this. A lot of blood and sweat."

Among those nabbed were two juveniles and one adult suspected of assault with a deadly weapon. The adult suspect was later released, Steward said. Prosecutors were still weighing charges against the juveniles earlier this week."
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.....Sure, Sure, Sure, and More than Likely The 15 Suspects Arrested Were Preying on Caucasians, as opposed to Black People, as it applies to illicit drug dealing, maiming, killing, robbing, etc., yet reality speaks differently!

Without gainful employment, or an opportunity to gainful employment, unless the university educated of Black America are very resourceful, they too may end up in prison, and some who possess university degree are in prison, or may end up violating the law, as a last resort just to provide the necessities of life, for themselves, their family, etc. Corporate Caucasian America, Corporate Hispanic America, Corporate Jewish America, Corporate Hispanic America, Corporate Korean America, Corporate Japanese America, etc., being the largest employers of U.S. citizens, are not obligated to hire every Black man and woman whose desire is to be gainfully employed. Black people must take risks to create work opportunities to create more choices, so that fewer Black men and/or women, from all walks of life, are forced to commit a criminal act to provide the necessities of life, for themselves and/or their respective family members!


Authorities Arrest 15 Suspects in Raids on Drug Ring

By Chuck Philips
Times Staff Writer

October 31, 2003

More than 250 officers swept through Compton and nearby areas in a series of raids, arresting 15 alleged gang members accused of operating the most lucrative PCP ring in Southern California, authorities announced Thursday.

Authorities served search warrants on 22 sites in 10 cities, rousting the alleged leader of the drug ring, Roderick Cardale Reed, from his bed at a residence in Rialto.

Reed, 35, a member of the Fruit Town Piru Bloods whose street moniker is "Lil Rod," is also a suspect in the killings of several associates of rap mogul Marion "Suge" Knight, detectives said. He has not been charged in those cases.

Reed and the others arrested Wednesday were charged with conspiracy to manufacture, possess and distribute PCP, a crystallized street drug.

The raids mark the culmination of an 18-month federal probe in which authorities confiscated 50 weapons and $117,000 in cash and shut down two drug laboratories in the High Desert capable of producing 140 gallons of PCP a week.

Police also recently seized a cargo van allegedly connected to Reed that they said contained PCP with a street value of $2 million.

The sweep was carried out by the FBI with assistance from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, and the gang unit of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. The agencies are part of the Compton Violent Inner City Crime Initiative, formed in 1998.

According to a federal grand jury indictment, Reed oversaw the illegal purchase of chemicals used to manufacture PCP and set the street price. Detectives had Reed and his associates under surveillance since last November and allegedly saw them buy and transport chemicals to a deserted location in San Bernardino County.

Authorities served search warrants in Compton, Downey, Paramount, Rialto, Apple Valley, Palmdale, Victorville, Fontana, Lancaster and Los Angeles. Most of the individuals arrested Wednesday were members of the Fruit Town gang, based in Compton.In addition to drugs and cash, authorities reported seizing numerous weapons, including an AK-47 assault rifle, two Tech 9 automatic handguns with silencers, and several shotguns.

Reed, long associated with the Fruit Town gang, has been under investigation in the murders of several associates of Knight, whose Death Row Records launched the global gangsta rap music phenomenon.

A string of gang shootings since 1997 has claimed the lives of three of Knight's closest associates "” including his best friend and chief bodyguard, Alton McDonald.

McDonald was shot at a Compton gas station on April 3, 2002.

Police released sketches of two suspects based on witness descriptions.

Reed has emerged "as a potential suspect in the course of our investigation into the murder of Alton McDonald," said sheriff's Homicide Det. Beth Smith. Investigators are also trying to determine whether Reed was involved in the slaying of a man outside McDonald's house on March 25, 2001, and the shooting of another Knight associate a year earlier.

Reed has not been charged in any of the killings.
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....And As Televised on 60 Minutes, It Would Not be Unreasonable to Draw the Conclusion That the Unethical Business Dealings of U.S. Multi-National Oil Companies Have a Great Deal to Do With Planting the Seeds of Terrorism Around the World!

Kuwait Of Africa

Nov. 16, 2003

African countries like Equatorial Guinea will provide as much as 25 percent of America's oil in the next decade. (Photo: CBS)

President Obiang has won big since oil was discovered – and now he is bestowing on himself and his family the lifestyle of the rich and famous. (Photo: CBS)

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(CBS) What country has the world's fastest-growing economy?

China? Ireland? No. Equatorial Guinea, a tiny nation which been dubbed the "Kuwait of Africa" because it has so few people and so much oil.

It used to be called the "Armpit of Africa," because it was so desperately poor. But since the discovery of oil 10 years ago, that's begun to change.

In fact, African countries like Equatorial Guinea will provide as much as 25 percent of America's oil in the next decade. And giants like ExxonMobil are pumping out more of it all the time. Correspondent Bob Simon reports.

The oil workers come in droves, and there are so many that there's now a weekly flight direct from Texas to Equatorial Guinea called the Houston Express.

The country has the third largest reserves in Africa, so the men know what they're here for, even if they're not quite sure where they are.

The men are bussed straight to a compound, and then out to sea – where the oil is offshore. Simon visited an offshore platform in the Gulf of Guinea. There is lots of oil a couple of miles under these waters.

The big discoveries began in the ˜60s in Nigeria, Angola and in Cameroon, but remarkably no one could find much of anything here in the water off Equatorial Guinea. The Spanish tried and failed, and so did the French, but the giant American companies simply weren't interested.

Then, in 1992, a tiny American firm scraped together some money, bought a concession to explore, and hit the jackpot.

"You know, when they tell you, you don't have anything, you make a deal," says Pierre Atepa, an adviser to the Guinean president. "And they say, ˜OK, let's hit a deal.' If we find, we take almost everything. You know, you may as well have a little bit of everything than everything of nothing."

Equatorial Guinea got to keep a mere 12 percent of the oil revenues in the first year of its contract -- not much of a deal considering that other African countries were keeping as much as 60 percent.

ExxonMobil, which struck that first production deal, wouldn't talk to 60 Minutes about it. So we talked to Alex Vines, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch, who specializes in Equatorial Guinea.

According to Vines, the negotiators were amateurs: "They had no clue and I'm sure that the boys from Texas understood that this was a good one to get in the bag ...This was not a good deal at all for Equatorial Guinea."

This former Spanish colony is a tiny country, the size of Maryland, with a population of only half a million. It's an exquisite place, a great place to live if you're a butterfly. But not so great if you're not. Most people are dirt poor, earning about $1 a day. Most don't have access to clean water or sanitation and the malaria is the deadliest on the planet.

But if the oil revenue hasn't helped them, it's done a lot for the country's ruler. From the moment you arrive, you can't avoid the sight of His Excellency, Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo. And however long you stay, you never lose sight of President Obiang. He is everywhere, even occasionally in person. But he can't be all that confident of his people. His bodyguards are especially imported from Morocco.

Today, he's celebrating the 24th anniversary of the military coup that brought him to power. His predecessor's regime was so brutal that a third of the nation was either killed or went into exile.

That predecessor was President Obiang's uncle. When he seized power, Obiang threw his uncle into prison, put him on trial and had him executed.

President Obiang has won big since oil was discovered – and now he is bestowing on himself and his family the lifestyle of the rich and famous. The president visits Washington, D.C. A lot. He's bought a couple of mansions in the D.C. area – and he paid $2.6 million dollars for one in cash.

Obiang's first son, Teodoro, Jr., has also been picking up mansions -- even one in his own country, where he doesn't spend much time. When he's not in Hollywood or Rio, you're likely to find him in Paris, where he lives in one of the best hotels, and coasts down the Champs Elysees in his Bentley.

In a film shot by French TV a few years ago, there was a Lamborghini waiting to take him on a shopping spree. He bought more than 30 suits in a shop that day. Everywhere he goes, he's accompanied by his country's ambassador to France.

Not only is he the son of the president, and considered by many a likely successor, he's also Minister of Infrastructure. The oil business is in the hands of his brother Gabrial, the president's cousin is Inspector General of the Armed Forces, and his brother runs the security services. It's all in the family.

For all others, the president says he'll make sure the oil wealth trickles down. And he's doing his bit, offering handouts to the grateful multitudes on special occasions. And the president himself is grateful, as he told 60 Minutes when Simon sat down with him in his palace.

"The oil has been for us like the manna that the Jews ate in the desert. And we have to follow the rules to make sure this manna reaches all the people in Equatorial Guinea," says President Obiang.

"Well, I mean theoretically, absolutely the president's right, but you know, ˜Where's the beef,'" asks Vines. "Equatorial Guinea is one of these very rare countries - less than half a million people who could really benefit from vast oil wealth - but we're not seeing much evidence of it yet."

There's not much evidence of democracy either. There are no newspapers or bookstores; television and radio are controlled by the president and his family; and at the main station, a government official recently announced to the nation that their president is none other than God. That was after last year's election, in which the president won 97 percent of the vote. Impressive, perhaps, but this is in fact less than previous years.

Is the president worried that his popularity is slipping?

"My popularity at the moment is not decreasing. In a sense it's actually growing," he says. "It's growing, because if I obtain 97 percent of the elections, it just shows there is no one left in the opposition."

Maybe that's because the opposition's leaders were locked up in the notorious Black Beach Prison when the elections were held. One prisoner, Placido Mico, was released just this past August after spending more than 400 days behind bars.

"I have been in prison with more than 100 people who were tortured by Obiang's brother, ˜El Armengol,' and his cousin Antonio, the people that eat with Obiang every day. His brother, cousins, close relatives, bodyguards have been torturing these men I lived with in prison for 14 months," says Mico, who has been in prison more than eight times.

"The first time they tried to accuse me of slander. Sometimes they don't bother to accuse me of anything. This time they have tried to accuse me of plotting a coup against the president."

John Bennett, a former U.S. Ambassador to Equatorial Guinea, says political show trials are a permanent feature of the regime: "Usually the prisoners, when they're brought in, there are very clear signs of torture. Sometimes they can't walk. Or barely can walk. Because the bottoms of their feet have been beat off. If you've ever seen a person limp on both legs, you know you're in Equatorial Guinea."

When Ambassador Bennett named one of the torturers and highlighted these abuses in the State Department's annual human rights report, he received a death threat. He's convinced it came from a member of the ruling clan. Not only that, he says American oil executives were not happy with him.

"And one of them [a senior executive of an oil company] just really was irritated. To the point of yelling at me," says Bennett. "Because it interfered with the way they wanted to do business with the government."

But now that there are a lot of U.S. oil men in Equatorial Guinea, does Bennett think this will be an indication of how they will react to the continuing human rights abuses?

"It's not bothered investments certainly. Investment has gone up over $5 billion if I understand correctly, from U.S. firms," says Bennett.

And how close are the U.S. firms to the president? Well, for starters, those oil company compounds are built on land owned by the president, and leased from him for a princely sum. And when the president comes to the states the companies entertain him lavishly.

As first reported by the Los Angeles Times, American oil companies have been depositing hundreds of millions of dollars in oil royalties into an account controlled by President Obiang at a branch of the Riggs Bank in Washington, D.C.

"I still believe that this is a state secret -- that is, secret from outsiders and not from the government itself. The government knows very well the amounts we've been given," says President Obiang.

After September 11, it became crystal clear that the United States needed to diversify its oil sources.

"Somewhere like Equatorial Guinea is particularly strategic because I mean, figure it's non-OPEC and it's non-Muslim oil that's very attractive for the U.S.," says Vines. "But if you have greater disenfranchisement and frustration by the local populations who see no benefit from oil, they may become festering zones for other types of individuals who want to manipulate this, including sympathizers to Al Qaeda or other groups that may have an anti-American interest involved."

Not only did the executives of the major oil companies operating in Equatorial Guinea refuse to be interviewed by 60 Minutes, they also prohibited their employees in the country from speaking with us while we were there."

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...Oh but wait, forget about or ignore the obvious, we'll gather around and get statistical evidence as to the reality of it, while the Black community faces extinction, many times perpetrated by Black America itself! By the time the data is collected very few Black people may be left to discuss the findings! ....The typical Black elected leadership could care less, because many times they fan the fire, to send Black people to the gallows! !

With the large number of Black men and women in prison, it remains to be seen if Black America will ever turn around its regression to the pits of Hell! Sure says a whole lot about the so called Christian community, when more Black men are in prison than those who remain in the neighborhood!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 18, 2003 at 06:13 PM.]
Lofton posted,

..but I'm not Caucasian, and indeed, more harm has been done to Black people by Black people than all the years of Jim Crowe. One only need look at the reality of it, and it won't be difficult to draw such a conclusion.


**So Lofton, please substantiate a statement such as this. What is your basis of measurement? Is there any quantifiable data available that supports such a statement?
I hate liars, I think this article, given all we know indicates that both Hasbro as well as Chang are big liars (although I think Change is the bigger liar of the two)
[represents my opinion]
quote:
Lawsuit Filed Over Ghettopoly

Hasbro Inc., has filed a federal lawsuit against the maker of a board game called "Ghettopoly," claiming the game violates Hasbro's trademarks and copyrights to the Monopoly real estate trading game. [good start]

The lawsuit against David Chang of Saint Marys, Pa., was filed in U.S. District Court on Tuesday. It alleges Ghettopoly has unlawfully mimicked Monopoly's packaging and logos, and has created "irreparable injury" to Hasbro's goodwill and reputation. [very true]

"While the genuine Monopoly game has become a wholesome and respected American icon that has been enjoyed by millions of adults and children for generations, the Ghettopoly knockoff has generated a firestorm of controversy for its highly offensive, racist content," the lawsuit states.

"Indeed, the NAACP has stated that the game promotes and capitalizes on 'negative aspects of society that cause great harm to individuals and to the African-American community at large."'


The game drew outrage from minority leaders this month, after it began selling at Urban Outfitters stores. The retail chain has pulled the game from its shelves and Yahoo! and eBay [I think letters should be sent to yahoo and ebay for recognition for doing the right thing] have notified Chang they would halt online sales.

"The concern here is we have had a lot of calls from very upset consumers who are very concerned that we might somehow be associated with Chang's game," said Mark Morris, a spokesman, for Hasbro U.S. Games. [I believe this is partial true]

In the complaint, Hasbro stated Chang violated Hasbro's trademark rights and copyrights to the Monopoly game, which has been a Parker Brothers game since 1935. Hasbro, based in Pawtucket, is the parent company of Parker Brothers.

"I just can't believe they are doing that," Chang, 28, told The Associated Press. He said he intends to fight the lawsuit. [hopefully Hasbro drags it out past the holiday]

Chang, who said he is Asian, said he got the idea for the game while watching "MTV Cribs," a television show that often features the homes of various rap artists. [there's no hoods in Cribs featured in Ghettopoly. Where's the bentley, rolls royces, moet, and dime ladies in Ghettopoly?]

"I came up with something that has an urban edge," [that must have come from his lawyer] he said. "I didn't make the game to offend anybody," [Maybe not only to offend, but he is still a liar] he said, adding that the game also features references to Asian, Irish, Jewish and other cultures. "I'm not a racist."
[liar]

He said he sent a mock-up of the game to Hasbro several months ago for permission to sell it and he never got a response. [I believe this] Morris said Hasbro has no record of Chang contacting them. [that may be true, but I'm sure someone remembers it, it's kinda unforgettable.} The lawsuit states Chang has never received a license or permission from Hasbro for Ghettopoly.

Chang began selling the game on the Internet in April, and once it garnered publicity, Urban Outfitters contacted him about selling it in their stores, he said. Chang said he did not know how much money he has made off of Ghettopoly so far. [Liar, how about how many games were sold?]

Hasbro has licensed many variations of Monopoly -- a company called USAopoly Inc., has produced Monopoly editions featuring The Simpsons, Scooby-Doo, or the Muppets, Morris said.

"They are Monopoly editions," Morris said. Other games that allow people to create their own "opoly" distinguish themselves enough from the real game so consumers are not confused, Morris said.




again my comments are in '[]' above.

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... its time for Prosperity


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An African American Board Game Of Wealth & Success.

Lofton posted,

Heck, it is very difficult for me, to say anything good about any Black social worker, probation officer, etc. Should a Black social worker ever come to my door step, I would show them the same gross disrespect that I have for many of Black Americas no good sleazy preachers.


**** Thats right...they're all f-ked up.....for being black if for no other reason.....wow
Well Kevin41,

...and anyone of the mindset who believes that government employees have all the rights and law abiding tax paying private citizens, do not have any rights......

"Heck, it is very difficult for me, to say anything good about any Black social worker, probation officer, etc. Should a Black social worker ever come to my door step, I would show them the same gross disrespect that I have for many of Black Americas no good sleazy preachers." by Lofton

"**** That's right...they're all f-ked up.....for being black if for no other reason.....wow" by Kevin41

....not for being Black, but for being so damn weak, treasonous, and incompetent!

Far too many Black social workers have been a part of the unwarranted destruction of the traditional Black family unit for profit, by playing musical chairs with the offspring of others, etc. This is the reality of it, whether you agree or disagree.

Caucasian America is not entirely responsible for the destruction of the Black family unit, when university educated Black social workers, Probation officers, etc., for what ever reason destroy the bond between parents and their children. You would think that these individuals would have more sense, with such an extensive university education, but as reality would have it, many more than just a few lack common sense.

Again, should a one of these individuals come across my threshold, they will be dealt with. In far too many instances Black America's own so-called university educated social workers, and/or probation officers, have contributed to the destruction of the traditional Black family structure, many times without the first legal document to justify their actions.

Some Black social workers and probation officers have used fraudulent documents to entice policing authorities to violate the rights of truly law abiding U.S. citizens of Black American heritage. University educated social workers who unwarrantedly interfere in the lives of U.S. citizens, who are free and clear of any government assistance as applied to receiving the first dime in welfare benefits, AFDC, etc., make it their business to stand up for their rights, and kick to the curb any government employee who attempts to disrupt their family personal business, which is basically none of any social worker's or probation officer's business.

There are more than just a few Black people around, who have absolutely nothing to do with receiving the first dime in welfare benefits, who also detest and resent the illegal intrusion of government officials into their lives, who attempt to dictate to a parent, or parents on how best to control immediate family concerns.

Crossing into the territory of another's blood line should not be taken so lightly, because blood is thicker than water. Such an intrusion, especially an unwarranted intrusion can bring on animosity, bloodshed, and/or death to those who choose to destroy the filial relationship between parent(s) and their children, and/or the filial relationship between children.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 09, 2003 at 10:21 PM.]
Well Kevin41 and/or anyone else of similar expression

"Man you have ranted on and on about black people so..who cares at this point....your statement says ANY black social worker...so talking to some one who has that much of an inherent disdain for black people is a f-king waste of time.....knock yourself out Lofton.............." by Kevin41

...yep and be it one, two, or any number of social workers, when such an individual or set of individuals have absolutely no legal authority to interfere in the personal affairs or family business of others, it means just that, nothing more, nothing less.

Didn't ask for their services, didn't request their services, don't need their services, not a one of my family members are "Welfare Recipients", the court system did not give any order authorizing the break up of my family, the individuals concerned did not possess the first legal document to justify this very un-American treasonous and without legal authority activity. Black social worker(s), Black probation officer(s), and Black foster care provider(s) have, in fact, illegally interferred in the family business of others, such as my immediate family, and/or other Black families.

At one point in time each of my sisters, brothers, and I, spend months in the original MacLaren Hall. Since then because of some of the same information as shared, concerning the agregious abuse of children by probation officers, social workers, adult child care workers, MacLaren Hall has been shut down for good, and rightfully so! In addition some foster homes should be or have been put out of business for the same reasons. Some social workers, and probation officers have been fired, or should be fired, sued, and/or sent to prison for many very real atrocities perpetrated on children supposedly in protective custody of agents and officials of government!!

Those who have been in the system such as myself can relate to the reality of it, just as I have. Heck, one of my sisters spent over eighteen years of her life, from the time that she was an infant, being shuffled around by Black foster parents, no good Black social workers, etc. When Congresswoman Maxine Waters was petitioned by my parents for information and help in seeking redress to both discern the whereabouts of my sisters and brothers, kept some where in South Central Los Angeles, or any where within the large County of Los Angeles, my parents were given the run around, policing authorities were summoned to arrest them, by you guessed it, Black America's own so-called university educated, so called trained professionals, in social workers, elected officials, no good in violation of the "Lords Prayer" no good deceitful disgraceful poverty pimping jack leg Black preachers, and no good foster parents. ...and my GrandFather was a Methodist Minister who truly practiced what he preached, which is definitely very removed from what takes place in contemporary times!

If not for the benevolence of the "Joe Pine Talk Radio Show", and "one lone Black woman" who listened to the public appeal to the listeners of the "Joe Pine Radio Talk Show" by my mother to find her offspring, instead of three years of being floated around in the system, it could have been seven years for me, and several more years of abuse, for all the rest of my sisters and brothers,..... to which again....... Black people are the primary perpetrators who break up the traditional Black family structure out of sleaze and greed to reap a profit.

In comtemporary times, within Los Angeles County, and/or many other communities, the situation has reached an even more alarming state, to which while under that care of Black foster parents, and the supervision of Black social workers, numerous Black infants, Black children, etc., have been physically abused, maimed or killed, to which civil lawsuit for damages on the part of the natural parents, and/or their civil attorneys have resulting in mega-bucks in civil damages.

Your two cents is definitely worthless in the light of the many individuals such as my immediate family, and/or others, who have faced this very harsh reality.

I could care less as to how upset you get, because the writing is all over the wall. The traditional Black family is structure is being destroyed by the community of Black America itself, namely out of greed of some Black people...who are truly unethical and/or who lack any common sense, who make it their business to make money at the expense of other Black people.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 10, 2003 at 04:13 PM.]
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:

*** I am starting to think more and more that you are a white motherf-ker in here playing games. I do not think a black would come in here and relish the misfortunes of blacks, praise whites and trvialize slavery the way you do.......are you really black Lofton? I doubt it.......


I just got here, and I felt that way from the second week on the board.

If he's not Black I'm not giving him that benefit, he would have to prove it (and a picture won't do), with actions that empower our people.

I guess you think Clarence Thomas is Black too, hahahahaahaha

Black is first by complexion, but it could be renounced by action, Thomas renounced his.

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... its time for Prosperity


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An African American Board Game Of Wealth & Success.

Well Empowerment and/or anyone else

.....who supports the destruction of the Black family structure for profit at the expense of truly law abiding U.S. citizens of Black American heritage.

"I just got here, and I felt that way from the second week on the board.

If he's not Black I'm not giving him that benefit, he would have to prove it (and a picture won't do), with actions that empower our people.

I guess you think Clarence Thomas is Black too, hahahahaahaha

Black is first by complexion, but it could be renounced by action, Thomas renounced his." by ????Empowerment?????


If the harsh realities as described as it relates to Black social workers, probation officers, no good foster care providers, who have done a very good job in taking the Black community to "Hell" on earth are the meaning of empowerment of Black people, then those who fit the description can keep their empowerment, because this activity is indeed destroying the traditional Black family structure from coast to coast!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

P.S.

"Please go to the Seeing Black discussion forum. They have a debate going on ghettopoly. I especially like the asshole who claims blacks "stole" the term ghetto from italians and jews" by Maverick

Upon your suggestion, consider it done!

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 10, 2003 at 10:32 PM.]
Well Kevin41,

"I am glad blacks did not think like that in the 60's....so much for black unity.....if they thought like that, only a few of us would be out of the colored section and at the front of the bus...but i'm kool and I no longer even care to talk to self-hating blacks who degrade their own and work against black collective interests....f-k em.....i've got mine and I need to concentrate on the willing of my race that I can reach back and help....f-k the rest, they are white people'e pets for life...so let them remain that way...if they are happy, so am I......." by Kevin41

"You have been asked this many times and always duck and dodge the question:

Is there anything you like about black people? Is there one thing you think blacks do well? Please answer the question using specifics.........." by Kevin41

Would it do any good if I did? So far, Black people worthy of praise do not meet up to your standards, while those unworthy of praise are worshiped!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
You did not answer the question Lofton?


Do you think there is anything that blacks can do exceptionally well? I know that answering the question may make you have a moment where you are not displaying black self-hatred and actually embracing black self-love instead. You know that and i know that and that is why you will never answer that question. It is kind of like psychologically profiling the source of someone's mental affliction.

But i'll ask again.
Do you think there is anything that blacks can do exceptionally well?

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