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Ferraro: 'They're attacking me because I'm white'
Posted: 05:27 PM ET

(CNN) – Geraldine Ferraro is defending her controversial comment that Barack Obama's campaign was successful because he was black, telling an interviewer Tuesday that she was being attacked because she was white.

"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up,"
she told the (Torrance, California) Daily Breeze. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

In another interview Tuesday, she compared Obama's situation to her own 24 years ago, when she was the first female candidate for vice president.

She told a FOX News interviewer: "I got up and the question was asked, ˜Why do you think Barack Obama is in the place he is today" as the party's delegate frontrunner.

"I said in large measure, because he is black. I said, Let me also say in 1984 – and if I have said it once, I have said it 20, 60, 100 times – in 1984, if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would never have been the nominee for vice president," she said.

In her first interview with Daily Breeze, published late last week, Ferraro said
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," Ferraro told the newspaper. She also said Hillary Clinton had been the victim of a "sexist media."

Obama himself has called the comments "patently absurd," and his chief strategist, David Axelrod, has called for Clinton to cut ties with the former New York congresswoman, who serves on her campaign's finance committee. Clinton has said that she does not agree with Ferraro's remarks.

UPDATE: Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Eleithee told CNN's Sasha Johnson that "Ms. Ferraro is speaking for herself. We have made clear that we do not agree with her remarks."


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Every time Mrs. Clinton has a chance to DENOUNCE and REJECT she (and her campaign) just REFUSES.



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Originally posted by HeruStar:
That's weaseling if I've ever seen it. Not only are you attempting to rewrite historical elections, you are blatantly ignoring the past elections, that would stammer/stifle Ferraro's logic.


~Her "logic" didn't have anything to do with George Bush, Al Gore, Alicia Keys, Bill Clinton, the Kennedy's, or Nixon. If I've failed to list all of the names that Honestbrother dropped, please forgive me. Roll Eyes I didn't attempt to "rewrite history". I don't even recall mentioning history. Refresh my memory, please. Did I even mention past elections? I don't recall that either. The logic in Ferraro's statement is about the concept of a First Black President overshadowing what it WOULDN'T otherwise be shadowing if he were not black...and a man. If he were a black woman she would be saying the same thing. It's the country's being swept up in that concept and forsaking all else that she's speaking against. It's all too obvious that she's speaking the truth because it's next-to-never mentioned that this contest also includes the possibility of a First Women President. I'm not speaking to all that other off-topic bs about the past cast of characters because they have nothing at all to do with what she said today. I'll just have to be a full of shit weasel. Roll Eyes~
The point, which you so gracefully dodge and dismiss, is that HISTORY has overwhelmingly shattered Geraldine's asinine logic. There is no truth in her statement, she knows this, I know this, the majority of the U.S. population knows this (feel free to connect with reality at anytime). Her tactic was nothing more than a divisive shock treatment in this campaign. To "shake things up".

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It's all too obvious that she's speaking the truth because it's next-to-never mentioned that this contest also includes the possibility of a First Women President.


This is what you use to justify her sentiment. Ha! You are warped. You are being divisive. It has been mentioned ad naseum that BOTH candidates are respective firsts. Noone in Obama's campaign, or the media have DWELLED on Obama's blackness. The Obama campaign and the media DESPERATELY try to run a colorblind ideological race. THE ONLY TIME RACE IS MENTIONED IS WHEN ONE OF THEM CLINTON'S, OR SOMEONE FROM THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN MENTIONS IT.

So you can try to dance reality all you want, but when we Tango, expect some REAL movement.
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Originally posted by OhBlackButterfly:



~That's what I'm not getting about your argument.

I'm not really making an argument. Or at least that wasn't my intent. My first response in this thread had to do with my surprise that someone who is frequently lifted up in feminist lore, would need to stoop as low as discounting someone based on their race. AFter all, she understands the stupidity of being discounted based on gender and asserts as much in her "sexist media" comment regarding Hillary. How is it that she can see sexism but have no apparent qualms about indulging in racial rhetoric?

You speak as if you don't realize that Hillary is trying to break through that SAME glass ceiling that Ferraro dealt with 24 years ago.

False. I do not speak that way. I've repeatedly stated in several different threads including this one, my opinion about people discounting her years of experience or characterizing her as being where she is only as a result of her association with bill clinton, despite the fact that she is not my candidate and i did not vote for her on supertuesday. Why couldn't Ferraro display the ability to appreciate the intersectionality of race, class and gender?

Even you are overshadowing Hillary's efforts to do the same, as if it doesn't measure up to Obama's effort to do it.

No, I'm questioning why a feminist icon, Ferraro, cannot also recognize the impact of race just as she recognizes the impact of gender and not make a white woman's gender into the victim of a black man's race? That has nothing to do with "overshadowing Hillary Clinton" whose right to run, length of experience, and legitimacy to run, I have defended more than once despite the fact that I did not vote for her. I am capable of acknowledging the legitimacy of her candidacy without supporting the politician herself.

They both seek to do it. She's identifying with the FEMINIST factor. I don't see it as being the white factor.

If they both seek to overcome traditional barriers to the highest seat in the land, why wasn't Ferraro able to acknowledge that race is a barrier for Obama as gender is a barrier for Clinton? Why did she couch them in terms of his race victimizing her gender? That is indeed the tone-deafness of white feminism. On this we agree

She said that the country is caught up in the concept of the First Black President, and paying no heed to the First Woman President concept, even when the female has been in the business longer and accomplished more, be that because of age, or ambition, or whatever. Hillary's resume is heavier.

Why would she use the term "caught up", as if Hillary might be the nominee if cooler heads were to prevail? AS if no thinking person could possibly choose a black candidate? It is a false assertion that the first woman aspect has been ignored. The point has been belabored since there was speculation in 04 about whether she would run. "Caught up" exists only in the mind of Geraldine Ferraro. It has also not been proven that hillary's "resume" is "heavier" than barack's.

Ferraro sees that being eclipsed by the concept of having a First Black president. Where in what she said do you see her dealing "strictly with the whiteness factor"?

Ferraro chooses to focus on Barack Obama's race, as she did with Jesse Jackson 24 years ago. She came strictly from a white female perspective when she dared to dismiss a brother based on racial considerations rather then expound on the legitimate reasons why Hillary might be a better candidate or even the legitimate reasons why Obama is not the best candidate. She came strictly from a white female perspective when she acknowledge sexist treatment of Hillary, but could not find it within herself to acknowledge racist treatment of Barack. She came strictly from a white woman's perspective when she couched her words in such a way as to signal her very deep irritation that, not just a man, but a BLACK man is currently besting hillary, who apparently is entitled to the presidency.
Ferraro leaves Clinton campaign post



WASHINGTON - Geraldine Ferraro stepped down Wednesday from an honorary post in Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign amid a controversy regarding her comments that Barack Obama wouldn't be succeeding in the presidential race if he weren't black.
Ferraro notified Clinton by letter Wednesday that she would no longer serve on Clinton's finance committee as "Honorary New York Leadership Council Chair."

Obama has called Ferraro's comments "ridiculous" and his campaign aides have called on Clinton to denounce the statement.

"I think they were wrong-headed," he said at a Chicago news conference. "The notion that it is a great advantage to me to be an African American named Barack Obama and pursue the presidency, I think, is not a view that has been commonly shared by the general public."

In a letter to Clinton, first reported by CNN, Ferraro says: "Dear Hillary, I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what's at stake in this campaign. The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you. I won't let that happen. Thank you for everything you've done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren. You have my deep admiration and respect, Gerry."

Campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said Ferraro left the post on her own initiative.

The back-and-forth between the two Democratic trailblazers "” Obama, seeking to be the nation's first black president, and Ferraro, who was the first woman on a major party presidential ticket in 1984 "” continued for a second day as they made appearances on network and cable morning news programs.

The controversy began when the national media picked up on comments Ferraro made in an interview last week with the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro said she stands by her assertion that Obama's success in the Democratic campaign is due "in part" to his race.

Obama, however, said that if someone in his campaign had suggested that Hillary Clinton "is where she is only because she is a woman" she would be offended.

Clinton has said she disagrees with Ferraro's remarks. In an interview with The Associated Press, she said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters "” on both sides, because we both have this experience "” say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

Ferraro, who was Walter Mondale's vice presidential running mate, said Wednesday that her remarks were not racist and had been taken out of context. She accused Obama's campaign of twisting her remarks to undercut his rival for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"I was talking about historic candidacies and what I started off by saying (was that) if you go back to 1984 and look at my historic candidacy, which I had just talked about all these things, in 1984 if my name was Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I would have never been chosen as a vice presidential candidate," Ferraro said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "It had nothing to do with my qualification."

Ferraro said she has a 40-year history of opposing discrimination of all kinds, including race, and that she was outraged at criticism of her remarks by David Axelrod, Obama's chief media strategist, because he knows her and her record.

"David Axelrod, his campaign manager, has chose to spin this as a racist comment because everytime anybody makes a comment about race who is white "” he did it with Bill Clinton, he was successful; he did it with (Pennsylvania governor and Clinton supporter) Ed Rendell, he was less successful; and he is certainly not going to be successful with me," Ferraro told CBS' "The Early Show." "He should have called me up ... He knows I'm not racist."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_el_pr/obama_ferraro
Check out her letter:
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Dear Hillary –

I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

I won't let that happen.

Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

You have my deep admiration and respect.

Gerry
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
Check out her letter:
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Dear Hillary –

I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

I won't let that happen.

Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

You have my deep admiration and respect.

Gerry


manipulative old battle ax, ain't she?

Frown Frown Frown Frown

Boo Hoo! Boo Hoo! that black monster is attacking us white women! How dare he say anything at all about america's paragon's of virtue and epitome of womanhood! nono nono nono
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(CNN) -- Former U.S. Rep. Geraldine Ferraro is stepping down from Sen. Hillary Clinton's finance committee after drawing fire for remarks about Sen. Barack Obama amidst a tough Democratic presidential campaign

CNN.com readers wrote in to express feelings of disgust, support and apathy about the comments. Opinions were across the spectrum; some readers wanted Ferraro to make amends immediately, and others agreed with her statements.

Late Tuesday, she told the Daily Breeze in Torrance, California, that she felt she was being attacked because she was white. During an interview Tuesday with Fox News, she said, "I got up and the question was asked, 'Why do you think Barack Obama is in the place he is today?' " She alluded to her own position 24 years ago as the first female candidate for vice president.

She said Wednesday that her comments about the impact of Barack Obama's race on the electorate were taken out of context and that she stands by her words. Below is a selection of the reader responses received, some of which have been edited for length and clarity.

David Hahn of New York
Ms. Ferraro's comments were offensive and ridiculous. It is wrong for the Clintons and their supporters to play racial politics. Frankly, if Mr. Obama were white, and particularly if he had a less ethnic name, he would likely have already secured the nomination based on his talent, intelligence, dedication and professionalism. Beyond that, I believe that today's voters look primarily for the best candidate regardless of race, gender, etc. Perhaps Ms. Ferraro was a good candidate when she ran, as opposed to getting some benefit merely from her status as a woman. If anything, the fact that she was white was more likely to help her. For these reasons, I completely disagree with Ms. Ferraro's comments.

David C. of Crofton, Maryland
As odd as it is to write, I actually agree with Geraldine Ferraro on something! She was dead-on saying that people are afraid to send any criticism Obama's way else they be called racist. What good is free speech if it only works one way? I do not totally believe that she is being attacked only because she is white, but obviously her race makes her a prime target for Obama's team and supporters to label her comments as racist.

There are past Obama incidents and relationships with lobbyists that would have surely been made big news were it not for his being black. I absolutely believe that neither gender nor color make any difference in the ability of someone to lead this country. However, we first need to get past this ridiculous notion that anyone critical of a black candidate is racist.

Victor Hugo of Toronto, Ontario
What would people have said if Obama had said something as stupid as Ferraro did, saying that it's because Hillary is a woman that she is getting attention? His whole candidacy would have been debunked! Why are we even letting such derogatory comments flying with this cynical sense of normality? Coming from Democrats on top of it?! Hillary & Co. just make me sick. They bring so much shame to the Democratic Party.

Sylvia Mays of Beaver, West Virginia
Whether you believe in her statement or disapprove, Ferraro has the right to say what she feels. That is why we live in this country. We have freedom of speech. That is why we have a war going on, so that we can give a country their freedom. I think the media have forgotten why they have the right to print what their views or beliefs are. Do you want to have restrictions placed on you? People need to think before they judge. It is a two-way street.

Mary K. of Chicago, Illinois
You could say she was just voicing her opinion, which she has the right to do in this country. But I must have missed something, I don't recall reading anywhere that she was being attacked for her views. I believe people were responding to her views, which they have a right in this country to do as well. Maybe she wouldn't have been on the ticket back then if her name was Gerald, but I would like to think we've advanced at least a little since then. Has Hillary been successful over the years just because she's a woman? Doubtful. Why can't Ms. Ferraro give Sen. Obama the same consideration?

Leann Chan of New Hyde Park, New York
I do not think Ferraro should have to apologize for her statements. She might be wrong but definitely had a point.

Susan Baldwin of San Francisco, California
As a 59-year-old woman who felt such pride when Mondale selected her as a running mate, I am disgusted by what Geraldine Ferraro has become: a shrill, uncompromising, bitter-sounding woman. Should she apologize? Why? It's gone so far now that not only would it be disingenuous, it would just make this whole unfortunate situation make another news cycle. From what started as a history-making race, with such promising opportunities for change, has become a muckraking spectacle that is playing to audiences around the world. Shame on all the Democrats and the media for letting this happen.

Shavonne Summerville of South Carolina
She said what she said because that is how she truly feels. To be called on to apologize for her opinion is ridiculous. While I believe her comments to be ignorant and uneducated, I respect her right to speak freely about anything she feels the need to speak about. At this point an apology from her would be meaningless; if a person is truly sorry for his or her actions and/or words, he or she does not need to be prompted by the media to apologize.

Lawrence Hartung of Elysian, Minnesota
I think her comments are appropriate; why shouldn't she say what's on her mind and how she feels about it? So what if it offends someone? Apologize for what? Get over it.

Sam E. of Los Angeles, California
No. She has a valid point, and quite frankly, I think the media should quit making a big deal out of this and move on. I'm black, and I get flak from my black friends when I speak in favor of Clinton, not necessarily criticize Obama. Can you imagine what they'd do to me if I did criticize Obama? Who are we to blame for this "advantage" he has? None other than our society, which has for centuries oppressed minorities. I say we should suck it up and sleep in the bed that we made.

Lare Mcafee of Spring, Texas
It is so sad when others, including recently Ms. Ferraro, can not accept the accomplishments of someone who has defied odds. They call it lucky? I guess Sen. Obama's election by his peers to head the Harvard Law Review, his election four times by the people of Illinois and his lead in the current race are "lucky." In this thinking, I guess he has had a lucky life. These accomplishments were not due to race; they were due to skill. This is a double standard dealt by the competition. Would Sen. Clinton be a senator from New York or running for president if she were not married to an ex-president?

Mary Murray of North Canton, Ohio
Ferraro is just verbalizing what many others are thinking, although she needs to learn not to say everything on her mind. Barack Obama has gotten very positive media coverage that has helped him amass the votes/delegates that he has received. Were he a 46-year-old white male senator with little experience and no real plans for the future except unspecified "change," he would have been virtually ignored.

Michael Rhule of Mont Alto, Pennsylvania
Although I may agree that different societal groups will have a tendency to migrate toward like people, I do not agree with the assessment that the main reason for Obama's success is the color of his skin. To take all of a person's accomplishments and reduce their meaning to nothing more than the color of their skin is truly racist. Then, when you are called out for your statement, to turn around and play the race card yourself is truly preposterous. As a Democrat, I am ashamed.

Bryan Hill of St. Louis, Missouri
I'm black, and I really don't care. I think that Obama should bring back Samantha Power, let Hillary keep Geraldine and get on with this campaign. Apologizing changes nothing. That's what she believes. Let her believe it. If people choose to think that way, then so be it, but my heart tells me that most people think she's wrong.

Christopher Nichols of Palo Alto, California
Geraldine was absolutely right in what she said. Her comments were taken out of context, and they are not racist at all. She is simply stating the facts. If Obama were white, he wouldn't stand a chance in this election. People recognize him as a "different" candidate, and not just because he's about his crazy rhetoric of hope and change. It's because he is different from the usual white male presidential candidates who we've seen grace the stage time and time again.

In all fairness to Obama, Hillary may not have the same appeal if she weren't a woman. They both need to accept and embrace that they aren't the average presidential candidates. Hillary graciously accepts being a woman running for office. Whenever someone approaches Obama about it, he accuses them of being a racist. Ferraro speaks the brutal truth and absolutely should NOT apologize for her remarks. There was nothing inflammatory in what she said, and she is not a racist.

Paula Blackwell of Baltimore, Maryland
I am tired of all the condescending and patronizing attitudes that some white people have toward Obama and others of color who do not meet their stereotypical image of who an African American is and what he is capable of achieving. Obama is recognized as a great leader not because he is black but because his achievements, talents, skills, character, integrity and vision set him apart from all other candidates regardless of race or gender.

Bryan Dees of Burgaw, North Carolina
Why should Mrs. Ferraro apologize for saying the truth? The reason Mr. Obama is ahead of Mrs. Clinton in delegates is because he is black and is trying to sound like MLK. It has nothing to do with his positions on the issues; it has to do with emotionalism and his race. It is a sad situation.

Brian Jones of Seal Beach, California
Yes, she should apologize; there is no reason for statements like this. To simplify one person making it this far all do to race is beyond ignorance. I am amazed that views like this are still being made in 21st-century America.

Thomas Bagby of Birmingham, Alabama
Totally true. Too many people want to be on the historical bandwagon. Just to say they voted for Obama, and then they can say they voted for the first black nominee for president. I just hope they become fully informed before the November elec
Uh-oh...now she's threatening to cut of one of Obama's major sources of funding for the general election...how will Obama ever manage to finance his campaign without her help???
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But, she added, referring to Axelrod, "He shouldn't really antagonize people like me." If Obama is nominated, Axelrod "is going to come to me and ask me to raise money for Barack Obama, and I will do it for him, too, if he stops doing this kind of horrendous attack."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-ferraro13mar13,1,4732563.story
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

Speaking of connections ... for all of her impressive lifetime experiences ... I doubt we'd be talking about Hillary Clinton as possibly the next president ... if she were not married to Bill ...


allright HB, now it's your turn Big Grin I know we've been here before, but you don't think she'd be an ivy league educated lawyer senator poised for a presidential run had she not met Bill, who, BTW, she lent her "centrist" stance to?


Which of the two Democrats in the running isn't a centrist or tries to pass themself off as one? Razz
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

Speaking of connections ... for all of her impressive lifetime experiences ... I doubt we'd be talking about Hillary Clinton as possibly the next president ... if she were not married to Bill ...


allright HB, now it's your turn Big Grin I know we've been here before, but you don't think she'd be an ivy league educated lawyer senator poised for a presidential run had she not met Bill, who, BTW, she lent her "centrist" stance to?


Which of the two Democrats in the running isn't a centrist or tries to pass themself off as one? Razz


The point being that Bill took the party to the right with centrism...
Sweetwuzzy, what happened when Al Sharpton ran. Al has always been Black. How come the magic of Blackness didn't work for him?


Anyway... thanks for proving what I always thought about you. lol


And what of the White presidential candidates that had large percentages of Black voters.

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1988 --- Michael Dukakis --- 89 percent

1992 --- Bill Clinton --- 82 percent

1996 --- Bill Clinton --- 84 percent

2000 --- Al Gore --- 91 percent

2004 --- John Kerry --- 89 percent


Did they benefit from Black Skin Privilege too (something Carol Moseley-Braun and Al Sharpton apparently didn't have)?

Talk to me.

And, seriously, what does Obama's black support have to do with what Ferraro said? How does it make her statements true or not racist?

How exactly are the two connected?


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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
Her comments weren't racist.

If Obama wasn't black, the black vote would be more evenly distributed between Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.

Obama is pulling 60-90% of the black votes in several states...

And many people(non-black and black) are excited about the idea of having a black president(albeit biracial).



Wuzzy, how can you just point blank pronounce that the battle ax ain't racist? What accounts for her compulsive need to put black men in their place when they look like they have a chance of grasping some power?

Wuzzy, if i recall correctly, you didn't think Imus' statements about the rutgers women were a big deal either...

Wuz, u got a pattern here...
It's amazing to me how disingenuous many black Obama supporters are in regards the influence of Obama race on their support. No one is arguing that ONLY color is influencing the decision of blacks, but color has a hell of a lot to do with it. One would have to believe then that Jackie Robinson was so popular with blacks not because he was the first Negro in major league baseball but rather ONLY because of his talents.

People are playing the either or false dichotomy. Either black support for Obama is ONLY the result of his being black or it's ONLY the result of his qualification and personality. That is not the assertion. No one is asserting, that I have seen, that black support of Obama is ONLY because he is black. It's a combination of factors with race being significant among them. Also significant is the fact that the person is a Democrat, the qualifications of the candidate AND how well he is supported by whites. The latter is not often discussed and is what separates the support Obama received from blacks vs. other blacks who have run.

The truth of the matter is that most blacks do not want to waste a vote. Thus, if a black candidate is not seen as viable among white voters, many blacks will not waste a vote on that candidate. However, if it is demonstrated that a healthy percentage of whites will support a black democratic candidate, then that increase black support and visa versa.
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Originally posted by Noah The Clinton P sniffing African:


It's amazing to me how disingenuous many black Obama supporters are in regards the influence of Obama race on their support.

What's really unbelievable is the self-hatred of Hillary Clinton's stepNfetchit negroes...

whatza matta boss lady? WE hurt?


No one is arguing that ONLY color is influencing the decision of blacks, but color has a hell of a lot to do with it.

If you had developed any critical reading skills from doing those worksheets in the third grade you would see that Ferraro is not specifically talking about what is influencing the decision of blacks... She does not give a dayum about black votes...she is talking about white people being caught up in his color, nutjob..

She is saying the ENTIRE COUNTRY is "caught up" in his color.

Note to the ADHD kids who didnt get their ritalin this morning: the entire country includes whites, hispanics, asians, and blacks...
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

No one is asserting, that I have seen, that black support of Obama is ONLY because he is black. It's a combination of factors with race being significant among them.



Ferraro is indeed saying that and has said absolutely nothing about a made up StepNFetchit negro's twisted assumptions of "a combination of factors with race being significant among them"

Please...list Obama's combination of factors which was acknowledged by the Italian battle ax, aka Geraldine Ferraro...

busted a$$ negro
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

It's amazing to me how disingenuous many black Obama supporters are in regards the influence of Obama race on their support. No one is arguing that ONLY color is influencing the decision of blacks, but color has a hell of a lot to do with it. One would have to believe then that Jackie Robinson was so popular with blacks not because he was the first Negro in major league baseball but rather ONLY because of his talents.


I don't know anything about baseball, but in your opinion, would Jackie Robinson have made it to the big leagues if he had been white?
Geraldine Ferraro is 'bigot sophisticate'.

She uses slick phrases to 'sink the knife' into the ambitions of African Americans...,

and fire up the animus of European Americans.

She is a bigot...by any description.

Senator Hillary Clinton knows it and likes it.

That why she selected her.

She fired her, because she had no choice.

Senator Obama had just fired a campaign volunteer who had a sudden attack of 'diarreha of the brain'.

Sentor Clinton could do no less.

HOTEP

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

No one is asserting, that I have seen, that black support of Obama is ONLY because he is black. It's a combination of factors with race being significant among them.



Ferraro is indeed saying that and has said absolutely nothing about a made up StepNFetchit negro's twisted assumptions of "a combination of factors with race being significant among them"

Please...list Obama's combination of factors which was acknowledged by the Italian battle ax, aka Geraldine Ferraro...

busted a$$ negro


Look, my beautiful and lovely black Negro sister, I have not heard or read anyone qualify that the ONLY reason obama is doing well is because he is black. Even before I was reminded that Ferraro existed, I was of the opinion, and voiced it on this forum, that Obama was benefitting from being blacks and that if he were white, qualifications the same, he would not be doing as well.

I think that you best start looking at a contingency plan of what you are going to do if Obama is not president and you have to resign yourself to white rule.....yet again. I can send you a fully loaded heater....if you need it. A shot to the temple or in your mouth will make it quick and painless.
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I can send you a fully loaded heater....if you need it. A shot to the temple or in your mouth will make it quick and painless.


Noah,

You are disgusting.


I am just a reflection of my forum environment. Its called socialization and acculturation via emulation. She gwon have to start step N fetchin when da white massa win again....so why suffer through it.

In truth...I only have the best wishes for NegroSpiritual. We just disagree.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I can send you a fully loaded heater....if you need it. A shot to the temple or in your mouth will make it quick and painless.


Noah,

You are disgusting.


I am just a reflection of my forum environment. Its called socialization and acculturation via emulation. She gwon have to start step N fetchin when da white massa win again....so why suffer through it.

In truth...I only have the best wishes for NegroSpiritual. We just disagree.


Nobody but you is responsible for the words that you type, Noah.

Don't try to pass that responsibility off onto others.

And if, upon reflection, you feel that your words were ill considered, you can still edit them.
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
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Originally posted by ricardomath:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I can send you a fully loaded heater....if you need it. A shot to the temple or in your mouth will make it quick and painless.


Noah,

You are disgusting.


I am just a reflection of my forum environment. Its called socialization and acculturation via emulation. She gwon have to start step N fetchin when da white massa win again....so why suffer through it.

In truth...I only have the best wishes for NegroSpiritual. We just disagree.


Nobody but you is responsible for the words that you type, Noah.

Don't try to pass that responsibility off onto others.

And if, upon reflection, you feel that your words were ill considered, you can still edit them.


Maybe you don't understand black humor....I was being facetious and I am not editing anything. If you think it is disgusting....stop reading it.
Noah the so called African said:

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"Look, my beautiful and lovely black Negro sister, I have not heard or read anyone qualify that the ONLY reason obama is doing well is because he is black. Even before I was reminded that Ferraro existed, I was of the opinion, and voiced it on this forum, that Obama was benefitting from being blacks and that if he were white, qualifications the same, he would not be doing as well.

I think that you best start looking at a contingency plan of what you are going to do if Obama is not president and you have to resign yourself to white rule.....yet again.

I can send you a fully loaded heater....if you need it. A shot to the temple or in your mouth will make it quick and painless.
"



Noah, you wouldn't be suggesting gun violence toward a member of the "BLACK COLLECTIVE" you pretend to be so concerned about, now would you?

Noah, how sick is it that you can passionately defend the white women Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro, but a BLACK WOMAN, you would suggest a violent death from loaded weapons, no less...

You're right... You ain't sh1t!


you can take the negro out of the alley, but you can't take the alley out of the negro...
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Noah the so called African said:

"Look, my beautiful and lovely black Negro sister, I have not heard or read anyone qualify that the ONLY reason obama is doing well is because he is black. Even before I was reminded that Ferraro existed, I was of the opinion, and voiced it on this forum, that Obama was benefitting from being blacks and that if he were white, qualifications the same, he would not be doing as well.

I think that you best start looking at a contingency plan of what you are going to do if Obama is not president and you have to resign yourself to white rule.....yet again. I can send you a fully loaded heater....if you need it. A shot to the temple or in your mouth will make it quick and painless."



Noah, you wouldn't be suggesting gun violence toward a member of the "BLACK COLLECTIVE" you're so concerned about, now would you?

Noah, you passionately plead the case for a white woman politician in the form of Hillary Clinton but you would direct a violent death from loaded weapons, no less for a black woman?

You're right... You ain't sh1t!


you can take the negro out of the alley, but you can't take the alley out of the negro...you can take the negro out of the alley, but you can't take the alley out of the negro...


First, like Obama, you are a black individual and not the "collective". Secondly.....passionately pleading the case....LOL 20. You are a lot funnier that I could ever be. If I passionately believed in any candidate I would be a voter.....like you. One persons observation is another person's passion.
HILLARY SENDS FERRARO AFTER THE RACE CARD

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published on DickMorris.com on March 14, 2008.

Geraldine Ferraro, a pioneer and trailblazer in American history, has done more to ruin a sterling reputation in the past few days than anybody but Eliot Spitzer. By claiming, I think falsely, that Obama would not be where he is if he were white or a woman, I think she totally overlooks the impact of his charisma, eloquence, demeanor, message, use of the Internet, focus on caucus states, and his refusal to take special interest money as factors in his sudden rise. She betrays a stunning inability to look more than skin deep for reasons for his success.

But this begs the real question: Ferraro is no racist. Her entire career speaks to the contrary. So why is she now so unable to peer into the deeper reasons for Obama's success and stopping at skin level?

The blunt fact is that Geraldine Ferraro would not make a statement like this one without at least the tacit knowledge and acquiescence of the Clintons and their campaign. Ferraro is an old pro and would know enough not to shoot off her mouth without making it part of a carefully conceived strategy to discredit Obama based on race.

As such, her comments need to be seen as a piece with the attacks on Obama's minister and his endorsement by Farrakhan. With Hillary now almost totally dependent on older voters, the race card may be the only way to produce the kinds of margins she needs in the future primaries to offset Obama's large and widening lead among elected delegates.

The fact is that Obama cannot and should not be held accountable for the ranting and raving of his minister, unless he fails to disavow these remarks. He has done all he needs to do in distancing himself from the likes of Farrakhan. And is success is due to his imaginative use of the political process to achieve what he has earned.

Obama out-organized Hillary by focusing on the small caucus states in February, by which time Hillary confidently expected the race to be over.

Obama out-messaged Hillary by refusing special interest PAC or lobbyist money, giving him a way to paint Hillary as the candidate of the Washington establishment.

Obama out-fund raised Hillary by understanding the potential of the Internet to raise quick and clean money and to permit reloading quickly.

Obama out-positioned Hillary by using her claim to experience (faux as it was) to paint her as just another cycle in the oscillation between Bushes and Clintons which has dominated our politics for two decades now.

Obama out-spoke Hillary by showing and eloquence and elegance that she cannot hope to match.

Obama out-targeted Hillary by focusing on young voters and grasping the amazing insight that in an election with a black and a woman, that age would be the decisive variable.

And now Hillary is trying, through her surrogate Ferraro, to make it appear that all Obama had to do was show up, show some skin and win.

Even for the Clintons, this is a new low.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

PLEASE FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND TELL THEM THEY CAN GET THESE COLUMNS E-MAILED TO THEM FOR FREE BY SUBSCRIBING AT DICKMORRIS.COM!
Noah, you don't vote, this is not the problem.
But you go on a tirade and demand 'loyality' to the Clintons for whatever reason, and you blame those who don't vote for the Clinton-Clan, but for Obama.

Those who are silent, side with the majority, in this case, you as a non-voter side with Obama supporters, regardless what you might think about them.
You are 'disloyal' to the Clintons by not voting for them.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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I wonder what makes you so confident in his analysis then reject his claim that she is no racist

Where are the statements of "confidence in his analysis", Noah?


Damn, son... Your weakness is on-going, the perpetual/non-stop.


Since you are not her....let her answer whether or not she is confident in his analysis about the Clintons role in this. She can tell me if my gleaning of her confidence is correct or not.....not you.
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Originally posted by listener:
Noah, you don't vote, this is not the problem.
But you go on a tirade and demand 'loyality' to the Clintons for whatever reason, and you blame those who don't vote for the Clinton-Clan, but for Obama.

Those who are silent, side with the majority, in this case, you as a non-voter side with Obama supporters, regardless what you might think about them.
You are 'disloyal' to the Clintons by not voting for them.


I am not demanding or commanding anything outside my sphere of influence....which is ME and what I do. I am making observations and calculations based upon those observations. My not voting does not invalidate any observation I make any more than a person who votes for humpty dumpty has some sort of enlightend wisdom from the act.
Listen weak-ass-dude, aka Noah... This question doesn't require a response from Negrospiritual:


Where are the statements of "confidence in his analysis", Noah?


The question only ask for you to have some backbone which you apparently don't have. You make a claim, YOU need to support it. OBFUSCATING doesn't do that. So, it's obvious you had nothing to base your "confidence in his analysis" statement on so let's officially put that NOAH THE TRUTH thing to rest.


Look at your stupid ass... Reduced to the spineless silliness that won CON-Feed, etc. their infamy.


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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
quote:
Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
Her comments weren't racist.

If Obama wasn't black, the black vote would be more evenly distributed between Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.

Obama is pulling 60-90% of the black votes in several states...

And many people(non-black and black) are excited about the idea of having a black president(albeit biracial).



Wuzzy, how can you just point blank pronounce that the battle ax ain't racist? What accounts for her compulsive need to put black men in their place when they look like they have a chance of grasping some power?

Wuzzy, if i recall correctly, you didn't think Imus' statements about the rutgers women were a big deal either...

Wuz, u got a pattern here...


~You have one, too, Negrospiritual. Why not simply refute what Sweetwuzzy posted? She said that THE REMARK was not racist. She made no "point blank prenouncement" about Ferraro HERSELF being racist. And you responded to her post without touching any of the points that she made, though (in)effectively painting her "wrong" about her points. That's an art.~

From SW: If Obama wasn't black, the black vote would be more evenly distributed between Clinton, Obama, and Edwards.

~Do you deny that, Negrospiritual?~


From SW: Obama is pulling 60-90% of the black votes in several states...

~Do you deny that, Negrospiritual?~

From SW: And many people(non-black and black) are excited about the idea of having a black president(albeit biracial).[/QUOTE]

~Do you deny that, Negrospiritual?~

munch
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Listen weak-ass-dude, aka Noah... This question doesn't require a response from Negrospiritual:


Where are the statements of "confidence in his analysis", Noah?


The question only ask for you to have some backbone which you apparently don't have. You make a claim, YOU need to support it. OBFUSCATING doesn't do that. So, it's obvious you had nothing to base your "confidence in his analysis" statement on so let's officially put that NOAH THE TRUTH thing to rest.


Look at your stupid ass... Reduced to the spineless silliness that won CON-Feed, etc. their infamy.


.


Yeah...I keep forgetting about your female intuition that allows you to be the surrogate for Negro sister and speak to the issue of her confidence....

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